Storing Equipment

[terrance]

Hello group:

I have to store some audio equipment in a local storage unit and was
wondering if there is any possible danger to the equipment. I have
speakers, surround processor, cd player, dvd player, and a subwoofer.
Everything but the sub is in the original boxes and sealed. I was concerned
about humidity and/or moisture. I am located in Virginia. Thanks very much
for any input.

terrance

[Trevor Wilson]

"terrance" > wrote in message
news:X0Y4e.15$rg1.5@lakeread01...
> Hello group:
>
> I have to store some audio equipment in a local storage unit and was
> wondering if there is any possible danger to the equipment. I have
> speakers, surround processor, cd player, dvd player, and a subwoofer.
> Everything but the sub is in the original boxes and sealed. I was
> concerned
> about humidity and/or moisture. I am located in Virginia. Thanks very
> much
> for any input.

**Get some silica gel. Place it in sealed bags, with each piece of
equipment.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[Robert Morein]

"Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message
...
>
> "terrance" > wrote in message
> news:X0Y4e.15$rg1.5@lakeread01...
> > Hello group:
> >
> > I have to store some audio equipment in a local storage unit and was
> > wondering if there is any possible danger to the equipment. I have
> > speakers, surround processor, cd player, dvd player, and a subwoofer.
> > Everything but the sub is in the original boxes and sealed. I was
> > concerned
> > about humidity and/or moisture. I am located in Virginia. Thanks very
> > much
> > for any input.
>
> **Get some silica gel. Place it in sealed bags, with each piece of
> equipment.
>
By sealed, I think we mean, plastic garbage bags with no rips, sealed
tightly with multiple turns of ties.
Don't use the original perforated bags.

[terrance]

"Robert Morein" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "terrance" > wrote in message
> > news:X0Y4e.15$rg1.5@lakeread01...
> > > Hello group:
> > >
> > > I have to store some audio equipment in a local storage unit and was
> > > wondering if there is any possible danger to the equipment. I have
> > > speakers, surround processor, cd player, dvd player, and a subwoofer.
> > > Everything but the sub is in the original boxes and sealed. I was
> > > concerned
> > > about humidity and/or moisture. I am located in Virginia. Thanks
very
> > > much
> > > for any input.
> >
> > **Get some silica gel. Place it in sealed bags, with each piece of
> > equipment.
> >
> By sealed, I think we mean, plastic garbage bags with no rips, sealed
> tightly with multiple turns of ties.
> Don't use the original perforated bags.
>
Thank you both very much for the info.

terrance

[ScottW]

Waste of silica gel. Ever see MVTR spec'd for low density
polyethylene which is what most trash bags are made of?

A trash bag might help keep liquid water out if you see a flood but it
might as well not exist when it comes to stopping water vapor. The
dessicant will become saturated and useless in a rather short period.

ScottW

[Robert Morein]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
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> Waste of silica gel. Ever see MVTR spec'd for low density
> polyethylene which is what most trash bags are made of?
>
> A trash bag might help keep liquid water out if you see a flood but it
> might as well not exist when it comes to stopping water vapor. The
> dessicant will become saturated and useless in a rather short period.
>
> ScottW
>
I'm interested in hearing more.
What is MVTR? Related to permeability?

[Sylvan Morein]

In article 1K75e.226$rg1.10@lakeread01, "terrance" >
wrote:

> Thank you both very much for the info.
>
> terrance

Well Terrance, my sick son Bob has likely given you a load of scientific
crap. Bob's what we called in my day a "bull****ting asshole know-it-all".
He's lived in the same room upstairs in my home for over 52 years, never
having a job and just pretending he's smart.

He WAS smart when he was 12. Now he's just a pathetic, middle-aged loser.



Facts about my Son, Robert Morein

Dr. Sylvan Morein, DDS
--

Bob Morein History
--
http://www.ledger-enquirer.com/mld/ledgerenquirer/news/4853918.htm

> Doctoral student takes intellectual property case to Supreme Court
> By L. STUART DITZEN
> Philadelphia Inquirer
>
> PHILADELPHIA -Even the professors who dismissed him from a doctoral program
> at Drexel University agreed that Robert Morein was uncommonly smart.
>
> They apparently didn't realize that he was uncommonly stubborn too - so much
> so that he would mount a court fight all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court
> to challenge his dismissal.

The Supremes have already rejected this appeal, btw.
>
> "It's a personality trait I have - I'm a tenacious guy," said Morein, a
> pleasantly eccentric man regarded by friends as an inventive genius. "And we
> do come to a larger issue here."

An "inventive genius" that has never invented anything. And hardly
"pleasantly" eccentric.

> A five-year legal battle between this unusual ex-student and one of
> Philadelphia's premier educational institutions has gone largely unnoticed
> by the media and the public.

Because no one gives a **** about a 50 year old loser.
>
> But it has been the subject of much attention in academia.
>
> Drexel says it dismissed Morein in 1995 because he failed, after eight
> years, to complete a thesis required for a doctorate in electrical and
> computer engineering.

Not to mention the 12 years it took him to get thru high school!
BWAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>
> Morein, 50, of Dresher, Pa., contends that he was dismissed only after his
> thesis adviser "appropriated" an innovative idea Morein had developed in a
> rarefied area of thought called "estimation theory" and arranged to have it
> patented.

A contention rejected by three courts. From a 50 YEAR OLD that has
done NOTHING PRODUCTIVE with his life.

>
> In February 2000, Philadelphia Common Pleas Court Judge Esther R. Sylvester
> ruled that Morein's adviser indeed had taken his idea.

An idea that was worth nothing, because it didn't work. Just like
Robert Morein, who has never worked a day in his life.

>
> Sylvester held that Morein had been unjustly dismissed and she ordered
> Drexel to reinstate him or refund his tuition.

Funnily enough, Drexel AGREED to reinstate Morein, who rejected the
offer because he knew he was and IS a failed loser. Spending daddy's
money to cover up his lack of productivity.
>
> That brought roars of protest from the lions of academia. There is a long
> tradition in America of noninterference by the courts in academic decisions.
>
> Backed by every major university in Pennsylvania and organizations
> representing thousands of others around the country, Drexel appealed to the
> state Superior Court.
>
> The appellate court, by a 2-1 vote, reversed Sylvester in June 2001 and
> restored the status quo. Morein was, once again, out at Drexel. And the
> time-honored axiom that courts ought to keep their noses out of academic
> affairs was reasserted.
>
> The state Supreme Court declined to review the case and, in an ordinary
> litigation, that would have been the end of it.
>
> But Morein, in a quixotic gesture that goes steeply against the odds, has
> asked the highest court in the land to give him a hearing.

Daddy throws more money down the crapper.

> His attorney, Faye Riva Cohen, said the Supreme Court appeal is important
> even if it fails because it raises the issue of whether a university has a
> right to lay claim to a student's ideas - or intellectual property - without
> compensation.
>
> "Any time you are in a Ph.D. program, you are a serf, you are a slave," said
> Cohen. Morein "is concerned not only for himself. He feels that what
> happened to him is pretty common."

It's called HIGHER EDUCATION, honey. The students aren't in charge,
the UNIVERSITY and PROFESSORS are.


> Drexel's attorney, Neil J. Hamburg, called Morein's appeal - and his claim
> that his idea was stolen - "preposterous."
>
> "I will eat my shoe if the Supreme Court hears this case," declared Hamburg.
> "We're not even going to file a response. He is a brilliant guy, but his
> intelligence should be used for the advancement of society rather than
> pursuing self-destructive litigation."

No **** sherlock.

> The litigation began in 1997, when Morein sued Drexel claiming that a
> committee of professors had dumped him after he accused his faculty adviser,
> Paul Kalata, of appropriating his idea.
>
> His concept was considered to have potential value for businesses in
> minutely measuring the internal functions of machines, industrial processes
> and electronic systems.
>
> The field of "estimation theory" is one in which scientists attempt to
> calculate what they cannot plainly observe, such as the inside workings of a
> nuclear plant or a computer.

My estimation theory? There is NO brain at work inside the head of
Robert Morein, only sawdust.

>
> Prior to Morein's dismissal, Drexel looked into his complaint against Kalata
> and concluded that the associate professor had done nothing wrong. Kalata,
> through a university lawyer, declined to comment.
>
> At a nonjury trial before Sylvester in 1999, Morein testified that Kalata in
> 1990 had posed a technical problem for him to study for his thesis. It
> related to estimation theory.
>
> Kalata, who did not appear at the trial, said in a 1998 deposition that a
> Cherry Hill company for which he was a paid consultant, K-Tron
> International, had asked him to develop an alternate estimation method for
> it. The company manufactures bulk material feeders and conveyors used in
> industrial processes.
>
> Morein testified that, after much study, he experienced "a flash of
> inspiration" and came up with a novel mathematical concept to address the
> problem Kalata had presented.
>
> Without his knowledge, Morein said, Kalata shared the idea with K-Tron.
>
> K-Tron then applied for a patent, listing Kalata and Morein as co-inventors.
>
> Morein said he agreed "under duress" to the arrangement, but felt "locked
> into a highly disadvantageous situation." As a result, he testified, he
> became alienated from Kalata.
>
> As events unfolded, Kalata signed over his interest in the patent to K-Tron.
> The company never capitalized on the technology and eventually allowed the
> patent to lapse. No one made any money from it.

Because it was bogus. Even Kalata was mortified that he was a victim
of this SCAMSTER, Robert Morein.

> In 1991, Morein went to the head of Drexel's electrical engineering
> department, accused Kalata of appropriating his intellectual property, and
> asked for a new faculty adviser.

The staff at Drexel laughed wildly at the ignorance of Robert Morein.

> He didn't get one. Instead, a committee of four professors, including
> Kalata, was formed to oversee Morein's thesis work.
>
> Four years later, the committee dismissed him, saying he had failed to
> complete his thesis.

So Morein ****s up his first couple years, gets new faculty advisers
(a TEAM), and then ****s up again! Brilliant!

>
> Morein claimed that the committee intentionally had undermined him.

Morein makes LOTS of claims that are nonsense. One look thru the
usenet proves it.

>
> Judge Sylvester agreed. In her ruling, Sylvester wrote: "It is this court's
> opinion that the defendants were motivated by bad faith and ill will."

So much for political machine judges.
>
> The U.S. Supreme Court receives 7,000 appeals a year and agrees to hear only
> about 100 of them.
>
> Hamburg, Drexel's attorney, is betting the high court will reject Morein's
> appeal out of hand because its focal point - concerning a student's right to
> intellectual property - was not central to the litigation in the
> Pennsylvania courts.

> Morein said he understands it's a long shot, but he feels he must pursue it.

Just like all the failed "causes" Morein pursues. Heck, he's been
chasing another "Brian McCarty" for years and yet has ZERO impact on
anything.

Failure. Look it up in Websters. You'll see a picture of Robert
Morein. The poster boy for SCAMMING LOSERS.

>
> "I had to seek closure," he said.
>
> Without a doctorate, he said, he has been unable to pursue a career he had
> hoped would lead him into research on artificial intelligence.

Who better to tell us about "artificial intelligence".
BWAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

>
> As it is, Morein lives at home with his father and makes a modest income
> from stock investments. He has written a film script that he is trying to
> make into a movie. And in the basement of his father's home he is working on
> an invention, an industrial pump so powerful it could cut steel with a
> bulletlike stream of water.


FAILED STUDENT
FAILED MOVIE MAKER
FAILED SCREENWRITER
FAILED INVESTOR
FAILED DRIVER
FAILED SON
FAILED PARENTS
FAILED INVENTOR
FAILED PLAINTIFF
FAILED HOMOSEXUAL
FAILED HUMAN
FAILED
FAILED

> But none of it is what he had imagined for himself.
>
> "I don't really have a replacement career," Morein said. "It's a very
> gnawing thing.

[ScottW]

Moisture Vapor Transmission Rate

http://www.expandingpaper.com/mvtr.htm

http://www.sorbentsystems.com/barrier_film_properties.htm

ScottW

[Robert Morein]

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Moisture Vapor Transmission Rate
>
> http://www.expandingpaper.com/mvtr.htm
>
> http://www.sorbentsystems.com/barrier_film_properties.htm
>
> ScottW
>
Are modern trashbags also biodegradable?

Is there an alternative bag source you can suggest?

[ScottW]

Robert Morein wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Moisture Vapor Transmission Rate
> >
> > http://www.expandingpaper.com/mvtr.htm
> >
> > http://www.sorbentsystems.com/barrier_film_properties.htm
> >
> > ScottW
> >
> Are modern trashbags also biodegradable?

Many are and some have light activated decomposition elements that
start the process as soon as you remove the bag from the box and expose
it to light. The chemical process, once started, does not stop in the
dark.
>
> Is there an alternative bag source you can suggest?

Most of the pre-fab bags that will really block water vapor are small.
We have used tyvek and the nylon foil poly in bulk rolls and fabricated
our own large containers using simple hot irons.

http://www.staticcontrol.com/pdfs/P2%20Moisture%20Barrier%20Bag.pdf

They're heat sealable but it is a PIA. These are serious moisture
barriers.... for long term electronics storage I'd find some 6 mil
polyethylene. It will be as good as anything short of the foils and
you shouldn't have too much trouble finding it. Visqueen is 6 mil
polyethylene. You can get a roll of that and make your own bags. Heat
seal the edges together. Best bet is to avoid cold temps storage
locations as that is when the humidity and condensation will occur
inside the bag if you didn't evacuate it or use enough dessicant. No
matter what you do... dessicant will not last forever.

ScottW