What Corey Greenburg Learned From His Days At Stereophile? ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3110-2005Apr19.html

Firms Paid TV's Tech Gurus To Promote Their Products

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Wednesday, April 20, 2005; Page C01

Corey Greenberg, tech editor for NBC's "Today" show, appeared last
July to praise Apple's iPod as "a great portable musical player . . .
the coolest-looking one" and suggested a compatible device to "share
your music with other people." "This is the way to go," he declared.

"Let's cut the Apple commercial here right now, okay?" co-host Matt
Lauer interjected.



Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street Journal.

[Robert Morein]

I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
misconduct.
Does anyone remember the details?


"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3110-2005Apr19.html
>
> Firms Paid TV's Tech Gurus To Promote Their Products
>
> By Howard Kurtz
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, April 20, 2005; Page C01
>
> Corey Greenberg, tech editor for NBC's "Today" show, appeared last
> July to praise Apple's iPod as "a great portable musical player . . .
> the coolest-looking one" and suggested a compatible device to "share
> your music with other people." "This is the way to go," he declared.
>
> "Let's cut the Apple commercial here right now, okay?" co-host Matt
> Lauer interjected.
>
>
>
> Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
> yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
> Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
> Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
> shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street Journal.
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

Robert Morein wrote:

> I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
> misconduct.

He wasn't dropped that hard bt SP - they still have articles on their
site that mention him favorably.

> Does anyone remember the details?

I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.

[John Atkinson]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Robert Morein wrote:
> > I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
> > misconduct.
>
> He wasn't dropped that hard bt SP - they still have articles on
> their site that mention him favorably.

Corey Greenberg (not "burg") left Stereophile in 1994. He wanted/needed
more money/responsibility; I wasn't in the position to give him either.
His final review was of the Snell Type C/V loudspeaker in November
1994.

> I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.

He left Stereophile to join Home Theater magazine, then Sound & Vision,
then Audio where he was the final editor in chief before that
magazine's demise.

Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner. You are
welcome, of course, to raise this question at next Friday's debate in
New York, if you think it relevant.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

John Atkinson wrote:

> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> Robert Morein wrote:

>>> I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
>>> misconduct.

>> He wasn't dropped that hard by SP - they still have articles on
>> their site that mention him favorably.

> Corey Greenberg (not "burg") left Stereophile in 1994. He
> wanted/needed more money/responsibility; I wasn't in the position to
> give him either. His final review was of the Snell Type C/V
> loudspeaker in November 1994.

>> I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.

Seems like John is agreeing with this.

> He left Stereophile to join Home Theater magazine, then Sound &
> Vision, then Audio where he was the final editor in chief before
that
> magazine's demise.

There's probably some irony in that. The ragazine didn't die for lack
of subjectivism on the part of the editor.

> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner. You are
> welcome, of course, to raise this question at next Friday's debate
in
> New York, if you think it relevant.

Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)

My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.

[George M. Middius]

John Atkinson said:

> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner. You are
> welcome, of course, to raise this question at next Friday's debate in
> New York, if you think it relevant.

Attempt to scare Arnii ****less noted. Rubbing Krooger's snout in his
impotency noted. Illumination of Krooger's inability to discern relevance
noted.

;-)

[dave weil]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)

Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?

[Lionel]

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>
> Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?

Slander concerns persons not magazine.
Have you noted the interrogation point at the end of the sentence ?

I hope you are a better waiter than prosecutor... ;-)

Slander :
noun: words falsely spoken that damage the reputation of another
noun: an abusive attack on a person's character or good name
verb: charge falsely or with malicious intent; attack the good name and
reputation of someone

[Arny Krueger]

Lionel wrote:
> In >, dave weil wrote :
>
>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>
>> Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?
>
> Slander concerns persons not magazine.

Yup Weil stumbles over the difference between slander and libel.

> Have you noted the interrogation point at the end of the sentence ?

No doubt, but if he admitted it he would have nothing to whine about.

> I hope you are a better waiter than prosecutor... ;-)

Don't bet on it. Remember, he's still a wage slave.

[dave weil]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:52:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>Lionel wrote:
>> In >, dave weil wrote :
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>>
>>> Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?
>>
>> Slander concerns persons not magazine.
>
>Yup Weil stumbles over the difference between slander and libel.

This is correct. Lionel busted me for the wrong thing. I guess he's
having an off-day, even though he was johnny-on-the-spot like a good
doggy.

>> Have you noted the interrogation point at the end of the sentence ?
>
>No doubt, but if he admitted it he would have nothing to whine about.

Oh, I saw it. But it was about as meaningful as the smarmy-winky at
the end.

Both of you missed the word "implied" anyway. Admitting the presence
of that word would be admitting that you were whining about nothing.

>> I hope you are a better waiter than prosecutor... ;-)
>
>Don't bet on it. Remember, he's still a wage slave.

Well, at least I'm not your toady and conduit like Lionel. Now THAT'S
a job that nobody should have to suffer.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Lionel wrote:
> > In >, dave weil wrote :
> >
> >> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
> >>
> >> Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?
> >
> > Slander concerns persons not magazine.
>
> Yup Weil stumbles over the difference between slander and libel.
>
> > Have you noted the interrogation point at the end of the sentence ?
>
> No doubt, but if he admitted it he would have nothing to whine
about.
>
> > I hope you are a better waiter than prosecutor... ;-)
>
> Don't bet on it. Remember, he's still a wage slave.


As opposed to a spouse spounge?



Scott Wheeler

[Lionel]

Arny Krueger a écrit :

> Don't bet on it. Remember, he's still a wage slave.


He is too burlesque, I've a lot of fun with him.
Since you don't answer anymore to his sterile provocations,
Dave is suffering kind of verbal incontinency crisis...

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:52:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Lionel wrote:
>>
>>>In >, dave weil wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>
>
>>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?
>>>
>>>Slander concerns persons not magazine.
>>
>>Yup Weil stumbles over the difference between slander and libel.
>
>
> This is correct. Lionel busted me.


Nearly everyday now... Seems that you like it, eh pervert ?


> I guess he's
> having an off-day.

You guess wrong, lackey.

Have you finished the homework I gave you ?

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Lionel wrote:
>> In >, dave weil wrote :
>>
>>> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 07:20:55 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>>
>>> Yes, implied public slander is sooooo much fun, right Arnold?
>>
>> Slander concerns persons not magazine.
>
> Yup Weil stumbles over the difference between slander and libel.
>
>> Have you noted the interrogation point at the end of the sentence ?
>
> No doubt, but if he admitted it he would have nothing to whine about.
>
>> I hope you are a better waiter than prosecutor... ;-)
>
> Don't bet on it. Remember, he's still a wage slave.
>

Better than being a welfare slug like you.
Tell us why you haven't worked in years.
When did you leave Chrysler?
What were the circumstances?
Ah!, so in your 'better' years, you were
a wage slave!



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[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:52:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
> Well, at least I'm not your toady and conduit like Lionel. Now THAT'S
> a job that nobody should have to suffer.
>

What is worse, that, or inspecting sewers?



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[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> > Well, at least I'm not your toady and conduit like Lionel. Now THAT'S
> > a job that nobody should have to suffer.

> What is worse, that, or inspecting sewers?

Sluttie may work in a sewer, but Arnii goes there for dinner.

[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> Better than being a welfare slug like you.
> Tell us why you haven't worked in years.
> When did you leave Chrysler?
> What were the circumstances?
> Ah!, so in your 'better' years, you were
> a wage slave!


I'd like to know how Arnii learned he had been sacked. Did they serve him
at home, or just deactivate his key card? Did they send security to his
desk or a court-appointed shrink to his home?

[Margaret von B.]

"John Atkinson" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Robert Morein wrote:
>> > I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
>> > misconduct.
>>
>> He wasn't dropped that hard bt SP - they still have articles on
>> their site that mention him favorably.
>
> Corey Greenberg (not "burg") left Stereophile in 1994. He wanted/needed
> more money/responsibility; I wasn't in the position to give him either.
> His final review was of the Snell Type C/V loudspeaker in November
> 1994.
>
>> I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.
>
> He left Stereophile to join Home Theater magazine, then Sound & Vision,
> then Audio where he was the final editor in chief before that
> magazine's demise.
>
> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner.

Really John? Who?

Cheers,

Margaret

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
> yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
> Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
> Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
> shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street Journal.

I find this to be very amusing information.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>
> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.

Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
me, too, while you are at it.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

John Atkinson wrote:

> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner.

John prefers that his magazine's contributors simply be
deluded, rather than be crafty opportunists like Mr.
Greenberg.

Ironically, given that Mr. Atkinson must certainly be aware
of the fact that many of his reviewers spout claptrap during
reviews and thereby mislead readers, and given that his
impressionable and often deluded readers very often like to
read claptrap and be misled and would cancel their
subscriptions if the magazine took a more rational approach
to evaluating wires, amps, and CD players, just how is he
more ethical than Mr. Greenberg?

Perhaps he keeps those phonies on the payroll, because
without them the magazine would lose subscribers.

Of course, I could be wrong about all of this. Maybe he is
as deluded as those contributors.

Hey, John, just kidding. Have a nice day.

Howard Ferstler

[George M. Middius]

Brother Horace tries to stick his hand in the alligator's maw.

> Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
> to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
> me, too, while you are at it.

I hope Arnii listens to you, Clerkie. You're one of the only friends he
has left.

Arnii, if your antenna are extended, try to ignore the carrier beam.
Instead, focus on the coded message. Time is getting perilously short for
you. Needless to say, Harold might be cheering for you, but when the
shooting starts, he'll be nowhere to be found.

[ScottW]

Why don't you attend?

ScottW

[Tom]

"John Atkinson" > wrote

> ...........You are
> welcome, of course, to raise this question at next Friday's debate in
> New York,


Will this debate be broadcast live or recorded for later distribution?

[Clyde Slick]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
>> > Well, at least I'm not your toady and conduit like Lionel. Now THAT'S
>> > a job that nobody should have to suffer.
>
>> What is worse, that, or inspecting sewers?
>
> Sluttie may work in a sewer, but Arnii goes there for dinner.
>

As his own website says, he is chief cook and bottle washer.



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[Robert Morein]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> John Atkinson wrote:
>
[snip]
>
> > Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the answer
> > is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner. You are
> > welcome, of course, to raise this question at next Friday's debate
> in
> > New York, if you think it relevant.
>
> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>
Oh, great.
We get to see them take it out on stage.

[Robert Morein]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> > Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
> > yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
> > Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
> > Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
> > shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street Journal.
>
> I find this to be very amusing information.
>
> Howard Ferstler

Jealous at how much he's getting?

[Arny Krueger]

Howard Ferstler wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>
>> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.
>
> Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
> to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
> me, too, while you are at it.

No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual sweet self,
which is to say pompus to the point of being overbearning.

[Arny Krueger]

Margaret von B. wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>>> I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
>>>> misconduct.
>>>
>>> He wasn't dropped that hard bt SP - they still have articles on
>>> their site that mention him favorably.
>>
>> Corey Greenberg (not "burg") left Stereophile in 1994. He
>> wanted/needed more money/responsibility; I wasn't in the position
to
>> give him either. His final review was of the Snell Type C/V
>> loudspeaker in November 1994.
>>
>>> I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.
>>
>> He left Stereophile to join Home Theater magazine, then Sound &
>> Vision, then Audio where he was the final editor in chief before
that
>> magazine's demise.
>>
>> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the
answer
>> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner.
>
> Really John? Who?

Great question - don't hold your breath for the answer!

[Arny Krueger]

Robert Morein wrote:
> "Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>>> Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
>>> yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as
Sony,
>>> Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
>>> Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on
news
>>> shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street
>>> Journal.
>>
>> I find this to be very amusing information.
>>
>> Howard Ferstler
>
> Jealous at how much he's getting?

IMO, howard is probabably just pleased to see a fraud get his
comeuppance.

[George M. Middius]

A sliver of self-awareness from the Krooborg?

> IMO, howard is probabably just pleased to see a fraud get his
> comeuppance.

Now you've got it, Arnii. Except in your case, "fraud" isn't quite the
right word. Perhaps "deranged egomaniac who rants uncontrollably on
Usenet" would be closer.

Have you decided which excuse you're going to use for not showing up?

[John Atkinson]

Tom wrote:
> "John Atkinson" > wrote
> > You are welcome, of course, to raise this question at next
> > Friday's debate in New York,
>
> Will this debate be broadcast live or recorded for later
> distribution?

Our original plan was to webcast it live, but the logistics are
problematic. The debate will be recorded and the unedited recording
streamed from www.stereophile.com.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[[email protected]]

Jesus Christ, would somebody please remind me never to post anything on
this group, unless of course I happen to be in an extremely masochistic
mood?

[Lionel]

a écrit :

> Jesus Christ,

It's not enough ! Don't you know somebody else ?

> would somebody please remind me never to post anything on
> this group, unless of course I happen to be in an extremely masochistic
> mood?

Goooood !
I'm sure that this day we will have a lot of fun. ;-)

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 09:52:29 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>wrote:
>>
>>Well, at least I'm not your toady and conduit like Lionel. Now THAT'S
>>a job that nobody should have to suffer.
>>
>
>
> What is worse, that, or inspecting sewers?

Nothing is worse than to be you, little old pederast !

:-D

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> IMO, howard is probabably just pleased to see a fraud get his
> comeuppance.
>

If irony could plagiarize itself.



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[Tom]

> wrote
> Jesus Christ, would somebody please remind me never to post anything on
> this group, unless of course I happen to be in an extremely masochistic
> mood?
>

What's the problem, Bob?

[dave weil]

On Thu, 21 Apr 2005 22:01:43 -0400, Howard Ferstler
> wrote:

>Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>
>> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.
>
>Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
>to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
>me, too, while you are at it.

Boy, envy is a nasty thing indeed...

[Tom]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote

> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
> up as he is able to. I''ll try to be my usual sweet self, but you know
> how I can be pompus to the point of being overbearning.


Are you going to be an asshole when you meet face to face?
I know John is a nice guy. I heard you were a regular guy in
person as well - although this is difficult to imagine. You know
if you want to have any credibility next Friday, regular and nice
will go a lot further than pompous and overbearing as you
mention above.

[Tom]

"John Atkinson" > wrote...
>
> Tom wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote
>> > You are welcome, of course, to raise this question at next
>> > Friday's debate in New York,
>>
>> Will this debate be broadcast live or recorded for later
>> distribution?
>
> Our original plan was to webcast it live, but the logistics are
> problematic. The debate will be recorded and the unedited recording
> streamed from www.stereophile.com.

Can you record every minute of your togetherness? We'd like to
see the "meet and greet", the friendly chats, the dinners, the nightcaps,
etc. Could you please hire a full time documentary photographer?

[Lionel]

Tom a écrit :
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote
>
>
>>No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
>>up as he is able to. I''ll try to be my usual sweet self, but you know
>>how I can be pompus to the point of being overbearning.
>
>
>
> Are you going to be an asshole when you meet face to face?
> I know John is a nice guy. I heard you were a regular guy in
> person as well - although this is difficult to imagine. You know
> if you want to have any credibility next Friday, regular and nice
> will go a lot further than pompous and overbearing as you
> mention above.

Unfortunatly most of pepole here are anxiously waiting a
nice scuffle.
IMHO you are an honest guy Tom. I'm sincerely sorry if I
have been unpleasant with you sometime.

[Arny Krueger]

Tom wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote
>
>> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind
me
>> up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual sweet
self,
>> which is to say pompus to the point of being overbearning.

> Is Atkinson going to be an asshole when you meet face to face?

That's a strange question to ask.

> I know John is an two-faced prick.

I've suspected as much, but thanks for the heads up

> I heard you were a regular guy in person.

Thank you!

>You know
> if you want to have any credibility next Friday, regular and nice
> will go a lot further than pompous and overbearing as you
> mention above.

I'm counting on it!

[dave weil]

On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote

>> I know John is an two-faced prick.

I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.

[severian]

Once a whore, always a whore...

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A3110-2005Apr19.html
>
> Firms Paid TV's Tech Gurus To Promote Their Products
>
> By Howard Kurtz
> Washington Post Staff Writer
> Wednesday, April 20, 2005; Page C01
>
> Corey Greenberg, tech editor for NBC's "Today" show, appeared last
> July to praise Apple's iPod as "a great portable musical player . . .
> the coolest-looking one" and suggested a compatible device to "share
> your music with other people." "This is the way to go," he declared.
>
> "Let's cut the Apple commercial here right now, okay?" co-host Matt
> Lauer interjected.
>
>
>
> Lauer was onto something. Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
> yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
> Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
> Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
> shows. The contracts were first disclosed by the Wall Street Journal.
>
>

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote
>
>
>>>I know John is an two-faced prick.
>
>
> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.

If they are *real* good christian surely nothing...

....*But* if they are old hippies full of bias and
psychotropic drugs who knows ?

[John Atkinson]

dave weil wrote:
> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote
> >> I know John is an two-faced prick.
>
> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.

I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote that
I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject comes up
next Friday. :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Robert Morein]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > IMO, howard is probabably just pleased to see a fraud get his
> > comeuppance.
> >
>
> If irony could plagiarize itself.
>
Ironically, irony can plagiarize itself.

[Arny Krueger]

John Atkinson wrote:
> dave weil wrote:

>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>
>> wrote:

>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote

No, Tom wrote what follows below, just as surely as I said:

"I'll try to be my usual sweet self, but you know how I can be pompus
to the point of being overbearning."

This clearly must be a perfect quote of what I said, since that's what
Tom quoted me saying in his post.

>>>> I know John is an two-faced prick.

>> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.

> I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote that
> I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject comes up
> next Friday. :-)

Don't take it personally, John. The point is that Tom had lots of fun
forging neat things for me say in his reply to my post. So since he
obviously thinks this is excellent form, I thought it would be
appropriate to return the honor.

[EddieM]

> ScottW wrote
>
>
>
> Why don't you attend?
>
> ScottW


He got no more money. He spent all his extra savings buying up
treated woods for his house addition project last year. His wife
said that if he spend another dollar for audio related expense,
she'll cut off his one remaining ball while he's asleep.

This is the reason he can't elaborate when ask if he's going
to attend.

[Lionel]

Robert Morein a écrit :
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>IMO, howard is probabably just pleased to see a fraud get his
>>>comeuppance.
>>>
>>
>>If irony could plagiarize itself.
>>
>
> Ironically, irony can plagiarize itself.

Unfortunatly that's often the case when Sackman exprimes his
point of view.

;-)

[George M. Middius]

Tom said:

> > Jesus Christ

> What's the problem, Bob?

I know! I know!

[George M. Middius]

John Atkinson said:

> > I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>
> I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote that
> I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject comes up
> next Friday. :-)

Arnii would love to meet somebody who's a two-headed prick.

[George M. Middius]

Tom said:

> Can you record every minute of your togetherness? We'd like to
> see the "meet and greet", the friendly chats, the dinners, the nightcaps,
> etc. Could you please hire a full time documentary photographer?

Good suggestion. I'd like to see what happens when Arnii gets his check
from Stereophile, especially if it's in the amount of $1000.

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> dave weil a écrit :
>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote
>>
>>
>>>>I know John is an two-faced prick.
>>
>>
>> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>
> If they are *real* good christian surely nothing...
>
> ...*But* if they are old hippies full of bias and psychotropic drugs who
> knows ?

Is Box of Rain in their repetoire?



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[Clyde Slick]

"EddieM" > wrote in message
...
>
>. His wife
> said that if he spend another dollar for audio related expense,
> she'll cut off his one remaining ball while he's asleep.
>

That softie is in no way related to his wrecking ball.



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[Lionel]

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>>>I know John is an two-faced prick.
>>>
>>>
>>>I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>>
>>If they are *real* good christian surely nothing...
>>
>>...*But* if they are old hippies full of bias and psychotropic drugs who
>>knows ?
>
>
> Is Box of Rain in their repetoire?

Sorry I was not speaking about Jewish miscreants who are
wearing a "yalmake" in pure hypocrisy (lack of character ?)...

;-)

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>"Arny Krueger" > wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>I know John is an two-faced prick.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>>>
>>>If they are *real* good christian surely nothing...
>>>
>>>...*But* if they are old hippies full of bias and psychotropic drugs who
>>>knows ?
>>
>>
>> Is Box of Rain in their repetoire?
>
> Sorry I was not speaking about Jewish miscreants who are wearing a
> "yalmake" in pure hypocrisy (lack of character ?)...
>

Garciastein?



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[Tom]

"Lionel" > wrote
>
> Unfortunatly most of pepole here are anxiously waiting a nice scuffle.
> IMHO you are an honest guy Tom. I'm sincerely sorry if I have been
> unpleasant with you sometime.

Honestly, I've met a lot of the folks who post here. I've met
a few of Arny's friends. Every single person I've met has been
nice. I suspect that when Arny and John meet, things will be
friendly. I don't see Arny treating John with the disrespect
he's so free with here. But I wish I could be there to see it.
I look forward to watching the video.

Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.

John - when do you expect to have the recording online?

[Arny Krueger]

Tom wrote:

> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.

Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles, given
that I am one? You really have your head where the sun shines not,
don't you?

[George M. Middius]

The Krooborg tries some of his "debating trade" shtick.

> > Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
> > front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.

> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles, given
> that I am one?

That's "given", Arnii? The only way it could be given to you is
involuntarily. What is known is that you hate music, and that is the
reason human beings adopt audiophilia as a hobby. Furthermore, your idea
of audio equipment is quaint -- you can't tell real gear from that random
collection of parts and junk you wallow in.

You're as much an audiophile as Ferstler is a logician.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Tom wrote:
>
>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
>
> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles, given
> that I am one? You really have your head where the sun shines not,
> don't you?
>
>

Yes, Arny will be very nice.



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[Arny Krueger]

George M. Middius wrote:
> The Krooborg tries some of his "debating trade" shtick.
>
>>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
>>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
>
>> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles,
given
>> that I am one?
>
> That's "given", Arnii?

In the non-Middius-domianted parts of the world, yes.

> The only way it could be given to you is involuntarily.

Admittedly, I took it.

> What is known is that you hate music,

Which is why I spend about 8 hours a week rehearsing, controlling the
amplification of, and recording music. I hate music so much! ;-)

>and that is the reason human beings adopt audiophilia as a hobby.

Works for me.

>Furthermore, your
> idea of audio equipment is quaint -- you can't tell real gear from
> that random collection of parts and junk you wallow in.

Say George since you are such an expert about my tastes in audio, why
not list the components of the last audio system I listened to for a
number of hours.

> You're as much an audiophile as Ferstler is a logician.

Red herring debating trade irrelevant interjection.

George, This isn't about Ferstler, its about you and me.

[George M. Middius]

Ugh! Ick! Gross!

> > You're as much an audiophile as Ferstler is a logician.

> George, This isn't about Ferstler, its about

Its what is about? And what do "This" and "its" refer to? Are you
Kroolucinating again, or did you get arrested for murder?

> you and me.

There's no "you and me", you vile pile of doo-doo. How grotesque you are.

[severian]

Just in case anyone is still interested in the original topic, the thing
that originally put CG on the skids with Stereophile was that he wrote a
piece or pieces (been a while) for another magazine, when he had an
agreement with Stereophile to be exclusive to them. From the talk at the
time, he did not tell JA about this, and it appeared that he didn't because
he knew it wouldn't be approved. This led to a big brouhaha where he
demanded more money for his continued "loyalty" to which Sphile told him to
go pound sand.


"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tom wrote:
> >
> >> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
> >> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
> >
> > Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles, given
> > that I am one? You really have your head where the sun shines not,
> > don't you?
> >
> >
>
> Yes, Arny will be very nice.
>
>
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[Rui Pedro Mendes Salgueiro]

Arny Krueger > wrote:
> > Arny, regarding that upcoming debate,

> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
> up as he is able to.

I fear that he will suceed.

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[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

>
> Which is why I spend about 8 hours a week rehearsing, controlling the
> amplification of, and recording music. I hate music so much! ;-)
>

No, you just like playing with knobs!



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[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> No, you just like playing with knobs!

Not as much as he likes reliving the death of a family member.

[Tom]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote
> Tom wrote:
>
>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
>
> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles, given
> that I am one? You really have your head where the sun shines not,
> don't you?


You're not an audiophile Arny. You're a measurement dweeb.

"Hey - this might sound good. Let's measure the FR!"

[Howard Ferstler]

"George M. Middius" wrote:
>
> Brother Horace tries to stick his hand in the alligator's maw.
>
> > Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
> > to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
> > me, too, while you are at it.
>
> I hope Arnii listens to you, Clerkie. You're one of the only friends he
> has left.

I have lots of friends, meatball.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> Howard Ferstler wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >
> >> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
> >>
> >> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.
> >
> > Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
> > to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
> > me, too, while you are at it.

> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
> up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual sweet self,
> which is to say pompus to the point of being overbearning.

Remember that this guy is:

1) Trying to protect his magazine.

2) Trying to protect his job at that magazine.

He will perform as any con artist would when backed into a
corner. He has a LOT more to lose than either you or I, and
he is fully aware of this.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

John Atkinson wrote:

> I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote that
> I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject comes up
> next Friday. :-)

I believe that Arny has insulted poor, hapless pricks
everywhere. Let's just say you are two faced and leave it at
that.

Howard Ferstler

[George M. Middius]

Harold "Professional Audio Clown" Ferstler goofed:

> > Brother Horace tries to stick his hand in the alligator's maw.
> >
> > > Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
> > > to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
> > > me, too, while you are at it.
> >
> > I hope Arnii listens to you, Clerkie. You're one of the only friends he
> > has left.
>
> I have lots of friends, meatball.

Oops! Now you need an editor for your scribblings on Usenet. ;-) How low
can you sink after this, Clerkie?

[Howard Ferstler]

"George M. Middius" wrote:

> > > I hope Arnii listens to you, Clerkie. You're one of the only friends he
> > > has left.

> > I have lots of friends, meatball.

> Oops! Now you need an editor for your scribblings on Usenet. ;-) How low
> can you sink after this, Clerkie?

You are always here, and always reply immediately. You are
one of the sickest persons on RAO and possibly one of the
sickest persons involved in audio everywhere else, too.

Get a life.

Howard Ferstler

[Clyde Slick]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
...
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>> Howard Ferstler wrote:
>> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>> >
>> >> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>> >>
>> >> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the audience.
>> >
>> > Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
>> > to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
>> > me, too, while you are at it.
>
>> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind me
>> up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual sweet self,
>> which is to say pompus to the point of being overbearning.
>
> Remember that this guy is:
>
> 1) Trying to protect his magazine.
>
> 2) Trying to protect his job at that magazine.
>
> He will perform as any con artist would when backed into a
> corner. He has a LOT more to lose than either you or I, and
> he is fully aware of this.
>


Remember, Arny is trying to protect his territory.....the back alley.
And yes, he has LotS more to lose than your or ARny.



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[Howard Ferstler]

Clyde Slick wrote:
>
> "Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
> ...

> > He will perform as any con artist would when backed into a
> > corner. He has a LOT more to lose than either you or I, and
> > he is fully aware of this.

> Remember, Arny is trying to protect his territory.....the back alley.
> And yes, he has LotS more to lose than your or ARny.

I hope this knowledge makes him sweat.

Howard Ferstler

[George M. Middius]

Brother Horace the Hair-Triggered screamed:

> > > > I hope Arnii listens to you, Clerkie. You're one of the only friends he
> > > > has left.
>
> > > I have lots of friends, meatball.
>
> > Oops! Now you need an editor for your scribblings on Usenet. ;-) How low
> > can you sink after this, Clerkie?

No response from Harold, note.

Thanks for admitting Mr. Fertsler that, its like you cant read at an 8-th
grade, level even though you falsify your own calim that you are or, were
in a previously liven life, in the snow, LOt"S!

> Get a life.

Get a human language interpreter.

[[email protected]]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> George M. Middius wrote:
> > The Krooborg tries some of his "debating trade" shtick.
> >
> >>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
> >>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
> >
> >> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles,
> given
> >> that I am one?
> >
> > That's "given", Arnii?
>
> In the non-Middius-domianted parts of the world, yes.
>
> > The only way it could be given to you is involuntarily.
>
> Admittedly, I took it.
>
> > What is known is that you hate music,
>
> Which is why I spend about 8 hours a week rehearsing, controlling the
> amplification of, and recording music. I hate music so much! ;-)


Do you really like *that* music?



>
> >and that is the reason human beings adopt audiophilia as a hobby.
>
> Works for me.
>
> >Furthermore, your
> > idea of audio equipment is quaint -- you can't tell real gear from
> > that random collection of parts and junk you wallow in.
>
> Say George since you are such an expert about my tastes in audio, why
> not list the components of the last audio system I listened to for a
> number of hours.


That is an odd request.




>
> > You're as much an audiophile as Ferstler is a logician.
>
> Red herring debating trade irrelevant interjection.
>
> George, This isn't about Ferstler, its about you and me.




Scott Wheeler

[John Atkinson]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>:
>John Atkinson wrote:
>> dave weil wrote:
>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
> wrote:
>>>> I know John is an two-faced prick.
>>>
>>> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>>
>> I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote
>> that I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject
>> comes up next Friday. :-)
>
> No, Tom wrote what follows below, just as surely as I said:
> "I'll try to be my usual sweet self, but you know how I can be
> pompus to the point of being overbearning."

Actually, though Tom quoted you as saying that in message
>, what you actually wrote was
> "No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to
> wind me up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual
> sweet self, which is to say pompus to the point of being
overbearning."

Which indeed seems to be you directing some abuse my way ahead of your
debate on Friday. Tom merely seems to have turned your point on its
head.

> The point is that Tom had lots of fun forging neat things for me say
> in his reply to my post. So since he obviously thinks this is
excellent
> form, I thought it would be appropriate to return the honor.

But you didn't return it at Tom, you returned it to _me_, in
message >, first by presenting Tom
as apparently saying
>> I know John is an two-faced prick.

With you then replying:
> I've suspected as much, but thanks for the heads up

How is this humorous, Mr. Krueger, and how does it get back at
Tom?

>Don't take it personally John.

Oh, that makes it all right then. I guess your sense of humor
ranks up there with Howard Ferstler's. :-)

Incidentally, I note in another recent posting your saying that you
will be accompanied to Friday's debate by Tom Nousaine. Please
remember that I told you last December that this debate is between
the two of us. While Tom Nousaine is, of course, welcome to join
the audience, he is not free to make a presentation of his own.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[Arny Krueger]

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> George M. Middius wrote:
>>> The Krooborg tries some of his "debating trade" shtick.
>>>
>>>>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
>>>>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
>>>
>>>> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles,
>>>> given that I am one?
>>>
>>> That's "given", Arnii?
>>
>> In the non-Middius-domianted parts of the world, yes.
>>
>>> The only way it could be given to you is involuntarily.
>>
>> Admittedly, I took it.
>>
>>> What is known is that you hate music,

>> Which is why I spend about 8 hours a week rehearsing, controlling
the
>> amplification of, and recording music. I hate music so much! ;-)

> Do you really like *that* music?

Some of it, yes. Around Christmas I made a 74 minute compendium of the
best recordings I made of *that* music, from the past 3 years. Some of
it was kinda lame, some was very lame, but some of it was really
pretty good. Some of it I just like listening to just because I like
the people who made the music.

Life has changed a bit. Three years ago I realized that in order to
have really good music in that context I was going to have to fix a
lot of things. I was going to have to fix the organization, I was
going to fix the room, I was going to have to learn how to do good SR,
I was going to have to fix the SR system, I was going to have to learn
how to make good recordings, and I was going to have to fix the
recording system which started out as a cassette deck.

God has been good and some of all of the above has already taken
place. There have been some important organizational changes, there
are moves afoot to make some changes to the room, the SR system has
improved and may shortly be getting far better, and the recorder is
now a 20 track backed up with a CD-R recorder. I've learned a few
things along the way, too.

[Arny Krueger]

Tom wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote
>> Tom wrote:
>>
>>> Arny - I actually give you a lot of credit for standing up in
>>> front of a crowd of what will probably be mostly audiophiles.
>>
>> Tom, why would I possibly be worried about facing audiophiles,
given
>> that I am one? You really have your head where the sun shines not,
>> don't you?

> You're not an audiophile Arny. You're a measurement dweeb.

Shows how little you know about recording and live sound, Tom. No way
can get good recordings or live sound based purely on measurements.
Too much is only roughly known for that to be true. They both still
have heavy doses of art in them.

> "Hey - this might sound good. Let's measure the FR!"

Been there, done that but its not the *Final Answer*.

I guess www.pcabx.com is way over your head, Tom. Or as your hero
David Weil says:

You lose.

Again.

[Arny Krueger]

John Atkinson wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >:
>> John Atkinson wrote:
>>> dave weil wrote:
>>>> On Fri, 22 Apr 2005 11:14:37 -0400, "Arny Krueger"
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>> I know John is an two-faced prick.
>>>>
>>>> I wonder what the Sunday choir would think about this.
>>>
>>> I imagine they would assume that someone other than Arny wrote
>>> that I was a "two-faced prick." As will Arny if this subject
>>> comes up next Friday. :-)
>>
>> No, Tom wrote what follows below, just as surely as I said:
>> "I'll try to be my usual sweet self, but you know how I can be
>> pompus to the point of being overbearning."
>
> Actually, though Tom quoted you as saying that in message
> >, what you actually wrote was
>> "No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to
>> wind me up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual
>> sweet self, which is to say pompus to the point of being
>> overbearning."
>
> Which indeed seems to be you directing some abuse my way ahead of
your
> debate on Friday. Tom merely seems to have turned your point on its
> head.

Not at all. I turned Tom's forgery on its head by making it into abuse
of you, John.


>> The point is that Tom had lots of fun forging neat things for me
say
>> in his reply to my post. So since he obviously thinks this is
>> excellent form, I thought it would be appropriate to return the
>> honor.

> But you didn't return it at Tom, you returned it to _me_, in
> message >, first by presenting
Tom
> as apparently saying
>>> I know John is an two-faced prick.

John, have you lost your mind? That was how I turned Tom's forgery on
its head!


> With you then replying:
>> I've suspected as much, but thanks for the heads up

> How is this humorous, Mr. Krueger, and how does it get back at
> Tom?

Tom puts words I never said in my mouth, I put words that Tom never
said in his mouth. My words were far funnier, of course. Definately
got a rise out of you, didn't I? ;-)

>> Don't take it personally John.

> Oh, that makes it all right then.

Well yes John, it makes it all right just like the fact that you
laugh yourself silly over all of Middius' and Roy's *humorous*
comments. Maybe I should write more about sodomizing dead boys and the
Kroobitch like they do? Would that improve your perceptions of the
humor in what I write? That's British humor for you, isn't it? ;-)

> I guess your sense of humor ranks up there with Howard Ferstler's.
:-)

It's all matter of whose ox is gored, John. It's often a lot funnier
when someone you aren't in love with is the butt of the joke. I'm
sorry that you don't know this.

> Incidentally, I note in another recent posting your saying that you
> will be accompanied to Friday's debate by Tom Nousaine. Please
> remember that I told you last December that this debate is between
> the two of us. While Tom Nousaine is, of course, welcome to join
> the audience, he is not free to make a presentation of his own.

Again John your paranoa and inability to read comes to light. Read
what I said, not what your paranoid mind creates. I said Nousaine is
coming along, not that he's going to speak. He may be in the audience
or he may have something more worthwhile to do at the time, like be
someplace else where's there's more intelligent life.

;-)

[Arny Krueger]

Howard Ferstler wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>
>> Howard Ferstler wrote:
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>
>>>> Just pulling your chain, John. ;-)
>>>>
>>>> My discussion will be as technical as possible, given the
audience.
>>>
>>> Arny, regarding that upcoming debate, I am depending on you
>>> to hand this phony his head. Pull his chain a few times for
>>> me, too, while you are at it.
>
>> No doubt Mr. Atkinson will attempt to play cool, attempting to wind
>> me up as he is able to. I'm counting on him to be his usual sweet
>> self, which is to say pompus to the point of being overbearning.
>
> Remember that this guy is:
>
> 1) Trying to protect his magazine.
>
> 2) Trying to protect his job at that magazine.
>
> He will perform as any con artist would when backed into a
> corner. He has a LOT more to lose than either you or I, and
> he is fully aware of this.

I agree with all of the above. I can't believe that he has been so
foolish as to do this.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> God has been good and some of all of the above has already taken
> place. There have been some important organizational changes, there
> are moves afoot to make some changes to the room, the SR system has
> improved and may shortly be getting far better, and the recorder is
> now a 20 track backed up with a CD-R recorder. I've learned a few
> things along the way, too.
>
>

If God is so good, he should have fixed the crack in your foundation wall.



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[George M. Middius]

Clyde Slick said:

> If God is so good, he should have fixed the crack in your foundation wall.

"foundation wall" -- nice euphemism.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...


>. Maybe I should write more about sodomizing dead boys and the
> Kroobitch like they do?

You tell me, should you?



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[Margaret von B.]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Margaret von B. wrote:
>> "John Atkinson" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> Robert Morein wrote:
>>>>> I seem to recall that Cory was dropped by Stereophile for similar
>>>>> misconduct.
>>>>
>>>> He wasn't dropped that hard bt SP - they still have articles on
>>>> their site that mention him favorably.
>>>
>>> Corey Greenberg (not "burg") left Stereophile in 1994. He
>>> wanted/needed more money/responsibility; I wasn't in the position
> to
>>> give him either. His final review was of the Snell Type C/V
>>> loudspeaker in November 1994.
>>>
>>>> I thought that someone with deeper pockets hired him.
>>>
>>> He left Stereophile to join Home Theater magazine, then Sound &
>>> Vision, then Audio where he was the final editor in chief before
> that
>>> magazine's demise.
>>>
>>> Regarding the question in your thread title, Mr. Krueger, the
> answer
>>> is "no." I have fired writers for behaving in this manner.
>>
>> Really John? Who?
>
> Great question - don't hold your breath for the answer!
>
>

I guess you're right. It is easy to make claims but much more difficult to
back them up. Shame on you, John!


Cheers,

MvB

[John Atkinson]

Margaret von B. wrote:
> It is easy to make claims but much more difficult to
> back them up. Shame on you, John!

Margaret, I didn't think appropriate to give the writer's name.
But he doesn't work for Stereophile any longer. -- John

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[GeoSynch]

John Atkinson wrote:

> Margaret von B. wrote:

>> It is easy to make claims but much more difficult to
>> back them up. Shame on you, John!

> Margaret, I didn't think appropriate to give the writer's name.
> But he doesn't work for Stereophile any longer. -- John

My guess is Jonathan Scull, for twofold reasons:
1. Bullying manufacturers for "permanent loan" of expensive
components for favorable reviews, and
2. The hatchet job on the Richard Grey Power Company
surge protectors.

A lack of denial will serve as confirmation. OK, John?


GeoSynch

[John Atkinson]

GeoSynch wrote:
> John Atkinson wrote:
> > I didn't think appropriate to give the writer's name.
> > But he doesn't work for Stereophile any longer.
>
> My guess is Jonathan Scull...

No.

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[George M. Middius]

John Atkinson said:

> > > I didn't think appropriate to give the writer's name.
> > > But he doesn't work for Stereophile any longer.
> >
> > My guess is Jonathan Scull...
>
> No.


Apocryphal stories don't need to be connected to actual events for their
import to be understood. (Take note, Harold.)

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> Howard Ferstler wrote:

> > Remember that this guy is:
> >
> > 1) Trying to protect his magazine.
> >
> > 2) Trying to protect his job at that magazine.
> >
> > He will perform as any con artist would when backed into a
> > corner. He has a LOT more to lose than either you or I, and
> > he is fully aware of this.

> I agree with all of the above. I can't believe that he has been so
> foolish as to do this.

Yes, and because of this he will be desperate to defend his
turf and will become more desperate if things start to look
bad for him during the debate. A good debater will
capitalize on this and hit him in his weakest areas. Find
the weaknesses and then drive the spike home.

Remember, this guy, for all of his posturing about defending
high-end audio, defending his approach to DBT work,
defending his antipathy for you, and defending his magazine,
is more than anything else very, very interested in gaining
the esteem of the really big names in audio engineering.
That just has to mean a LOT to him.

He wants to be taken seriously by people who know a lot
about acoustics, electronics, and audio in general. Right
now, this is not the case, but he is working to improve him
image. He is in a very bad place to be, because he wants to
look like a hero to the tweakos, but he also wants to have
the respect of the experts. And that is IMPOSSIBLE to do in
this business. You need to make sure that this contrast is
very clear to the more intelligent and influential members
of the audio community.

Your job, "should you decide to take on the task, Mr.
Krueger" (with a nod to Mission Impossible), is to make him
look like a knowledge-ignoring propagandist for tweako
audio. No matter what, you need to get the members of the
engineering establishment in a position to sneer at this man
and what he stands for even more than they do now. That will
do him more harm than proving a few small points about ABX
or even putting his job at Stereophile at risk.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

John Atkinson wrote:
>
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >:

> >Don't take it personally John.

> Oh, that makes it all right then. I guess your sense of humor
> ranks up there with Howard Ferstler's. :-)

I certainly hope so.

> Incidentally, I note in another recent posting your saying that you
> will be accompanied to Friday's debate by Tom Nousaine. Please
> remember that I told you last December that this debate is between
> the two of us. While Tom Nousaine is, of course, welcome to join
> the audience, he is not free to make a presentation of his own.

I am sure that Tom will be more than able to ask questions
after the debate that you will cause you to squirm a bit. He
does not need to do a presentation to do an "Emperor Has No
Clothes" operation on you, John.

I simply cannot believe that you have put yourself into a
position like this, where an outsider with essentially
nothing to lose will be in a position to cause you great
harm. I mean, a guy like you has to both want the esteem of
the tweakos and also want the esteem of the
audio-engineering establishment. You may make the tweakos
happy during this "debate," but your position with the
engineers is going to suffer in a big way. I mean, you are
actually going to have to come right out and say things that
real audio engineers consider to be a joke.

Howard Ferstler

[Arny Krueger]

Howard Ferstler wrote:
>
> Your job, "should you decide to take on the task, Mr.
> Krueger" (with a nod to Mission Impossible), is to make him
> look like a knowledge-ignoring propagandist for tweako
> audio.

I'll leave that to his own sweet self.

My plan is to implement the rule: "Keep it simple, stupid".

> No matter what, you need to get the members of the
> engineering establishment in a position to sneer at this man
> and what he stands for even more than they do now.

They do that plenty, already. If that was my only goal, I'd be done
already.

>That will do him more harm than proving a few small points about ABX
> or even putting his job at Stereophile at risk.

I don't want to hurt him. If he does that to himself, so be it.

[Lionel_Chapuis]

George "Betty Boop Middius wrote:

> Apocryphal stories don't need to be connected to actual events for their
> import to be understood. (Take note, Harold.)

Whaoooo !
What a conceited sententious discourse George!!!...
Are you sure that such simplistic point of view need so much pomp ?

:-D






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[Clyde Slick]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message
...
>
> Your job, "should you decide to take on the task, Mr.
> Krueger" (with a nod to Mission Impossible),

It was nice, seeing your wrecking ball self destruct in thirty seconds.



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Arny Krueger wrote:

>
> Greenberg, an NBC contributor, confirmed
> yesterday that he has received payments from Apple as well as Sony,
> Hewlett-Packard, Seiko Epson, Creative Technology and Energizer
> Holdings, charging $15,000 apiece to talk up their products on news
> shows.
>
>
That's the essence of what Greenberg learned from Atkinson: money buys
good press, good reviews and "buzz". $tereopile launders the money they
take from manufacturers under the guise of "advertising revenue". The
quid pro quo, of course, is a good review and a place on the RCL.
Greenberg got lazy (or stupid) and omitted the laundering step, making
the payola aspect brutally obvious.