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Robert Morein

May 29th 05, 12:14 AM

"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective
> >>> bent
> >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
not
> >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> >>>
> >>> tubeguy
> >>> www.tubeguy.org
> >>>
> >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>
> Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
there
> and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
to
> see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
>
> Joe Plaziak
> tubeguy.org
>
Joe,
Apparently, Arny can present a different persona in person as opposed to
over usenet. On this group, Arny thinks a whole bunch of people want to
"destroy him":

http://groups-beta.google.com/groups?as_q=&num=10&scoring=r&hl=en&as_epq=destroy+me&as_oq=&as_eq=&as_ugroup=&as_usubject=&as_uauthors=Arny+Krueger&lr=&as_drrb=q&as_qdr=&as_mind=1&as_minm=1&as_miny=1981&as_maxd=27&as_maxm=5&as_maxy=2005&safe=off

I'm on the list myself, though it has not yet been archived. This is
tragic; a man following the path of pseudo-science arrives at the door of
mental illness.

You may not realize it, but Arny is no friend of your fondness for tubes.
Apparently, in person, he doesn't try to hurt people. On this newsgroup, he
does.
I think, Joe, that if Arny behaved on this newsgroup the way he did at lunch
with you, no one would have a problem with him. The discord is not about his
beliefs, it's about how he acts, here, with us.

tubeguy

May 29th 05, 04:39 PM

"Annie Kreogor" > wrote in message
...
> "tubeguy" wrote :
>
>>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him.
>
> Meaningless preferences from a sel confessed "believer.
>
> How about being objective for one day in your life, Mr tubevinylbigot?
>
>>What your collective bent about this guy is I do not understand.
>
> Thanks for demonstrating a limited capacity to make reliable
> judgements, on your part, tubeguy. ;-)
>
>>Arnie is a good guy and does not
>>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>
> More Skin oils from the alikely suspect. Thanks for demonstrating that
> you have the brain of a 3rd year old girl.
>
> ROF! ;,-)

Wow- just wow.

I came to your house a few years ago.

I did a job in Michigan and went to your place during the day. Dude. Chill.
Jeez.

tubeguy.org

[email protected]

May 29th 05, 06:30 PM

tubeguy wrote:
> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> m...
> >
> > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> >> . ..
> >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective
> >>> bent
> >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
> >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> >>>
> >>> tubeguy
> >>> www.tubeguy.org
> >>>
> >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>
> Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been there
> and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love to
> see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.

Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.

Scott Wheeler

Tim Martin

May 29th 05, 06:37 PM

"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective bent
> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>
> tubeguy
> www.tubeguy.org

Well, people who have been telling each other for years how marvellous the
sound is when they are wearing their expensive designer Stereo Suits don't
like it when someone points out they've got no clothes on.

Tim

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Robert Morein

May 29th 05, 09:47 PM

"Tim Martin" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> . ..
> > I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective
bent
> > about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
> > deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> >
> > tubeguy
> > www.tubeguy.org
>
> Well, people who have been telling each other for years how marvellous the
> sound is when they are wearing their expensive designer Stereo Suits don't
> like it when someone points out they've got no clothes on.
>
Very true. But if Arny were an exterminator, he would demolish a house to
save it from termites.

[email protected]

May 30th 05, 06:25 PM

In article >,
"tubeguy" > writes:
>
> "Annie Kreogor" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "tubeguy" wrote :
>>
>>>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him.
>>
>> Meaningless preferences from a sel confessed "believer.
>>
>> How about being objective for one day in your life, Mr tubevinylbigot?
>>
>>>What your collective bent about this guy is I do not understand.
>>
>> Thanks for demonstrating a limited capacity to make reliable
>> judgements, on your part, tubeguy. ;-)
>>
>>>Arnie is a good guy and does not
>>>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>>
>> More Skin oils from the alikely suspect. Thanks for demonstrating that
>> you have the brain of a 3rd year old girl.
>>
>> ROF! ;,-)
>
> Wow- just wow.
>
>
> I came to your house a few years ago.
>
> I did a job in Michigan and went to your place during the day. Dude. Chill.
> Jeez.

That wasn't Arnie.

Lionel

May 30th 05, 11:38 PM

In >, Gary Rosen wrote :

>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>>
>>
>> tubeguy wrote:
>> > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> > m...
>> > >
>> > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
>> > > ...
>> > >>
>> > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> > >> . ..
>> > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> collective
>> > >>> bent
>> > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> not
>> > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>> > >>>
>> > >>> tubeguy
>> > >>> www.tubeguy.org
>> > >>>
>> > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>> >
>> > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> there
>> > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would
>> > love
> to
>> > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
>>
>>
>>
>> Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
>> Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
>
> Is it as high as Middius'?

:-D

Gary Rosen

May 30th 05, 11:39 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
>
> tubeguy wrote:
> > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > m...
> > >
> > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > >>
> > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > >> . ..
> > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
collective
> > >>> bent
> > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
not
> > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > >>>
> > >>> tubeguy
> > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > >>>
> > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> >
> > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
there
> > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
to
> > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
>
>
>
> Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.

Is it as high as Middius'?

- Gary Rosen

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 12:04 AM

Gary Rosen wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> >
> > tubeguy wrote:
> > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > m...
> > > >
> > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > >>
> > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > >> . ..
> > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> collective
> > > >>> bent
> > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> not
> > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> tubeguy
> > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > > >>>
> > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> > >
> > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> there
> > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
> to
> > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> >
> >
> >
> > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
>
> Is it as high as Middius'?

Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
audio?

Scott Wheeler

George M. Middius

May 31st 05, 12:23 AM

Scott said:

> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> audio?

Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone names.

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 02:03 AM

George M. Middius wrote:
> Scott said:
>
> > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> > audio?
>
> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone names.

That is one interpretation of his conflicting stories. I think he made
that whole thing up so I think he is just full of **** and disgusting
on a very base level. I don't believe he is an actual pedophile.
Frankly I find that interpretation of those events, events Arny
created, to be very wrong. Still, It's my opinion that he is the source
of all the **** that surrounds him on RAO. And like any monkey, he is a
flinger.

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 03:42 AM

wrote:
> Gary Rosen wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ups.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > tubeguy wrote:
> > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > m...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > >>
> > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > >> . ..
> > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> > collective
> > > > >>> bent
> > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> > not
> > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> tubeguy
> > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > > > >>>
> > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> > > >
> > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> > there
> > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
> > to
> > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
> >
> > Is it as high as Middius'?
>
>
> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> audio?
>
>
>
Yes.

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:45 AM

wrote:
> wrote:
> > Gary Rosen wrote:
> > > > wrote in message
> > > ups.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > tubeguy wrote:
> > > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > m...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > >> . ..
> > > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> > > collective
> > > > > >>> bent
> > > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> > > not
> > > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >>> tubeguy
> > > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > > > > >>>
> > > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> > > > >
> > > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> > > there
> > > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
> > > to
> > > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> > > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
> > >
> > > Is it as high as Middius'?
> >
> >
> > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> > audio?
> >
> >
> >
> Yes.

When?

Scott Wheeler

Lionel

May 31st 05, 07:49 AM

George "Betty Boop" Middius :

>
>
> Scott said:
>
>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
>> audio?
>
> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone
> names.

George it was so simple to make the to NY and to have him emprisoned...
Who is the coward George ? ;-)

Lionel

May 31st 05, 08:39 AM

In . com>,
wrote :

>
>
> wrote:
>> wrote:
>> > Gary Rosen wrote:
>> > > > wrote in message
>> > > ups.com...
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > tubeguy wrote:
>> > > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> > > > > m...
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in
>> > > > > > message ...
>> > > > > >>
>> > > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> > > > > >> . ..
>> > > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
>> > > collective
>> > > > > >>> bent
>> > > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy
>> > > > > >>> and does
>> > > not
>> > > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >>> tubeguy
>> > > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
>> > > > > >>>
>> > > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has
>> > > > > been
>> > > there
>> > > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I
>> > > > > would love
>> > > to
>> > > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
>> > > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
>> > >
>> > > Is it as high as Middius'?
>> >
>> >
>> > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
>> > audio?
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> Yes.
>
>
>
> When?

About 10 posts before this one. ;-)

Lionel

May 31st 05, 10:55 AM

Lionel a écrit :
> George "Betty Boop" Middius :
>
>
>>
>>Scott said:
>>
>>
>>>Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
>>>audio?
>>
>>Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone
>>names.
>
>
> George it was so simple to make the *trip* to NY and to have him emprisoned...
> Who is the coward George ? ;-)

Do you know that non-denunciation of a crime is considered
as complicity ?
Don't tell us you are complice, eh George ?

George M. Middius

May 31st 05, 11:25 AM

Scott said:

> > > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> > > audio?

> > Yes.

> When?

I heard the word "pedophile" on a CD once, and I told somebody about the CD.

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 11:54 AM

wrote:

> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
disagreement on
> audio?

Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.

Wake up, you pathetic sucker!

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 12:40 PM

wrote:
> wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > Gary Rosen wrote:
> > > > > wrote in message
> > > > ups.com...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > tubeguy wrote:
> > > > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > > m...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > > >> . ..
> > > > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> > > > collective
> > > > > > >>> bent
> > > > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> > > > not
> > > > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> tubeguy
> > > > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> > > > there
> > > > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
> > > > to
> > > > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> > > > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
> > > >
> > > > Is it as high as Middius'?
> > >
> > >
> > > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> > > audio?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Yes.
>
>
>
> When?
>
>
>
One of MANY:
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
>
>

Are you really this oblivious!?!
>
>
A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to read and believe
in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead to diminished brain
activity?

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 12:55 PM

wrote:

> wrote:

>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
disagreement on
>>>> audio?

>>> Yes.

>> When?

> One of MANY:

> http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh

> Are you really this oblivious!?!

No, Scott is that stupid. Remember that Middius might be the
one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
against me in California Superior Court.

> A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
read and
> believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
to
> diminished brain activity?

It's syndrome. One leads to the other.

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 01:11 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement on
> >>>> audio?
>
> >>> Yes.
>
> >> When?
>
> > One of MANY:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
>
> > Are you really this oblivious!?!
>
> No, Scott is that stupid. Remember that Middius might be the
> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
> against me in California Superior Court.
>
> > A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
> read and
> > believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
> to
> > diminished brain activity?
>
> It's syndrome. One leads to the other.
>
>
But which came first: the $tereophile subscription or the "duh"?

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 01:52 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
disagreement
>>>>>> on audio?
>>
>>>>> Yes.
>>
>>>> When?
>>
>>> One of MANY:
>>
>>> http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
>>
>>> Are you really this oblivious!?!
>>
>> No, Scott is that stupid. Remember that Middius might be
the
>> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
>> against me in California Superior Court.
>>
>>> A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
>> read and
>>> believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
>> to
>>> diminished brain activity?
>>
>> It's syndrome. One leads to the other.
>>
>>
> But which came first: the $tereophile subscription or the
"duh"?

Given that I was once a charter subscriber to Stereophile...
;-)

However, it was a different magazine and when I subscribed,
it had not published any issues, yet.

The JGH Strerephile was a very different magazine. It was in
the 1960s and in those days a lot of audio components, did
in fact sound different from each other.

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 02:06 PM

tubeguy wrote:

> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him.

While a number of years ago, that was a nice day.

>What your collective
> bent about this guy is I do not understand.

It's simple. They turned audio into a cat fight and then I
handed them their precious parts on a platter.

>Arnie is a good guy and
> does not deserve the bashing any group has given him.

It's pretty much restricted to this group, which has clearly
ruined itself in its attempt to ruin me.

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 02:17 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement
> >>>>>> on audio?
> >>
> >>>>> Yes.
> >>
> >>>> When?
> >>
> >>> One of MANY:
> >>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
> >>
> >>> Are you really this oblivious!?!
> >>
> >> No, Scott is that stupid. Remember that Middius might be
> the
> >> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
> >> against me in California Superior Court.
> >>
> >>> A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
> >> read and
> >>> believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
> >> to
> >>> diminished brain activity?
> >>
> >> It's syndrome. One leads to the other.
> >>
> >>
> > But which came first: the $tereophile subscription or the
> "duh"?
>
> Given that I was once a charter subscriber to Stereophile...
> ;-)
>
> However, it was a different magazine and when I subscribed,
> it had not published any issues, yet.
>
> The JGH Strerephile was a very different magazine. It was in
> the 1960s and in those days a lot of audio components, did
> in fact sound different from each other.
>
>
Agreed, the "old" SP was a completely different magazine, and a good
one. Other than the name, that magazine no longer exists. It's kind of
like picking up a copy of the NY Times, only to find that the staff of
the National Enquirer had taken control. :-(
>
>
IMO, it is a travesty that Atkinson claims to be continuing the
subjective tradition of the original, Holt directed SP. Nothing could
be further from the truth (except, of course, a "review" in the current
rag. ;->).

George Middius

May 31st 05, 03:52 PM

PervBorg demands his daily dose of humiliation and punishment.

>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
>> audio?

>Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.

You seem cranky today, Arnii. May I recommend trying some hot sauce on your
breakfast turds? That make perk you up a bit. Also, you might try not perusing
your kiddie porn collection for a whole day. Especially on Sunday, the day you
typically lie about going to church. ;-)

George Middius

May 31st 05, 03:58 PM

torrie****s demonstrates the crack intellect that propelled him to the forefront
of scientific research, rhetorical excellence, and universal respect as an
instructor of the less talented:

>> > > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
>> > > disagreement on audio?

>One of MANY:

[snipped reference to Krooger's documented pedophilia]

Little ****, you didn't read the question correctly. Let me recapitulate while
you attempt to regain your composure:

"... over a disagreement on audio?"

Can you read those words, Little ****, or do you need to throw up?

George Middius

May 31st 05, 04:03 PM

The Big **** picks up Little ****'s sagging baton.

>Remember that Middius might be the
>one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
>against me in California Superior Court.

The sad thing is that you have lied to yourself so many times about the lawsuit
that you now believe your own Kroopaganda. Try this true-or-false quiz:

1. Scott Wheeler filed a defamation lawsuit against you in California.
__ T __ F

2. Scott Wheeler stated that filing the lawsuit was not his own idea but someone
else's.
__ T __ F

3. The case was decided in the plaintiff's favor by the judge.
__ T __ F

4. The judgment expired because Mister Wheeler did not provide required
documents to the court.
__ T __ F

5. The judgment was overturned because you, Arnii Krooborg, successfully argued
against it in the California court.
__ T __ F

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:10 PM

Lionel wrote:
> In . com>,
> wrote :
>
> >
> >
> > wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >> > Gary Rosen wrote:
> >> > > > wrote in message
> >> > > ups.com...
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > tubeguy wrote:
> >> > > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> >> > > > > m...
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in
> >> > > > > > message ...
> >> > > > > >>
> >> > > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> >> > > > > >> . ..
> >> > > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> >> > > collective
> >> > > > > >>> bent
> >> > > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy
> >> > > > > >>> and does
> >> > > not
> >> > > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >>> tubeguy
> >> > > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> >> > > > > >>>
> >> > > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has
> >> > > > > been
> >> > > there
> >> > > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I
> >> > > > > would love
> >> > > to
> >> > > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> >> > > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
> >> > >
> >> > > Is it as high as Middius'?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> >> > audio?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> > When?
>
> About 10 posts before this one. ;-)

No. That goes back to all that crap Arny stirred up when he was
accusing other posters of sending him kiddie porn, Wasn't about a
disagreement over audio at all. You didn't know that?

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 04:16 PM

wrote:

> Agreed, the "old" SP was a completely different magazine,
and a good
> one. Other than the name, that magazine no longer exists.
It's kind of
> like picking up a copy of the NY Times, only to find that
the staff of
> the National Enquirer had taken control. :-(

So much for real world examples! :-(

> IMO, it is a travesty that Atkinson claims to be
continuing the
> subjective tradition of the original, Holt directed SP.

I don't know if he is actually claiming that.

> Nothing could be further from the truth (except, of
course, a "review" in the
> current rag. ;->).

The irritating part is that that the technical sides of some
reviews are actually pretty good. In almost every case,
Atkinson has something to do with the technical work.

If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic Stress
Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:25 PM

wrote:
> wrote:
> > wrote:
> > > wrote:
> > > > Gary Rosen wrote:
> > > > > > wrote in message
> > > > > ups.com...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > tubeguy wrote:
> > > > > > > "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > m...
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > "Robert Morein" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > >> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > >> . ..
> > > > > > > >>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your
> > > > > collective
> > > > > > > >>> bent
> > > > > > > >>> about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does
> > > > > not
> > > > > > > >>> deserve the bashing any group has given him.
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >>> tubeguy
> > > > > > > >>> www.tubeguy.org
> > > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > > >> Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
> > > > > there
> > > > > > > and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love
> > > > > to
> > > > > > > see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Do you want to be called a pedophile? Maybe you don't really know
> > > > > > Arny's level of discourse on RAO all that well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it as high as Middius'?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
> > > > audio?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Yes.
> >
> >
> >
> > When?
> >
> >
> >
> One of MANY:
> >
> >
> http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh

I see, you are going to ignore the long standing fued over Arny
accusing other posters of sending him kiddie porn. I don't agree with
people calling Arny a pedophile over that mess he made. I prefer just
to call him a sleazy liar. But *thta8 is the reason Middius says what
he says. It was never a shot at Arny out of the blue over some
disagreement on audio. Arny made his bed on that one with some really
****ed up bogus accusations. But if you guys want to ignore that
history that is your choice.

> >
> >
>
> Are you really this oblivious!?!

You wish to ignore the history behind this feud and you call be
oblivious.

> >
> >
> A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to read and believe
> in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead to diminished brain
> activity?

I have a better question does one become bitter snotty loser by living
a nonproductive life staying at home with their mom and dad or, does
one have to stay at home with mom and dad because that is the only
option for a bitter snotty loser?

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:29 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > wrote:
>
> >>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement on
> >>>> audio?
>
> >>> Yes.
>
> >> When?
>
> > One of MANY:
>
> > http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
>
> > Are you really this oblivious!?!
>
> No, Scott is that stupid.

Words from another bitter loser who never amounted to anything.

Remember that Middius might be the
> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
> against me in California Superior Court.

And you are calling me stupid. LOL

>
> > A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
> read and
> > believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
> to
> > diminished brain activity?
>
> It's syndrome. One leads to the other.

Your bitterness is pathetic.

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:31 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement on
> > audio?
>
> Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.

Bull****. Prove it

>
> Wake up, you pathetic sucker!

Back at you. loser.

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 04:36 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement
> >>>>>> on audio?
> >>
> >>>>> Yes.
> >>
> >>>> When?
> >>
> >>> One of MANY:
> >>
> >>> http://tinyurl.com/9uwwh
> >>
> >>> Are you really this oblivious!?!
> >>
> >> No, Scott is that stupid. Remember that Middius might be
> the
> >> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
> >> against me in California Superior Court.
> >>
> >>> A question: does diminished brain activity lead one to
> >> read and
> >>> believe in $tereophile, or does reading $tereophile lead
> >> to
> >>> diminished brain activity?
> >>
> >> It's syndrome. One leads to the other.
> >>
> >>
> > But which came first: the $tereophile subscription or the
> "duh"?
>
> Given that I was once a charter subscriber to Stereophile...
> ;-)

In your case duh came first and stayed.

>
> However, it was a different magazine and when I subscribed,
> it had not published any issues, yet.

What an idiot.

>
> The JGH Strerephile was a very different magazine.

Bull****.

It was in
> the 1960s and in those days a lot of audio components, did
> in fact sound different from each other.

I see so the objectivsts were wrong then but they were psychic. You do
realize that J. Gordon Holt was talking about amp sound well into the
late eighties early nineties don't you?

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 04:38 PM

wrote:
>>>
>>> When?
>>
>> About 10 posts before this one. ;-)

That would be a good example of Middius accusing me of
pedophilia.

> No. That goes back to all that crap Arny stirred up when
he was
> accusing other posters of sending him kiddie porn, Wasn't
about a
> disagreement over audio at all. You didn't know that?

So Scott, you think that Middius never accused me of
pedophilia before the brouhaha about someone sending me
kiddie porn?

Wow, they must have a line of turnip trucks a mile long in
front of your house!

Oh, I get it. Since Middius never posts about audio, he
could never possibly accuse me of pedophilia in the midst of
an audio discussion because he never discusses audio.

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 04:41 PM

George Middius wrote:

>> Remember that Middius might be the
>> one who talked Scott into filing that bogus libel suit
>> against me in California Superior Court.

> The sad thing is that you have lied to yourself so many
times about
> the lawsuit that you now believe your own Kroopaganda. Try
this
> true-or-false quiz:
>
> 1. Scott Wheeler filed a defamation lawsuit against you in
California.
> __ T __ F

True.

>
> 2. Scott Wheeler stated that filing the lawsuit was not
his own idea
> but someone else's.
> __ T __ F

I can't properly answer because my omnisicence module is
broken.

> 3. The case was decided in the plaintiff's favor by the
judge.
> __ T __ F

It was dismissed on the grounds of Scott's demonstrated
legal incompetence.

> 4. The judgment expired because Mister Wheeler did not
provide
> required documents to the court.
> __ T __ F

See above.

> 5. The judgment was overturned because you, Arnii
Krooborg,
> successfully argued against it in the California court.
> __ T __ F

See above.

BTW Middius, none of the answers to your questions are
relevant to the question I raised. Nice try!

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 04:42 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
disagreement on
>>> audio?
>>
>> Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.
>
>
> Bull****. Prove it

Given your demonstrated inability to correctly perceive
relevant true statements Scott, not worth the trouble.

Sander deWaal

May 31st 05, 05:31 PM

George M. Middius said:

>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a disagreement on
>> audio?

>Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone names.

Please, George.....RAO was just quieting down a bit.

--

"Audio as a serious hobby is going down the tubes."
- Howard Ferstler, 25/4/2005

Schizoid Man

May 31st 05, 05:55 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

> tubeguy wrote:
>
>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him.
>
> While a number of years ago, that was a nice day.
>
>>What your collective
>> bent about this guy is I do not understand.
>
> It's simple. They turned audio into a cat fight and then I
> handed them their precious parts on a platter.
>
>>Arnie is a good guy and
>> does not deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>
> It's pretty much restricted to this group, which has clearly
> ruined itself in its attempt to ruin me.

Arny,

A word of caution before you go on blowing Tubeguy's horn. He's an
ultra-subjectivist.

Anuj

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 05:58 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> When?
> >>
> >> About 10 posts before this one. ;-)
>
> That would be a good example of Middius accusing me of
> pedophilia.

That would be a good example of your lack of reading comprehension. I
guess the word "audio" confused you.

>
> > No. That goes back to all that crap Arny stirred up when
> he was
> > accusing other posters of sending him kiddie porn, Wasn't
> about a
> > disagreement over audio at all. You didn't know that?
>
> So Scott, you think that Middius never accused me of
> pedophilia before the brouhaha about someone sending me
> kiddie porn?

Prove he did.

>
> Wow, they must have a line of turnip trucks a mile long in
> front of your house!

Thanks for mangling a good old saying.

>
> Oh, I get it.

I doubt it.

Since Middius never posts about audio, he
> could never possibly accuse me of pedophilia in the midst of
> an audio discussion because he never discusses audio.

I was right. You don't get it.

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 06:01 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed, the "old" SP was a completely different magazine,
> and a good
> > one. Other than the name, that magazine no longer exists.
> It's kind of
> > like picking up a copy of the NY Times, only to find that
> the staff of
> > the National Enquirer had taken control. :-(
>
> So much for real world examples! :-(
>
>
> > IMO, it is a travesty that Atkinson claims to be
> continuing the
> > subjective tradition of the original, Holt directed SP.
>
> I don't know if he is actually claiming that.
>
> > Nothing could be further from the truth (except, of
> course, a "review" in the
> > current rag. ;->).
>
> The irritating part is that that the technical sides of some
> reviews are actually pretty good. In almost every case,
> Atkinson has something to do with the technical work.
>
> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic Stress
> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...

It is funny to watch a couple of losers who sponge off their families
wallow in sour grapes. Dtomp on enough sour grapes and you get whine.
get a life, both of you.

Scott Wheeler

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 06:02 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement on
> >>> audio?
> >>
> >> Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.
> >
> >
> > Bull****. Prove it
>
> Given your demonstrated inability to correctly perceive
> relevant true statements Scott, not worth the trouble.

IOW you are full of **** as usual.

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 06:07 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
disagreement on
>>>>> audio?
>>>>
>>>> Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.
>>>
>>>
>>> Bull****. Prove it
>>
>> Given your demonstrated inability to correctly perceive
>> relevant true statements Scott, not worth the trouble.
>
> IOW you are full of **** as usual.

IOW Scott, others took the time to help you out and show you
the evidence of Middius' malfeasance, and you spat in their
face.

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 06:08 PM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
>> tubeguy wrote:
>>
>>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him.
>>
>> While a number of years ago, that was a nice day.
>>
>>> What your collective
>>> bent about this guy is I do not understand.
>>
>> It's simple. They turned audio into a cat fight and then
I
>> handed them their precious parts on a platter.
>>
>>> Arnie is a good guy and
>>> does not deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>>
>> It's pretty much restricted to this group, which has
clearly
>> ruined itself in its attempt to ruin me.
>
> Arny,
>
> A word of caution before you go on blowing Tubeguy's horn.
He's an
> ultra-subjectivist.

Haven't you heard that DBTs are subjective tests?

George Middius

May 31st 05, 06:27 PM

Sander deWaal said:

>>Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone names.

>Please, George.....RAO was just quieting down a bit.

Not my problem. My brief is to defend myself from slander and Kroopaganda when
and where I see fit. The accusation in question is an outright lie, so I'm
entitled to rebut it.

[email protected]

May 31st 05, 06:53 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Has Middius ever called someone a pedophile over a
> disagreement on
> >>>>> audio?
> >>>>
> >>>> Many times, slick. Directly and by implication.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Bull****. Prove it
> >>
> >> Given your demonstrated inability to correctly perceive
> >> relevant true statements Scott, not worth the trouble.
> >
> > IOW you are full of **** as usual.
>
> IOW Scott, others took the time to help you out and show you
> the evidence of Middius' malfeasance, and you spat in their
> face.

No they all failed to offer any proof that Middius has ever called
anyone a pedophile over a disagreement on audio. They all chose to
ignore the problem you created for yourself with those bogus
accusations that RAO regulars were sending you kiddie porn. They all
remain comfortable with your disgusting ways.

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 06:58 PM

Sander deWaal wrote:

> George M. Middius said:

>> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not
calling someone
>> names.

I admit it, I was in Maryland last weekend forced Middius
who is under-aged, to *service* me incessantly. ;-)

I guess you could say that Middius was my ....

> Please, George.....RAO was just quieting down a bit.

That's what got Middius started - it was getting too quiet,
and too audio-centric for him.

George Middius

May 31st 05, 07:07 PM

Slut engages in some wishful thinking.

>> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone
>> names.

>George it was so simple to make the to NY and to have him emprisoned...

So now you agree, at long last, that Krooger should be "emprisoned"?

>Who is the coward George ? ;-)

What is a nonsequitur, Slut? ;-)

George Middius

May 31st 05, 07:45 PM

In Krooger's krazy world of religious science ;-), false is always
"debating-trade"-able and true is the chimera of the sufficiently educated.

>> The sad thing is that you have lied to yourself so many times about
>> the lawsuit that you now believe your own Kroopaganda.

Lack of denial by Krooger of his ****fulness noted. Thank's for admitting Mr.
Kroofeces that, its like your a compulsive liar even when you're not ly'ing
deliberately, on purpose, for real. LOl!

>> Try this true-or-false quiz:

>> 1. Scott Wheeler filed a defamation lawsuit against you in California.
>> __ T __ F

>True.

You admit that. Good.

>> 2. Scott Wheeler stated that filing the lawsuit was not his own idea
>> but someone else's.
>> __ T __ F

>I can't properly answer because my omnisicence module is
>broken.

But it's not a question of knowing the unknowable, you lying sack of crap. It's
a question of the accusation you (yes, you, Arnii Krooborg) already made. Were
you lying then or are you lying now, you filthy pile of feces? You already
Kroo-klaimed that I put him up to the lawsuit. Admit you lied then or admit
you're lying now. Alternatively, please kill yourself.

>> 3. The case was decided in the plaintiff's favor by the judge.
>> __ T __ F

>It was dismissed

A lie. The initial judgment was awarded to the plaintiff (i.e. Mister Wheeler,
the injured party).

>> 4. The judgment expired because Mister Wheeler did not provide
>> required documents to the court.
>> __ T __ F

>See above.

I believe you're admitting that #4 is True.

>> 5. The judgment was overturned because you, Arnii Krooborg,
>> successfully argued against it in the California court.
>> __ T __ F

>See above.

Yes, that too is false. You had nothing to do with the outcome of the lawsuit.
You sat on your feces-encrusted hands, cowering in your crumbling basement and
inhaling sewage fumes while your fate was being decided out in California. Then
you got lucky as hell when Mister Wheeler let the lawsuit lapse rather than
fulfilling the red-tape requirements. Lucky, lucky, lucky. Lazy, lazy, lazy.
Kowardly, kowardly, kowardly.

>BTW Middius, none of the answers to your questions are
>relevant to the question I raised. Nice try!

I proved you were lying again. That's about 2,000 times so far this year. Sadly,
I don't think that's close to your record.

Why don't you accuse Mister Wheeler of pedophilia a few more times? It's a
"given" that he doesn't care enough to punish you for it. How many "debating
trade" points do you win when you make a nasty accusation and aren't punished
for it?

Lionel

May 31st 05, 09:20 PM

In >, George Middius wrote :

>
> Slut engages in some wishful thinking.
>
>>> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not calling someone
>>> names.
>
>>George it was so simple to make the to NY and to have him emprisoned...
>
> So now you agree, at long last, that Krooger should be "emprisoned"?

This is not my problem George, it's just your fantasy.
Your impotence is coming from the fact that you don't make the minimum
effort to give a reality to your phantasms. You are really pitiful. :-D

>>Who is the coward George ? ;-)
>
> What is a nonsequitur, Slut? ;-)

Coming from you ? A true that you don't want to be displayed, idiot.

Robert Morein

May 31st 05, 10:31 PM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
> > Schizoid Man wrote:
>
> >> Arny,
> >>
> >> A word of caution before you go on blowing Tubeguy's horn.
> > He's an
> >> ultra-subjectivist.
> >
> > Haven't you heard that DBTs are subjective tests?
>
> Your new best friend (Tubeguy) was challenging the validity of Nyqvist's
> Theorem yesterday.
>
Arny forms strategic alliances without regard for doctrinal conformity. Sort
of like the Hitler-Stalin nonagression pact.
Watch out, Baltic States!

Arny Krueger

May 31st 05, 10:55 PM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
>> Schizoid Man wrote:
>
>>> Arny,
>>>
>>> A word of caution before you go on blowing Tubeguy's
horn.
>> He's an
>>> ultra-subjectivist.
>>
>> Haven't you heard that DBTs are subjective tests?
>
> Your new best friend (Tubeguy) was challenging the
validity of
> Nyqvist's Theorem yesterday.

I read the post - it was a hoot!

[email protected]

June 1st 05, 12:13 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Sander deWaal wrote:
>
> > George M. Middius said:
>
> >> Krooger *is* a pedophile. That's stating a fact, not
> calling someone
> >> names.
>
> I admit it, I was in Maryland last weekend forced Middius
> who is under-aged, to *service* me incessantly. ;-)
>

Hi Arny! Remember me? I getting jealous.

> I guess you could say that Middius was my ....
>

I remember that. T-U-B-E-S-O-C-K-E-T. For your EL84 only.

> > Please, George.....RAO was just quieting down a bit.
>
> That's what got Middius started - it was getting too quiet,
> and too audio-centric for him.

When can we have another sleep-over? I miss the special sausage pizza.
littleboyblue

[email protected]

June 1st 05, 12:25 AM

You are wrong Mr. Middius. Uncle Arny is a very gentle man who has
taught me a lot of fun pleasurable things and helped my family since I
was 11. He even had my mother's car fixed when it broke down and bought
us a washer and a dryer. It is mean and hurtful to say those things
about Arny, Mr. Middius and I want you to say your sorry because you're
just jealous. littleboyblue

Schizoid Man

June 1st 05, 12:30 AM

> wrote in message

> You are wrong Mr. Middius. Uncle Arny is a very gentle man who has
> taught me a lot of fun pleasurable things and helped my family since I
> was 11. He even had my mother's car fixed when it broke down and bought
> us a washer and a dryer. It is mean and hurtful to say those things
> about Arny, Mr. Middius and I want you to say your sorry because you're
> just jealous. littleboyblue

Hehe. There's obviously a ton of latent comic talent on RAO.

Arny Krueger

June 1st 05, 12:46 AM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
>> You are wrong Mr. Middius. Uncle Arny is a very gentle
man who has
>> taught me a lot of fun pleasurable things and helped my
family since
>> I was 11. He even had my mother's car fixed when it broke
down and
>> bought us a washer and a dryer. It is mean and hurtful to
say those
>> things about Arny, Mr. Middius and I want you to say your
sorry
>> because you're just jealous. littleboyblue
>
> Hehe. There's obviously a ton of latent comic talent on
RAO.

Too bad its soooooooo latent.

[email protected]

June 1st 05, 02:39 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > Agreed, the "old" SP was a completely different magazine,
> and a good
> > one. Other than the name, that magazine no longer exists.
> It's kind of
> > like picking up a copy of the NY Times, only to find that
> the staff of
> > the National Enquirer had taken control. :-(
>
> So much for real world examples! :-(
>
>
> > IMO, it is a travesty that Atkinson claims to be
> continuing the
> > subjective tradition of the original, Holt directed SP.
>
> I don't know if he is actually claiming that.
>
>
He said something very much like that in a post "Great Debate" thread.
>
>
> > Nothing could be further from the truth (except, of
> course, a "review" in the
> > current rag. ;->).
>
> The irritating part is that that the technical sides of some
> reviews are actually pretty good.
>
>
IMO, the tech stuff is just part of the deceit: "If you can't dazzle
'em with bull****, baffle 'em with science". IOW, the graphs and
measurments are there to add a veneer of respectibility to the flowery
rantings of the $tereophile mental asylum.
>
>
> In almost every case,
> Atkinson has something to do with the technical work.
>
>
So he may actually be knowledgeable enough to know $tereophile is FOS.
Does this surprise you?
>
>
> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic Stress
> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...
>
>
Do you actually believe that yarn? I don't. I think it is very
carefully constructed to support the $tereophile position. IOW, I think
John Atkinson is a liar.

Surf

June 1st 05, 04:04 AM

little torrie****s wrote:

> I think............

zzzzz........

Clyde Slick

June 1st 05, 08:23 AM

"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> ...... Arnie.....I had lunch with him.

You must like to eat ****.

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Arny Krueger

June 1st 05, 01:38 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed, the "old" SP was a completely different
magazine,
>> and a good
>>> one. Other than the name, that magazine no longer
exists.
>> It's kind of
>>> like picking up a copy of the NY Times, only to find
that
>> the staff of
>>> the National Enquirer had taken control. :-(
>>
>> So much for real world examples! :-(
>>
>>
>>> IMO, it is a travesty that Atkinson claims to be
>> continuing the
>>> subjective tradition of the original, Holt directed SP.
>>
>> I don't know if he is actually claiming that.

> He said something very much like that in a post "Great
Debate" thread.

If so, not the only strange claim he made there.

>>> Nothing could be further from the truth (except, of
>> course, a "review" in the
>>> current rag. ;->).

>> The irritating part is that that the technical sides of
some
>> reviews are actually pretty good.

> IMO, the tech stuff is just part of the deceit: "If you
can't dazzle
> 'em with bull****, baffle 'em with science". IOW, the
graphs and
> measurments are there to add a veneer of respectibility to
the flowery
> rantings of the $tereophile mental asylum.

I agree. Churchill said that the truth is so valuable that
it needs a cloak of lies. Atkinson seems to have turned that
around and works on the principle that lies are so
profitable that they need a cloak of truth.

>> In almost every case,
>> Atkinson has something to do with the technical work.

> So he may actually be knowledgeable enough to know
$tereophile is FOS.
> Does this surprise you?

We've long debated this in SWMTMS, and concluded that the
operative principle is that "Hey, its a business..."

>> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic
Stress
>> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...

> Do you actually believe that yarn?

It may be a true story but its not a good story.

> I don't. I think it is very
> carefully constructed to support the $tereophile position.

It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
support his position.

> IOW, I think John Atkinson is a liar.

The truth and what he publishes often seem to be two
different things.

Arny Krueger

June 1st 05, 01:40 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>
>> ...... Arnie.....I had lunch with him.
>
> You must like to eat ****.

Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer. You'll go
to any depth to steal precious young Middius away from me,
won't you?

MINe 109

June 1st 05, 01:59 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> >> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic
> Stress
> >> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...
>
> > Do you actually believe that yarn?
>
> It may be a true story but its not a good story.
>
> > I don't. I think it is very
> > carefully constructed to support the $tereophile position.
>
> It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
> support his position.

Supporting his position by relating experience, how devious!

He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the story in 1989.

http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/

Stephen

Arny Krueger

June 1st 05, 02:02 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>>>> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic
>> Stress
>>>> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...
>>
>>> Do you actually believe that yarn?
>>
>> It may be a true story but its not a good story.
>>
>>> I don't. I think it is very
>>> carefully constructed to support the $tereophile
position.
>>
>> It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
>> support his position.
>
> Supporting his position by relating experience, how
devious!

The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all over
it.

> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
story in 1989.

> http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/

....only about 9 years after it happened and during one of
the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.

dave weil

June 1st 05, 03:50 PM

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
>with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer.

MINe 109

June 1st 05, 08:54 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >>>> If Atkinson just hadn't come down with Post Traumatic
> >> Stress
> >>>> Disorder after that DBT 27 years ago...
> >>
> >>> Do you actually believe that yarn?
> >>
> >> It may be a true story but its not a good story.
> >>
> >>> I don't. I think it is very
> >>> carefully constructed to support the $tereophile
> position.
> >>
> >> It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
> >> support his position.
> >
> > Supporting his position by relating experience, how
> > devious!
>
> The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
> Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all over
> it.

Or a "road to Damascas" moment akin to the one that led to Stereophile
to begin with.

> > He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
> story in 1989.
>
> > http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/
>
> ...only about 9 years after it happened and during one of
> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.

Who cares how long it took? JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.

Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow preventing mass
consumer acceptance of an ABX product?

Stephen

John Atkinson

June 1st 05, 09:23 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
> > support his position.
>
> Supporting his position by relating experience, how devious!
> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the story
> in 1989. http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/

Thank you, Stephen. Cunning indeed of me, dontcha think? :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[email protected]

June 1st 05, 10:02 PM

MINe 109 wrote:

> JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
> more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.
>

And Atkinson came along and changed things for _business_ reasons. By
Holt's own admission, he never made much money with S'phile. Under
Larry Archibald and Atkinson, the mag morphed from a publication that
tried to serve it's readership to one that delivered up it's readership
to the advertisers. IOW, Stereophile became $tereopile. That was great
for the business interests, not so good for the readership.

George M. Middius

June 1st 05, 10:27 PM

The Krooborg whined:

> >Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
> >with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer.

Arnii, I had no idea you were serious about that. Send me a better photo of
your tongue, and I'll reconsider my decision.

MINe 109

June 1st 05, 10:29 PM

In article . com>,
"John Atkinson" > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> > > It seems like it was advanced first during the debate to
> > > support his position.
> >
> > Supporting his position by relating experience, how devious!
> > He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the story
> > in 1989. http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/
>
> Thank you, Stephen. Cunning indeed of me, dontcha think? :-)

Well played! But surely top honors go to Peter Walker for creating such
a chasm between 'should' and 'does'.

Stephen

Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 01:16 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>>
>>> ...... Arnie.....I had lunch with him.
>>
>> You must like to eat ****.
>
> Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
> with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer. You'll go
> to any depth to steal precious young Middius away from me,
> won't you?
>

It keeps getting more difficult for you
to find young boy trainees, doesn't it?

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Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 01:17 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> ... during one of
> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.
>

LOL!!!!!!

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Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 01:19 AM

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
>>with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer.
>

It would be better if the turds just diasappeared.
Get lost!

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Schizoid Man

June 2nd 05, 01:20 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "dave weil" > wrote in message

>> On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 08:40:34 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Art, your obsession with this activity would be consistent
>>>with the rumor that you're Middius' chief rimmer.
>>
>
> It would be better if the turds just diasappeared.
> Get lost!

I see you're back from your pan-Asian sexual tourism trip. ;-)

Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 01:37 AM

"Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
...
>

>
> I see you're back from your pan-Asian sexual tourism trip. ;-)
>

Did you bust a really good nut thinking about it?

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Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 02:00 AM

MINe 109 wrote:

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:

>> The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
>> Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all
over
>> it.

> Or a "road to Damascas" moment akin to the one that led to
Stereophile
> to begin with.

Why don't you tell us about that "Road To Damascas" moment
that led to the creation of Stereophile to begin with.

>>> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
>> story in 1989.

>>> http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/

>> ...only about 9 years after it happened and during one of
>> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.

> Who cares how long it took?

Clearly, nobody who has suspended disbelief in Sterephile's
weirdness...

> JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
> more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.

Good job of obfuscating the point that Atkinson who is
Sterephile's editor, was not open to ABX and only compares
it to a bogus standard.

> Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow
preventing
> mass consumer acceptance of an ABX product?

Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, why would I care?

> Stephen

Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 02:02 AM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>
>>
>> I see you're back from your pan-Asian sexual tourism
trip. ;-)
>>
>
> Did you bust a really good nut thinking about it?

Substitute gut for nut and see the truth.

Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 02:40 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, ................

They're coming to take you away, haha, to the funny farm.........

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Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 02:42 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> "Schizoid Man" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>
>>>
>>> I see you're back from your pan-Asian sexual tourism
> trip. ;-)
>>>
>>
>> Did you bust a really good nut thinking about it?
>
> Substitute gut for nut and see the truth.
>

Of course, it would work for you, as you derive enjoyment from abusing
children.

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Joseph Oberlander

June 2nd 05, 05:21 AM

tubeguy wrote:

> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> m...
>
>>"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective
>>>>bent
>>>>about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
>>>>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>>>>
>>>>tubeguy
>>>>www.tubeguy.org
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>
>
> Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been there
> and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would love to
> see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.

I've had several email exhanges with him over the years and he's
always seemed to be a decent enough guy.

OTOH...

He's a complete ass here in this group. I think it's his form
of entertainment to poke at the cages and see the nuts react
or something.

MINe 109

June 2nd 05, 05:39 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>
> >> The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
> >> Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all
> over
> >> it.
>
> > Or a "road to Damascas" moment akin to the one that led to
> Stereophile
> > to begin with.
>
> Why don't you tell us about that "Road To Damascas" moment
> that led to the creation of Stereophile to begin with.

Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review magazine.

> >>> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
> >> story in 1989.
>
> >>> http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/
>
> >> ...only about 9 years after it happened and during one of
> >> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.
>
> > Who cares how long it took?
>
> Clearly, nobody who has suspended disbelief in Sterephile's
> weirdness...

Was it too soon or too late?

> > JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
> > more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.
>
> Good job of obfuscating the point that Atkinson who is
> Sterephile's editor, was not open to ABX and only compares
> it to a bogus standard.

If it doesn't work, what's it good for?

> > Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow
> preventing
> > mass consumer acceptance of an ABX product?
>
> Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, why would I care?

Would that you were so easily satisfied with other things.

Stephen

Clyde Slick

June 2nd 05, 10:35 AM

"Joseph Oberlander" > wrote in message
k.net...
>
>
> tubeguy wrote:
>
>> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> m...
>>
>>>"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>>
>>>>>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective
>>>>>bent
>>>>>about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
>>>>>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>>>>>
>>>>>tubeguy
>>>>>www.tubeguy.org
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like another sockpuppet to me.
>>
>>
>> Nope, just a guy who has met Arnie. Back off. He's a dude who has been
>> there and back. I had lunch with him. He is a fine gentleman, and I would
>> love to see you all bring yourselves up to his level of discourse.
>
> I've had several email exhanges with him over the years and he's
> always seemed to be a decent enough guy.
>
> OTOH...
>
> He's a complete ass here in this group. I think it's his form
> of entertainment to poke at the cages and see the nuts react
> or something.
>

Arny is the caged urangotan in a zoo.
He just loves to defecate in front of his audience.

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Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 11:49 AM

Joseph Oberlander wrote:

> He's a complete ass here in this group.

As if you've done anything here to be proud of, Joe.

>I think it's his form of entertainment to poke at the
cages and see the nuts react
> or something.

Doooh!

dave weil

June 2nd 05, 12:06 PM

On Wed, 1 Jun 2005 21:00:28 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow
>preventing
>> mass consumer acceptance of an ABX product?
>
>Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, why would I care?

Yeah, since the consumer acceptance is miniscule, what does it really
matter?

George M. Middius

June 2nd 05, 12:41 PM

dave weil said:

> Yeah, since the consumer acceptance is miniscule, what does it really
> matter?

Arnii & Tommi should run a raffle for a couple of aBxism torture boxes. If
they're so valuable, people will be lining up to buy tickets.

Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 01:04 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> MINe 109 wrote:
>>
>>> In article >,
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>> The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
>>>> Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all
over
>>>> it.
>>
>>> Or a "road to Damascas" moment akin to the one that led
to
>>> Stereophile to begin with.
>>
>> Why don't you tell us about that "Road To Damascas"
moment
>> that led to the creation of Stereophile to begin with.
>
> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
magazine.

Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that you
didn't know what you were talking about?

There is a well-known story behind the creation of
Stereophile. You might do well to find out what it is.

>>>>> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
story in
>>>>> 1989.
>>
>>>>> http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/
>>
>>>> ...only about 9 years after it happened and during one
of
>>>> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.

>>> Who cares how long it took?

>> Clearly, nobody who has suspended disbelief in
Sterephile's
>> weirdness...

> Was it too soon or too late?

Could you be more vague Stephen?

>>> JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
>>> more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.

>> Good job of obfuscating the point that Atkinson who is
>> Sterephile's editor, was not open to ABX and only
compares
>> it to a bogus standard.

> If it doesn't work, what's it good for?

Good question. Stereophile doesn't work, so what is it good
for?

>>> Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow
preventing
>>> mass consumer acceptance of an ABX product?
>>
>> Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, why would I care?

> Would that you were so easily satisfied with other things.

Apparently even my low standards are way too high for you,
Stephen.

[email protected]

June 2nd 05, 02:15 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> MINe 109 wrote:
>
<snip>
> >
> > Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
> magazine.
>
> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that you
> didn't know what you were talking about?
>
> There is a well-known story behind the creation of
> Stereophile. You might do well to find out what it is.
>
>
Here 'tis:
>
>
http://tinyurl.com/8h4ha
>
>
A quote from JGH on his experience at High Fidelity, which led him to
start Stereophile:
>
"I watched, first with incredulity and then with growing disgust, how
the purchase of a year's advertising contract could virtually insure a
manufacturer against publication of an unfavorable report."
>
Perhaps this is why JGH left Stereophile: what he had founded had
become that which disgusted him. :-(

Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 02:23 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> MINe 109 wrote:
>>
> <snip>
>>>
>>> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
>> magazine.
>>
>> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that
you
>> didn't know what you were talking about?
>>
>> There is a well-known story behind the creation of
>> Stereophile. You might do well to find out what it is.
>>
>>
> Here 'tis:
>>
>>
> http://tinyurl.com/8h4ha
>>
>>
> A quote from JGH on his experience at High Fidelity, which
led him to
> start Stereophile:
>>
> "I watched, first with incredulity and then with growing
disgust, how
> the purchase of a year's advertising contract could
virtually insure a
> manufacturer against publication of an unfavorable
report."
>>
> Perhaps this is why JGH left Stereophile: what he had
founded had
> become that which disgusted him. :-(

I find the following (from your reference) to be quite
ironic:

"To my continuing regret, J. Gordon Holt left Stereophile in
1999 for what he perceived to be greener pastures. But it is
my pleasure to announce that Art Dudley, until recently
editor of the now-defunct Listener magazine, will be joining
our extended family as a reviewer and columnist with the
January 2003 issue."

Comparing JGH to someone who I find to be a certifiable
crazy like Dudley is quite a thing to behold.

MINe 109

June 2nd 05, 02:51 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> MINe 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>> In article >,
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>> The experience itself paints a pretty nasty picture of
> >>>> Atkinson. It has acceptance of weak proof painted all
> over
> >>>> it.
> >>
> >>> Or a "road to Damascas" moment akin to the one that led
> to
> >>> Stereophile to begin with.
> >>
> >> Why don't you tell us about that "Road To Damascas"
> moment
> >> that led to the creation of Stereophile to begin with.
> >
> > Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
> magazine.
>
> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that you
> didn't know what you were talking about?

He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews didn't tell him
enough about what components sounded like.

Sure, it was a long road, but so was JA's.

> There is a well-known story behind the creation of
> Stereophile. You might do well to find out what it is.

Wrote for an audio magazine, ran an audio company's newsletter, then his
own newletter, Stereophile.

Please, I'd like to know your version of how it all happened.

> >>>>> He cunningly anticipated the debate by publishing the
> story in
> >>>>> 1989.
> >>
> >>>>> http://www.stereophile.com/features/113/
> >>
> >>>> ...only about 9 years after it happened and during one
> of
> >>>> the first big consumer-level pushes for ABX.
>
> >>> Who cares how long it took?
>
> >> Clearly, nobody who has suspended disbelief in
> Sterephile's
> >> weirdness...
>
> > Was it too soon or too late?
>
> Could you be more vague Stephen?

Well, you're not giving me much to work with.

> >>> JGH and Stereophile were open to ABX and
> >>> more-or-less accepted its premises at face value.
>
> >> Good job of obfuscating the point that Atkinson who is
> >> Sterephile's editor, was not open to ABX and only
> compares
> >> it to a bogus standard.
>
> > If it doesn't work, what's it good for?
>
> Good question. Stereophile doesn't work, so what is it good
> for?

It's got pictures. And news and reviews. Oh, features! And lots of
measurements.

> >>> Do you harbor a grudge, blaming Stereophile for somehow
> preventing
> >>> mass consumer acceptance of an ABX product?
> >>
> >> Given the consumer acceptance of PCABX, why would I care?
>
> > Would that you were so easily satisfied with other things.
>
> Apparently even my low standards are way too high for you,
> Stephen.

You've got 'argumentative' down pat.

Stephen

George Middius

June 2nd 05, 03:09 PM

Arnii the Kroo-Monkey squawked:

>Doooh!

Real monkeys only play with their feces. Your manners are sub-primate.

[email protected]

June 2nd 05, 03:32 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
>
>
<snipped>
> > >
> > > Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
> > magazine.
> >
> > Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that you
> > didn't know what you were talking about?
>
> He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews didn't tell him
> enough about what components sounded like.
>
>
Let's not forget that JGH praised ABX as "the first significant
contribution to the audio field in years" some 20+ years *after* he
founded Stereophile. Clearly, JGH believed in listening both sighted
and blind. That's good for consumers, not so good for advertisers.
>
>
> Sure, it was a long road, but so was JA's.
>
>
Unfortunately, JA's road has changed Stereophile into $tereopile. IOW,
the magazine is now just the kind of advertiser driven magazine that
led Holt to found the original Stereophile as an alternative in the
first place.

Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 03:45 PM

wrote:
> MINe 109 wrote:
>>
>>
> <snipped>
>>>>
>>>> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
>>> magazine.
>>>
>>> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that
you
>>> didn't know what you were talking about?

>> He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews
didn't tell him
>> enough about what components sounded like.

More specifically, JGH realized that in the late 1950s. It
seems that the radical subjectivists would like us to
believe that nothing changed related to measurements in the
past 50 years.

However, my quote shows that the most important motivator
for JGH in those days was not the then-retarded state of
measurements, but the way that advertisers changed editorial
policy in their favor.

> Let's not forget that JGH praised ABX as "the first
significant
> contribution to the audio field in years" some 20+ years
*after* he
> founded Stereophile. Clearly, JGH believed in listening
both sighted
> and blind. That's good for consumers, not so good for
advertisers.

JGH saw that DBTs could shed a lot of light on audio
controversies. JA seems to have realized that resolving
those controversies would have serious negative impact on
enough SP advertisers to hurt the magazine financially.

>> Sure, it was a long road, but so was JA's.

It seems like JA had too much formal education in hard
science to beg off on the grounds of ignorance. However, the
means that he used to resolve the apparent contradiction
between DBTs and his own listening perceptions looks pretty
much like an abandoment of science.

> Unfortunately, JA's road has changed Stereophile into
$tereopile. IOW,
> the magazine is now just the kind of advertiser driven
magazine that
> led Holt to found the original Stereophile as an
alternative in the
> first place.

Agreed. It appears that eventually the JA-induced stink got
too much for JGH, so he ended up abandoning his offspring
because it had become too unruly and painful.

MINe 109

June 2nd 05, 04:16 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> wrote:
> > MINe 109 wrote:
> >>
> >>
> > <snipped>
> >>>>
> >>>> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
> >>> magazine.
> >>>
> >>> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit that
> you
> >>> didn't know what you were talking about?
>
> >> He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews
> didn't tell him
> >> enough about what components sounded like.
>
> More specifically, JGH realized that in the late 1950s. It
> seems that the radical subjectivists would like us to
> believe that nothing changed related to measurements in the
> past 50 years.
>
> However, my quote shows that the most important motivator
> for JGH in those days was not the then-retarded state of
> measurements, but the way that advertisers changed editorial
> policy in their favor.

And kept him from expressing his own opinions in his writing for the
magazine.

That led him to leave his magazine job for the newsletter job. The
Stereophile thing followed.

Stephen

Arny Krueger

June 2nd 05, 04:26 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>> MINe 109 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>> <snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
>>>>> magazine.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit
that
>> you
>>>>> didn't know what you were talking about?
>>
>>>> He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews
>> didn't tell him
>>>> enough about what components sounded like.
>>
>> More specifically, JGH realized that in the late 1950s.
It
>> seems that the radical subjectivists would like us to
>> believe that nothing changed related to measurements in
the
>> past 50 years.
>>
>> However, my quote shows that the most important motivator
>> for JGH in those days was not the then-retarded state of
>> measurements, but the way that advertisers changed
editorial
>> policy in their favor.
>
> And kept him from expressing his own opinions in his
writing for the
> magazine.

That would be the superset problem. The problem with the
advertisers was just one detail related to that.

> That led him to leave his magazine job for the newsletter
job.

You've been doing some reserach, grasshopper.

> The Stereophile thing followed.

Yeah, and I was a charter subscriber. I must have signed up
in 1962 or 1963. I seem to recall still getting new issues
related to that "1 year" subscription when I was in
Germany - 1969 or so.

Holt's concept of audio's high end is the one that I apply
to this day - higher quality products that probably cost
quite a bit more, but provide exceptional real-world audible
performance.

So much for the current Sterephile's spew of promotions for
snake oil and other overpriced products that seem to have no
audible advantages.

[email protected]

June 2nd 05, 04:29 PM

MINe 109 wrote:
> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
<snipped>
> >
> > However, my quote shows that the most important motivator
> > for JGH in those days was not the then-retarded state of
> > measurements, but the way that advertisers changed editorial
> > policy in their favor.
>
> And kept him from expressing his own opinions in his writing for the
> magazine.
>
> That led him to leave his magazine job for the newsletter job. The
> Stereophile thing followed.
>
>

Are you posting this in rebuttal? I fail to see where it succeeds as
such. Clearly, JGH objected to the influence of advertisers on the
content of reviews.

Project for today: tally up the number of negative reviews in the
Atkinson era. Then go see how many non-advertisers products make the
RCL.

Have fun!

dave weil

June 2nd 05, 04:29 PM

On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:45:00 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> Unfortunately, JA's road has changed Stereophile into
>$tereopile. IOW,
>> the magazine is now just the kind of advertiser driven
>magazine that
>> led Holt to found the original Stereophile as an
>alternative in the
>> first place.
>
>Agreed. It appears that eventually the JA-induced stink got
>too much for JGH, so he ended up abandoning his offspring
>because it had become too unruly and painful.

Mindreading again, I see.

It's more likely, using criteria that you've used when discussing
Rupert Neve's comments about analog vs. digital, that he just became
too aged to tell the difference between components. That would be far
more likely, right?

Schizoid Man

June 2nd 05, 05:18 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>> He's a complete ass here in this group.
>
> As if you've done anything here to be proud of, Joe.

He cut off Lord Vader's legs on the planet of Mostafa.

>
>>I think it's his form of entertainment to poke at the
> cages and see the nuts react
>> or something.
>
> Doooh!
>
>
>

Schizoid Man

June 2nd 05, 05:21 PM

> wrote in message

> A quote from JGH on his experience at High Fidelity, which led him to
> start Stereophile:
>>
> "I watched, first with incredulity and then with growing disgust, how
> the purchase of a year's advertising contract could virtually insure a
> manufacturer against publication of an unfavorable report."
>>
> Perhaps this is why JGH left Stereophile: what he had founded had
> become that which disgusted him. :-(

Sort of like what happened to Anakin when he was seduced by the Dark Side?

Joseph Oberlander

June 2nd 05, 05:26 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>
>>He's a complete ass here in this group.
>
>
> As if you've done anything here to be proud of, Joe.

The difference is that I never said I *had* done
anything special.

MINe 109

June 2nd 05, 05:35 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> MINe 109 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>> MINe 109 wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>> <snipped>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Somehow JGH got the idea to do a subjective review
> >>>>> magazine.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Could you be more vague Stephen? Why not just admit
> that
> >> you
> >>>>> didn't know what you were talking about?
> >>
> >>>> He gradually realized that measurements-only reviews
> >> didn't tell him
> >>>> enough about what components sounded like.
> >>
> >> More specifically, JGH realized that in the late 1950s.
> It
> >> seems that the radical subjectivists would like us to
> >> believe that nothing changed related to measurements in
> the
> >> past 50 years.
> >>
> >> However, my quote shows that the most important motivator
> >> for JGH in those days was not the then-retarded state of
> >> measurements, but the way that advertisers changed
> editorial
> >> policy in their favor.
> >
> > And kept him from expressing his own opinions in his
> writing for the
> > magazine.
>
> That would be the superset problem. The problem with the
> advertisers was just one detail related to that.

It's odd how you add 'corrections' that undercut your earlier positions.

> > That led him to leave his magazine job for the newsletter
> job.
>
> You've been doing some reserach, grasshopper.

http://stereophile.com/interviews/66/

1997 wasn't so long ago.

> > The Stereophile thing followed.
>
> Yeah, and I was a charter subscriber. I must have signed up
> in 1962 or 1963. I seem to recall still getting new issues
> related to that "1 year" subscription when I was in
> Germany - 1969 or so.

Leading to the creation of TAS, according to some, because people were
tired of waiting for their next issue.

> Holt's concept of audio's high end is the one that I apply
> to this day - higher quality products that probably cost
> quite a bit more, but provide exceptional real-world audible
> performance.

> So much for the current Sterephile's spew of promotions for
> snake oil and other overpriced products that seem to have no
> audible advantages.

'Spew' implies most products in Stereophile meet that description. Since
I don't get to hear overkill products, it's fun to read about them.
Personally, the only ultra high end stuff I've heard (Quads aside) is
the Linn CD12 and Linn switching amps, unless you count the Bad Brains
cd that has a couple of tracks mastered from Fremer's vinyl rig.

'Over-priced' is a valid opinion, but not a universal one.

Stephen

John Atkinson

June 2nd 05, 05:55 PM

dave weil wrote:
> On Thu, 2 Jun 2005 10:45:00 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> > wrote:
> >It appears that eventually the JA-induced stink
> >got too much for JGH, so he ended up abandoning
> >his offspring because it had become too unruly
> >and painful.
>
> Mindreading again, I see.

:-) I continue to be amazed by some people's need to
express opinions on subjects about which they have no
direct knowledge.

> It's more likely, using criteria that you've used
> when discussing Rupert Neve's comments about analog
> vs. digital, that he just became too aged to tell
> the difference between components. That would be far
> more likely, right?

Gordon resigned as a Stereophile employee in 1999 for
a number of reasons, some to do with his compensation
package, others to do with his strong feeling that
the magazine should abandon coverage of 2-channel
audio components and recordings in favor of multi-
channel playback. Gordon was offered a position
at The Absolute Sound to write about that subject,
but that didn't pan out the way he expected. He left
that magazine at the end of 2003.

Gordon is basically retired these days. He has also
been having some health problems but currently
appears to be okay. We stay in touch. He still feels
that I made a strategic error in not changing
Stereophile along the lines he wanted in 1999.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

George Middius

June 2nd 05, 06:30 PM

Joseph O'Blather said:

>The difference is that I never said I *had* done
>anything special.

You've apologized repeatedly for the Krooborg. That's special.

[email protected]

June 2nd 05, 09:17 PM

Schizoid Man wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> > A quote from JGH on his experience at High Fidelity, which led him to
> > start Stereophile:
> >>
> > "I watched, first with incredulity and then with growing disgust, how
> > the purchase of a year's advertising contract could virtually insure a
> > manufacturer against publication of an unfavorable report."
> >>
> > Perhaps this is why JGH left Stereophile: what he had founded had
> > become that which disgusted him. :-(
>
> Sort of like what happened to Anakin when he was seduced by the Dark Side?
>
>
But it seems that JGH was repulsed by the Dark side, not seduced by it.
And, AFAIK, he never developed that weird breathing problem. :-)

George M. Middius

June 2nd 05, 10:09 PM

MINe 109 said to Arnii Krooborg:

> You've got 'argumentative' down pat.

Argumentativeness is one of the core skills in the "debating trade". Second
in importance only to mendaciousness.

Joseph Oberlander

June 3rd 05, 07:28 AM

George Middius wrote:

> Joseph O'Blather said:
>
>
>>The difference is that I never said I *had* done
>>anything special.
>
>
> You've apologized repeatedly for the Krooborg. That's special.

Anything done online on UseNet is as meaningless
as the waste of space it occupies. Again, I've done
nothing special at all. Kreuger pontificates about
some **** the did decades ago as if it was sometihng
worthy of induction into some hall of fame.

Then again, so does John. Different sides of the same coin,
I guess.

George M. Middius

June 3rd 05, 12:10 PM

Joseph O'Blather said:

> > You've apologized repeatedly for the Krooborg. That's special.

> Anything done online on UseNet is as meaningless
> as the waste of space it occupies. Again, I've done
> nothing special at all.

Some of us disagree. I'm sure you're used to that.

> Kreuger pontificates about
> some **** the did decades ago as if it was sometihng
> worthy of induction into some hall of fame.

Good start on kicking the Kroopologism infection. A few other RAOers before
you have shaken it off fully. Maybe you can conquer it too.

> Then again, so does John. Different sides of the same coin,
> I guess.

Your viewpoint is somewhat left of weird.

Arny Krueger

June 3rd 05, 01:09 PM

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>>
>>
>>> He's a complete ass here in this group.
>>
>>
>> As if you've done anything here to be proud of, Joe.
>
> The difference is that I never said I *had* done
> anything special.

What qualifies you to judge, or was that just your
unsupported opinion?

George Middius

June 3rd 05, 08:12 PM

The Big **** said:

>>>> He's a complete ass here in this group.

[...]

>What qualifies you to judge, or was that just your
>unsupported opinion?

Certain opinions don't need specific supporting evidence because the foundation
is blatantly obvious. Your ****fulness is one such thing. It's so obvious that
even somebody with a profound case of Kroopologism recognizes it.

Of course, your utter lack of self-awareness prevents you from recognizing what
is blazingly apparent to virtually everybody else. However, I think that even
you, Arnii "****-for-Brains" Krooborg, aka Arnii the Kroomonkey, Flinger of
Feces, realize deep down that you're a dirty piece of work. Look at your
favorite way of deflecting criticism: You always try to smear your accuser with
the same aspersion. IOW, your only excuse is that you're not the only one who
behaves badly. And you offer the same weak, whiney, self-pitying crapola to
everybody who criticizes you. This constitutes a pattern of behavior.

At this juncture, you'll dredge up something about me to complain about. Yes, I
call you names, and compare you to turds, and malign your family, and mock your
pomposity. I do all those things, and it doesn't bother me (much). But I don't
**** on anybody and everybody, including those who take my side against the
likes of you. Too bad you can't say the same. You are indecency personified.

Margaret von B.

June 6th 05, 12:17 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Agreed. It appears that eventually the JA-induced stink got
> too much for JGH, so he ended up abandoning his offspring
> because it had become too unruly and painful.
>

So JGH went to The Absolute Sound instead.

The only thing that stinks is your logic. But I suspect it is a reflection
of your educational level and thus cannot really be held against you.

Cheers,

Margaret

George M. Middius

June 6th 05, 01:11 AM

Margaret von B. said to The Big ****:

> The only thing that stinks is your logic. But I suspect it is a reflection
> of your educational level and thus cannot really be held against you.

I attribute the illogic you observe on the part of Mr. **** to his mental
disease. Equally not his fault, except insofar as he's too selfish to get
treatment.

Margaret von B.

June 6th 05, 04:59 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> He's a complete ass here in this group.
>>>
>>>
>>> As if you've done anything here to be proud of, Joe.
>>
>> The difference is that I never said I *had* done
>> anything special.
>
> What qualifies you to judge, or was that just your
> unsupported opinion?
>
>

Interesting logic. Ever thought what qualifies you to breathe, Arny?

Cheers,

Margaret

PS. I notice one of your "moods" building up again. I hope everyone will be
safe.

Phildo

July 18th 05, 10:55 AM

"tubeguy" > wrote in message
. ..
>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective bent
>about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>
take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where Arny is regarded as
nothing more than a blowhard and where he's completely humiliated himself
over the last couple of days.

Suffice to say his name is mud over there and with good reason. His infamous
"FOH" post has to be seen to be believed.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 11:07 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What
your
>> collective bent about this guy is I do not understand.
Arnie
>> is a good guy and does not deserve the bashing any group
has
>> given him.

> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where
Arny
> is regarded as nothing more than a blowhard and where he's
> completely humiliated himself over the last couple of
days.

If Phildo's ego wasn't such a bleeding mess, he'd have no
need to do this.

Now, Phildo has brought the whole RAO contingent of mental
midgets into AAPLS to work it over.

Phildo, I regret hurting you so badly in our little debate.

Phildo

July 18th 05, 11:24 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where
> Arny
>> is regarded as nothing more than a blowhard and where he's
>> completely humiliated himself over the last couple of
> days.
>
> If Phildo's ego wasn't such a bleeding mess, he'd have no
> need to do this.

If your ego wasn't so over-inflated that you wouldn't listen to everyone on
AAPLS telling you what a prick you are I thought some of your other friends
may be able to make you see sense.

> Now, Phildo has brought the whole RAO contingent of mental
> midgets into AAPLS to work it over.

No, you did Arny. Crossposting is bad.

> Phildo, I regret hurting you so badly in our little debate.

Have you ever thought about seeing a shrink regarding your delusions?

Everyone's laughing at you Arny.

Phildo

George M. Middius

July 18th 05, 12:46 PM

Phildo said:

> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where Arny is regarded as
> nothing more than a blowhard and where he's completely humiliated himself
> over the last couple of days.

The Krooger phenomenon is pernicious. We've been afflicted with Mr. **** for
years on RAO. You captured one aspect of Krooger's pathetic existence with
this:

"You would LOVE to do the job we do though as your jealousy comes through in
every post you make."

Krooger is a complete phoney, a bladder of self-serving snot.

> Suffice to say his name is mud over there and with good reason. His infamous
> "FOH" post has to be seen to be believed.

Can you point to this post? I'm sure some RAOers would be interested.

George M. Middius

July 18th 05, 12:47 PM

Phildo said:

> Have you ever thought about seeing a shrink regarding your delusions?

Unfortunately, Krooger is too deeply ensconced in his psychosis to realize
he might be treatable.

Margaret von B.

July 18th 05, 01:23 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where
>> Arny
>>> is regarded as nothing more than a blowhard and where he's
>>> completely humiliated himself over the last couple of
>> days.
>>
>> If Phildo's ego wasn't such a bleeding mess, he'd have no
>> need to do this.
>
> If your ego wasn't so over-inflated that you wouldn't listen to everyone
> on AAPLS telling you what a prick you are I thought some of your other
> friends may be able to make you see sense.
>

Have y'all been "lying" to Arny? Arny gets really frustrated when people
"lie" to him which happens every time he attempts to interact with people.
Even Google "lies" to him.

Cheers,

Margaret

PS. It is good to see that Arny is making friends elsewhere too.

Phildo

July 18th 05, 02:01 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Phildo said:
>
>> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where Arny is regarded
>> as
>> nothing more than a blowhard and where he's completely humiliated himself
>> over the last couple of days.
>
> The Krooger phenomenon is pernicious. We've been afflicted with Mr. ****
> for
> years on RAO. You captured one aspect of Krooger's pathetic existence with
> this:
>
> "You would LOVE to do the job we do though as your jealousy comes through
> in
> every post you make."
>
> Krooger is a complete phoney, a bladder of self-serving snot.
>
>> Suffice to say his name is mud over there and with good reason. His
>> infamous
>> "FOH" post has to be seen to be believed.
>
> Can you point to this post? I'm sure some RAOers would be interested.
>
We were discussing monitor mixes. I'm sure you all know already but FOH
means the mix the audience hears and FOH (Front Of House) is where the
mixing desk normally goes.

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>
>>> You seem to have forgotten the most important considearation - what
>>> do his mixes sound like to you?
>
>> Try reading his post again Arny. He covered that part already:
>
>> <quote> I mean, the quality of the mix is okay, but its not great.<end
>> quote>
>
> Oh, it was such a weak statement that it shot right under my feet.
>
> It sounds to me like he's obsessing over something that someone else might
> be doing well enough. It also seems like he doesn't know how to do the
> thing
> that he's judging. If he thinks that he could do a better FOH mix himself
> by
> other means, then he should know it and say it.
>
> People are saying strange dogmatic things about FOH mixes. For example:
>
> "Not a good way to Mix - I always Tell people that the headphones are for
> troubleshooting only. Mixing through headphones as you realise means that
> you are not mixing what people are hearing."
>
> Obviously, this writer is not considering the possibility that the FOH mix
> is being listened to over IEMs. There's a pretty good chance in a 21st
> century church that the music director IS onstage performing, directing
> and
> listening to the FOH mix over a headset. So, now its always bad to mix
> with
> phones when the mix is going to be listened to, particularly by the boss
> man, with phones?
>
> The next possibility that is not being considered is the possibility that
> the FOH mix is being done by someone who isn't in the same sound field as
> the performers. In fact, this is pretty likely unless the FOH mixer is one
> of the performers.
>
> Let's be real, the FOH sound is not usually all that consistent over the
> whole stage. It's not like there's just one mix that is going to make
> everybody happy. If there's just one FOH mix, it's a pretty thoroughly
> compromised thing, anyhow. For example, how is it that I have two stage
> mixes? Well the piano is at stage right about 5' from the performers on
> the
> right of the stage.The performers at stage right feel they are getting
> blasted by piano if there is piano in their mix, so they get a mix w/o
> piano. Then, the clav is at stage left about 5' from the performers over
> there, and so on.
>
> If there's a dedicated FOH mixer, then he's not likely to be at the BOH,
> but
> why are people saying such categorical things when in general, there's a
> pretty good chance that the FOH mixer is a one guy doing it all, and in
> the
> BOH (more usual) or mid-hall (on a good day).
>
> I'm a bit amused by such a simplistic situation that there is just one FOH
> mix. I have to manage 4 FOH mixes - left stage, right stage, choir loft
> and
> pianist. The only one that is in any sense optional is the choir loft.
> Now,
> exactly how I do a reasonble job of monitoring 4 separate FOH mixes from
> the
> BOH without headphones?
>
> Another thing to consider is the fact that the FOH mix should be a
> relatively static thing. It's purpose is to give the performers feedback,
> and if someone is changing gain all the time, the performer's don't have
> consistent feedback.
>
> Finally, why are people presuming that nobody can translate what they hear
> over phones into a good FOH mix? I guess they think that since they can't
> do
> it, nobody can.
>

You can find the whole amusing and totally humiliating (for Arny) thread at
http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/browse_frm/thread/9280cceabc2bf6fa/66be6c965f022b9b?tvc=1&q=exactly+how+I+do+a+reasonble+job+of+monitoring+4 +separate+FOH+mixes+from+the#66be6c965f022b9b

Arny needs serious medical help. I don't think I have ever come across
someone so delusional.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 02:09 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> Arny needs serious medical help. I don't think I have ever
> come across someone so delusional.

Phildo is a perfectly normal happy person.

Normal happy people stalk others around Usenet.

Phildo is just ****sed that over on AAPLS I made an allusion
to people who were hateful bigots. I didn't without mention
Phido's name, but one of his good buddies jumped right up
and identified him by name.

Yup, Phildo is a picture of normalicy and peace.

MINe 109

July 18th 05, 02:40 PM

In article >, "Phildo" >
wrote:

> You can find the whole amusing and totally humiliating (for Arny) thread at
> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.audio.pro.live-sound/browse_frm/thread
> /9280cceabc2bf6fa/66be6c965f022b9b?tvc=1&q=exactly+how+I+do+a+reasonble+job+of
> +monitoring+4+separate+FOH+mixes+from+the#66be6c96 5f022b9b
>
> Arny needs serious medical help. I don't think I have ever come across
> someone so delusional.

Amazing. Arny graciously admitted error after consulting references.
More typically Arny is the "training wheels" comment which seems humble
enough, but it comes in answer to being accused of holding himself up as
an expert. I guess he learned that from RAP.

OTOH, while not picking up on "FOH" is kinda slow, if one is working in
isolation from sound professionals, one can make mistakes like that.

Stephen

Phildo

July 18th 05, 03:47 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> OTOH, while not picking up on "FOH" is kinda slow, if one is working in
> isolation from sound professionals, one can make mistakes like that.
>
You need to realise that FOH is a VERY common term when talking about live
sound and is used in many posts on the newsgroup daily.

Arny had been posting there for FIVE YEARS before he made that post.

He's now trying to tell us he is vastly over-qualified to do live sound
because he has an engineering degree. He did try to claim he had a masters
degree at one point then made the admission he never actually finished the
course.

Phildo

George Gleason

July 18th 05, 04:08 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:wcednVzW2Kj64kbfRVn-
:

> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What
> your
>>> collective bent about this guy is I do not understand.
> Arnie
>>> is a good guy and does not deserve the bashing any group
> has
>>> given him.
>
>> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where
> Arny
>> is regarded as nothing more than a blowhard and where he's
>> completely humiliated himself over the last couple of
> days.
>
> If Phildo's ego wasn't such a bleeding mess, he'd have no
> need to do this.
>
> Now, Phildo has brought the whole RAO contingent of mental
> midgets into AAPLS to work it over.
>
> Phildo, I regret hurting you so badly in our little debate.
>
>
>

Yup Arny
the entire rest of this NG is wrong and your right
It seems when dozens of people are telling you that your full of ****
perhaps you ought consider that these opinion are valid
George

Phildo

July 18th 05, 04:11 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>> Arny needs serious medical help. I don't think I have ever
>> come across someone so delusional.
>
> Phildo is a perfectly normal happy person.
>
> Normal happy people stalk others around Usenet.

Hey, someone mentioned how popular you were on this newsgroup. Seems people
just love you all over usenet. Doesn't that tell you anything Arny?

> Phildo is just ****sed that over on AAPLS I made an allusion
> to people who were hateful bigots.

Now this is what ****es me off about Arny. He makes a thinly-veiled,
cowardly attack where he mentions no specific names although everyone knows
who he is talking about then acts all innocent when pulled up on it. He also
tries to pass ghimself off as an expert but in reality knows jack **** about
live sound and only gets to use a mixing desk because he volunteers at his
church where nobody else wants the job. Now he's trying to tell us he's done
sound for Dave Brubeck and the Village People.

> I didn't without mention
> Phido's name, but one of his good buddies jumped right up
> and identified him by name.

Or rather they pointed out what a coward you were for not using the name
even though it was patently obvious who you were talking about (me) and then
pulled you up because what you said was indeed completely wrong.

> Yup, Phildo is a picture of normalicy and peace.

Arny, you need serious professional health. Please get yourself to a shrink
as soon as possible or get yourself committed.

If enough of us get together can't we have him sectioned or something?

Phildo

MINe 109

July 18th 05, 04:11 PM

In article >, "Phildo" >
wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > OTOH, while not picking up on "FOH" is kinda slow, if one is working in
> > isolation from sound professionals, one can make mistakes like that.
> >
> You need to realise that FOH is a VERY common term when talking about live
> sound and is used in many posts on the newsgroup daily.
>
> Arny had been posting there for FIVE YEARS before he made that post.

Make that "really slow." Maybe his board isn't labeled 'house' and
'monitor.'

> He's now trying to tell us he is vastly over-qualified to do live sound
> because he has an engineering degree. He did try to claim he had a masters
> degree at one point then made the admission he never actually finished the
> course.

I see. You may know more and do a better job, but he's still superior to
you.

Keep him busy, and off RAO!

Stephen

Phildo

July 18th 05, 04:14 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>> Can you point to this post? I'm sure some RAOers would be interested.
>>
> We were discussing monitor mixes. I'm sure you all know already but FOH
> means the mix the audience hears and FOH (Front Of House) is where the
> mixing desk normally goes.
>
By the way, you also need to know that Arny had been trying to pass himself
off as an expert in live sound for FIVE YEARS on this newsgroup when he made
this post and that FOH is a term used daily in many posts on the newsgroup,
central to many posts.

Phildo

Phildo

July 18th 05, 05:34 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
>> You need to realise that FOH is a VERY common term when talking about
>> live
>> sound and is used in many posts on the newsgroup daily.
>>
>> Arny had been posting there for FIVE YEARS before he made that post.
>
> Make that "really slow." Maybe his board isn't labeled 'house' and
> 'monitor.'

Doesn't matter. It's a basic term for anyone who is involved in live sound
and he tried to pass himself off as an expert for 5 years without even
knowing the basics. It's like someone saying they can fly a plane when they
don't know where the cockpit is.

>> He's now trying to tell us he is vastly over-qualified to do live sound
>> because he has an engineering degree. He did try to claim he had a
>> masters
>> degree at one point then made the admission he never actually finished
>> the
>> course.
>
> I see. You may know more and do a better job, but he's still superior to
> you.

How the hell do you work that one out? Seems you are as delusional as he is.
Now he's going on about how he's upper class and therefore better than
everybody else. The guy is paranoid delusional with an ego bigger than
Orange County.

> Keep him busy, and off RAO!

Keeping him out of real life would be better. He needs serious professional
help.

Phildo

Phildo

July 18th 05, 05:35 PM

"George Gleason" > wrote in message
...
> Yup Arny
> the entire rest of this NG is wrong and your right
> It seems when dozens of people are telling you that your full of ****
> perhaps you ought consider that these opinion are valid

His ego is too over-inflated for him to ever consider something like that
George.

Paranoid delusional with an ego bigger than Orange County.

He needs serious professional help.

Phildo

Phildo

July 18th 05, 05:39 PM

"Margaret von B." > wrote in message
. ..
> PS. It is good to see that Arny is making friends elsewhere too.
>
Does anyone happen to have the details of the church Arny goes to?

Maybe we could get the pastor there and the people who have to suffer him to
get him sectioned or at least get him the medical help he so desperately
needs?

Phildo

George Middius

July 18th 05, 05:44 PM

Phildo said:

>>> He's now trying to tell us he is vastly over-qualified to do live sound
>>> because he has an engineering degree. He did try to claim he had a masters
>>> degree at one point then made the admission he never actually finished the
>>> course.

>> I see. You may know more and do a better job, but he's still superior to
>> you.

>How the hell do you work that one out? Seems you are as delusional as he is.

Calm down. Stephen was demonstrating Kroologic using the time-honored (but
'borg-proof) technique of mockery.

It's axiomatic that no matter how bluntly and how frequently you mock the
Krooborg, he never EVER gets it. EVER.

MINe 109

July 18th 05, 06:08 PM

In article >, "Phildo" >
wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> You need to realise that FOH is a VERY common term when talking about
> >> live
> >> sound and is used in many posts on the newsgroup daily.
> >>
> >> Arny had been posting there for FIVE YEARS before he made that post.
> >
> > Make that "really slow." Maybe his board isn't labeled 'house' and
> > 'monitor.'
>
> Doesn't matter. It's a basic term for anyone who is involved in live sound
> and he tried to pass himself off as an expert for 5 years without even
> knowing the basics. It's like someone saying they can fly a plane when they
> don't know where the cockpit is.

He's been here seven years.

> >> He's now trying to tell us he is vastly over-qualified to do live sound
> >> because he has an engineering degree. He did try to claim he had a
> >> masters
> >> degree at one point then made the admission he never actually finished
> >> the course.

> > I see. You may know more and do a better job, but he's still superior to
> > you.
>
> How the hell do you work that one out?

I call it, 'paraphrasing."

> Seems you are as delusional as he is.

Saving your "A game" for Arny? Read again.

> Now he's going on about how he's upper class and therefore better than
> everybody else.

Hey, you can paraphrase too!

> The guy is paranoid delusional with an ego bigger than
> Orange County.

We have theories here, too.

> > Keep him busy, and off RAO!
>
> Keeping him out of real life would be better. He needs serious professional
> help.

Don't bug his church.

Stephen

Phildo

July 18th 05, 08:28 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
>> The guy is paranoid delusional with an ego bigger than
>> Orange County.
>
> We have theories here, too.

Those aren't theories, they're facts.

>> > Keep him busy, and off RAO!
>>
>> Keeping him out of real life would be better. He needs serious
>> professional
>> help.
>
> Don't bug his church.
>
Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are the best people to
give it to him. I'll be contacting his pastor later tonight.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 08:42 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
the
> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
pastor
> later tonight.

That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.

BTW Phildo, since its public knowlege, but not totally
obvious, why not post my pastor's phone number?

Phildo

July 18th 05, 09:08 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>
>
>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
> the
>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
> pastor
>> later tonight.
>
> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.

Oh well, I shall try him another time. Let him know I will be in touch.

> BTW Phildo, since its public knowlege, but not totally
> obvious, why not post my pastor's phone number?

You should know it's bad netiquette to do that Arny. Anyway, I shall try and
find an email address for him instead so I can send him some links to your
less-than-glorious moments on usenet. That way he can see for himself just
how badly you need help.

Phildo

Margaret von B.

July 18th 05, 09:08 PM

MINe 109

July 18th 05, 10:05 PM

In article >, "Phildo" >
wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> The guy is paranoid delusional with an ego bigger than
> >> Orange County.
> >
> > We have theories here, too.
>
> Those aren't theories, they're facts.

How much bigger than Orange County is his ego? Please be precise.

> >> > Keep him busy, and off RAO!
> >>
> >> Keeping him out of real life would be better. He needs serious
> >> professional
> >> help.
> >
> > Don't bug his church.
> >
> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are the best people to
> give it to him. I'll be contacting his pastor later tonight.

Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church already know
him.

Stephen

Phildo

July 18th 05, 10:16 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
>> >> Keeping him out of real life would be better. He needs serious
>> >> professional
>> >> help.
>> >
>> > Don't bug his church.
>> >
>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are the best people
>> to
>> give it to him. I'll be contacting his pastor later tonight.
>
> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church already know
> him.
>
Somehow I doubt it or else they'd have tried to help him already. My guess
is that none of them have a clue about his internet life. Is proving hard to
track down though so if anyone knows which church he worships at please let
me know.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 10:17 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >, "Phildo"
> > wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>
...

>>> Don't bug his church.
>>>
>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
the
>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
pastor
>> later tonight.
>
> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church
> already know him.

Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
attacking me in the outside world.

Phildo

July 18th 05, 10:23 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church
>> already know him.
>
> Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
> attacking me in the outside world.
>
We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and we are trying to get
you the help you so desperately need.

If you could admit the problem to yourself it would be a good start but
sadly you won't so we have to go to your friends to see if they can do
something. Maybe have you committed or get you to a psychiatrist, just until
you get well again.

You seeing it as an attack speaks volumes about how you know you have a
problem but cannot face dealing with it yourself. It's time to get help
Arny.

Phildo

George M. Middius

July 18th 05, 10:32 PM

Phildo said:

> Arny, you need serious professional health. Please get yourself to a shrink
> as soon as possible or get yourself committed.
>
> If enough of us get together can't we have him sectioned or something?

It might be more effective to persuade Turdy to explore the bottom of Lake
Superior. It's hard to imagine he's not sick of it all by now.

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 10:34 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>>
>>> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his
church
>>> already know him.
>>
>> Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
>> attacking me in the outside world.
>>
> We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and we
are
> trying to get you the help you so desperately need.

So Phildo, are you saying that you are trained to make these
kinds of determinations?

Phildo

July 18th 05, 10:52 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>> We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and we
> are
>> trying to get you the help you so desperately need.
>
> So Phildo, are you saying that you are trained to make these
> kinds of determinations?
>
No, as usual you are putting your words into somebody else's mouth.

In your case it is painfully obvious that you need help. You are mentally
ill Arny, get help, if not for your sake then for the people around you.

Phildo

Phildo

July 18th 05, 10:54 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast [dot] net> wrote
in message ...
>
>
> Phildo said:
>
>> Arny, you need serious professional health. Please get yourself to a
>> shrink
>> as soon as possible or get yourself committed.
>>
>> If enough of us get together can't we have him sectioned or something?
>
> It might be more effective to persuade Turdy to explore the bottom of Lake
> Superior. It's hard to imagine he's not sick of it all by now.
>
Nah, get him help. You never know, one day you too may go insane and someone
might do the same thing for you.

So, anyone know which church he's in or even narrow it down to a town or
district? Is taking me ages going through google. Jeez, Arny has posted some
crap in his time.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 10:54 PM

"George M. Middius" <cmndr [underscore] george [at] comcast
[dot] net> wrote in message

> Phildo said:
>
>> Arny, you need serious professional health. Please get
>> yourself to a shrink as soon as possible or get yourself
>> committed.

>> If enough of us get together can't we have him sectioned
or
>> something?

What is sectioning, Phildo?

> It might be more effective to persuade Turdy to explore
the
> bottom of Lake Superior.
]
Been there done that. Here's a clue George - its not all 500
feet deep.

>It's hard to imagine he's not sick of it all by now.

It's kind of interesting to see what kind of sickness
manifests itself next on RAO. We've had Phildo and Morien
melt down severely on the same day.

MINe 109

July 18th 05, 10:55 PM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >, "Phildo"
> > > wrote:
> >
> >> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> >>
> ...
>
> >>> Don't bug his church.
> >>>
> >> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
> the
> >> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
> pastor
> >> later tonight.
> >
> > Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church
> > already know him.
>
> Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
> attacking me in the outside world.

Perhaps if you reread the post to which I responded, you will find that
you are mistaken.

Stephen

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 10:57 PM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>> We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and
we
>> are
>>> trying to get you the help you so desperately need.
>>
>> So Phildo, are you saying that you are trained to make
these
>> kinds of determinations?
>>
> No, as usual you are putting your words into somebody
else's
> mouth.
>
> In your case it is painfully obvious that you need help.

Why?

Please explain?

Arny Krueger

July 18th 05, 10:58 PM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>

>>> In article >, "Phildo"
>>> > wrote:
>>>
>>>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>
...
>>
>>>>> Don't bug his church.
>>>>>
>>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those
are
>> the
>>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>> pastor
>>>> later tonight.

>>> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his
church
>>> already know him.

>> Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
>> attacking me in the outside world.

> Perhaps if you reread the post to which I responded, you
will
> find that you are mistaken.

Perhaps I find that you piled right onto it.

Phildo

July 18th 05, 11:01 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>> We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and
> we
>>> are
>>>> trying to get you the help you so desperately need.
>>>
>>> So Phildo, are you saying that you are trained to make
> these
>>> kinds of determinations?
>>>
>> No, as usual you are putting your words into somebody
> else's
>> mouth.
>>
>> In your case it is painfully obvious that you need help.
>
> Why?
>
> Please explain?
>
Arny, go back and read your posts over the last couple of days. It should
become very evident to anyone who does that you are seriously mentally ill
and need help. If you can't see that you need help then ask someone else to
read your posts and get their opinion. Do you really think all those people
that posted against you can possibly be wrong? Does the fact that not one
single person stepped in to defend you not tell you something?

Please Arny, get help while you still can.

Phildo

George M. Middius

July 18th 05, 11:24 PM

Phildo said:

> So, anyone know which church he's in or even narrow it down to a town or
> district? Is taking me ages going through google. Jeez, Arny has posted some
> crap in his time.

I think you're spinning your wheels, but if you search the RAO posts in the
Google archive, you'll find out the truth.

George M. Middius

July 18th 05, 11:25 PM

MINe 109 said:

> > > Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his church
> > > already know him.
> >
> > Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
> > attacking me in the outside world.
>
> Perhaps if you reread the post to which I responded, you will find that
> you are mistaken.

Sorry, Krooger is on a "debating trade" roll now. Facts be damned, and full
snot ahead!

MINe 109

July 19th 05, 12:09 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
> > In article >,
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
> >
> >> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> >>
>
> >>> In article >, "Phildo"
> >>> > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> >>>>
> >>
> ...
> >>
> >>>>> Don't bug his church.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those
> are
> >> the
> >>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
> >> pastor
> >>>> later tonight.
>
> >>> Keep it in the sandbox. I'm sure the people at his
> church
> >>> already know him.
>
> >> Oh come on Stephen, you turned him onto the idea of
> >> attacking me in the outside world.
>
> > Perhaps if you reread the post to which I responded, you
> will
> > find that you are mistaken.
>
> Perhaps I find that you piled right onto it.

I do not think he should try to make trouble for you in real life and I
said as much.

Rereading the thread, I see that his stated intent to call your pastor
was in a different post than that to which I responded. Be that as it
may, you are still mistaken if you think the idea originated with me.

Stephen

Phildo

July 19th 05, 01:57 AM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> I do not think he should try to make trouble for you in real life and I
> said as much.

Why is it you and Arny see it as making trouble for him in real life? He is
sick and this is the best way to get him the help he needs.

Phildo

Phildo

July 19th 05, 02:11 AM

MINe 109

July 19th 05, 02:13 AM

In article >, "Phildo" >
wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I do not think he should try to make trouble for you in real life and I
> > said as much.
>
> Why is it you and Arny see it as making trouble for him in real life? He is
> sick and this is the best way to get him the help he needs.

The first is an opinion shared by many; the second is not.

Stephen

Phildo

July 19th 05, 02:17 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message news:...
>>
>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
>> the
>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>> pastor
>>> later tonight.
>>
>> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
>> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.
>>
> So if I were to call your house on 313-XXX-9307 I would get hold of him
> would I Arny?
>
> I deleted 3 digits this time to save some of your fans on here from being
> able to call you at home.
>
Don't worry Arny, I managed to get Rev. Matthew Swiatek's number, email
address and everything. I'll put together a sort of "greatest hits" package
from your recent posts and see if we can't get you the help you so
desperately need.

Phildo

Phildo

July 19th 05, 02:28 AM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Phildo" >
> wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I do not think he should try to make trouble for you in real life and I
>> > said as much.
>>
>> Why is it you and Arny see it as making trouble for him in real life? He
>> is
>> sick and this is the best way to get him the help he needs.
>
> The first is an opinion shared by many; the second is not.
>
Well, it doesn't matter now. I have all the details I need and am putting
together a package of some of the most glaring examples of Arnyisms along
with a nice letter to his pastor explaining how he is seriously mentally ill
and should really be committed or sectioned if they have to. Maybe that way
he'll get the help he needs andcan become a decent member of society again,
both on and offline.

Have to say though, the paedophilia bits are REALLY going to open the eyes
of his pastor.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:30 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those
are
>> the
>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>> pastor
>>> later tonight.
>>
>> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
>> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.
>>
> So if I were to call your house on 313-XXX-9307 I would
get
> hold of him would I Arny?

Nope, we went to a resturant - his treat.

> I deleted 3 digits this time to save some of your fans on
here
> from being able to call you at home.

Save it Phildo, that number is exceedingly well-known - its
on my web page.

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:36 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>>> We're not attacking you Arny. You are mentally ill and
we
>>>>> are trying to get you the help you so desperately
need.
>>>>
>>>> So Phildo, are you saying that you are trained to make
>> these
>>>> kinds of determinations?
>>>>
>>> No, as usual you are putting your words into somebody
>> else's
>>> mouth.
>>>
>>> In your case it is painfully obvious that you need help.
>>
>> Why?
>>
>> Please explain?
>>
> Arny, go back and read your posts over the last couple of
> days. It should become very evident to anyone who does
that
> you are seriously mentally ill and need help.

Phildo, anybody who stalks people across Usenet groups and
threatens to make trouble for them in the real world is
well-known and generally agreed-upon to be way over the
edge, and generally a sick puppy.

Sound familiar?

So far a number of RAO regulars have stalked me accross
Usnent, sued me in their state courts, reported me to my
local police as a pedophile and stalked my house. Then
there's the ever-popular try to use my son's tragic death a
few years back against me, which happened for the 564th time
this morning.

So Phildo, on my scale of Usenet weirdos, you're only about
a 5. But you seem to have a lot of enthusiasm for revenge,
so we'll see where you go next. ;-)

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:37 AM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> Rereading the thread, I see that his stated intent to call
> your pastor was in a different post than that to which I
> responded. Be that as it may, you are still mistaken if
you
> think the idea originated with me.

I'll take that at face value. I apologize for suggesting
that your intents were less than honorable.

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:38 AM

"MINe 109" > wrote in message

> In article >, "Phildo"
> > wrote:
>
>> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>>
...
>>> I do not think he should try to make trouble for you in
real
>>> life and I said as much.
>>
>> Why is it you and Arny see it as making trouble for him
in
>> real life? He is sick and this is the best way to get him
the
>> help he needs.
>
> The first is an opinion shared by many; the second is not.

Just hold your breath for Stephen to suggest that Middius.
Margaret, or Roy are a little off their rockers.

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:39 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> Don't worry Arny, I managed to get Rev. Matthew Swiatek's
> number, email address and everything. I'll put together a
sort
> of "greatest hits" package from your recent posts and see
if
> we can't get you the help you so desperately need.

Thanks a lot, Phildo. I'm sure this is a big day for you.

Phildo

July 19th 05, 02:41 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Phildo, anybody who stalks people across Usenet groups and
> threatens to make trouble for them in the real world is
> well-known and generally agreed-upon to be way over the
> edge, and generally a sick puppy.

When are you going to realise Arny that I am not trying to cause trouble for
you? You are the sick one here and I am trying to get you the help you need
since you cannot even admit to yourself that you have a problem. Maybe
pastor Mat will be able to help.

Phildo

Phildo

July 19th 05, 02:43 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Don't worry Arny, I managed to get Rev. Matthew Swiatek's
>> number, email address and everything. I'll put together a
> sort
>> of "greatest hits" package from your recent posts and see
> if
>> we can't get you the help you so desperately need.
>
> Thanks a lot, Phildo. I'm sure this is a big day for you.
>
It should be a big day for you. Finally you will be able to get the help you
so badly need and then you can come back and be a productive part of the
usenet community.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 02:57 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Phildo, anybody who stalks people across Usenet groups
and
>> threatens to make trouble for them in the real world is
>> well-known and generally agreed-upon to be way over the
>> edge, and generally a sick puppy.

> When are you going to realise Arny that I am not trying to
> cause trouble for you?

When you clean up your act, Phildo.

>You are the sick one here and I am
> trying to get you the help you need since you cannot even
> admit to yourself that you have a problem.

Phildo, go for it.

> Maybe pastor Mat will be able to help.

Maybe he and I will have a prayer meeting for you, Phildo.
After all, I was just trying to point out how you are
overcome with hatred and bias, and then you start doing all
this weird stuff. It's not my fault that George was so quick
to finger you, Phildo.

ScottW

July 19th 05, 03:03 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Rereading the thread, I see that his stated intent to call
>> your pastor was in a different post than that to which I
>> responded. Be that as it may, you are still mistaken if
> you
>> think the idea originated with me.
>
> I'll take that at face value. I apologize for suggesting
> that your intents were less than honorable.

Wow... the positive steps are flowing fast and furious
now. Good one!

ScottW
>
>

Phildo

July 19th 05, 03:11 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Phildo, anybody who stalks people across Usenet groups
> and
>>> threatens to make trouble for them in the real world is
>>> well-known and generally agreed-upon to be way over the
>>> edge, and generally a sick puppy.
>
>> When are you going to realise Arny that I am not trying to
>> cause trouble for you?
>
> When you clean up your act, Phildo.

Admitting to yourself that you have a problem is the hardest step Arny and I
can well see why you are having trouble coming to terms with the fact you
are less than stable mentally. Has the stress been too much for you of late?

>>You are the sick one here and I am
>> trying to get you the help you need since you cannot even
>> admit to yourself that you have a problem.
>
> Phildo, go for it.

Already have done.

>> Maybe pastor Mat will be able to help.
>
> Maybe he and I will have a prayer meeting for you, Phildo.

Why? I certainly don't have a problem and do not share your faith so it
won't do me any good. The sooner you can realise the problem is with you
Arny, the sooner you can get well again.

> After all, I was just trying to point out how you are
> overcome with hatred and bias, and then you start doing all
> this weird stuff. It's not my fault that George was so quick
> to finger you, Phildo.

Again, admitting that you have a problem is the hardest step Arny and once
you stop focussing on the faults of others and take a long hard look at
yourself you will find many things about you that are far from normal and
that you need help and serious medication/counselling to put right. Just for
once take a look at yourself, read your own posts, step back from the
arguments and ask yourself is what you are doing the sort of thing a sane
person would do? I know it will take a lot of courage which is why I am
asking your friends to help you through it but for once focus on you and get
yourself better.

Phildo

Arny Krueger

July 19th 05, 03:22 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Phildo, anybody who stalks people across Usenet groups
>> and
>>>> threatens to make trouble for them in the real world is
>>>> well-known and generally agreed-upon to be way over the
>>>> edge, and generally a sick puppy.
>>
>>> When are you going to realise Arny that I am not trying
to
>>> cause trouble for you?
>>
>> When you clean up your act, Phildo.

<no answer a direct question, no evidence that Phildo takes
any responsibility for his actions>

MINe 109

July 19th 05, 03:37 AM

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
>
>
> > Rereading the thread, I see that his stated intent to call
> > your pastor was in a different post than that to which I
> > responded. Be that as it may, you are still mistaken if
> you
> > think the idea originated with me.
>
> I'll take that at face value. I apologize for suggesting
> that your intents were less than honorable.

Thank you.

Stephen

Margaret von B.

July 19th 05, 03:40 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
>> the
>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>> pastor
>>> later tonight.
>>
>> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
>> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.
>>
> So if I were to call your house on 313-XXX-9307 I would get hold of him
> would I Arny?
>
> I deleted 3 digits this time to save some of your fans on here from being
> able to call you at home.
>

Dear Phildo,

Just some friendly advice. You need to regroup and rethink your plan of
attack. You obviously think that you dropped a bomb there, but you did not.
If this is any indication of how you plan on domesticating the Krooborg,
you're way out of your league. You'll be shredded like a little lamb in a
wolfpack. I recommend that, at the very least, you study some RAO history
going back 5-6 years. That Ph is in danger of turning into D in a hurry.
Welcome to RAO!

Cheers,

Margaret

Clyde Slick

July 19th 05, 05:32 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "tubeguy" > wrote in message
> . ..
>>I have met him and he is a good guy. I like him. What your collective bent
>>about this guy is I do not understand. Arnie is a good guy and does not
>>deserve the bashing any group has given him.
>>
> take a look over on news:alt.audio.pro.live-sound where Arny is regarded
> as nothing more than a blowhard and where he's completely humiliated
> himself over the last couple of days.
>
> Suffice to say his name is mud over there and with good reason. His
> infamous "FOH" post has to be seen to be believed.
>
> Phildo
>

"FOH" is where Arnie's foundation wall crack is located.

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Clyde Slick

July 19th 05, 05:34 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>. Now he's trying to tell us he's done sound for Dave Brubeck and the
>Village People.
>

Arny made another typo. It was the Village Idiots.

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Clyde Slick

July 19th 05, 05:41 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Phildo" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
>> the
>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>> pastor
>>> later tonight.
>>
>> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
>> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.
>>
> So if I were to call your house on 313-XXX-9307 I would get hold of him
> would I Arny?
>
> I deleted 3 digits this time to save some of your fans on here from being
> able to call you at home.
>
> Phildo
>

Please email me a copy of the tape!

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Clyde Slick

July 19th 05, 05:42 AM

"Phildo" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Phildo" > wrote in message news:...
>>>
>>>> Nah, much as I hate him, the guy needs help and those are
>>> the
>>>> best people to give it to him. I'll be contacting his
>>> pastor
>>>> later tonight.
>>>
>>> That's going to be hard for Phildo to do since I'm having
>>> dinner with him (the pastor) tonight.
>>>
>> So if I were to call your house on 313-XXX-9307 I would get hold of him
>> would I Arny?
>>
>> I deleted 3 digits this time to save some of your fans on here from being
>> able to call you at home.
>>
> Don't worry Arny, I managed to get Rev. Matthew Swiatek's number, email
> address and everything. I'll put together a sort of "greatest hits"
> package from your recent posts and see if we can't get you the help you so
> desperately need.
>
> Phildo

Rev. Wickes tried to help him, but couldn't.

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