Wow! Interesting Audio News.

[Al DeJustice]

http://stereophile.com/news/0301405tymphany/

Ken Kantor + Tymphany + DST !!

[MINe 109]

In article
ulluser.com>,
"Al DeJustice" > wrote:

> http://stereophile.com/news/0301405tymphany/
>
> Ken Kantor + Tymphany + DST !!

Speakers for plasma screens?

Stephen

[[email protected]]

> Speakers for plasma screens?
>
> Stephen


I've heard that the US government doesn't think 'monitor', it thinks
'TV' when it comes to these screens. Also for the upcoming changeover
all TVs must have speakers to meet the spec.

I heard this from someone who was upset about built in speakers taking
up space on his wall.

Peter

[[email protected]]

What's the "upcoming changeover" are you referring to? Is the US
government moving to all flat-panel?

(How about 5.1, too!)

[Arny Krueger]

"Al DeJustice" > wrote in message
news:bmF6.a784b96ae51197d89cdb0d7a4ab6e2e1@1110908 263.nulluser.com

> http://stereophile.com/news/0301405tymphany/

> Ken Kantor + Tymphany + DST !!

"On March 10, Tymphany Corporation and Danish Sound Technology (DST)
announced a merger of the two companies, funded by Vantage Point Venture
Partners. The combined company, to be called Tymphany Corporation, will have
its headquarters in Cupertino, CA"

In modern business terminaology, merger = buyout. Therefore this can be
probably translated to read that
Vantage Point Partners, who no doubt owned lots of Tymphany, merged it with
DST as a convenient way to buy DST. DST was probably in some kind of
financial difficulty. Collapse of DST could have significant effects on the
high end loudspeaker world, as their products are widely used in better
speakers. The financial difficulties were probably due to agressive cloning
of DST products by factories in mainland China.

I'd bet money that quantities of the Tymphany driver have already been
produced in mainland China. The only question in my mind is whether those
Tymphany-design drivers were authorized by the patent-holders.

[Jim Gregory]

Regarding this latest merger,
please note that last month Klipsch Audio bought Jano (another huge Danish
firm) - both make loudspeakers and cabinets.
See my link to Hi-Fi News article in rec.audio.misc on Mar10, 2005

Do these decisions signal a trend for USA manufacturers to acquire
successful European technology?
Bet a lot of it will be moved to China sooner than later.

[Arny Krueger]

"Jim Gregory" > wrote in message


> Regarding this latest merger,
> please note that last month Klipsch Audio bought Jano (another huge
> Danish firm) - both make loudspeakers and cabinets.
> See my link to Hi-Fi News article in rec.audio.misc on Mar10, 2005

That would be Jamo.

> Do these decisions signal a trend for USA manufacturers to acquire
> successful European technology?

Could be.

Interesting that the Tymphany-DST merger was announced just a little while
later.

I get the impression that both european firms may have been approaching
financial difficulties.

> Bet a lot of it will be moved to China sooner than later.

The Chinese are very strong in speaker driver manufacturing. One of the
largest if not the largest driver factory in the world is located there.

Anybody who manufactures something sort of falls into a bad place if the
Chinese decide to compete with them, particularly at mid-prices and below.

[Jim Gregory]

Sorry, Arny et alia, my typo! I should, of course, have written *Jamo* as I
did last week.
I hear what you said, China will make 60% of everything needed elsewhere
soon, let alone electronic goods.
Her industry and exports are prolific, but, as a consequence, the air and
rivers pollution there is rife.

[Scott Dorsey]

Arny Krueger > wrote:
>"Jim Gregory" > wrote in message
>
>> Regarding this latest merger,
>> please note that last month Klipsch Audio bought Jano (another huge
>> Danish firm) - both make loudspeakers and cabinets.
>> See my link to Hi-Fi News article in rec.audio.misc on Mar10, 2005
>
>That would be Jamo.
>
>> Do these decisions signal a trend for USA manufacturers to acquire
>> successful European technology?
>
>Could be.

With the drop in the dollar, you would expect things to be going the other
way around. Or possibly US manufacturers are looking to invest abroad in
the hopes of having more sales in euros.

>Interesting that the Tymphany-DST merger was announced just a little while
>later.
>
>I get the impression that both european firms may have been approaching
>financial difficulties.

Both of them have very good products but not much representation in the US
at all. Which means takeover by a US company might help bring some of the
European-made products into the US.

>> Bet a lot of it will be moved to China sooner than later.
>
>The Chinese are very strong in speaker driver manufacturing. One of the
>largest if not the largest driver factory in the world is located there.
>
>Anybody who manufactures something sort of falls into a bad place if the
>Chinese decide to compete with them, particularly at mid-prices and below.

Right. And the problem with outsourcing to China is that your own
manufacturing partner becomes your competitor.
--scott
--
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"Arny Krueger" > wrote in news:EPydndBlPs5S_KXfRVn-
:

> Anybody who manufactures something sort of falls into a bad place if the
> Chinese decide to compete with them, particularly at mid-prices and below.

It's easy to undercut capitalists who have to deal with unions - jsut employ
slave labour, and save all that overhead.

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[Al DeJustice]

At first I just read the press release. Then I asked a couple of
friends in the audio business who bought stuff from DST, how were they
doing. They seemed to think DST is doing fine. 3 or 4 hundred
poeple. Wholly-owned factory in China.

Maybe Tymphany, or their investors, has a broad acquisition strategy in
the audio tech space? All us guys can do is quess and watch. Could
be fun. Audio got boring for a while there, don't you think?

Rgds,

Al


Arny Krueger wrote:

> DST was probably in some kind of
> financial difficulty. Collapse of DST could have significant effects
on the
> high end loudspeaker world, as their products are widely used in
better
> speakers. The financial difficulties were probably due to agressive
cloning
> of DST products by factories in mainland China.
>
>

[John Stone]

On 3/18/05 7:08 AM, in article
ulluser.com, "Al
DeJustice" > wrote:

> At first I just read the press release. Then I asked a couple of
> friends in the audio business who bought stuff from DST, how were they
> doing. They seemed to think DST is doing fine. 3 or 4 hundred
> poeple.

Way off. Usually people who buy "stuff" from a company are not well informed
about the state of that company's business. That's certainly true in this
case.


>Wholly-owned factory in China.

Also wrong.


> Maybe Tymphany, or their investors, has a broad acquisition strategy in
> the audio tech space? All us guys can do is quess and watch. Could
> be fun. Audio got boring for a while there, don't you think?

No.

[Howard Ferstler]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> The Chinese are very strong in speaker driver manufacturing. One of the
> largest if not the largest driver factory in the world is located there.
>
> Anybody who manufactures something sort of falls into a bad place if the
> Chinese decide to compete with them, particularly at mid-prices and below.

It is hard these days to pick up anything at a store (from
candle holders to DVD players) that is not made in China.

Prediction: In 50 years (or possibly sooner), China will be
the dominant economic force on the planet.

Will we be second? Nope. India will be second, and the
Indians will also dominate the computer-business realm,
particularly software. The European Union will possibly be
third in terms of economic clout. We will be an also ran,
struggling to keep ahead of Brazil or possibly a South
American union of some kind.

Let's hope all of those guys are friendly. Thank god I will
be dead by then.

Howard Ferstler

[PapaNate]

Howard Ferstler wrote:

> We will be an also ran,
> struggling to keep ahead of Brazil or possibly a South
> American union of some kind.

I predict that Mexico will become a good economic partner in manufacturing for
us.

> Let's hope all of those guys are friendly. Thank god I will
> be dead by then.

I wonder who works and who sells if you can't eat. India and China are quietly
in crisis mode in those regards...we aren't. Mexico isn't either. As a matter of
fact Brazil, Argentina, Peru and a host of other North and South American
countries are not either. Makes one think doesn't it.
Mmmm we hold the food keys, they hold the gear. We win. Again. <g>

PapaNate

[The Open Sourceror's Apprentice]

PapaNate > wrote in :

> Mmmm we hold the food keys, they hold the gear. We win. Again. <g>

Until, as humans are wont, they destroy the source of wealth (food), leaving
everyone worse off than before.

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[L David Matheny]

"Howard Ferstler" > wrote in message ...
<snip>
> It is hard these days to pick up anything at a store (from
> candle holders to DVD players) that is not made in China.
>
> Prediction: In 50 years (or possibly sooner), China will be
> the dominant economic force on the planet.
>
Well, maybe. But as somebody once said (more or less):
It's always hard to predict things, especially the future.

[Wayne McDermott]

Howard Ferstler wrote:
> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>
>>The Chinese are very strong in speaker driver manufacturing. One of the
>>largest if not the largest driver factory in the world is located there.

[snip]
>
> Let's hope all of those guys are friendly. Thank god I will
> be dead by then.
>
> Howard Ferstler

I would suggest you browse your local 2nd hand bookshop for any of the
plethora of books published in the 80s dealing the the "Japanese
miracle". They were all full of doom and gloom stories about how the
japs were going to own the US and Australia. It never happened.
Simplistic extrapolations never pan out.

Wayne McDermott

[George M. Middius]

Wayne McDermott said:

> I would suggest you browse your local 2nd hand bookshop for any of the
> plethora of books published in the 80s dealing the the "Japanese
> miracle". They were all full of doom and gloom stories about how the
> japs were going to own the US and Australia. It never happened.

Yes it did. Japanese investors own a lot more of America than they did in
1985. Not just shares in American companies, either.

[Sander deWaal]

Howard Ferstler > said:

>Prediction: In 50 years (or possibly sooner), China will be
>the dominant economic force on the planet.

>Will we be second? Nope. India will be second, and the
>Indians will also dominate the computer-business realm,
>particularly software. The European Union will possibly be
>third in terms of economic clout. We will be an also ran,
>struggling to keep ahead of Brazil or possibly a South
>American union of some kind.

>Let's hope all of those guys are friendly. Thank god I will
>be dead by then.


You don't believe in reincarnation, Howard?
I do, and I'm pretty sure your next life has some surprises waiting
for you ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message


> You don't believe in reincarnation, Howard?
> I do, and I'm pretty sure your next life has some surprises waiting
> for you ;-)

Likewise Middius, Phillips, Briggs, etc.

[George M. Middius]

Sander deWaal said:

> You don't believe in reincarnation, Howard?
> I do, and I'm pretty sure your next life has some surprises waiting
> for you ;-)

If Harold comes back as a caterpillar, what would that make his current
incarnation?

[Howard Ferstler]

PapaNate wrote:
>
> Howard Ferstler wrote:
>
> > We will be an also ran,
> > struggling to keep ahead of Brazil or possibly a South
> > American union of some kind.
>
> I predict that Mexico will become a good economic partner in manufacturing for
> us.
>
> > Let's hope all of those guys are friendly. Thank god I will
> > be dead by then.

> I wonder who works and who sells if you can't eat. India and China are quietly
> in crisis mode in those regards...we aren't. Mexico isn't either. As a matter of
> fact Brazil, Argentina, Peru and a host of other North and South American
> countries are not either. Makes one think doesn't it.
> Mmmm we hold the food keys, they hold the gear. We win. Again. <g>

China is investing in US securities at a rapid pace. One
day, all they will have to do is dump the stuff and our
economy will collapse. A large number of other countries are
also investing their earnings (from our purchases of their
goods) in US securities. If it were not for them we would
have an economic meltdown. They are well aware of that.

Howard Ferstler

[Howard Ferstler]

Wayne McDermott wrote:

> I would suggest you browse your local 2nd hand bookshop for any of the
> plethora of books published in the 80s dealing the the "Japanese
> miracle". They were all full of doom and gloom stories about how the
> japs were going to own the US and Australia. It never happened.
> Simplistic extrapolations never pan out.

Numbers win in the long run. Compare our population with
that of China or India. Japan has a smaller population than
ours which gives them a disadvantage compared to China or
India.

Regarding those Japanese, keep an eye on automobile sales
over the next few years and see just how badly they do
compared to us. GM is on the ropes, as is Ford. It is only a
matter of time.

The US industrial base (particularly involving consumer
goods) is disappearing, and without that we will be a second
(or third) rate power in a few decades.

Howard Ferstler

[Tom]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote
....
> "Sander deWaal" > wrote
>
>> You don't believe in reincarnation, Howard?
>> I do, and I'm pretty sure your next life has some surprises waiting
>> for you ;-)
>
> Likewise Middius, Phillips, Briggs, etc.


What if you come back as something with self-awareness????