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Lionel

April 2nd 05, 10:59 PM

ScottW "The Môron" wrote :

>
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> > ...
>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >>> oups.com...
>> >>>>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> --
>> >> -------------------------------------------
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for you?
>> >> How
>> >>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to sound.
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>> >>
>> >> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
> complete
>> >> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Prove it!
>> > Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>>
>> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>>
>> > What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>
>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>> origional performance.
>>
>> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
> fidelity
>> audio system.
>
> How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?
>
> What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
> recorder sound like anyway? Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o dbx
> expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
> originates as sound is false.
>
> Note to Dave... I just paid your share of the National debt, you owe
> me.

In Europe we are paying US world debt since many years now...

Hello Scott are you sure to be oblige to hibernate in California ?
Is your neighbour's son in prison ? Can your leave your home now ?

Nice to see you back.

Lionel_Chapuis

April 3rd 05, 12:17 AM

George M. Middius wrote:

>
>
> Clyde Slick said:
>
> > What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>
> Subjective, you say? Surely not, saith the Hivies. ;-) Wine tastes like
> wine, according to La Salope.

Once again George you should avoid to speak about things that you don't know, that you don't understand.

Wine is Wine. Audio is audio. Between the worst and the best there's a very large place for an immense diversity.
The most expensive is not always the best.
The best one day perhaps will be not the best in other circumstances.
The "overwhelming opinion of connoisseurs" haven't any interest compared to the pleasure of the personal experience.

This is my definitive point about wine... For Corbières and all other
terroires.

;-)

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April 3rd 05, 12:17 AM

George M. Middius wr

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Lionel

April 3rd 05, 01:12 AM

Lionel_Chapuis a écrit :
> George M. Middius wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Clyde Slick said:
>>
>>
>>>What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>
>>Subjective, you say? Surely not, saith the Hivies. ;-) Wine tastes like
>>wine, according to La Salope.

> Once again George you should avoid to speak about things that you don't know, that you don't understand.
>
> Wine is Wine. Audio is audio. Between the worst and the best there's a very large place for an immense diversity.
> The most expensive is not always the best.
> The best one day perhaps will be not the best in other circumstances.
> The "overwhelming opinion of connoisseurs" haven't any interest compared to the pleasure of the personal experience.
>
> This is my definitive point about wine... For Corbières and all other
> terroires.
>
> ;-)

Ooops I forgot to tell you the true of this wine story...
The irony is that our George, expert in subjectivity, didn't
hesit to give a public opinion about a wine that he *never*
tasted, based only on the "overwhelming opinion of wine
connoisseurs".

Interesting example of subjectivity, no ?
Don't you think that our George Middius the subjectivity
lover and wine expert is also a famous hypocrit ? ;-)

You don't believe me ?
Ask him how many wine from Corbières he had already tasted ?

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April 3rd 05, 01:38 AM

Lionel wrote:
> dave "template boy" weil wrote :
>
> > Inability to accept the subjective nature of a personal evaluation
of
> > audio noted.
>
> Nota : On RAO Dave Weil is surely one of the guys who wears the
largest
> blinders.
>
> ;-)
>
>
And they're made of cardboard.

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April 3rd 05, 01:49 AM

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW "The M=F4ron" wrote :
>
Lionel, this "ScottW" is *not* Scott Wheeler, the well known moron,
litigious meatball and walking audio dum-dum bullet.
> >

Clyde Slick

April 3rd 05, 03:45 AM

> wrote in message
oups.com...

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW "The Môron" wrote :
>
Lionel, this "ScottW" is *not* Scott Wheeler, the well known moron,
litigious meatball and walking audio dum-dum bullet.
> >

Dummy
"At least" Lionel knows the difference between
Scott Wheeler and Scott Wittenvrongel.
Sluts comments about the neighbor reference past
discussions she had with Scott Wittenvrongel.
Slut might be a moron, but "at least" she knows who she is talking
to, unlike the Beast.

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ScottW

April 3rd 05, 05:43 AM

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW "The M=F4ron" wrote :
>
> >
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >>
> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> > ...
> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
> >> >>> oups.com...
> >> >>>>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> >> --
> >> >> -------------------------------------------
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
you?
> >> >> How
> >> >>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to
sound.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
> >> >>
> >> >> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
> > complete
> >> >> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Prove it!
> >> > Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
> >>
> >> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
> >>
> >> > What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
> >>
> >> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
> >> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
> >> origional performance.
> >>
> >> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
> > fidelity
> >> audio system.
> >
> > How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?
> >
> > What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
> > recorder sound like anyway? Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o
dbx
> > expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
> > originates as sound is false.
> >
> > Note to Dave... I just paid your share of the National debt, you
owe
> > me.
>
> In Europe we are paying US world debt since many years now...

Because you owe us :)
>
> Hello Scott are you sure to be oblige to hibernate in California ?
> Is your neighbour's son in prison ? Can your leave your home now ?

I do believe your english is improving but reality continue to elude
you.
>=20
> Nice to see you back.

Go Illini!

ScottW

Lionel

April 3rd 05, 09:07 AM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

> Dummy
> Sluts
> Slut ...she knows who she is talking
> to.

Once again an interesting demonstration of Art "old repressed pederast"
Sackman's strong personality... ;-)
Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?

:-D

Lionel

April 3rd 05, 09:11 AM

In . com>,
wrote :

>
> Lionel wrote:
>> dave "template boy" weil wrote :
>>
>> > Inability to accept the subjective nature of a personal evaluation
> of
>> > audio noted.
>>
>> Nota : On RAO Dave Weil is surely one of the guys who wears the
> largest
>> blinders.
>>
>> ;-)
>>
>>
> And they're made of cardboard.

Exactly !!!
A long, patient, painful and paranoid life accomplishment...
The summum of Dave's art in cardboard template !

:-D

Lionel

April 3rd 05, 09:23 AM

In om>, ScottW wrote :

>
> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW "The Môron" wrote :
>>
>> >
>> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> >> > ...
>> >> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>> >> >>> oups.com...
>> >> >>>>
>> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
>> >> --
>> >> >> -------------------------------------------
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
> you?
>> >> >> How
>> >> >>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to
> sound.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
>> > complete
>> >> >> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Prove it!
>> >> > Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>> >>
>> >> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>> >>
>> >> > What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>> >>
>> >> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>> >> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>> >> origional performance.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
>> > fidelity
>> >> audio system.
>> >
>> > How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?
>> >
>> > What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
>> > recorder sound like anyway? Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o
> dbx
>> > expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
>> > originates as sound is false.
>> >
>> > Note to Dave... I just paid your share of the National debt, you
> owe
>> > me.
>>
>> In Europe we are paying US world debt since many years now...

In fact I was joking. 80% of the american debt is in the hands of chinese
and asiatic bankers.

This forcasts very interesting futur. ;-)

> Because you owe us :)

Playing with the oil cost ?
IMHO it's a little bit petty and demonstrate that USA are reduced to very,
very, very short views.
Perhaps it's time to repatriate the American youth for a serious effort of
imagination, no ?

>> Hello Scott are you sure to be oblige to hibernate in California ?
>> Is your neighbour's son in prison ? Can your leave your home now ?
>
> I do believe your english is improving but reality continue to elude
> you.

I am happy that your neigbour hasn't still murder you... If I was at his
place perhpas I wouldn't have hesitate ;-)
Have you try to communicate with him ?

How much weight the average Californian môron can lose during his
hibernation period ?

>> Nice to see you back.
>
> Go Illini!

Is it a sport team ?

Arny Krueger

April 3rd 05, 12:05 PM

"Ruud Broens" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...

> The origional performance is only known to you, Krueger ;-)

Why would that be? Most of the live performance I attend/record are
attended by 100s of people.

> We only usu our earo's.

I never usu my earo's.

Arny Krueger

April 3rd 05, 12:07 PM

"ScottW" > wrote in message
ups.com
> Arny Krueger wrote:

>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>

>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.

>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>> origional performance.

>> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
>> fidelity audio system.

> How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?

That would be some kind of a logical impossiblity, no?

> What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
> recorder sound like anyway?

The answer varies with the instrument. I'm sorry that you need me to
tell you this, Scott.

> Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o
> dbx expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
> originates as sound is false.

I never said such a thing. However a great deal of music does exist as
live sound or something like it. Some doesn't. Is this your idea of a
news flash, Scottie? If so its pretty lame and very insulting.

Arny Krueger

April 3rd 05, 12:08 PM

> wrote in message
oups.com
> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW "The Môron" wrote :
>>
> Lionel, this "ScottW" is *not* Scott Wheeler, the well known moron,
> litigious meatball and walking audio dum-dum bullet.

Scotty is one of Art's friends. They made a big thing here about one
of their intercontinental tete-a-tete's about a year ago.

Clyde Slick

April 3rd 05, 03:09 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>> oups.com...
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for you?
>>> How
>>>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to sound.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>>>
>>> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a complete
>>> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Prove it!
>> Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>
> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>

But you sure 'use' them, Lots!

>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>
> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
> origional performance.
>
98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no origional
performance.
The 2 % or so that are live recordings of an origional performance,
well, the sound of those origional performances will vary with the
listeneners' locations. And fidelity to your beloved 'measurements'
does not guarantee fidelity to the sound of the
origional performance, at whatever location
you might chose.

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Clyde Slick

April 3rd 05, 03:15 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>
> Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>
Dave Weil

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Clyde Slick

April 3rd 05, 03:20 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
>> Lionel wrote:
>>> ScottW "The Môron" wrote :
>>>
>> Lionel, this "ScottW" is *not* Scott Wheeler, the well known moron,
>> litigious meatball and walking audio dum-dum bullet.
>
> Scotty is one of Art's friends. They made a big thing here about one
> of their intercontinental tete-a-tete's about a year ago.
>

You are so confused. You still haven't differentiated between
the two Scott's

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Lionel

April 3rd 05, 04:20 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>
>
> Dave Weil

I know.
He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
around the greatest exploit of his life.

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April 3rd 05, 05:03 PM

Lionel wrote:
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>
> > Dummy
> > Sluts
> > Slut ...she knows who she is talking
> > to.
>
> Once again an interesting demonstration of Art "old repressed
pederast"
> Sackman's strong personality... ;-)
>
>
Sack'o'**** is weak-willed and a stooge/lackey of Middius. This is well
known and oft demonstrated by sack'O's behavior. :(

> Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>
>
Master "George", of course!

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April 3rd 05, 05:07 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com
> > Lionel wrote:
> >> ScottW "The M=F4ron" wrote :
> >>
> > Lionel, this "ScottW" is *not* Scott Wheeler, the well known moron,
> > litigious meatball and walking audio dum-dum bullet.
>
> Scotty is one of Art's friends. They made a big thing here about one
> of their intercontinental tete-a-tete's about a year ago.
>
>
Yes, I know. But that doesn't put him in Wheeler's (low) class.

dave weil

April 3rd 05, 07:29 PM

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>>
>>
>> Dave Weil
>
>I know.
>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>around the greatest exploit of his life.

Are you still talking?

I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.

Lionel

April 3rd 05, 07:43 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>>>
>>>
>>>Dave Weil
>>
>>I know.
>>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>>around the greatest exploit of his life.
>
>
> Are you still talking?
>
> I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.

50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
you don't know Dave. :-)

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April 3rd 05, 08:53 PM

Lionel wrote:
> dave weil a =E9crit :
> > On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Clyde Slick a =E9crit :
> >>
> >>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>Dave Weil
> >>
> >>I know.
> >>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
> >>around the greatest exploit of his life.
> >
> >
> > Are you still talking?
> >
> > I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.
>
> 50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
> you don't know Dave. :-)
>
>
Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
maximize his gratuity. ;-)

dave weil

April 3rd 05, 09:09 PM

On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:43:32 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Dave Weil
>>>
>>>I know.
>>>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>>>around the greatest exploit of his life.
>>
>>
>> Are you still talking?
>>
>> I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.
>
>50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
>you don't know Dave. :-)

Still babbling I see.

Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...

dave weil

April 3rd 05, 09:10 PM

On 3 Apr 2005 12:53:52 -0700, wrote:

>
>Lionel wrote:
>> dave weil a écrit :
>> > On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> >>
>> >>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>Dave Weil
>> >>
>> >>I know.
>> >>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>> >>around the greatest exploit of his life.
>> >
>> >
>> > Are you still talking?
>> >
>> > I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.
>>
>> 50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
>> you don't know Dave. :-)
>>
>>
>Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
>please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
>maximize his gratuity. ;-)

Don't you have a tire to pump up? Or a corn cob to make into a pipe,
Abner?

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April 3rd 05, 09:19 PM

dave weil wrote:
> On 3 Apr 2005 12:53:52 -0700, wrote:
>
> >
> >Lionel wrote:

<snipped>
>
> >>
> >> 50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
> >> you don't know Dave. :-)
> >>
> >>
> >Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of
"check,
> >please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager
to
> >maximize his gratuity. ;-)
>
> Don't you have a tire to pump up?
>
Don't you have a doll to pump up, dave? Then, make 'er your "woman"!
;-)

dave weil

April 3rd 05, 09:23 PM

On 3 Apr 2005 13:19:30 -0700, wrote:

>> Don't you have a tire to pump up?
>>
>Don't you have a doll to pump up, dave? Then, make 'er your "woman"!
>;-)

I don't take my cues from YOUR behavior, just so you know.

ScottW

April 3rd 05, 09:41 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >>
>
> >>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>
> >> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
> >> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
> >> origional performance.
>
> >> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
> >> fidelity audio system.
>
> > How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?
>
> That would be some kind of a logical impossiblity, no?
>
> > What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
> > recorder sound like anyway?
>
> The answer varies with the instrument. I'm sorry that you need me to
> tell you this, Scott.
>
> > Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o
> > dbx expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
> > originates as sound is false.
>
> I never said such a thing. However a great deal of music does exist
as
> live sound or something like it. Some doesn't. Is this your idea of a
> news flash, Scottie?

To the average human, no. To you, quite possibly.

>If so its pretty lame and very insulting.

Poor Arnie, in additon to all your troubles we now have to add a very
thin skin to your long list of malaise.

So in the absence of a live event to reproduce, what standard can one
apply to judge fidelity?

Just consider deconstructing one side of the box you choose to enclose
yourself in... a whole new world may open before you.

ScottW

ScottW

April 3rd 05, 09:46 PM

I think that would be intracontinental.

I thought accuracy was important to you?

ScottW

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April 3rd 05, 10:01 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "ScottW" > wrote in message
> ups.com
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> >> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
> >>
>
> >>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>
> >> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
> >> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
> >> origional performance.
>
> >> Thanks Art for admitting that your goal is to not have a high
> >> fidelity audio system.
>
> > How about higher fidelity ..... better than original?
>
> That would be some kind of a logical impossiblity, no?

No.

>
> > What exactly does an electronic instrument fed directly into a
> > recorder sound like anyway?
>
> The answer varies with the instrument. I'm sorry that you need me to
> tell you this, Scott.

The answer is that it has no sound. It is just an electrical signal at
that point. I'm sorry that you need me to tell you this Arny. Scott
obviously knew this. That was why he asked a rhetorical question.

>
> > Sounds like a dbx tape played back w/o
> > dbx expansion, i.e., complete ****. Your premise that all music
> > originates as sound is false.
>
> I never said such a thing. However a great deal of music does exist
as
> live sound or something like it.

Something like it?

Some doesn't. Is this your idea of a
> news flash, Scottie? If so its pretty lame and very insulting.

Don't act so stupid and you wont be insulted so often.

Scott Wheeler

ScottW

April 3rd 05, 10:08 PM

Do your neighbors know they have a potential psychopath living close
by?

and yes... the Illini is a sport team. Now silly Frenchperson, can you
figure out what sport?

ScottW

[email protected]

April 3rd 05, 10:12 PM

ScottW wrote:
>
>
> and yes... the Illini is a sport team. Now silly Frenchperson, can
you
> figure out what sport?
>
>
Doesn't the name cover all the UI (men's) teams?

George M. Middius

April 3rd 05, 10:16 PM

dave weil said to Thing:

> Don't you have a tire to pump up? Or a corn cob to make into a pipe,
> Abner?

Exactly what are you implying about dickie/tony/cracker-boy?

At least™ he's not in jail this month. Ferstler should be proud of his
acolyte.

George M. Middius

April 3rd 05, 10:19 PM

Krooger gets a heaping helping of humiliation from the Terrierdork.

> > intercontinental [sic]

> I think that would be intracontinental.
> I thought accuracy was important to you?

Arnii, if your language skills are so poor that ScottieBorg can give you
lessons, isn't it time to end it all? You know, time to shuffle off your
****ty coil, to be no more, to take the big sleep. Just asking.

ScottW

April 3rd 05, 10:21 PM

You have a point... except you should not exclude the women's teams.

Go Illini !

ScottW

[email protected]

April 3rd 05, 10:45 PM

ScottW wrote:
> You have a point... except you should not exclude the women's teams.
>
>
Hmm....I didn't mean to exclude the women's teams, but quite a few
schools change the name to indicate that it is the womwn's team. Are
they the Lady Illini, or something similar?
>
> Go Illini !
>
>
I think this is the Tar Heels year. And, yes, I felt that way prior to
the start of the tournament.

Arny Krueger

April 3rd 05, 11:46 PM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
--
>>>>>> -- -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
you?
>>>> How
>>>>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to sound.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>>>>
>>>> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
complete
>>>> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Prove it!
>>> Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>>
>> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>>
>
> But you sure 'use' them, Lots!
>
>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>
>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>> origional performance.

> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
> origional performance.

Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.

Clyde Slick

April 4th 05, 02:29 AM

> wrote in message
oups.com...

>
>
Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
maximize his gratuity. ;-)

For you, "axle grease" works just as well.

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Clyde Slick

April 4th 05, 02:30 AM

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On 3 Apr 2005 13:19:30 -0700, wrote:
>
>>> Don't you have a tire to pump up?
>>>
>>Don't you have a doll to pump up, dave? Then, make 'er your "woman"!
>>;-)
>
> I don't take my cues from YOUR behavior, just so you know.

Strangely enough, he calls his blow up doll "Bubba".

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Clyde Slick

April 4th 05, 02:33 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>>>>>>> -- -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
> you?
>>>>> How
>>>>>>> sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed to sound.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
> complete
>>>>> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Prove it!
>>>> Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>>>
>>> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>>>
>>
>> But you sure 'use' them, Lots!
>>
>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>
>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>> origional performance.
>
>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>> origional performance.
>
> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>

If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.

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ScottW

April 4th 05, 04:39 AM

wrote:
> ScottW wrote:
> > You have a point... except you should not exclude the women's
teams.
> >
> >
> Hmm....I didn't mean to exclude the women's teams, but quite a few
> schools change the name to indicate that it is the womwn's team. Are
> they the Lady Illini, or something similar?

Not according to fightingillini.com

Even the womens gymnastics team is the Fighting Illini.

> >
> > Go Illini !
> >
> >
> I think this is the Tar Heels year. And, yes, I felt that way prior
to
> the start of the tournament.

They are a very good team but if Illinois is hitting their shots, they
are unbeatable. They haven't really shot as well as they are capable of
the whole tournament. If you saw the Wake game early in the year you
would know what I mean. Literally rained 3's on poor Wake.. they were
blown out in the first 15 minutes. And Felton has on occasion cracked
under pressure and Illini D can apply some serious ball pressure.
As always, the refs can dictate the outcome... I thought the
ticky-tack calling early in the Louisville game was gonna be the end
for Illinois but Louisville didn't shoot well at the line and then they
let 'em play more in the 2nd half and the Illini fortunately had the
fouls distributed pretty evenly across the team. Nobody had to spend
time on the bench in the second half, Williams did sit a bit in the
first and it let Louisville close to within 3. Smith came in off the
bench and played very well for awhile giving Illini size inside on the
defensive boards, drew some big fouls, hit a few shots. Unsung hero of
the game IMO.

No matter how the final turns out... this tournament has been
incredible for college basketball fans.

ScottW

Arny Krueger

April 4th 05, 09:11 AM

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
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>> --
>>>>>>>> -- -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
>>>>>>>> you? How sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed
>>>>>>>> to sound.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
>> complete
>>>>>> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Prove it!
>>>>> Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>>>>
>>>> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>>>>
>>>
>>> But you sure 'use' them, Lots!
>>>
>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>
>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>> origional performance.
>>
>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>> origional performance.
>>
>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>
>
> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.

Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.

Clyde Slick

April 4th 05, 12:40 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Mike McKelvy" > wrote in message
>>>>>>>> oups.com...
>>>>>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>>> --
>>>>>>>>> -- -------------------------------------------
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hmmm, accurate reproduction of audio signals is painful for
>>>>>>>>> you? How sad that you can't enjoy music the way it's supposed
>>>>>>>>> to sound.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You mean, the way it is supposed to measure.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Inability to observe the well-known relationship through a
>>> complete
>>>>>>> set of measurements and sound quality noted.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Prove it!
>>>>>> Without usuing your usual debatuing trade tautologies.
>>>>>
>>>>> I never usu debatuing trade tautologies
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> But you sure 'use' them, Lots!
>>>>
>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>> origional performance.
>>>
>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>> origional performance.
>>>
>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>
> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>
>

Given themany thousands of recordings I am aware of, it is
a decent number, and heavily supports the issue at hand, and refutes
your idiotic statements about 'original performances'.
You still haven't refuted my assertion, because you can't.
To do so, you would look like even more of an idiot than you
already appear to be.

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Lionel

April 4th 05, 01:20 PM

ScottW a écrit :
> Do your neighbors know they have a potential psychopath living close
> by?

Everyone is a *potential* psychopath Scott... Hopefully just
a few like you have crossed the line. ;-)

> and yes... the Illini is a sport team. Now silly Frenchperson, can you
> figure out what sport?

I am a modest hand-ball player who is not really interested
in sport as a spectator. Moreover we haven't any TV at
home... So I let you imagine my interest for the US national
sports and teams ! :-)

I know that unfortunatly nearly 30% of the Americans are
obese so I imagine that "Illini" are the world champion of
the hamburger-eaters. Right ?

:-D

Lionel

April 4th 05, 01:29 PM

Clyde "old repressed pederast" Slick a écrit :

> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>
>>
> Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
> please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
> maximize his gratuity. ;-)
>
> For you, "axle grease" works just as well.

Do you prefer sand only ?

:-D

Lionel

April 4th 05, 01:38 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 20:43:32 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Weil
>>>>
>>>>I know.
>>>>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>>>>around the greatest exploit of his life.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you still talking?
>>>
>>>I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.
>>
>>50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
>>you don't know Dave. :-)
>
>
> Still babbling I see.
>
> Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...

What is a "Dad" Dave ? Do you have any experience to share ?
Oh I see, you are still guessing... You really excel in this
matter.

Oooops sorry to disturb you, now it's time for your daily
quarter of onanism Dave !
"I'm a poor lonesome old man..." ;-)

Lionel

April 4th 05, 01:47 PM

a écrit :
> Lionel wrote:
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Sun, 03 Apr 2005 17:20:14 +0200, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Who said Mr Ferstler is a plagiarist ?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Dave Weil
>>>>
>>>>I know.
>>>>He spends a lot of efforts and time to keep alive the legend
>>>>around the greatest exploit of his life.
>>>
>>>
>>>Are you still talking?
>>>
>>>I guess the family is grateful for RAO yet again.
>>
>>50 years old and you are still speaking about things that
>>you don't know Dave. :-)
>>
>>
>
> Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
> please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
> maximize his gratuity. ;-)

IMHO he is the kind of lackey that you pay to make him shut up !

dave weil

April 4th 05, 02:14 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:38:09 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>> Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...
>
>What is a "Dad" Dave ?

I'm sorry that you have to ask.

BTW, so is your family.

[email protected]

April 4th 05, 02:18 PM

ScottW wrote:
> wrote:
> > ScottW wrote:
> > > You have a point... except you should not exclude the women's
> teams.
> > >
> > >
> > Hmm....I didn't mean to exclude the women's teams, but quite a few
> > schools change the name to indicate that it is the womwn's team.
Are
> > they the Lady Illini, or something similar?
>
> Not according to fightingillini.com
>
> Even the womens gymnastics team is the Fighting Illini.
>
>
Well, good for UI. I think that whole "Lady _____s" thing is silly and
condescending.
>
> > >
> > > Go Illini !
> > >
> > >
> > I think this is the Tar Heels year. And, yes, I felt that way prior
> to
> > the start of the tournament.
>
> They are a very good team but if Illinois is hitting their shots,
they
> are unbeatable.
>
>
I think the second half of the Michigan State game, when UNC decided to
'get after it', showed what they're capable of. I'm looking for a
mostly close game with UNC pulling away late.

And, yes, whoever wins, this has been a great tournament.

[email protected]

April 4th 05, 02:24 PM

Lionel wrote:
> Clyde "old repressed pederast" Slick a =E9crit :
>
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> >
> >>
> > Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of
"check,
> > please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table",
eager to
> > maximize his gratuity. ;-)
> >
> > For you, "axle grease" works just as well.
>
> Do you prefer sand only ?
>
> :-D
>
>
Art mixes a special preperation of sand, ground glass (from spent
output tubes, of course) and Extra Virgin olive oil. I'll leave the
rest to your imagination (but I think "Middius" is involved ;->).

[email protected]

April 4th 05, 02:31 PM

Lionel wrote:
> a =E9crit :
>
>
<snipped>
> >
> > Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of
"check,
> > please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table",
eager to
> > maximize his gratuity. ;-)
>
> IMHO he is the kind of lackey that you pay to make him shut up !
>
>
Many patrons probably give dave an extra gratuity if he promises never
to be their "server" again. :-)

ScottW

April 4th 05, 05:20 PM

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW a =E9crit :
> > Do your neighbors know they have a potential psychopath living
close
> > by?
>
> Everyone is a *potential* psychopath Scott... Hopefully just
> a few like you have crossed the line. ;-)
>
> > and yes... the Illini is a sport team. Now silly Frenchperson, can
you
> > figure out what sport?
>
> I am a modest hand-ball player who is not really interested
> in sport as a spectator. Moreover we haven't any TV at
> home... So I let you imagine my interest for the US national
> sports and teams ! :-)
>
> I know that unfortunatly nearly 30% of the Americans are
> obese so I imagine that "Illini" are the world champion of
> the hamburger-eaters. Right ?

Wrong, now that your socialist government has decided you need to work
48 hours/week perhaps they will also grant you a wage that affords you
a TV.

ScottW

Lionel

April 4th 05, 06:00 PM

In . com>, ScottW wrote :

>
> Lionel wrote:
>> ScottW a écrit :
>> > Do your neighbors know they have a potential psychopath living
> close
>> > by?
>>
>> Everyone is a *potential* psychopath Scott... Hopefully just
>> a few like you have crossed the line. ;-)
>>
>> > and yes... the Illini is a sport team. Now silly Frenchperson, can
> you
>> > figure out what sport?
>>
>> I am a modest hand-ball player who is not really interested
>> in sport as a spectator. Moreover we haven't any TV at
>> home... So I let you imagine my interest for the US national
>> sports and teams ! :-)
>>
>> I know that unfortunatly nearly 30% of the Americans are
>> obese so I imagine that "Illini" are the world champion of
>> the hamburger-eaters. Right ?
>
> Wrong,

So it must be a Sumo team ! :-D

> now that your socialist government has decided you need to work
> 48 hours/week perhaps they will also grant you a wage that affords you
> a TV.

No problem I can afford a TV, at least a small one... ;-)

When does you liberal government will decide a general diet ? It is top
urgent now, there's more sugar in the blood of the average american than in
the sugar cane.

Lionel

April 4th 05, 06:02 PM

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:38:09 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>> Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...
>>
>>What is a "Dad" Dave ?
>
> I'm sorry that you have to ask.

Don't be sorry, you'll never know.

> BTW, so is your family.

BTW.

dave weil

April 4th 05, 06:10 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:02:22 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>
>In >, dave weil wrote :
>
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:38:09 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...
>>>
>>>What is a "Dad" Dave ?
>>
>> I'm sorry that you have to ask.
>
>Don't be sorry, you'll never know.

Looks like your company is also glad that you're otherwise occupied on
RAO. Keeps you from mucking up another project.

Lionel

April 4th 05, 06:21 PM

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:02:22 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>
>>In >, dave weil wrote :
>>
>>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 14:38:09 +0200, Lionel >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Keeps dad busy in front of the computer on a Sunday night, I guess...
>>>>
>>>>What is a "Dad" Dave ?
>>>
>>> I'm sorry that you have to ask.
>>
>>Don't be sorry, you'll never know.
>
> Looks like your company is also glad that you're otherwise occupied on
> RAO.

Looks like you spend so much time on RAO that you will never find any
company. ;-)

> Keeps you from mucking up another project.

Since you are a very old man and that you haven't anymore project...

[email protected]

April 4th 05, 06:39 PM

Lionel wrote:
>
>
<snipped>
>
> When does you liberal government will decide a general diet ?
>
>

I think the current US administration (government) has decided the
American public should go eat ****.....at least that's the way it
seems. :-(

dave weil

April 4th 05, 06:40 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:21:56 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>Since you are a very old man

I guess that makes Mr. Krueger positively ancient.

ScottW

April 4th 05, 07:00 PM

And if they refuse... they will find a willing Mexican for every
willing ****ter.

Minuteman rule :).

ScottW

ScottW

April 4th 05, 07:02 PM

That is sad Lionel since a small TV is less than a good meal at Dave's
Restaurant.

ScottW

Lionel

April 4th 05, 07:34 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:21:56 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Since you are a very old man
>
>
> I guess that makes Mr. Krueger positively ancient.

I know some people of 80 years old who are younger than you,
idiot.

dave weil

April 4th 05, 07:42 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:34:40 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:21:56 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Since you are a very old man
>>
>>
>> I guess that makes Mr. Krueger positively ancient.
>
>I know some people of 80 years old who are younger than you,
>idiot.

And I know people who are 5 who are older than you, my friend.

Lionel

April 4th 05, 08:10 PM

ScottW a écrit :

> That is sad Lionel since a small TV is less than a good meal at Dave's
> Restaurant.

That's not sad in fact that's marvellous !!!
Maximum 2 days after a meal you can have purged 100% of the
bull**** that Weil has served you... Since a TV, even small,
continues long time after to pollute your mind and your
environment.

I am not jealous nor envious. Money is not a big issue for
me (at least for the moment). I have eaten recently a
fantastic "Lapin à la bière au miel et aux fruits secs" in a
small restaurant for a *ridiculous* price. It was divine.
I have eaten some marvellous fishes in Portugese restaurants
that would cost you 50 times the price I paid in a Parisian
restaurant.
Why to pay +100 euros for the same bottle of wine that you
can purchase for 10 euros only in a supermarket ?

There are still a lot places to discover where we can have a
lot of pleasure for affordable prices.

I waste my time, you are too snob and too neurasthenic to be
a real epicurean.

I wish you to buy a very large TV, so nice and so large that
jealousy will cause a coronary to your neighbour.

Cool no ?
;-)

Lionel

April 4th 05, 08:12 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 20:34:40 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>
>>>On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 19:21:56 +0200, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Since you are a very old man
>>>
>>>
>>>I guess that makes Mr. Krueger positively ancient.
>>
>>I know some people of 80 years old who are younger than you,
>>idiot.
>
>
> And I know people who are 5 who are older than you, my friend.

I am not surprise that you know such monsters.

:-D

ScottW

April 4th 05, 08:59 PM

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW a =E9crit :
>
> > That is sad Lionel since a small TV is less than a good meal at
Dave's
> > Restaurant.
>
> That's not sad in fact that's marvellous !!!
> Maximum 2 days after a meal you can have purged 100% of the
> bull**** that Weil has served you... Since a TV, even small,
> continues long time after to pollute your mind and your
> environment.
>
> I am not jealous nor envious. Money is not a big issue for
> me (at least for the moment). I have eaten recently a
> fantastic "Lapin =E0 la bi=E8re au miel et aux fruits secs" in a
> small restaurant for a *ridiculous* price. It was divine.
> I have eaten some marvellous fishes in Portugese restaurants
> that would cost you 50 times the price I paid in a Parisian
> restaurant.
> Why to pay +100 euros for the same bottle of wine that you
> can purchase for 10 euros only in a supermarket ?

10 euros is a lot of money for you. Are you sure your family couldn't
use that money for better purpose than your alchoholism?

>
> There are still a lot places to discover where we can have a
> lot of pleasure for affordable prices.
>
> I waste my time, you are too snob and too neurasthenic to be
> a real epicurean.

If you weren't envious... I could not be a snob.

>
> I wish you to buy a very large TV, so nice and so large that
> jealousy will cause a coronary to your neighbour.

Why wish bad things on my neighbor? You are a very strange poor
little man.
I'll bet you starve family for the sake of drinking cheap wine.

ScottW

Lionel

April 4th 05, 09:25 PM

In om>, ScottW wrote :

> alchoholism

"alchoholism" ????

I agree you should stop to drink.

>> There are still a lot places to discover where we can have a
>> lot of pleasure for affordable prices.
>>
>> I waste my time, you are too snob and too neurasthenic to be
>> a real epicurean.
>
> If you weren't envious... I could not be a snob.

The snobs love to think that the others are envious. Demonstration
above. ;-)

>> I wish you to buy a very large TV, so nice and so large that
>> jealousy will cause a coronary to your neighbour.
>
> Why wish bad things on my neighbor?

Because he terrifies you, scary man.

> You are a very strange poor
> little man.
> I'll bet you starve family for the sake of drinking cheap wine.

You bet and you lose. You watch too much TV, fatman.

:-D

dave weil

April 4th 05, 09:43 PM

On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:10:24 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>I waste my time

Well, that's YOUR problem, not ours...

ScottW

April 4th 05, 10:32 PM

Lionel wrote:
> In om>, ScottW
wrote :
> >
> > Why wish bad things on my neighbor?
>
> Because he terrifies you, scary man.

Obvious delusions. Eating leftovers at C grade restaurants has given
you a bug.

>
> > You are a very strange poor
> > little man.
> > I'll bet you starve family for the sake of drinking cheap wine.
>
> You bet and you lose. You watch too much TV, fatman.

You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
laptop?
Your children should want for nothing... with no TV I'm sure you can't
say that.

ScottW

George M. Middius

April 4th 05, 10:37 PM

dave weil said:

> Looks like your company is also glad that you're otherwise occupied on
> RAO. Keeps you from mucking up another project.

Slut works for the government. L'etat francais used to recruit the best and
the brightest, but NAFTA took its toll.

Clyde Slick

April 4th 05, 10:58 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde "old repressed pederast" Slick a écrit :
>
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>
>>
>>>
>> Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
>> please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
>> maximize his gratuity. ;-)
>>
>> For you, "axle grease" works just as well.
>
> Do you prefer sand only ?
>
> :-D

Only the sands of Normandy, spattered with American blood wasted
on liberating French cretins.

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April 4th 05, 11:00 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com...

Lionel wrote:
> Clyde "old repressed pederast" Slick a écrit :
>
> > > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >
> >
> >>
> > Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of
"check,
> > please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table",
eager to
> > maximize his gratuity. ;-)
> >
> > For you, "axle grease" works just as well.
>
> Do you prefer sand only ?
>
> :-D
>
>
Art mixes a special preperation of sand, ground glass (from spent
output tubes, of course) and Extra Virgin olive oil. I'll leave the
rest to your imagination (but I think "Middius" is involved ;->).

I never heard of such a concoction. It
must be something you brew in the Ozark hills.

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George M. Middius

April 4th 05, 11:08 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> I never heard of such a concoction. It
> must be something you brew in the Ozark hills.

Didn't Slut already tell us that she and Thing take turns on a bicycle sans
assiette?

Lionel

April 5th 05, 01:08 PM

ScottW a écrit :
> Lionel wrote:
>
>>In om>, ScottW
>
> wrote :
>
>>> Why wish bad things on my neighbor?
>>
>>Because he terrifies you, scary man.
>
>
> Obvious delusions. Eating leftovers at C grade restaurants has given
> you a bug.

No just the interpretation of what you have written about him.
According to your standarts you should say D grade and
perhaps E grade... :-)

>>> You are a very strange poor
>>>little man.
>>> I'll bet you starve family for the sake of drinking cheap wine.

And it's a lot of pleasure to known that *you* pay a minimum
of 50 bucks for the same bottle of wine.

>>You bet and you lose. You watch too much TV, fatman.
>
>
> You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
> than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
> laptop?

They have a laptop, it is supply free of charge by our
socialist government. ;-)

> Your children should want for nothing... with no TV I'm sure you can't
> say that.

Perhaps, but my children aren't obese.

Lionel

April 5th 05, 01:18 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Mon, 04 Apr 2005 21:10:24 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>I waste my time
>
>
> Well, that's YOUR problem, not ours...

To make you sing together with Scott "The Morôn" provide me
nearly the same pleasure that if I had forced Middius to
kiss Krueger's ass !!!!

:-D

Lionel

April 5th 05, 01:20 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde "old repressed pederast" Slick a écrit :
>>
>>
> wrote in message
oups.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lionel, when you are through toying with dave, a sharp call of "check,
>>>please!" will bring him scurrying obsequiously to the "table", eager to
>>>maximize his gratuity. ;-)
>>>
>>>For you, "axle grease" works just as well.
>>
>>Do you prefer sand only ?
>>
>>:-D
>
>
> Only the sands of Normandy, spattered with American blood wasted
> on liberating French cretins.

Have you try to tell them that in CDG airport ? Perhaps they
would have grant you a 0.5 euro discount.

;-)

Since there's flowers on the coast and fishes in the sea
this prove that Normandy hasn't been soiled by the Sackman's
blood.
How lucky we are.

:-D

Clyde Slick

April 5th 05, 01:20 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> ScottW a écrit :
>>
>> You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
>> than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
>> laptop?
>
> They have a laptop, it is supply free of charge by our socialist
> government. ;-)
>

Paid for with a stagnant economy and high unemployment.

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Lionel

April 5th 05, 01:25 PM

Lionel

April 5th 05, 01:45 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>ScottW a écrit :
>>
>>> You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
>>>than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
>>>laptop?
>>
>>They have a laptop, it is supply free of charge by our socialist
>>government. ;-)
>>
>
>
> Paid for with a stagnant economy and high unemployment.

You are "at least" as ignorant in economy than in history,
idiot.

Industrial production :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085468316&BS_IDARBO=07010000000000

General industrial turnover :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085568043&BS_IDARBO=08010000000000

Exportations :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=081926095&BS_IDARBO=13010100000000

US commercial balance :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000

French commercial balance :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000

Europe commerical balance :
http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044716390&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000

dave weil

April 5th 05, 02:38 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:25:59 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>Have you seen the results of the major French companies ?

You might want to ask Jean-Marie Messier about this one...

dave weil

April 5th 05, 02:43 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:18 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>US commercial balance :
>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>
>French commercial balance :
>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000

2004 looks like a disaster for you guys. Are you taking notes from the
Americans?

Lionel

April 5th 05, 04:19 PM

dave "Big Blinder" weil a écrit :

> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:18 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>US commercial balance :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>
>>French commercial balance :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>
>
> 2004 looks like a disaster for you guys. Are you taking notes from the
> Americans?

Poor Dave your analysis of an economical trend is nearly as
crappy as your speaker review...

;-)

dave weil

April 5th 05, 05:38 PM

On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:19:47 +0200, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave "Big Blinder" weil a écrit :
>
>> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:18 +0200, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>US commercial balance :
>>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>>
>>>French commercial balance :
>>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>
>>
>> 2004 looks like a disaster for you guys. Are you taking notes from the
>> Americans?
>
>Poor Dave your analysis of an economical trend is nearly as
>crappy as your speaker review...

So, you're saying that the drastic drop off in 2004 is a great thing?
If so, then the performance of the US over the past few years must be
positively inspiring.

Lionel

April 5th 05, 06:33 PM

dave weil a écrit :
> On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 17:19:47 +0200, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>dave "Big Blinder" weil a écrit :
>>
>>
>>>On Tue, 05 Apr 2005 14:45:18 +0200, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>US commercial balance :
>>>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>>>
>>>>French commercial balance :
>>>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>>
>>>
>>>2004 looks like a disaster for you guys. Are you taking notes from the
>>>Americans?
>>
>>Poor Dave your analysis of an economical trend is nearly as
>>crappy as your speaker review...
>
>
> So, you're saying that the drastic drop off in 2004 is a great thing?
> If so, then the performance of the US over the past few years must be
> positively inspiring.

I agree...
.... And compare to this "drastic drop" the 1929 crack was a
little fever.

:-D

Dave I'm afraid that you don't know the difference between
structural and "conjunctural". So I don't see any interest
to pursue this discussion with you. ;-)

Nota : I know that the word "conjuctural" doesn't exist.
I create it and it will be *my* translation of the french
"conjoncturel".
This should means "pertaining to a conjuncture".

Clyde Slick

April 5th 05, 11:08 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>

>>
>> Only the sands of Normandy, spattered with American blood wasted
>> on liberating French cretins.
>
> Have you try to tell them that in CDG airport ? Perhaps they would have
> grant you a 0.5 euro discount.
>

No, they didn't ask. As rude as they were, they
are no comarison to you.

>
> Since there's flowers on the coast and fishes in the sea this prove that
> Normandy hasn't been soiled by the Sackman's blood.
> How lucky we are.
>

How lucky my family is, not to have wasted their blood
to save your arrogant ass.

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April 5th 05, 11:11 PM

Clyde Slick

April 5th 05, 11:20 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>
>>>> You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
>>>>than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
>>>>laptop?
>>>
>>>They have a laptop, it is supply free of charge by our socialist
>>>government. ;-)
>>>
>>
>>
>> Paid for with a stagnant economy and high unemployment.
>
> You are "at least" as ignorant in economy than in history, idiot.
>
>
> Industrial production :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085468316&BS_IDARBO=07010000000000
>
> General industrial turnover :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085568043&BS_IDARBO=08010000000000
>
> Exportations :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=081926095&BS_IDARBO=13010100000000
>
>
> US commercial balance :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>
> French commercial balance :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>
> Europe commerical balance :
> http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044716390&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000

I see the French unemployment rate is 10%
http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9623cf96-8728-11d9-9e3c-00000e2511c8.html

French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
comapared to US $37,800
http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

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April 6th 05, 12:11 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
:

>>>>
>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>> origional performance.
>>>
>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>> origional performance.
>>>
>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>
>>
>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>
> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>
>

Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all. Let's face
it, the majority of recorded music sold has been processed, sweetened,
compressed, limited, equalized, mixed, converted, and more. I doubt if one
could get a live performance to sound even remotely similar to what is on a
commercial mixed and processed CD.

Classical is one of the last styles that has not been processed to death.
Having said that, there was a recent article in a magazine that described
the recording of an octet by a single quartet. It was done in two sessions
and then mixed. It was rather difficult but it was done. I have not
bought the CD in qustion yet, but I will.

rich

Arny Krueger

April 6th 05, 02:03 AM

R wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
> :
>
>
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>
>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>
>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>>
>>>
>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>>
>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.

> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.

Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin air
to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria for
judging audio systems.

> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
processed,
> sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed, converted, and
> more. I doubt if one could get a live performance to sound even
> remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed and processed CD.

That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to the
recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio systems
that are more accurate?

> Classical is one of the last styles that has not been processed to
> death. Having said that, there was a recent article in a magazine
> that described the recording of an octet by a single quartet. It
was
> done in two sessions and then mixed. It was rather difficult but it
> was done. I have not bought the CD in qustion yet, but I will.

IMO, not exactly processing the sound to death.

Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 02:34 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>R wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>> :
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>>>
>>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>
>> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin air
> to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria for
> judging audio systems.
>

Yet, you never refuted them,. And they wer originally offered as an
approximation.
Seems like the debating trade master lost another one.
You sure offered up a **** poor warm up
for your debate with JA!

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April 6th 05, 03:12 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:oLWdnYLLlp7sqM7fRVn-
:

> R wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>> :
>>
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective matter.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is high
>>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>
>>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>
>>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>>>
>>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>
>> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.
>
> Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin air
> to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria for
> judging audio systems.
>
>> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
> processed,
>> sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed, converted, and
>> more. I doubt if one could get a live performance to sound even
>> remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed and processed CD.
>
> That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
> Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to the
> recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio systems
> that are more accurate?

The application of EFX is a matter of personal preference. Some people
like listening to things that I could not. I assert that his claim that
98% is sweetened or in his words "manufactured", isn't too far off. I am
one of those people who doesn't buy that 98% either.

Does the synthesis of music detract from the pleasure of listening to it?
Maybe. It all depends. Why do some people cheer about Naxos recordings
and others loathe them? Personal preference. Why do some people prefer
vertical linear array speakers over point source speakers? Personal
preference.

What is your preference Arny? Accurate or enhanced music? Maybe a little
of both? I prefer my classical accurate yet for some other types of music
I must admit that I prefer it enhanced.

>
>> Classical is one of the last styles that has not been processed to
>> death. Having said that, there was a recent article in a magazine
>> that described the recording of an octet by a single quartet. It
> was
>> done in two sessions and then mixed. It was rather difficult but it
>> was done. I have not bought the CD in qustion yet, but I will.
>
> IMO, not exactly processing the sound to death.
>

No, not exactly, but it is a step in that direction and it is a technique
that, as far a classical is concerned, has been largely ignored until now.

rich

Lionel

April 6th 05, 08:22 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>ScottW a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You don't think your children couldn't find a better use for 10 euros
>>>>>than a cheap bottle of wine for you? Shoes perhaps? Or maybe a used
>>>>>laptop?
>>>>
>>>>They have a laptop, it is supply free of charge by our socialist
>>>>government. ;-)
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Paid for with a stagnant economy and high unemployment.
>>
>>You are "at least" as ignorant in economy than in history, idiot.
>>
>>
>>Industrial production :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085468316&BS_IDARBO=07010000000000
>>
>>General industrial turnover :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=085568043&BS_IDARBO=08010000000000
>>
>>Exportations :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=081926095&BS_IDARBO=13010100000000
>>
>>
>>US commercial balance :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044524111&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>
>>French commercial balance :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044605953&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>>
>>Europe commerical balance :
>>http://www.indices.insee.fr/bsweb/servlet/bsweb?action=BS_SERIE&ONGLET=1&BS_IDBANK=044716390&BS_IDARBO=16020600000000
>
>
>
> I see the French unemployment rate is 10%
> http://news.ft.com/cms/s/9623cf96-8728-11d9-9e3c-00000e2511c8.html

Measured with the US standarts it would be around 5 to 6%.
But anyway you are right it's not an honorable performance.

> French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
> comapared to US $37,800
> http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html

This above statistic is interesting only for those who are
in the average.
I am more interested in the harmonious distribution of the
income per capita than in is level. This is why I am happy
to live in my "socialist" country. ;-)
If you watch carefully this international statistic you will
see that some feodal countries have a higher average income
per capita than USA...

Lionel

April 6th 05, 08:38 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>
>
>>>Only the sands of Normandy, spattered with American blood wasted
>>>on liberating French cretins.
>>
>>Have you try to tell them that in CDG airport ? Perhaps they would have
>>grant you a 0.5 euro discount.
>>
>
>
> No, they didn't ask. As rude as they were, they
> are no comarison to you.

But you love it right ?...

:-D

>>Since there's flowers on the coast and fishes in the sea this prove that
>>Normandy hasn't been soiled by the Sackman's blood.
>>How lucky we are.
>>
>
>
> How lucky my family is, not to have wasted their blood
> to save your arrogant ass.

Thank you to confirm that...
I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage
to a member of a family of jingoist cowards.

;-)

Lionel

April 6th 05, 08:40 AM

Lionel

April 6th 05, 08:44 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>
>
>>>Only the sands of Normandy, spattered with American blood wasted
>>>on liberating French cretins.
>>
>>Have you try to tell them that in CDG airport ? Perhaps they would have
>>grant you a 0.5 euro discount.
>>
>
>
> No, they didn't ask. As rude as they were, they
> are no comarison to you.

Yes and I know that you love that... Old repressed pederast.

>>Since there's flowers on the coast and fishes in the sea this prove that
>>Normandy hasn't been soiled by the Sackman's blood.
>>How lucky we are.
>>
>
>
> How lucky my family is, not to have wasted their blood
> to save your arrogant ass.

Thank you to confirm that...
I was afraid that we could have given an unvoluntary homage
to a member of a family of jingoist cowards.

Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 12:47 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...

>
> Measured with the US standarts it would be around 5 to 6%.
> But anyway you are right it's not an honorable performance.
>
>> French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
>> comapared to US $37,800
>> http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html
>
> This above statistic is interesting only for those who are in the average.
> I am more interested in the harmonious distribution of the income per
> capita than in is level. This is why I am happy to live in my "socialist"
> country. ;-)
> If you watch carefully this international statistic you will see that some
> feodal countries have a higher average income per capita than USA...
>

Your class envy is noted.
The fact that doctors, lawyers and engineers cannot earn
much more than mere sewer inspectors must bring you great joy.
Now as for your little kiddies with their free
government laptops, they have little incentive to do more
than play video games on them, since there is lttle economic
incentive to study hard to be a professor, doctor or lawyer, than to
not study at all and become a street sweeper or burger flipper.
LOL! Maybe they will grow up to be a rude
bus attendant at CDG!

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Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 12:49 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>
> Thank you to confirm that...
> I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a member of
> a family of jingoist cowards.
>

Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.

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Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 12:50 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :

>>
>>
>> You give them courses of study in arrogance.
>
> That's right. It's a choice and I think it's better than to teach them
> racism and xenophobia.
>

Congrats!
They will be well prepared to be bus attendants
at CDG.

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Arny Krueger

April 6th 05, 02:04 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> R wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>> :
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective
matter.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is
high
>>>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>>
>>> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.
>>
>> Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin
air
>> to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria
for
>> judging audio systems.

> Yet, you never refuted them,.

Art I didn't need to refute them given that you admitted that they
were indeed fictional numbers.

>And they wer originally offered as an approximation.

Approximiation isn't the same as being made out of thin air.

> Seems like the debating trade master lost another one.

Only in your blind eyes, Art.

> You sure offered up a **** poor warm up for your debate with JA!

I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art. Over most
people's heads. They won't know what hit them unless they watch the
tape a few dozen times.

Arny Krueger

April 6th 05, 02:09 PM

R wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:oLWdnYLLlp7sqM7fRVn-
> :
>
>> R wrote:

>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>> :

>>>> R wrote:

>>> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
>>> processed, sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed,
>>> converted, and more. I doubt if one could get a live performance
>>> to sound even remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed
and
>>> processed CD.

>> That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
>> Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to the
>> recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio
>> systems that are more accurate?

> The application of EFX is a matter of personal preference.

Doesn't it depend whether the goal is a pleasant noise or high
fidelity?

> Some people like listening to things that I could not. I assert
that his
> claim that 98% is sweetened or in his words "manufactured", isn't
too
> far off. I am one of those people who doesn't buy that 98% either.

Sweetened isn't the same as manufactured unless you believe that a
bowl of strawberries becomes a 100% manufactured product the moment
you drop a grain of sugar on it.

> Does the synthesis of music detract from the pleasure of listening
to
> it? Maybe. It all depends. Why do some people cheer about Naxos
> recordings and others loathe them? Personal preference. Why do
some
> people prefer vertical linear array speakers over point source
> speakers? Personal preference.

Gee Rich, could you get further away from the discussion of recordings
and electronic equipment if you tried?

> What is your preference Arny? Accurate or enhanced music?

I think you asked the wrong question, Rich. Music is always
manufactured.

Lionel

April 6th 05, 07:09 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>>Measured with the US standarts it would be around 5 to 6%.
>>But anyway you are right it's not an honorable performance.
>>
>>
>>>French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
>>>comapared to US $37,800
>>>http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html
>>
>>This above statistic is interesting only for those who are in the average.
>>I am more interested in the harmonious distribution of the income per
>>capita than in is level. This is why I am happy to live in my "socialist"
>>country. ;-)
>>If you watch carefully this international statistic you will see that some
>>feodal countries have a higher average income per capita than USA...
>>
>
>
> Your class envy is noted.

Your stupidity has been noted since a long time, Sackman.
Ratio of people under the poverty level :
- France = 6.5%
- USA = 12%

Infant mortality rate :
- France = 4.31 per 1,000
- USA = 6.63 per 1,000

Literacy :
- France = 99%
- USA = 97%

Distribution of family income - Gini index:
- France = 32.7
- USA = 45

> The fact that doctors, lawyers and engineers cannot earn
> much more than mere sewer inspectors must bring you great joy.

I don't know what you are speaking about.
I don't know what is you profession and I really don't care
since I know that you are an idiot. ;-)

> Now as for your little kiddies with their free
> government laptops, they have little incentive to do more
> than play video games on them, since there is lttle economic
> incentive to study hard to be a professor, doctor or lawyer, than to
> not study at all and become a street sweeper or burger flipper.

My cousin is Doctor in vegetal biology she has given courses
in US university... She is now working for the INRA in
Montpellier.
I bet that you wouldn't believe me if I tell you that she
earn lot less money than my prefered baker !!!

> LOL! Maybe they will grow up to be a rude
> bus attendant at CDG!

At least they will look like less stupid than the old sad
repressed pederast jewish with his 5,00 euro bottle of water.

:-D

Lionel

April 6th 05, 07:10 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a member of
>>a family of jingoist cowards.
>>
>
>
> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.

This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't
collective.

:-D

[email protected]

April 6th 05, 07:44 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Thank you to confirm that...
> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
member of
> > a family of jingoist cowards.
> >
>
> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>
>

Brush up on American history, SackO:

http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm

Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?

Lionel

April 6th 05, 08:41 PM

a écrit :
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>
>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>
> member of
>
>>>a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>
>>
>>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>
>>
>
>
> Brush up on American history, SackO:
>
> http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>
> Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?

Forget that...
....At this time Sackman family wasn't American !

He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to
flee the sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
Ô suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim)
to pay 5 euros for little bottle of water and who feel free
to give lesson of courage and abnegation.

Nothing can stop him... :-(

[email protected]

April 6th 05, 09:30 PM

Lionel wrote:
> a =E9crit :
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >
> >>"Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>Thank you to confirm that...
> >>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
> >
> > member of
> >
> >>>a family of jingoist cowards.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
asses.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
> >
> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
> >
> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>
> Forget that...
> ...At this time Sackman family wasn't American !
>
>
Perhaps, not, but the point is still valid, IMO. All those Americans
who griped about the French being "ingrates" when they refused to
support Bush's illegal war in Iraq need a better grasp of history.
>
>
> He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to
> flee the sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
> =D4 suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim)
> to pay 5 euros for little bottle of water and who feel free
> to give lesson of courage and abnegation.
>
>
And just think, if SackO's family had not fled, Art might have the
privelege of working for Sovtek, making vacuum tubes! ;-)
>
> Nothing can stop him... :-(
>
Seems nothing can stop his boundless stupidity and his endless stream
of lame posts. :-(

Lionel

April 6th 05, 10:05 PM

In . com>,
wrote :

>
> Lionel wrote:
>> a écrit :
>> > Clyde Slick wrote:
>> >
>> >>"Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >>
>> >>>Thank you to confirm that...
>> >>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>> >
>> > member of
>> >
>> >>>a family of jingoist cowards.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
> asses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
>> >
>> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>> >
>> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>>
>> Forget that...
>> ...At this time Sackman family wasn't American !
>>
>>
> Perhaps, not, but the point is still valid, IMO. All those Americans
> who griped about the French being "ingrates" when they refused to
> support Bush's illegal war in Iraq need a better grasp of history.
>>
>>
>> He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to
>> flee the sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
>> Ô suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim)
>> to pay 5 euros for little bottle of water and who feel free
>> to give lesson of courage and abnegation.
>>
>>
> And just think, if SackO's family had not fled, Art might have the
> privelege of working for Sovtek, making vacuum tubes! ;-)

Yes in Siberia... "Vacuum tubes are the salt of the earth". :-)

>> Nothing can stop him... :-(
>>
> Seems nothing can stop his boundless stupidity and his endless stream
> of lame posts. :-(

Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 10:28 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> R wrote:
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective
> matter.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is
> high
>>>>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like the
>>>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is no
>>>>>>>> origional performance.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
>>>
>>>> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.
>>>
>>> Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin
> air
>>> to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria
> for
>>> judging audio systems.
>
>> Yet, you never refuted them,.
>
> Art I didn't need to refute them given that you admitted that they
> were indeed fictional numbers.
>
>>And they wer originally offered as an approximation.
>
> Approximiation isn't the same as being made out of thin air.
>
>> Seems like the debating trade master lost another one.
>
> Only in your blind eyes, Art.
>
>> You sure offered up a **** poor warm up for your debate with JA!
>
> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art. Over most
> people's heads. They won't know what hit them unless they watch the
> tape a few dozen times.
>
>

Krooglish is strictly forbidden.

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April 6th 05, 10:30 PM

Lionel wrote:
> In . com>,
> wrote :
>
> >
> > Lionel wrote:
> >> a =E9crit :
> >> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>"Lionel" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >>
> >> >>>Thank you to confirm that...
> >> >>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to
a
> >> >
> >> > member of
> >> >
> >> >>>a family of jingoist cowards.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
> > asses.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
> >> >
> >> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
> >>
> >> Forget that...
> >> ...At this time Sackman family wasn't American !
> >>
> >>
> > Perhaps, not, but the point is still valid, IMO. All those
Americans
> > who griped about the French being "ingrates" when they refused to
> > support Bush's illegal war in Iraq need a better grasp of history.
> >>
> >>
> >> He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to
> >> flee the sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
> >> =D4 suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim)
> >> to pay 5 euros for little bottle of water and who feel free
> >> to give lesson of courage and abnegation.
> >>
> >>
> > And just think, if SackO's family had not fled, Art might have the
> > privelege of working for Sovtek, making vacuum tubes! ;-)
>
> Yes in Siberia... "Vacuum tubes are the salt of the earth". :-)
>
>
KT88s and some hot borscht can warm the coldest Siberian night. ;-)
> >>

[email protected]

April 6th 05, 10:33 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >>> R wrote:
> >>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> > news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
> >>>> :
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> What music is 'supposed' to sound like is a subjective
> > matter.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Depends whether your goal is high fidelity. If you goal is
> > high
> >>>>>>>>> fidelity, then reproduced music is supposed to sound like
the
> >>>>>>>>> origional performance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> 98% or so of recorded music is manufactured music.There is
no
> >>>>>>>> origional performance.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Self-serving numbers manufactured out of thin air.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> If you don't like them, come up with some better ones.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks Art, for admitting that they are fictional.
> >>>
> >>>> Fictional or not, those numbers would not surpise me at all.
> >>>
> >>> Maybe, maybe not. However Art did make the numbers up out of thin
> > air
> >>> to prove the bogus point that accuracy is not a reasable criteria
> > for
> >>> judging audio systems.
> >
> >> Yet, you never refuted them,.
> >
> > Art I didn't need to refute them given that you admitted that they
> > were indeed fictional numbers.
> >
> >>And they wer originally offered as an approximation.
> >
> > Approximiation isn't the same as being made out of thin air.
> >
> >> Seems like the debating trade master lost another one.
> >
> > Only in your blind eyes, Art.
> >
> >> You sure offered up a **** poor warm up for your debate with JA!
> >
> > I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art. Over most
> > people's heads. They won't know what hit them unless they watch the
> > tape a few dozen times.
> >
> >
>
> Krooglish is strictly forbidden.
>
>
Too bad Sack'O'****lish isn't. :-((
>

Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 10:40 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>>Measured with the US standarts it would be around 5 to 6%.
>>>But anyway you are right it's not an honorable performance.
>>>
>>>
>>>>French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
>>>>comapared to US $37,800
>>>>http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html
>>>
>>>This above statistic is interesting only for those who are in the
>>>average.
>>>I am more interested in the harmonious distribution of the income per
>>>capita than in is level. This is why I am happy to live in my "socialist"
>>>country. ;-)
>>>If you watch carefully this international statistic you will see that
>>>some feodal countries have a higher average income per capita than USA...
>>>
>>
>>
>> Your class envy is noted.
>
> Your stupidity has been noted since a long time, Sackman.
> Ratio of people under the poverty level :
> - France = 6.5%
> - USA = 12%
>

Yeah, but our poverty level is twice the income as yours,
and oour povery level affords a much higher standard of living
as does your poverty level.

Apples and oranges, France's and the USA's poverty
levels are msuch diferent, and afford different standards of living.

Poverty level is defined as being below 50% of median income.
Since our median income is much higher than yours, poverty in the
USA is a much better state of being than is poverty in France.

> Infant mortality rate :
> - France = 4.31 per 1,000
> - USA = 6.63 per 1,000
>
> Literacy :
> - France = 99%
> - USA = 97%
>
> Distribution of family income - Gini index:
> - France = 32.7
> - USA = 45
>
>> The fact that doctors, lawyers and engineers cannot earn
>> much more than mere sewer inspectors must bring you great joy.
>
> I don't know what you are speaking about.
> I don't know what is you profession and I really don't care since I know
> that you are an idiot. ;-)
>
>> Now as for your little kiddies with their free
>> government laptops, they have little incentive to do more
>> than play video games on them, since there is lttle economic
>> incentive to study hard to be a professor, doctor or lawyer, than to
>> not study at all and become a street sweeper or burger flipper.
>
>
> My cousin is Doctor in vegetal biology she has given courses in US
> university... She is now working for the INRA in Montpellier.
> I bet that you wouldn't believe me if I tell you that she earn lot less
> money than my prefered baker !!!
>

I'll bet he has better buns!

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April 6th 05, 10:41 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a member
>>>of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>
> This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>

Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.

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April 6th 05, 10:43 PM

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >
>> > Thank you to confirm that...
>> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
> member of
>> > a family of jingoist cowards.
>> >
>>
>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>
>>
>
> Brush up on American history, SackO:
>
> http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>
> Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?

Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.

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April 6th 05, 10:46 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> a écrit :
>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>
>> member of
>>
>>>>a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Brush up on American history, SackO:
>>
>> http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>>
>> Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>
> Forget that...
> ...At this time Sackman family wasn't American !
>
> He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to flee the
> sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
> Ô suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim) to pay 5 euros
> for little bottle of water and who feel free to give lesson of courage and
> abnegation.
>
> Nothing can stop him... :-(

I would not call Cubans, Vietnamese, East Germans, Poles,
Russians who have fled from tyranny cowards. These are often
acts of danger and extreme courage. I would even put
French Huguenots in this category.

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April 6th 05, 11:09 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> >
> >> > Thank you to confirm that...
> >> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
> > member of
> >> > a family of jingoist cowards.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
asses.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
> >
> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
> >
> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>
> Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
> Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
> a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
> has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.
>
>
That does not change the fact that, if it weren't for French
intervention beginning in 1778, you might be saluting the Union Jack
today, SackO. The colonists were *not* going to win that war on their
own. The French made the difference - deal with it, you short-sighted
jingoist.

Lionel

April 6th 05, 11:15 PM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> a écrit :
>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>>
>>> member of
>>>
>>>>>a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Brush up on American history, SackO:
>>>
>>> http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>>>
>>> Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>>
>> Forget that...
>> ...At this time Sackman family wasn't American !
>>
>> He is belonging to a family of cowards who have prefered to flee the
>> sovietic revolution rather than to fight its tyranny...
>> Ô suprem irony, he is the guy who accepts (without a claim) to pay 5
>> euros for little bottle of water and who feel free to give lesson of
>> courage and abnegation.
>>
>> Nothing can stop him... :-(
>
> I would not call Cubans, Vietnamese, East Germans, Poles,
> Russians who have fled from tyranny cowards. These are often
> acts of danger and extreme courage.

LOL !

> I would even put
> French Huguenots in this category.

Lionel

April 6th 05, 11:22 PM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Measured with the US standarts it would be around 5 to 6%.
>>>>But anyway you are right it's not an honorable performance.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>French per capita income 2003 is $27,500
>>>>>comapared to US $37,800
>>>>>http://siakhenn.tripod.com/capita.html
>>>>
>>>>This above statistic is interesting only for those who are in the
>>>>average.
>>>>I am more interested in the harmonious distribution of the income per
>>>>capita than in is level. This is why I am happy to live in my
>>>>"socialist" country. ;-)
>>>>If you watch carefully this international statistic you will see that
>>>>some feodal countries have a higher average income per capita than
>>>>USA...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Your class envy is noted.
>>
>> Your stupidity has been noted since a long time, Sackman.
>> Ratio of people under the poverty level :
>> - France = 6.5%
>> - USA = 12%
>>
>
> Yeah, but our poverty level is twice the income as yours,
> and oour povery level affords a much higher standard of living
> as does your poverty level.

wrong !

> Apples and oranges, France's and the USA's poverty
> levels are msuch diferent, and afford different standards of living.

wrong !

> Poverty level is defined as being below 50% of median income.

wrong !

> Since our median income is much higher than yours, poverty in the
> USA is a much better state of being than is poverty in France.

wrong !

>> Infant mortality rate :
>> - France = 4.31 per 1,000
>> - USA = 6.63 per 1,000
>>
>> Literacy :
>> - France = 99%
>> - USA = 97%
>>
>> Distribution of family income - Gini index:
>> - France = 32.7
>> - USA = 45
>>
>>> The fact that doctors, lawyers and engineers cannot earn
>>> much more than mere sewer inspectors must bring you great joy.
>>
>> I don't know what you are speaking about.
>> I don't know what is you profession and I really don't care since I know
>> that you are an idiot. ;-)
>>
>>> Now as for your little kiddies with their free
>>> government laptops, they have little incentive to do more
>>> than play video games on them, since there is lttle economic
>>> incentive to study hard to be a professor, doctor or lawyer, than to
>>> not study at all and become a street sweeper or burger flipper.
>>
>>
>> My cousin is Doctor in vegetal biology she has given courses in US
>> university... She is now working for the INRA in Montpellier.
>> I bet that you wouldn't believe me if I tell you that she earn lot less
>> money than my prefered baker !!!
>>
>
> I'll bet he has better buns!

Lionel

April 6th 05, 11:26 PM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a member
>>>>of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>
>> This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>
>
>
> Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.

You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.

;-)

Clyde Slick

April 6th 05, 11:33 PM

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Clyde Slick wrote:
>> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> >
>> >> > Thank you to confirm that...
>> >> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>> > member of
>> >> > a family of jingoist cowards.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
> asses.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
>> >
>> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>> >
>> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>>
>> Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
>> Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
>> a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
>> has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.
>>
>>
> That does not change the fact that, if it weren't for French
> intervention beginning in 1778, you might be saluting the Union Jack
> today, SackO. The colonists were *not* going to win that war on their
> own. The French made the difference - deal with it, you short-sighted
> jingoist.
>

Old news. that's the problem, the French have only
stale 200 year old glory to feed on.

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April 6th 05, 11:34 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a member
>>>>>of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>
>>> This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.
>
>
> You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>
Even if I were interested, I sure as hell wouldn't
want to share it with all of French society.

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April 6th 05, 11:37 PM

Lionel wrote:
>
>
<snipped>

>
> wrong !
>
>

That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!

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April 6th 05, 11:55 PM

Clyde Slick wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >> > wrote in message
> >> oups.com...
> >> > Clyde Slick wrote:
> >> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> >> >> ...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Thank you to confirm that...
> >> >> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage
to a
> >> > member of
> >> >> > a family of jingoist cowards.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
> > asses.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
> >> >
> >> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
> >> >
> >> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
> >>
> >> Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
> >> Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
> >> a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
> >> has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.
> >>
> >>
> > That does not change the fact that, if it weren't for French
> > intervention beginning in 1778, you might be saluting the Union
Jack
> > today, SackO. The colonists were *not* going to win that war on
their
> > own. The French made the difference - deal with it, you
short-sighted
> > jingoist.
> >
>
> Old news. that's the problem, the French have only
> stale 200 year old glory to feed on.
>
>

1944 is old news, too, SackO. Perhaps you should stop mentioning the
events of that year.

Lionel

April 7th 05, 12:15 AM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>>
>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>>>>>member of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>>
>>>> This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.
>>
>>
>> You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>
> Even if I were interested, I sure as hell wouldn't
> want to share it with all of French society.

Don't exagerate you are soiling CDG airport at least once a year.

Lionel

April 7th 05, 12:19 AM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>> > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>> > Clyde Slick wrote:
>>> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>> >> ...
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Thank you to confirm that...
>>> >> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>> > member of
>>> >> > a family of jingoist cowards.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
>> asses.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >
>>> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
>>> >
>>> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>>> >
>>> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>>>
>>> Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
>>> Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
>>> a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
>>> has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.
>>>
>>>
>> That does not change the fact that, if it weren't for French
>> intervention beginning in 1778, you might be saluting the Union Jack
>> today, SackO. The colonists were *not* going to win that war on their
>> own. The French made the difference - deal with it, you short-sighted
>> jingoist.
>>
>
> Old news. that's the problem, the French have only
> stale 200 year old glory to feed on.

And considering your definition of Sackman family glory, I think it's better
like that.

:-)

Lionel

April 7th 05, 12:26 AM

In . com>,
wrote :

> Lionel wrote:
>>
>>
> <snipped>
>
>
>>
>> wrong !
>>
>>
>
> That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!

Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.

Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 01:43 AM

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Clyde Slick wrote:
>> > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> > Clyde Slick wrote:
>> >> > wrote in message
>> >> oups.com...
>> >> > Clyde Slick wrote:
>> >> >> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> >> >> ...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Thank you to confirm that...
>> >> >> > I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage
> to a
>> >> > member of
>> >> >> > a family of jingoist cowards.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective
>> > asses.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Brush up on American history, SackO:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://www.eyewitnesstohistory.com/pfyorktown.htm
>> >> >
>> >> > Seems the French helped save *our* bacon way back when, eh?
>> >>
>> >> Waaaaaaaaaay back when.
>> >> Living off the glory of 200 years ago. Yes, there was once
>> >> a time when France mattered, in world affairs. That time
>> >> has long passed. Too bad the French can't come to grips with it.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > That does not change the fact that, if it weren't for French
>> > intervention beginning in 1778, you might be saluting the Union
> Jack
>> > today, SackO. The colonists were *not* going to win that war on
> their
>> > own. The French made the difference - deal with it, you
> short-sighted
>> > jingoist.
>> >
>>
>> Old news. that's the problem, the French have only
>> stale 200 year old glory to feed on.
>>
>>
>
> 1944 is old news, too, SackO. Perhaps you should stop mentioning the
> events of that year.
>

Inability to campare the timeliness/staleness between
1944 and 1781 duly noted.

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April 7th 05, 01:44 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>
>>
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>>> ...
>>>>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>>>>>>member of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>>>
>>>>> This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.
>>>
>>>
>>> You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>
>> Even if I were interested, I sure as hell wouldn't
>> want to share it with all of French society.
>
> Don't exagerate you are soiling CDG airport at least once a year.
>

more like 8 times a year, considering round trips.
Don't worry, I flush the toilet with 5 Euro water.

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April 7th 05, 01:48 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:D6mdnS4Gv64WQs7fRVn-
:

> R wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:oLWdnYLLlp7sqM7fRVn-
>> :
>>
>>> R wrote:
>
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>>> :
>
>>>>> R wrote:
>
>>>> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
>>>> processed, sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed,
>>>> converted, and more. I doubt if one could get a live performance
>>>> to sound even remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed
> and
>>>> processed CD.
>
>>> That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
>>> Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to the
>>> recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio
>>> systems that are more accurate?
>
>> The application of EFX is a matter of personal preference.
>
> Doesn't it depend whether the goal is a pleasant noise or high
> fidelity?

One man's music is another man's noise.

>
>> Some people like listening to things that I could not. I assert
> that his
>> claim that 98% is sweetened or in his words "manufactured", isn't
> too
>> far off. I am one of those people who doesn't buy that 98% either.
>
> Sweetened isn't the same as manufactured unless you believe that a
> bowl of strawberries becomes a 100% manufactured product the moment
> you drop a grain of sugar on it.
>

More like if all the berries were glazed. One does not sweeten a single
note.

>> Does the synthesis of music detract from the pleasure of listening
> to
>> it? Maybe. It all depends. Why do some people cheer about Naxos
>> recordings and others loathe them? Personal preference. Why do
> some
>> people prefer vertical linear array speakers over point source
>> speakers? Personal preference.
>
> Gee Rich, could you get further away from the discussion of recordings
> and electronic equipment if you tried?
>

Let's see...sythesizers, recording techniques, and speaker systems. Yup,
that really is far removed from recordings and equipment all right. <shrug>

My point was that personal preference in listening to music generally takes
precedence.

>> What is your preference Arny? Accurate or enhanced music?
>
> I think you asked the wrong question, Rich. Music is always
> manufactured.
>

I will take that as a 'yes' to both with a qualifying 'depending' which
incidentally is exactly how I would have to answer.

I mostly prefer accurate but OTOH I have been known to listen to some
recordings that need a little help and they receive it. While not planned
at all, I am listening to a 1958 mono recording of "La Boheme" and I am
processing it and enjoying it immensely. Much more so than if I left it
alone. If I listen to the 1972 performance it requires nothing added or
processed just like the 2001 performance I have. The latter 2 are just
fine sraight out of the box.

The 1958 Mimi is a clear and wonderful in her diction as one could possibly
want no matter if it were live or reproduced. Her singing is sweet and
without excessive vibrato, which can kill an otherwise wonderful perfomance
before it has a chance to get going. Rodolfo is equally great. The entire
cast is wonderful.

If you do not appreciate opera than you have no idea what I am talking
about or referring to.

rich

--

EddieM

April 7th 05, 01:54 AM

> Lionel wrote
>
>
>
> You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>
> ;-)

Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
of that.

Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 01:55 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> In . com>,
> wrote :
>
>> Lionel wrote:
>>>
>>>
>> <snipped>
>>
>>
>>>
>>> wrong !
>>>
>>>
>>
>> That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>
> Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.

Even Kroologic won't support such
an idiotic statement as that.

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April 7th 05, 02:18 AM

EddieM wrote:
> > Lionel wrote
> >
> >
> >
> > You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
> >
> > ;-)
>
>
> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>
>
Why is that, "Eddie"?
>
> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
> of that.
>
>
But no evidence is needed in order to accuse Arny, right Dorko?

EddieM

April 7th 05, 02:36 AM

> wrote
>> EddieM wrote:
>> > Lionel wrote
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>> >
>> > ;-)
>>
>>
>> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>
>>
> Why is that, "Eddie"?
>>
>> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>> of that.
>>
>>
> But no evidence is needed in order to accuse Arny,
> right Dorko?

These had been substantiated so, go ahead and pull your
head out of his ass first.

MINe 109

April 7th 05, 02:42 AM

In article >,
R > wrote:

> The 1958 Mimi

Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas doesn't fit
your description. Who is it?

Stephen

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April 7th 05, 02:53 AM

EddieM wrote:
> > wrote
> >> EddieM wrote:
> >> > Lionel wrote
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
> >> >
> >> > ;-)
> >>
> >>
> >> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
> >>
> >>
> > Why is that, "Eddie"?
> >>
> >> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
> >> of that.
> >>
> >>
> > But no evidence is needed in order to accuse Arny,
> > right Dorko?
>
> These had been substantiated
>
>
Oh, really? Got a Google reference or some other *evidence*, "Eddie"?
>
>
> so, go ahead and pull your
> head out of his ass first.
>
>
Whatever you say, "Eddie". BTW, what kind of meds did the doctors put
you on?

EddieM

April 7th 05, 04:27 AM

> wrote
> EddieM wrote:
>> > wrote
>> >> EddieM wrote:
>> >> > Lionel wrote
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> > You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>> >> >
>> >> > ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > Why is that, "Eddie"?
>> >>
>> >> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>> >> of that.
>> >>
>> >>
>> > But no evidence is needed in order to accuse Arny,
>> > right Dorko?
>>
>> These had been substantiated
>>
>>
> Oh, really? Got a Google reference or some other
> *evidence*, "Eddie"?

Listen you son of a bitch, you are not important to me.
Who the **** do you think you are that I should do as you
wish ****in ****. **** you.

>> so, go ahead and pull your
>> head out of his ass first.
>>
>>
> Whatever you say, "Eddie". BTW, what kind of meds did
> the doctors put you on?

**** you. Bring on your playmates, line them up you
son of a bitch and go **** yourself, you ****ed sore.
**** you

[email protected]

April 7th 05, 04:38 AM

EddieM wrote:
> > wrote
> > EddieM wrote:
> >> > wrote
> >> >> EddieM wrote:
> >> >> > Lionel wrote
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> > You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > ;-)
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > Why is that, "Eddie"?
> >> >>
> >> >> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
> >> >> of that.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> > But no evidence is needed in order to accuse Arny,
> >> > right Dorko?
> >>
> >> These had been substantiated
> >>
> >>
> > Oh, really? Got a Google reference or some other
> > *evidence*, "Eddie"?
>
>
> Listen you son of a bitch, you are not important to me.
> Who the **** do you think you are that I should do as you
> wish ****in ****. **** you.
>
>
Lack of evidence duly noted, "Eddie".
>
>
> >> so, go ahead and pull your
> >> head out of his ass first.
> >>
> >>
> > Whatever you say, "Eddie". BTW, what kind of meds did
> > the doctors put you on?
>
>
> **** you. Bring on your playmates, line them up you
> son of a bitch and go **** yourself, you ****ed sore.
> **** you
>
>
You have a way with words, "Eddie". Did anyone in your family get past
the fourth grade?

Lionel

April 7th 05, 08:06 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>>>>>>>member of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Even if I were interested, I sure as hell wouldn't
>>>want to share it with all of French society.
>>
>>Don't exagerate you are soiling CDG airport at least once a year.
>>
>
>
> more like 8 times a year, considering round trips.
> Don't worry, I flush the toilet with 5 Euro water.

Oh I see... And you drink the Javel water.

:-D

Poor Sackman.

Lionel

April 7th 05, 08:17 AM

EddieM a écrit :
>>Lionel wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>
>>;-)
>
>
>
> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.

Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had
real discussions with Arnold Krueger.

> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
> of that.

After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the
following characterization :
1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
2 - He is a repressed pederast.

IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).

Lionel

April 7th 05, 08:41 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>
>>
>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>><snipped>
>>>
>>>
>>>>wrong !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>
>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>
>
> Even Kroologic won't support such
> an idiotic statement as that.

I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have
written about the poverty line statistic is false.

Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I
sincerely think that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)

Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 11:37 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>>In >, Clyde Slick wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thank you to confirm that...
>>>>>>>>>I was afraid that we have could given an unvoluntary homage to a
>>>>>>>>>member of a family of jingoist cowards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Several of which risked such harm when saving your collective asses.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>This is a major difference with Middius one, my ass isn't collective.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Gee, I thought you had a Socialist ass.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Even if I were interested, I sure as hell wouldn't
>>>>want to share it with all of French society.
>>>
>>>Don't exagerate you are soiling CDG airport at least once a year.
>>>
>>
>>
>> more like 8 times a year, considering round trips.
>> Don't worry, I flush the toilet with 5 Euro water.
>
> Oh I see... And you drink the Javel water.
>
The same water as in French soft drinks

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Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 11:39 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> EddieM a écrit :
>>>Lionel wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>
>>>;-)
>>
>>
>>
>> Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>
> Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
> discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>
>> You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>> of that.
>
> After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
> characterization :
> 1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
> 2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>
> IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).

This ridiculous analysis is what happens
when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.

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Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 11:40 AM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>>
>>>
>>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>><snipped>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>wrong !
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>>
>>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>>
>>
>> Even Kroologic won't support such
>> an idiotic statement as that.
>
> I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have written about the
> poverty line statistic is false.
>
> Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I sincerely think
> that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)

Wrong, I provided the back up statisitics several months ago.

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Lionel

April 7th 05, 11:45 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>wrong !
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>>>
>>>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>>>
>>>
>>>Even Kroologic won't support such
>>>an idiotic statement as that.
>>
>>I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have written about the
>>poverty line statistic is false.
>>
>>Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I sincerely think
>>that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)
>
>
> Wrong, I provided the back up statisitics several months ago.

You are a liar your definition of the "poverty line" was
false and you have proven that you don't understand what's
the "GDP per capita".

So by the above you confirm that you are an idiot liar...
....or a liar idiot.

:-D

Lionel

April 7th 05, 11:55 AM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>EddieM a écrit :
>>
>>>>Lionel wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>
>>>>;-)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>
>>Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
>>discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>>
>>
>>>You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>>>of that.
>>
>>After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
>>characterization :
>>1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
>>2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>>
>>IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).
>
>
> This ridiculous analysis is what happens
> when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.

My conclusion was a little bit unprecise :
IMHO you are a *repressed* pederast because of your lack of
personality.
Without any doubt this is the influence of a skittish and
tyrannic jewish mama full of dogmas and superstitions.

Poor Sackman his mother have made an empty bag of him...

;-)

Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 12:42 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>wrong !
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Even Kroologic won't support such
>>>>an idiotic statement as that.
>>>
>>>I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have written about the
>>>poverty line statistic is false.
>>>
>>>Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I sincerely think
>>>that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)
>>
>>
>> Wrong, I provided the back up statisitics several months ago.
>
> You are a liar your definition of the "poverty line" was false and you
> have proven that you don't understand what's the "GDP per capita".
>
> So by the above you confirm that you are an idiot liar...
> ...or a liar idiot.
>

It's 1:41 PM over there. Shouldn't you be out inspecting
sewers right now?

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Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 12:42 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>EddieM a écrit :
>>>
>>>>>Lionel wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>>
>>>>>;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>>
>>>Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
>>>discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>>>
>>>
>>>>You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>>>>of that.
>>>
>>>After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
>>>characterization :
>>>1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
>>>2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>>>
>>>IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).
>>
>>
>> This ridiculous analysis is what happens
>> when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.
>
> My conclusion was a little bit unprecise :
> IMHO you are a *repressed* pederast because of your lack of personality.
> Without any doubt this is the influence of a skittish and tyrannic jewish
> mama full of dogmas and superstitions.
>
> Poor Sackman his mother have made an empty bag of him...
>

"at least" she made good chicken soup.

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Arny Krueger

April 7th 05, 01:53 PM

R wrote:
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:D6mdnS4Gv64WQs7fRVn-
> :
>
>> R wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
news:oLWdnYLLlp7sqM7fRVn-
>>> :
>>>
>>>> R wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>>>> :
>>
>>>>>> R wrote:
>>
>>>>> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
>>>>> processed, sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed,
>>>>> converted, and more. I doubt if one could get a live
performance
>>>>> to sound even remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed
>> and
>>>>> processed CD.
>>
>>>> That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
>>>> Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to
the
>>>> recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio
>>>> systems that are more accurate?
>>
>>> The application of EFX is a matter of personal preference.
>>
>> Doesn't it depend whether the goal is a pleasant noise or high
>> fidelity?

> One man's music is another man's noise.

That's really no answer.

>>> Some people like listening to things that I could not. I assert
>> that his
>>> claim that 98% is sweetened or in his words "manufactured", isn't
>> too
>>> far off. I am one of those people who doesn't buy that 98%
either.
>>
>> Sweetened isn't the same as manufactured unless you believe that a
>> bowl of strawberries becomes a 100% manufactured product the moment
>> you drop a grain of sugar on it.
>>
>
> More like if all the berries were glazed. One does not sweeten a
> single note.

Actually, in real-world recording one often does sweeten one note or
just a few.

>>> Does the synthesis of music detract from the pleasure of listening
to
>>> it? Maybe. It all depends. Why do some people cheer about Naxos
>>> recordings and others loathe them? Personal preference. Why do
>> some
>>> people prefer vertical linear array speakers over point source
>>> speakers? Personal preference.

>> Gee Rich, could you get further away from the discussion of
>> recordings and electronic equipment if you tried?

> Let's see...sythesizers, recording techniques, and speaker systems.
> Yup, that really is far removed from recordings and equipment all
> right. <shrug>

If you want to be as unresponsive as possible Rich, be my guest! Just
don't expect me to reply again.

> My point was that personal preference in listening to music
generally
> takes precedence.

My point is that most people don't listen to music to hear their own
creation unless they are a recordist or musician, those being a small
fraction of the total audience for a recording. They listen to music
to hear what someone else wants to communicate to them. The more you
meddle with the music, the less likely full communication with the
origional creative people is possible.

>>> What is your preference Arny? Accurate or enhanced music?

>> I think you asked the wrong question, Rich. Music is always
>> manufactured.

> I will take that as a 'yes' to both with a qualifying 'depending'
> which incidentally is exactly how I would have to answer.

No way did I say yes, Rich. Talk about a communications breakdown!

> I mostly prefer accurate but OTOH I have been known to listen to
some
> recordings that need a little help and they receive it. While not
> planned at all, I am listening to a 1958 mono recording of "La
> Boheme" and I am processing it and enjoying it immensely. Much
more
> so than if I left it alone. If I listen to the 1972 performance it
> requires nothing added or processed just like the 2001 performance I
> have. The latter 2 are just fine sraight out of the box.

> The 1958 Mimi is a clear and wonderful in her diction as one could
> possibly want no matter if it were live or reproduced. Her singing
> is sweet and without excessive vibrato, which can kill an otherwise
> wonderful perfomance before it has a chance to get going. Rodolfo is
> equally great. The entire cast is wonderful.
>
> If you do not appreciate opera than you have no idea what I am
talking
> about or referring to.

Actually, just about every aspect of music that you listed here
relates to music in general, but Rich your self-centeredness
apparently keeps you from knowing that.

It's all about you Rich, isn't it?

Ruud Broens

April 7th 05, 03:50 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

: My point is that most people don't listen to music to hear their own
: creation unless they are a recordist or musician, those being a small
: fraction of the total audience for a recording. They listen to music
: to hear what someone else wants to communicate to them. The more you
: meddle with the music, the less likely full communication with the
: origional creative people is possible.

You have a tv set, Arny ?
Then surely, you have the color / contrast settings unchanged since you got it,
lest you would meddle with the pictures :
"the less likely full communication with the origional creative people is
possible."

hm, what is wrong with this picture ? ;-)
Rudy

Arny Krueger

April 7th 05, 04:13 PM

Ruud Broens wrote:

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>> My point is that most people don't listen to music to hear their
own
>> creation unless they are a recordist or musician, those being a
small
>> fraction of the total audience for a recording. They listen to
music
>> to hear what someone else wants to communicate to them. The more
you
>> meddle with the music, the less likely full communication with the
>> origional creative people is possible.

> You have a tv set, Arny ?

Yes just one, a Maganavox/Philips 32 incher.

> Then surely, you have the color / contrast settings unchanged since
> you got it, lest you would meddle with the pictures :

This is in fact almost the exact truth. Despite the old saw about NTSC
being "Never The Same Color Twice", I can count the number of times
I've messed with the color adjustments of my TV on one hand. I've
always ended up returning them to the as-delivered state.

> "the less likely full communication with the origional creative
> people is possible."

> hm, what is wrong with this picture ? ;-)

What's wrong is the nasty sound your metaphor made when it collapsed,
Rudy. ;-)

April 7th 05, 04:39 PM

MINe 109 > wrote in news:smcatut-
:

> In article >,
> R > wrote:
>
>> The 1958 Mimi
>
> Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas doesn't fit
> your description. Who is it?
>
> Stephen

I typo'd the year dammit. 1956 performance released in 57 and it is indeed
De Los Angeles.

rich
--

April 7th 05, 06:15 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:O5udna2FxbDLsMjfRVn-
:

> R wrote:
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:D6mdnS4Gv64WQs7fRVn-
>> :
>>
>>> R wrote:
>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> news:oLWdnYLLlp7sqM7fRVn-
>>>> :
>>>>
>>>>> R wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
>>>>>> :
>>>
>>>>>>> R wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> Let's face it, the majority of recorded music sold has been
>>>>>> processed, sweetened, compressed, limited, equalized, mixed,
>>>>>> converted, and more. I doubt if one could get a live
> performance
>>>>>> to sound even remotely similar to what is on a commercial mixed
>>> and
>>>>>> processed CD.
>>>
>>>>> That obviously depends on the CD. But, are you then agreeing with
>>>>> Art's claims that having audio gear that applies global EFX to
> the
>>>>> recordings is plays is superior and always preferable to audio
>>>>> systems that are more accurate?
>>>
>>>> The application of EFX is a matter of personal preference.
>>>
>>> Doesn't it depend whether the goal is a pleasant noise or high
>>> fidelity?
>
>> One man's music is another man's noise.
>
> That's really no answer.

Interesting reply Arny. Apparantly I have failed to make my point clear.
It would appear that Art's goals in music reproduction are not the same as
mine and possibly yours. Art really likes processing his music. I don't.
I believe that you don't like processing your music either.

Art's goals in music reproduction are different, not wrong. Art, if I get
something wrong, please feel free to correct me, but it would appear Art
likes a lot of "sizzle" with his steak whereas you and I care more about
the steak. The sizzle adds nothing for us. That is as close as I can come
with an analogy.

Two different goals for music. Neither wrong. The common goal is to enjoy
music. The difference is in what it should sound like for maximum
enjoyment.

>
>>>> Some people like listening to things that I could not. I assert
>>> that his
>>>> claim that 98% is sweetened or in his words "manufactured", isn't
>>> too
>>>> far off. I am one of those people who doesn't buy that 98%
> either.
>>>
>>> Sweetened isn't the same as manufactured unless you believe that a
>>> bowl of strawberries becomes a 100% manufactured product the moment
>>> you drop a grain of sugar on it.
>>>
>>
>> More like if all the berries were glazed. One does not sweeten a
>> single note.
>
> Actually, in real-world recording one often does sweeten one note or
> just a few.

Really? Well that certainly is different from my previous experiences.
Editing took care of single note or a cluster of notes whereas sweeting
took care of the entire session. I guess that really dates me.

>
>>>> Does the synthesis of music detract from the pleasure of listening
> to
>>>> it? Maybe. It all depends. Why do some people cheer about Naxos
>>>> recordings and others loathe them? Personal preference. Why do
>>> some
>>>> people prefer vertical linear array speakers over point source
>>>> speakers? Personal preference.
>
>>> Gee Rich, could you get further away from the discussion of
>>> recordings and electronic equipment if you tried?
>
>> Let's see...sythesizers, recording techniques, and speaker systems.
>> Yup, that really is far removed from recordings and equipment all
>> right. <shrug>
>
> If you want to be as unresponsive as possible Rich, be my guest! Just
> don't expect me to reply again.
>

I think you know me better than that. It was a rather long winded way to
say that i don't have a clue what you are referring to. If you would like
to start the previous section over again so that we can better understand
each other, I would be willing to give it a go.

>> My point was that personal preference in listening to music
> generally
>> takes precedence.
>
> My point is that most people don't listen to music to hear their own
> creation unless they are a recordist or musician, those being a small
> fraction of the total audience for a recording. They listen to music
> to hear what someone else wants to communicate to them. The more you
> meddle with the music, the less likely full communication with the
> origional creative people is possible.

That is a true statement and one that I wholly agree with in the vast
majority of cases. However, having said that I know that there are those
that prefer to process/modify the sound being reproduced. They like it and
like it a lot. I think it is great that they can do that and that it makes
them happy. That is not for me and it would seem that you don't care for
it either. Put another way, I prefer my music just the way it comes off
the CDP. Nothing added or changed or deleted.

>
>>>> What is your preference Arny? Accurate or enhanced music?
>
>>> I think you asked the wrong question, Rich. Music is always
>>> manufactured.
>
>> I will take that as a 'yes' to both with a qualifying 'depending'
>> which incidentally is exactly how I would have to answer.
>
> No way did I say yes, Rich. Talk about a communications breakdown!
>

I know you didn't say yes and you didn't say no either but since you
refused to answer it, I felt thatthe question had to be resolved somehow.
Logically I felt it would be the most likely answer.

If your decide to never use any enhancement/modification capabilities if
they exist in your system, I respect your choice in the matter. I however
believe there is a time and a place for everything. While it is rare that
I do modify/enhance the music, I do apply enhancements/modifications
occasionally when trying to correct some technical difficulty.

>> I mostly prefer accurate but OTOH I have been known to listen to
> some
>> recordings that need a little help and they receive it. While not
>> planned at all, I am listening to a 1958 mono recording of "La
>> Boheme" and I am processing it and enjoying it immensely. Much
> more
>> so than if I left it alone. If I listen to the 1972 performance it
>> requires nothing added or processed just like the 2001 performance I
>> have. The latter 2 are just fine sraight out of the box.
>
>> The 1958 Mimi is a clear and wonderful in her diction as one could
>> possibly want no matter if it were live or reproduced. Her singing
>> is sweet and without excessive vibrato, which can kill an otherwise
>> wonderful perfomance before it has a chance to get going. Rodolfo is
>> equally great. The entire cast is wonderful.
>>
>> If you do not appreciate opera than you have no idea what I am
> talking
>> about or referring to.
>
> Actually, just about every aspect of music that you listed here
> relates to music in general, but Rich your self-centeredness
> apparently keeps you from knowing that.

Really? I fail to see how the qualities of the opera decsribed apply to
all music .

>
> It's all about you Rich, isn't it?
>
>

As a matter of fact it is all about me and my attempts to communicate the
emotions I feel. You act as if that were a bad thing. Is the attempt to
communicate to another person or persons the emotions one feels when
listening to music offending to you? If so, then I must apologize as I did
not know it would upset you.

In my life I have discovered that what I like *is* what I like. Others
may, or may not, like what I like. I respect that. Some may consider this
respect for others to be socially undesireable, but showing and more
importantly, actually having respect for others and their choices is just
the way I am. I cannot change that nor do I wish to.

The only real problem I have is when people try to tell me what I should
like, should not like, or what opinion I should have. It is at that point
in time that I feel that others are denying me certain rights and freedoms.

If I offend you by assuming too much or too little then I apologize. I
believe it is due to the fact that I don't know your experiences or
preferences that well and due to my deficiencies in that area, it would
seem that it causes issues. Please accept my apologies.

rich

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MINe 109

April 7th 05, 06:35 PM

In article >,
R > wrote:

> MINe 109 > wrote in news:smcatut-
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > R > wrote:
> >
> >> The 1958 Mimi
> >
> > Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas doesn't fit
> > your description. Who is it?

> I typo'd the year dammit. 1956 performance released in 57 and it is indeed
> De Los Angeles.

Ah! I've read that some actually like the fake-stereo reissue I have on
lp. I don't have a mono to compare, but I'm reasonably happy with what I
have.

De Los Angeles is wonderful. She always gets me with "senza rancor".

Stephen

April 7th 05, 06:56 PM

MINe 109 > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> R > wrote:
>
>> MINe 109 > wrote in news:smcatut-
>> :
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > R > wrote:
>> >
>> >> The 1958 Mimi
>> >
>> > Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas doesn't
>> > fit your description. Who is it?
>
>> I typo'd the year dammit. 1956 performance released in 57 and it is
>> indeed De Los Angeles.
>
> Ah! I've read that some actually like the fake-stereo reissue I have on
> lp. I don't have a mono to compare, but I'm reasonably happy with what I
> have.
>
> De Los Angeles is wonderful. She always gets me with "senza rancor".
>
> Stephen
>

The CD I have is indeed mono so this reissue has not been tampered with.
Just to be sure I checked with the oscilloscope and it agrees with the
"Mono" designation on the CD and my ears.

http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2643274

rich

--

MINe 109

April 7th 05, 08:52 PM

In article >,
R > wrote:

> MINe 109 > wrote in
> :
>
> > In article >,
> > R > wrote:
> >
> >> MINe 109 > wrote in news:smcatut-
> >> :
> >>
> >> > In article >,
> >> > R > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> The 1958 Mimi
> >> >
> >> > Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas doesn't
> >> > fit your description. Who is it?
> >
> >> I typo'd the year dammit. 1956 performance released in 57 and it is
> >> indeed De Los Angeles.
> >
> > Ah! I've read that some actually like the fake-stereo reissue I have on
> > lp. I don't have a mono to compare, but I'm reasonably happy with what I
> > have.
> >
> > De Los Angeles is wonderful. She always gets me with "senza rancor".

> The CD I have is indeed mono so this reissue has not been tampered with.
> Just to be sure I checked with the oscilloscope and it agrees with the
> "Mono" designation on the CD and my ears.
>
> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2643274

I found a post describing the lp as "pseudo-stereo," with the original
mono orchestra spread over the two channels and the voices placed
wherever the producer thought best for portraying the action onstage.

Chances are the pseudo-stereo won't be reissued, but in this case the
method gives a better effect than most fake stereo. It might be fun to
have the original format with orchestra in one channel and the voices in
the other, especially for home mix/synthesize/remaster types.

Stephen

Lionel

April 7th 05, 09:11 PM

Lionel

April 7th 05, 09:13 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>EddieM a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>Lionel wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>>>
>>>>Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
>>>>discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>>>>>of that.
>>>>
>>>>After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
>>>>characterization :
>>>>1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
>>>>2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>>>>
>>>>IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).
>>>
>>>
>>>This ridiculous analysis is what happens
>>>when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.
>>
>>My conclusion was a little bit unprecise :
>>IMHO you are a *repressed* pederast because of your lack of personality.
>>Without any doubt this is the influence of a skittish and tyrannic jewish
>>mama full of dogmas and superstitions.
>>
>>Poor Sackman his mother have made an empty bag of him...
>>
>
>
> "at least" she made good chicken soup.

She's marvellous, she's has also made a big chicken son !

:-D

April 7th 05, 10:27 PM

MINe 109 > wrote in
:

> In article >,
> R > wrote:
>
>> MINe 109 > wrote in
>> :
>>
>> > In article >,
>> > R > wrote:
>> >
>> >> MINe 109 > wrote in news:smcatut-
>> >> :
>> >>
>> >> > In article >,
>> >> > R > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> The 1958 Mimi
>> >> >
>> >> > Okay: De Los Angeles is 1957 and Tebaldi is 1959. And Callas
>> >> > doesn't fit your description. Who is it?
>> >
>> >> I typo'd the year dammit. 1956 performance released in 57 and it is
>> >> indeed De Los Angeles.
>> >
>> > Ah! I've read that some actually like the fake-stereo reissue I have
>> > on lp. I don't have a mono to compare, but I'm reasonably happy with
>> > what I have.
>> >
>> > De Los Angeles is wonderful. She always gets me with "senza rancor".
>
>> The CD I have is indeed mono so this reissue has not been tampered
>> with. Just to be sure I checked with the oscilloscope and it agrees
>> with the "Mono" designation on the CD and my ears.
>>
>> http://www.towerrecords.com/product.aspx?pfid=2643274
>
> I found a post describing the lp as "pseudo-stereo," with the original
> mono orchestra spread over the two channels and the voices placed
> wherever the producer thought best for portraying the action onstage.
>
> Chances are the pseudo-stereo won't be reissued, but in this case the
> method gives a better effect than most fake stereo. It might be fun to
> have the original format with orchestra in one channel and the voices in
> the other, especially for home mix/synthesize/remaster types.
>
> Stephen
>

What I used was a Hughes AK100 to enhance the mono. It gave the
spaciousness of stereo but it couldn't help the imaging. Better than
nothing but I enjoyed the effect anyway.

rich
--

George M. Middius

April 7th 05, 10:59 PM

The Big **** defecates on another would-be Kroopologist.

> That's really no answer.

> >> Gee Rich, could you get further away from the discussion of
> >> recordings and electronic equipment if you tried?

> If you want to be as unresponsive as possible Rich, be my guest! Just
> don't expect me to reply again.

> but Rich your self-centeredness
> apparently keeps you from knowing that.

> It's all about you Rich, isn't it?

Arnii doesn't want you for a friend unless you're willing to eat his ****.

George M. Middius

April 7th 05, 11:01 PM

Robot kisses up to Turdborg.

> If I offend you by assuming too much or too little then I apologize.

What motivates you to debase yourself like this? Is it compassion, or
nerd-loyalty, or pity, or what?

Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 11:32 PM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> Actually, just about every aspect of music that you listed here
> relates to music in general, but Rich your self-centeredness
> apparently keeps you from knowing that.
>
> It's all about you Rich, isn't it?
>

If irony were a speeding bus headng towards
Arny Krueger trying to walk across the street.

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Clyde Slick

April 7th 05, 11:35 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>EddieM a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lionel wrote
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>>>>
>>>>>Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
>>>>>discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>>>>>>of that.
>>>>>
>>>>>After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
>>>>>characterization :
>>>>>1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
>>>>>2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>>>>>
>>>>>IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This ridiculous analysis is what happens
>>>>when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.
>>>
>>>My conclusion was a little bit unprecise :
>>>IMHO you are a *repressed* pederast because of your lack of personality.
>>>Without any doubt this is the influence of a skittish and tyrannic jewish
>>>mama full of dogmas and superstitions.
>>>
>>>Poor Sackman his mother have made an empty bag of him...
>>>
>>
>>
>> "at least" she made good chicken soup.
>
> She's marvellous, she's has also made a big chicken son !
>

If irony killed: here we have Lionel,
a turd qualified to inspect sewers.

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George M. Middius

April 7th 05, 11:44 PM

Clyde Slick said:

> If irony were a speeding bus headng towards
> Arny Krueger trying to walk across the street.

If turds were widely considered a luxury food.

Ruud Broens

April 8th 05, 03:22 AM

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
: Ruud Broens wrote:
:
: > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
: > ...
: >
: >> My point is that most people don't listen to music to hear their own
: >> creation unless they are a recordist or musician, those being a small
: >> fraction of the total audience for a recording. They listen to music
: >> to hear what someone else wants to communicate to them. The more
: you
: >> meddle with the music, the less likely full communication with the
: >> origional creative people is possible.
:
: > You have a tv set, Arny ?
:
: Yes just one, a Maganavox/Philips 32 incher.
:
: > Then surely, you have the color / contrast settings unchanged since
: > you got it, lest you would meddle with the pictures :
:
: This is in fact almost the exact truth. Despite the old saw about NTSC
: being "Never The Same Color Twice", I can count the number of times
: I've messed with the color adjustments of my TV on one hand. I've
: always ended up returning them to the as-delivered state.
:
: > "the less likely full communication with the origional creative
: > people is possible."
:
: > hm, what is wrong with this picture ? ;-)
:
:
: What's wrong is the nasty sound your metaphor made when it collapsed,
: Rudy. ;-)
:
it was an analogy, not a metaphor. but you should be happy, Arny:
your answer shows us once more, you're a one of a kind ;-)
Rudy

Lionel

April 8th 05, 08:52 AM

In >, Clyde Slick wrote :

>
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>
>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>EddieM a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lionel wrote
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You shouldn't repress your real nature, old pederast.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Lionel, that characterization is best directed to Arnii.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Since I just don't know the minimum about audio I never had real
>>>>>>discussions with Arnold Krueger.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You need compelling evidence in order to accuse others
>>>>>>>of that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>After a lot of long exchange with Sackman I arrive to the following
>>>>>>characterization :
>>>>>>1 - He is suffering a total lack of personality
>>>>>>2 - He is a repressed pederast.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>IMHO (2) is the consequence of (1).
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>This ridiculous analysis is what happens
>>>>>when a sewer inspector tries his hand at pyschoanalysis.
>>>>
>>>>My conclusion was a little bit unprecise :
>>>>IMHO you are a *repressed* pederast because of your lack of personality.
>>>>Without any doubt this is the influence of a skittish and tyrannic
>>>>jewish mama full of dogmas and superstitions.
>>>>
>>>>Poor Sackman his mother have made an empty bag of him...
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "at least" she made good chicken soup.
>>
>> She's marvellous, she's has also made a big chicken son !
>>
>
>
> If irony killed: here we have Lionel,
> a turd qualified to inspect sewers.

I can't imagine better a inspector ! ;-)

Note that since Richman has leaved you are my main visitor.
Does your mama know that his big chicken son spends days and nights in the
sewers ?

Clyde Slick

April 8th 05, 12:29 PM

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Clyde Slick a écrit :
>> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>
>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>wrong !
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Even Kroologic won't support such
>>>>>>an idiotic statement as that.
>>>>>
>>>>>I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have written about
>>>>>the poverty line statistic is false.
>>>>>
>>>>>Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I sincerely
>>>>>think that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Wrong, I provided the back up statisitics several months ago.
>>>
>>>You are a liar your definition of the "poverty line" was false and you
>>>have proven that you don't understand what's the "GDP per capita".
>>>
>>>So by the above you confirm that you are an idiot liar...
>>>...or a liar idiot.
>>>
>>
>>
>> It's 1:41 PM over there. Shouldn't you be out inspecting
>> sewers right now?
>
> Yes this is what I do but the only rat I meet is you !
>
> I confirm that you don't know what is the "poverty line statistic" and
> that you don't understand what is the GDP.

you don't understand that the poverty statistic is just that,
a statisitc, and is deformed from the real life situation.
Poverty statistics between different nations cannot be readily
compared to each other without also having a solid reference to
reality. Poverty statistics for one nation refer to
the relative distribution of that one country's income.
Thus, in an almost exclusively Communist country such as Cuba,
there can be maasive abject poverty, yet, statisitically,
very few Cubans live in 'statistical' poverty. Should you want to
compare apples and oranges, as you compare US to France,
then, instead, compare France to Cuba. By your arguments,
a much lower percentage of Cubans live in 'statistical'
poverty than Frechman live in statistivcal poverty.
I think you should relocate to Cuba, and become a
sewer inspector there, should that country be fortunate
enough to even have enough sewers for you to inspect.

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Lionel

April 8th 05, 11:40 PM

Clyde Slick a écrit :
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>
>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>
>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Clyde Slick a écrit :
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In . com>,
wrote :
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Lionel wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>><snipped>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>wrong !
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That's what SackOs mother screamed at the moment of his birth!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes but this also proves that Sackman is a liar.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Even Kroologic won't support such
>>>>>>>an idiotic statement as that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I say that you are a liar because *everything* you have written about
>>>>>>the poverty line statistic is false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Nota : BTW you should be happy "liar" is a compliment, I sincerely
>>>>>>think that you are an incredibly stupid. ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Wrong, I provided the back up statisitics several months ago.
>>>>
>>>>You are a liar your definition of the "poverty line" was false and you
>>>>have proven that you don't understand what's the "GDP per capita".
>>>>
>>>>So by the above you confirm that you are an idiot liar...
>>>>...or a liar idiot.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>It's 1:41 PM over there. Shouldn't you be out inspecting
>>>sewers right now?
>>
>>Yes this is what I do but the only rat I meet is you !
>>
>>I confirm that you don't know what is the "poverty line statistic" and
>>that you don't understand what is the GDP.
>
>
> you don't understand that the poverty statistic is just that,
> a statisitc, and is deformed from the real life situation.
> Poverty statistics between different nations cannot be readily
> compared to each other without also having a solid reference to
> reality. Poverty statistics for one nation refer to
> the relative distribution of that one country's income.
> Thus, in an almost exclusively Communist country such as Cuba,
> there can be maasive abject poverty, yet, statisitically,
> very few Cubans live in 'statistical' poverty. Should you want to
> compare apples and oranges, as you compare US to France,
> then, instead, compare France to Cuba. By your arguments,

What arguments ?
Did I give you any arguments ?
Can you quote one of my arguments ?

> a much lower percentage of Cubans live in 'statistical'
> poverty than Frechman live in statistivcal poverty.
> I think you should relocate to Cuba, and become a
> sewer inspector there, should that country be fortunate
> enough to even have enough sewers for you to inspect.

When a guy cannot eat correctly and have a house to be
protected from rain and from cold he is poor... This as
nothing to do with the country income.
You are an idiot and one more time you prove it publicly.

:-)

ScottW

April 9th 05, 04:36 AM

If we give you back the Statue of Liberty will you take our homeless
back with it?

ScottW

Lionel

April 9th 05, 09:46 AM

ScottW "the Môron" a écrit :

> If we give you back the Statue of Liberty will you take our homeless
> back with it?

Why do you write "we" and "our" ?
Do you pretend that your crappy opinions are the reflect of
an "American thinking" ?

You belong to a tiny minority Scott, hopefully for the USA
and for the world, scarry môrons like you are marginal.

Be courageous for once and take care of *YOUR* problems like
the real man you pretend to be.

;-)

[email protected]

April 9th 05, 07:02 PM

ScottW wrote:
> If we give you back the Statue of Liberty will you take our homeless
> back with it?
>
>
When did your forebears arrive in the US, Scott?

[email protected]

April 9th 05, 07:19 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> Clyde Slick wrote:
> > "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >> R wrote:
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn-
> >>> :
> >>>

> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.

Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that will
follow? How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
recording of your planned personal train wreck?

Scott Wheeler

George M. Middius

April 9th 05, 08:00 PM

Not-Stupid Scott said to ****borg:

> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that will
> follow? How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
> recording of your planned personal train wreck?

Arnii is going to hand out little thank-you gifts to the audience. They
will be truly memorable tokens (if somewhat malodorous).

Arny Krueger

April 9th 05, 08:08 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>> ...
>>>> R wrote:
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
>>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
>>>>>
>
>> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.
>
>
> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that will
> follow?

If it happens.

>How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
> recording of your planned personal train wreck?

If it happens.

Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of a room
full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior of the
California Superior Court.

LOL!

[email protected]

April 9th 05, 08:29 PM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> Clyde Slick wrote:
> >>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>> ...
> >>>> R wrote:
> >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> >>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
> >>>>>
> >
> >> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.
> >
> >
> > Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that
will
> > follow?
>
> If it happens.

Good point. There still is the question of you even showing up.

>
> >How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
> > recording of your planned personal train wreck?
>
> If it happens.

That will happen whether you show or not.

>
> Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of a
room
> full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior of the
> California Superior Court.
>
> LOL!

But, as you say, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

April 9th 05, 08:38 PM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>> ...
>>>>>> R wrote:
>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
>>>>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
>>>>>>>
>>>
>>>> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.

>>> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that
will
>>> follow?

>> If it happens.

> Good point. There still is the question of you even showing up.

Bet me that I won't be there, Scott.

>>> How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
>>> recording of your planned personal train wreck?
>
>> If it happens.

> That will happen whether you show or not.

Prove it.

>> Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of a
>> room full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior of
>> the California Superior Court.

>> LOL!

> But, as you say, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

I'm sharp enough to have a proven track record of cutting you, Scott.

ScottW

April 9th 05, 10:00 PM

Lionel wrote:
> ScottW "the M=F4ron" a =E9crit :
>
> > If we give you back the Statue of Liberty will you take our
homeless
> > back with it?
>
> Why do you write "we" and "our" ?

Cuz me and mine is inappropriate.

> Do you pretend that your crappy opinions are the reflect of
> an "American thinking" ?

No more than yours reflect French thinking.
>
> You belong to a tiny minority Scott, hopefully for the USA
> and for the world, scarry m=F4rons like you are marginal.
>
> Be courageous for once and take care of *YOUR* problems like
> the real man you pretend to be.

How many homeless people are you taking off the streets and into your
home.

ScottW

[email protected]

April 10th 05, 02:49 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
> >>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>>>> ...
> >>>>>> R wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> >>>>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
> >>>>>>>
> >>>
> >>>> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.
>
> >>> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that
> will
> >>> follow?
>
> >> If it happens.
>
> > Good point. There still is the question of you even showing up.
>
> Bet me that I won't be there, Scott.

I bet you wont show up for the debate. Happy now?

>
> >>> How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
> >>> recording of your planned personal train wreck?
> >
> >> If it happens.
>
> > That will happen whether you show or not.
>
> Prove it.

You are an idiot. You are asking me to prove a future event. Grow a
brain.

>
> >> Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of a
> >> room full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior of
> >> the California Superior Court.
>
> >> LOL!
>
> > But, as you say, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
>
> I'm sharp enough to have a proven track record of cutting you, Scott.

In your fantasies.

Scott Wheeler

Arny Krueger

April 10th 05, 02:57 AM

wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> wrote:
>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
>>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>>>>>>> ...
>>>>>>>> R wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
>>>>>>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.
>>
>>>>> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that
>>>>> will follow?
>>
>>>> If it happens.
>>
>>> Good point. There still is the question of you even showing up.
>>
>> Bet me that I won't be there, Scott.
>
>
> I bet you wont show up for the debate. Happy now?
>
>
>>
>>>>> How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
>>>>> recording of your planned personal train wreck?
>>>
>>>> If it happens.
>>
>>> That will happen whether you show or not.
>>
>> Prove it.
>
>
> You are an idiot. You are asking me to prove a future event. Grow a
> brain.
>
>
>
>>
>>>> Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of a
>>>> room full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior
of
>>>> the California Superior Court.
>>
>>>> LOL!
>>
>>> But, as you say, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
>>
>> I'm sharp enough to have a proven track record of cutting you,
Scott.
>
>
> In your fantasies.

In the Superior Court of the State of California, and without
personally lifting a finger. With you Scott, my
implemented-public-humiliation-of Scott-to-effort ratio has been
infinite.

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April 10th 05, 03:17 AM

Arny Krueger wrote:
> wrote:
> > Arny Krueger wrote:
> >> wrote:
> >>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Arny Krueger wrote:
> >>>>>> Clyde Slick wrote:
> >>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> >>>>>>> ...
> >>>>>>>> R wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in
> >>>>>>>>> news:DZSdneeiOtwBa83fRVn- :
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> I intend to run the whole debate like this one, Art.
> >>
> >>>>> Are you prepared to face the massive in your face laughter that
> >>>>> will follow?
> >>
> >>>> If it happens.
> >>
> >>> Good point. There still is the question of you even showing up.
> >>
> >> Bet me that I won't be there, Scott.
> >
> >
> > I bet you wont show up for the debate. Happy now?
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>>> How about the long term laughter that will follow due to the
> >>>>> recording of your planned personal train wreck?
> >>>
> >>>> If it happens.
> >>
> >>> That will happen whether you show or not.
> >>
> >> Prove it.
> >
> >
> > You are an idiot. You are asking me to prove a future event. Grow a
> > brain.
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >>>> Scott, I figure you're about as good predicting the behavior of
a
> >>>> room full of audiophiles as you were at predicting the behavior
> of
> >>>> the California Superior Court.
> >>
> >>>> LOL!
> >>
> >>> But, as you say, you're not the sharpest knife in the drawer.
> >>
> >> I'm sharp enough to have a proven track record of cutting you,
> Scott.
> >
> >
> > In your fantasies.
>
> In the Superior Court of the State of California, and without
> personally lifting a finger. With you Scott, my
> implemented-public-humiliation-of Scott-to-effort ratio has been
> infinite.

Like I said, in your fantasies. You are still too delusional to
understand what really happened. Oh well. In the unlikely event that
you show up to the debate you will probably be too delusional to
understand what happened there as well. Here's a hint. When they laugh
it will be at you not with you.

Scott Wheeler