Re: BOSE can sound good in a small room

[Geoff Wood]

"Brian" > wrote in message
...
>I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
> better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
> of the posts were not related to my question.
>
> Thank you for all your helpful replies.
>
>
> It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
> room.
> The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
> from the speakers is 3 meters.
> The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
> frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
> If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
> good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
> speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
> enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
> me without shouting.

What you describe is not 'good sound' by any stretch of the imagination.

A turd in a big room is still a turd in a small room.

geoff
>
> So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.
>
> I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
> the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
> sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
> orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.

You mean that the Bosii have poor dynamic range, and you prefer 'flat' music
?

> They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
> response was 45Hz.

'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.


geoff

[Brian]

"Geoff Wood" > wrote:

>
>"Brian" > wrote in message
...
>>I had so many replies in my last post about BOSE that I thought I'd
>> better start a new post. No one wants to read 199 or so posts and some
>> of the posts were not related to my question.
>>
>> Thank you for all your helpful replies.
>>
>>
>> It's possible that the BOSE speakers do not sound good in a large
>> room.
>> The Room I have my BOSE speakers in is 5 x 3.5 meters. The distance
>> from the speakers is 3 meters.
>> The BOSE sub woofer is in a corner facing the wall so that low
>> frequency sound bounces off the wall giving me more bass volume.
>> If I turn up the volume too high then the speakers don't sound so
>> good, for example when I say loud I mean so loud that I can't hear the
>> speech of someone standing next to me. I normally have the volume loud
>> enough to hear the phone ring or are able to talk to someone next to
>> me without shouting.
>
>What you describe is not 'good sound' by any stretch of the imagination.
I'm just saying that BOSE have limits
>
>A turd in a big room is still a turd in a small room.
All I'm saying is they become unbearable to listen to at a higher
volume.
>
>geoff
>>
>> So what I'm saying is BOSE can sound good but only in a certain setup.
>>
>> I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
>> the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
>> sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
>> orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
>
>You mean that the Bosii have poor dynamic range, and you prefer 'flat' music
No I'm saying that I was impressed with the speakers by hearing an
impact when the music suddendly increased in volume such as classical
music does. So maybe the speakers are better suited to orchestra
music.
>?
>
>> They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
>> response was 45Hz.
>
> 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
>like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
>by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.
What ever was lacking.

>
>
>geoff
>

Thanks for your comments geoff

Regards Brian

[ren]

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>>>They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
>>>response was 45Hz.
>>
>>'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
>>like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
>>by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.
>
> What ever was lacking.
>
>
>>
>>geoff
>>
>
>
> Thanks for your comments geoff
>
> Regards Brian
>
Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more
importantly ACCEPT REALITY.

[Brian]

ren > wrote:

>snip
>>>
>>>>They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
>>>>response was 45Hz.
>>>
>>>'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
>>>like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
>>>by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.
>>
>> What ever was lacking.
>>
>>
>>>
>>>geoff
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for your comments geoff
>>
>> Regards Brian
>>
>Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more
>importantly ACCEPT REALITY.

I don't mind being the student.
I have a thirst for knowledge.
I'm not disagreeing with anyone.

Regards Brian

[SSJVCmag]

On 3/31/05 4:45 AM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
> wrote:

> 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that.

Geof and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

[SSJVCmag]

On 3/31/05 5:29 AM, in article ,
"Brian" > wrote:
(SNIP a LONNNNNG totally uneccessary string of rerererereqotes ending in the
absurdly minimal actual new content consisting soley of...))

> Thanks for your comments geoff

Brian (even yet more again) and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

[SSJVCmag]

On 3/31/05 6:16 AM, in article , "ren"
> wrote:
> Glad to see you thanking rational posters BUT DO YOU UNDERSTAND and more
> importantly ACCEPT REALITY.

Reality... Ahhh! Yes reality of keeping threads out of uninterested groups!
Reality that steers strongly towards you and All you guys gals and others,
get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

No reason not to.

It's Quick!
It's Fun!
It's EASY!
It earns you the respect and eternal homage of
Well
SOMEBODY I'd guess.
Just Do It.
Now
Please.
Thanks

[Geoff Wood]

"Brian" > wrote in message

>>>I had a listen a pair of Paradigm speakers. One was called "Esprit"
>>>the other "Phantion". They're floor standing speakers. They seem to
>>>sound their best with music that rapidly changes in volume such as
>>>orchestra music that has impact as they have a wide dynamic range.
>>>They lacked in imaging and in deep bass as there low frequency
>>>response was 45Hz.


Hang on, One called 'Espirit' and thr other 'Phantion' doesn't sound like
much of a PAIR to me !


geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Brian" > wrote in message

> These days you have buy a set of 5 speakers and a sub for $199 at a
> store that sells food, but I'm sure they would be much worse than BOSE
> speakers.

No, the #199 speakers are likly of a similar quality. Maybe the BOSE are a
little better,

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"SSJVCmag" > wrote in message
...
> On 3/31/05 4:45 AM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
> > wrote:
>
>> 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that.
>
> Geof and All you guys gals and others,
> get the fraggin crossposts cleaned up so
> this thread ONLY shows up WHERe it's REALLY WANTED.

Could you please clarify where in particular you don't want to see it ?
Because otherwise we are all guessing, even after you 20-or-so 'helpful
suggestion' [posts. Dumb, eh ?

geoff

[SSJVCmag]

On 3/31/05 3:19 PM, in article , "Geoff Wood"
> wrote:

> Could you please clarify where in particular you don't want to see it ?
> Because otherwise we are all guessing, even after you 20-or-so 'helpful
> suggestion' [posts. Dumb, eh ?

I think Peter Larson did the singularly clearest, most concise, formal,
pleasant and marvelously neutral explanation above in the
'BOSE can sound good in a small room' thread
----
article , "Peter Larsen"
>
----

I could not do it better, I could not do it AS WELL.

I hesitate to repost it under another thread title for concern of being
railed at for yet some other horrid perceived infraction. Maybe Peter might
do so if it makes any sort of sense.

Thanks again to all who have helped clean this up.

[Pooh Bear]

Geoff Wood wrote:

> 'Deep bass' cannot exist in a small room like that. It to do with things
> like physics and wavelength. The great quantity of whatever you are getting
> by 'subwoofer' placement is NOT deep bass.

In order to appreciate truly *deep bass* you actually have to have heard it !
Try a low organ pipe to rattle your innards ;-)

When you have, and I'm sure Brian hasn't, you know the difference !

One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make your
trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !


Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Brian wrote:

> I don't mind being the student.
> I have a thirst for knowledge.
> I'm not disagreeing with anyone.

There's a good chance that you'll end up with some speakers that sound good then.

I'm 99.999% certain you won't choose Bose when you've experienced some real
alternatives.

You currently seem to be suckered by advertising though IMHO. And possibly lousy
dealers who want to pass off any old **** on you 'cos it means a quick buck for
them.


Graham

[Brian]

Pooh Bear > wrote:

>
>Geoff Wood wrote:

>
>One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make your
>trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !
>
>
>Graham

Could be useful on a hot day <grin>

Regards Brian

[Geoff Wood]

"Brian" > wrote in message
...
> Pooh Bear > wrote:
>
>>
>>Geoff Wood wrote:
>
>>
>>One of the things I loved about my Sentry IVs was their ability to make
>>your
>>trouser legs blow in the wind - lol !
>>
>>
>>Graham
>
> Could be useful on a hot day <grin>

My KEF 105s make my trousers flap even at low volume. And not even just
with one note like BOSOs (even more-so in a corner). And there isn't a
'sub'. Or a satellite - but they do look like Daleks.

geoff

PS Hey folks - big joke - the local BOSO agents have opened a store that
sells *only* BOSO gear. So you can't compare it with anything that sounds
like the real thing !