Re: Denon AVR-1905 or Similar

[AB]

I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the AVR-2105
because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but have read
a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is because it has
variable audio delay.

How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does anyone here
use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot for features
I don't need.

Also, any other recommendations for a good unit which supports a phono input?

TIA

Shaun wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Feb 2005 19:48:31 -0500, "bdowns" > wrote:
>
> >Looking to purchase a new home theater receiver and have been looking at the
> >Denon AVR-1905. Are their any other receivers that are comparable?
> >
> >And has anyone had a problems with buying a Denon if the dealer is not on
> >the Denon website as a authorize seller of their products?
> >
> >Thanks in advance.
> >
>
> Pay attention to component switching, denon is excellent at 100mhz

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[RichA]

On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:20:44 -0800, AB > wrote:

>I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the AVR-2105
>because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but have read
>a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is because it has
>variable audio delay.
>
>How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does anyone here
>use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot for features
>I don't need.

The problem of delayed audio versus picture can be a pain the neck.
It usually only happens with poorly designed DVD players but it can
happen with satellite feeds, and other audio/video sources.
If you have to live with it constantly, your brain kind of "fixes" it
so after awhile, you don't notice it as much. If you watch DVDs all
the time, it (depending on error amount) seems to fade away. But, if
you go for days without watching anything, it will be apparent.
If your current DVD player doesn't present such a problem, the feature
isn't needed. If your player or any other source you have exhibits
this problem, then go for the audio delay feature by all means.
However, having said that, it's worth noting that if you can spend
enough to get a 3000-series Denon, either new or used, you'll be
getting a unit with a much higher quality amplifier section. Denon
tends to divide it's families this way.
-Rich

[severian]

"RichA" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:20:44 -0800, AB > wrote:
>
> >I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the
AVR-2105
> >because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but
have read
> >a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is because
it has
> >variable audio delay.
> >
> >How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does
anyone here
> >use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot for
features
> >I don't need.
>
> The problem of delayed audio versus picture can be a pain the neck.
> It usually only happens with poorly designed DVD players but it can
> happen with satellite feeds, and other audio/video sources.
> If you have to live with it constantly, your brain kind of "fixes" it
> so after awhile, you don't notice it as much. If you watch DVDs all
> the time, it (depending on error amount) seems to fade away. But, if
> you go for days without watching anything, it will be apparent.
> If your current DVD player doesn't present such a problem, the feature
> isn't needed. If your player or any other source you have exhibits
> this problem, then go for the audio delay feature by all means.
> However, having said that, it's worth noting that if you can spend
> enough to get a 3000-series Denon, either new or used, you'll be
> getting a unit with a much higher quality amplifier section. Denon
> tends to divide it's families this way.
> -Rich

So far I've only noticed this type of problem with one particular DVD I own,
that's "For A Few Dollars More" which has a pretty disconnected audio and
video track. Some players are worse than others with this, if I recall
correctly some of the very inexpensive players have had this problem, though
I imagine some of the more expensive ones have had it as well. It is quite
disconcerting, but as it only occurs on one DVD for my player I've never
felt the need to address the issue, though if I had such a feature on my a/v
system I'd sure use it for this disc.

[Air Force Jayhawk]

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 01:02:50 GMT, "severian" >
wrote:

>
>"RichA" > wrote in message
...
>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:20:44 -0800, AB > wrote:
>>
>> >I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the
>AVR-2105
>> >because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but
>have read
>> >a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is because
>it has
>> >variable audio delay.
>> >
>> >How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does
>anyone here
>> >use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot for
>features
>> >I don't need.
>>
>> The problem of delayed audio versus picture can be a pain the neck.
>> It usually only happens with poorly designed DVD players but it can
>> happen with satellite feeds, and other audio/video sources.
>> If you have to live with it constantly, your brain kind of "fixes" it
>> so after awhile, you don't notice it as much. If you watch DVDs all
>> the time, it (depending on error amount) seems to fade away. But, if
>> you go for days without watching anything, it will be apparent.
>> If your current DVD player doesn't present such a problem, the feature
>> isn't needed. If your player or any other source you have exhibits
>> this problem, then go for the audio delay feature by all means.
>> However, having said that, it's worth noting that if you can spend
>> enough to get a 3000-series Denon, either new or used, you'll be
>> getting a unit with a much higher quality amplifier section. Denon
>> tends to divide it's families this way.
>> -Rich
>
>So far I've only noticed this type of problem with one particular DVD I own,
>that's "For A Few Dollars More" which has a pretty disconnected audio and
>video track. Some players are worse than others with this, if I recall
>correctly some of the very inexpensive players have had this problem, though
>I imagine some of the more expensive ones have had it as well. It is quite
>disconcerting, but as it only occurs on one DVD for my player I've never
>felt the need to address the issue, though if I had such a feature on my a/v
>system I'd sure use it for this disc.
>
I have found the sound delay only happens on HD signals...the sound
delay is caused by the processing time in the TV to convert the
picture into it's native format. It can happen on both DVD and
cable/satellite signals.

It may be cheaper to buy a DVD player that up converts internally.
On the other hand, this won't solve the TV signal.

Personally, I have only encountered it infrequently and yes it bothers
me but I can't afford a fix right now. I have NOT seen in on my
DirecTV signal (only heard of it) but have on a couple of DVDs
although I can't remember which ones (makes troubleshooting a pain)

[Slalomguy]

i dont think the dvd is your problemo its the dubbed spaghetti western


"severian" > wrote in message
link.net...
>
> "RichA" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:20:44 -0800, AB > wrote:
>>
>> >I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the
> AVR-2105
>> >because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but
> have read
>> >a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is because
> it has
>> >variable audio delay.
>> >
>> >How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does
> anyone here
>> >use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot for
> features
>> >I don't need.
>>
>> The problem of delayed audio versus picture can be a pain the neck.
>> It usually only happens with poorly designed DVD players but it can
>> happen with satellite feeds, and other audio/video sources.
>> If you have to live with it constantly, your brain kind of "fixes" it
>> so after awhile, you don't notice it as much. If you watch DVDs all
>> the time, it (depending on error amount) seems to fade away. But, if
>> you go for days without watching anything, it will be apparent.
>> If your current DVD player doesn't present such a problem, the feature
>> isn't needed. If your player or any other source you have exhibits
>> this problem, then go for the audio delay feature by all means.
>> However, having said that, it's worth noting that if you can spend
>> enough to get a 3000-series Denon, either new or used, you'll be
>> getting a unit with a much higher quality amplifier section. Denon
>> tends to divide it's families this way.
>> -Rich
>
> So far I've only noticed this type of problem with one particular DVD I
> own,
> that's "For A Few Dollars More" which has a pretty disconnected audio and
> video track. Some players are worse than others with this, if I recall
> correctly some of the very inexpensive players have had this problem,
> though
> I imagine some of the more expensive ones have had it as well. It is quite
> disconcerting, but as it only occurs on one DVD for my player I've never
> felt the need to address the issue, though if I had such a feature on my
> a/v
> system I'd sure use it for this disc.
>
>

[severian]

"Slalomguy" > wrote in message
...
> i dont think the dvd is your problemo its the dubbed spaghetti western
>

I doubt it, as the video tape of the same film doesn't seem to have that
problem, though unsynchronized dubbing can be a problem on a lot of flicks,
particularly chop socky ones.

>
> "severian" > wrote in message
> link.net...
> >
> > "RichA" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> On Fri, 01 Apr 2005 21:20:44 -0800, AB > wrote:
> >>
> >> >I also have been looking at the Denon line, and need at least the
> > AVR-2105
> >> >because it is the cheapest one in the line that has a phono input, but
> > have read
> >> >a couple of reviews, e.g. CNET, about how great the AVR-2805 is
because
> > it has
> >> >variable audio delay.
> >> >
> >> >How important a feature is this Audio Delay Function? How often does
> > anyone here
> >> >use such a feature? I want a good unit, but don't want to pay a lot
for
> > features
> >> >I don't need.
> >>
> >> The problem of delayed audio versus picture can be a pain the neck.
> >> It usually only happens with poorly designed DVD players but it can
> >> happen with satellite feeds, and other audio/video sources.
> >> If you have to live with it constantly, your brain kind of "fixes" it
> >> so after awhile, you don't notice it as much. If you watch DVDs all
> >> the time, it (depending on error amount) seems to fade away. But, if
> >> you go for days without watching anything, it will be apparent.
> >> If your current DVD player doesn't present such a problem, the feature
> >> isn't needed. If your player or any other source you have exhibits
> >> this problem, then go for the audio delay feature by all means.
> >> However, having said that, it's worth noting that if you can spend
> >> enough to get a 3000-series Denon, either new or used, you'll be
> >> getting a unit with a much higher quality amplifier section. Denon
> >> tends to divide it's families this way.
> >> -Rich
> >
> > So far I've only noticed this type of problem with one particular DVD I
> > own,
> > that's "For A Few Dollars More" which has a pretty disconnected audio
and
> > video track. Some players are worse than others with this, if I recall
> > correctly some of the very inexpensive players have had this problem,
> > though
> > I imagine some of the more expensive ones have had it as well. It is
quite
> > disconcerting, but as it only occurs on one DVD for my player I've never
> > felt the need to address the issue, though if I had such a feature on my
> > a/v
> > system I'd sure use it for this disc.
> >
> >
>
>