Re: Bush, The WORST President in History ?

[Steve Grauman]

>Or a few years, which is more realistic...

The defecit is massive and no one wants increased taxes to help start putting
money back into the system (of course, this didn't stop Bush from giving tax
breaks to his wealthy republican friends). Combine that with the frighteningly
underfunded Social Security system and we've got hundreds of trillions of
dollars that need to be put back into the system. Maybe I'm missing something
here, but how could that kind of money ever find it's way into the system in
less than 20 years? And even then, how do we do it without raising taxes or
putting ourselves into greater future-debt by taking out loans? Beyond any
other reasons some of us had to be aganist the war in Iraq, we simply couldn't
afford it. On that note, we're hundreds of lives and billions of dollars down
the road and we have yet to uncover any weapons of mass destruction and we've
sunk Iraq into a political mess that may very well end up being worse for those
people than the Hussein regime we removed. I'll tell you what, even Richard
Nixon had some bright points, but I'm failing to find any with Bush.

[thelizman]

Steve Grauman wrote:

> The defecit is massive and no one wants increased taxes to help start putting
> money back into the system

Your ASSumption is that taxes have to be increased to increase income.
The truth is that the marginal rates are still outside of the bounded
area in which tax rates retard actual revenues. Anyone who has ever
cracked an economics book has heard of the Laffer curve, and knows that
under demand-pull inflationary conditions during a recession, cutting
taxes actually increases GDP - and taxation being a function of GDP
growth, actual tax REVENUES go up when tax RATES go down.

> (of course, this didn't stop Bush from giving tax
> breaks to his wealthy republican friends).

I didn't realize that every working American with annual incomes from
$16,000 to $150,000 was a wealthy republican friend of dubya. But you're
right - he cut taxes, I got my fat check, used it to buy a hard drive,
some groceries, a microwave (for cooking ramen noodles), and part of my
rent.

> Combine that with the frighteningly
> underfunded Social Security system

You left out "fraudulent" - I find it humorous that people rail about
the need to protect an entitlement system which if the private sector
tried to do the same way, they'd all be arrested for securities fraud
and money laundering.

> and we've got hundreds of trillions of
> dollars that need to be put back into the system. Maybe I'm missing something
> here, but how could that kind of money ever find it's way into the system in
> less than 20 years?

The part your missing is the "truth". Where do you get hundreds of
trillions of dollars out of a Federal Budget which is only about 6
trillion dollars? The total value of the US economy isn't quite a
hundred trillion dollars, so "hundreds of trillions" is clearly a
fabricatoin (aka a "lie").

> And even then, how do we do it without raising taxes or
> putting ourselves into greater future-debt by taking out loans?

Easy. Stop SPENDING ALL THE FREAKING MONEY! I don't get how you people
think you can go on with wreckless pork-barrel spending thinking the
only solution to a balanced budget problem is to raise taxes.

> Beyond any
> other reasons some of us had to be aganist the war in Iraq, we simply couldn't
> afford it.

Oh yeah, doing the right thing is always a fuction of whether its
affordable. I'd like to pay my income taxes, but I just can't afford it.

> On that note, we're hundreds of lives and billions of dollars down
> the road and we have yet to uncover any weapons of mass destruction

The vials of anthrax, the shells hidden in the desert containing VX and
Sarin, the mobile bioweapons labs, and the hundreds of drums of uranium
dioxide stored at Al Tuwaitha, and we havent' "uncovered" wmd's? Well,
if you ignore the obvious evidence, then I guess you shouldn't be
suprised - Saddam had 10 months to hide, destroy, or export his WMD's
while Bush tried to end the standoff through diplomatic means. The
question shouldn't why we haven't found any, it should be where did they go.

I mean c'mon, we waited three years for hillary to find her own legal
records in her own storage bin, but 1 year after the war started you're
wondering why we haven't found any WMD's in the hundred thousand square
mile area of Iraqi desert?

> and we've
> sunk Iraq into a political mess that may very well end up being worse for those
> people than the Hussein regime we removed.

Oh please, only a moron would say that that the Iraqi's who now go to
school, have jobs, and freedom have it better off than under a brutal
fascist dictator who killed millions of his own citizens.

> I'll tell you what, even Richard
> Nixon had some bright points, but I'm failing to find any with Bush.

You're not even looking. You don't care about the truth, you're just
looking for excuses. Get some facts, and stop being such a drone.

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[Tha Ghee]

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> >Or a few years, which is more realistic...
>
> The defecit is massive and no one wants increased taxes to help start
putting
> money back into the system (of course, this didn't stop Bush from giving
tax
> breaks to his wealthy republican friends). Combine that with the
frighteningly
> underfunded Social Security system and we've got hundreds of trillions of
> dollars that need to be put back into the system. Maybe I'm missing
something
> here, but how could that kind of money ever find it's way into the system
in
> less than 20 years? And even then, how do we do it without raising taxes
or
> putting ourselves into greater future-debt by taking out loans? Beyond any
> other reasons some of us had to be aganist the war in Iraq, we simply
couldn't
> afford it. On that note, we're hundreds of lives and billions of dollars
down
> the road and we have yet to uncover any weapons of mass destruction and
we've
> sunk Iraq into a political mess that may very well end up being worse for
those
> people than the Hussein regime we removed. I'll tell you what, even
Richard
> Nixon had some bright points, but I'm failing to find any with Bush.

damn Steve I thought you were a drivel spouting fool, but this is some of
the best wordsmithing I've seen in this topic.

Great job, I'm impressed. Keep it up and the rest my actually open their
eyes.

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Steve Grauman wrote:
>
> > The defecit is massive and no one wants increased taxes to help start
putting
> > money back into the system
>
> Your ASSumption is that taxes have to be increased to increase income.
> The truth is that the marginal rates are still outside of the bounded area
in which tax rates retard actual revenues. Anyone who has ever cracked an
economics book has heard of the Laffer curve, and knows that under
demand-pull inflationary conditions during a recession, cutting taxes
actually increases GDP - and taxation being a function of GDP growth,
actual tax REVENUES go up when tax RATES go down.
>
> > (of course, this didn't stop Bush from giving tax breaks to his wealthy
republican friends).
>
> I didn't realize that every working American with annual incomes from
> $16,000 to $150,000 was a wealthy republican friend of dubya. But you're
> right - he cut taxes, I got my fat check, used it to buy a hard drive,
some groceries, a microwave (for cooking ramen noodles), and part of my
> rent.
>
> > Combine that with the frighteningly
> > underfunded Social Security system
>
> You left out "fraudulent" - I find it humorous that people rail about
> the need to protect an entitlement system which if the private sector
> tried to do the same way, they'd all be arrested for securities fraud
> and money laundering.
>
> > and we've got hundreds of trillions of
> > dollars that need to be put back into the system. Maybe I'm missing
something
> > here, but how could that kind of money ever find it's way into the
system in
> > less than 20 years?
>
> The part your missing is the "truth". Where do you get hundreds of
> trillions of dollars out of a Federal Budget which is only about 6
> trillion dollars? The total value of the US economy isn't quite a
> hundred trillion dollars, so "hundreds of trillions" is clearly a
> fabricatoin (aka a "lie").
>
> > And even then, how do we do it without raising taxes or
> > putting ourselves into greater future-debt by taking out loans?
>
> Easy. Stop SPENDING ALL THE FREAKING MONEY! I don't get how you people
> think you can go on with wreckless pork-barrel spending thinking the
> only solution to a balanced budget problem is to raise taxes.
>
> > Beyond any other reasons some of us had to be aganist the war in Iraq,
we simply couldn't afford it.
>
> Oh yeah, doing the right thing is always a fuction of whether its
> affordable. I'd like to pay my income taxes, but I just can't afford it.
>
> > On that note, we're hundreds of lives and billions of dollars down
> > the road and we have yet to uncover any weapons of mass destruction
>
> The vials of anthrax, the shells hidden in the desert containing VX and
> Sarin, the mobile bioweapons labs, and the hundreds of drums of uranium
> dioxide stored at Al Tuwaitha, and we havent' "uncovered" wmd's? Well,
> if you ignore the obvious evidence, then I guess you shouldn't be
> suprised - Saddam had 10 months to hide, destroy, or export his WMD's
> while Bush tried to end the standoff through diplomatic means. The
> question shouldn't why we haven't found any, it should be where did they
go.
>
> I mean c'mon, we waited three years for hillary to find her own legal
> records in her own storage bin, but 1 year after the war started you're
> wondering why we haven't found any WMD's in the hundred thousand square
> mile area of Iraqi desert?
>
> > and we've sunk Iraq into a political mess that may very well end up
being worse for those people than the Hussein regime we removed.
>
> Oh please, only a moron would say that that the Iraqi's who now go to
> school, have jobs, and freedom have it better off than under a brutal
> fascist dictator who killed millions of his own citizens.
>
> > I'll tell you what, even Richard
> > Nixon had some bright points, but I'm failing to find any with Bush.
>
> You're not even looking. You don't care about the truth, you're just
> looking for excuses. Get some facts, and stop being such a drone.
>
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the vast majority saw no gains in tax refunds this year watch CNN. theliz
are you stupid, a dumbass, or do you have you head in the sand. there were
NO WMD found I guess in you side of the basement you heard this but this is
the biggest bunch of crook can you post some sites?? no you know you don't
pay rent for your moms basement quite lying. now theliz you do realize the
just recently got elec. power, they parents have no jobs so I guess the US
did a good job. as much as this pains me to say this Steve is correct in
most of what he typed.

[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> the vast majority saw no gains in tax refunds this year watch CNN.

HA HA HA HA! CNN!


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[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: thelizman >>


<< I see no problem there. The same underlying philosophy is why we have
public schools, and nobody argues with the necessity of the government
to provide universal education. >>

Lots of people do. That's why they home-school. (not that I'm one of them;
just saying)

[ANIM8Rfsk]

<< From: thelizman >>


<< I mean, to say that Carter was a ****up as a President is an understatement.
>>


How is it that somehow in retrospect Carter has become smart and successful and
a statesman, when at the time he was just an embarrassing hick?

[Logan Shaw]

thelizman wrote:
> Obviously, its not, since every time I post I use the
> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header. Everytime you reply to my posts,
> your newsreader re-crossposts in complete disregard to the
> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header I so dutifully put in. ergo, your
> newsgreader is uncompliant.

It might work better if you put "Followup-To:" header instead of
the less standard "X-Followup-To:".

- Logan

[thelizman]

ANIM8Rfsk wrote:
> << From: thelizman >>
>
>
> << I see no problem there. The same underlying philosophy is why we have
> public schools, and nobody argues with the necessity of the government
> to provide universal education. >>
>
> Lots of people do. That's why they home-school. (not that I'm one of them;
> just saying)
>

News to me. Most people who do home schooling do it because they feel
public education is deficient in some manner. You don't see
homeschoolers advocating the abolishment of state-funded education.

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[thelizman]

Logan Shaw wrote:
> thelizman wrote:
>
>> Obviously, its not, since every time I post I use the
>> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header. Everytime you reply to my posts,
>> your newsreader re-crossposts in complete disregard to the
>> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header I so dutifully put in. ergo, your
>> newsgreader is uncompliant.
>
>
> It might work better if you put "Followup-To:" header instead of
> the less standard "X-Followup-To:".
>

My mistake - Mozilla is putting "Followup-To". X-Followup-To is the
original header, back when "X" was some popular icon of Internet headers.

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[nmm]

On Mon, May 3, 2004 9:50 PM, thelizman >
wrote:
>Fred Gilham wrote:
>
>> I don't get it. Why do you crosspost to all the newsgroups instead of
>> just rec.audio.car?
>
>It's called a reply.
>
>Is it me, or do people just not understand such simple concept as
>"netiquette"?
>

You didn't notice that Andrew Krause/lizaman is an idiot.

He does the same crossposting that he complains about. He's just a not so
bright troll.

[thelizman]

nmm wrote:
>
> You didn't notice that Andrew Krause/lizaman is an idiot.
>
> He does the same crossposting that he complains about. He's just a not so
> bright troll.
>

I'm afraid you're the idiot. I continually put the
Followup-To:rec.audio.car header in my posts. You morons keep removing
it, either deliberately or with your crappy AOL newsreaders (AOL -
another sure sign of technical incompetance).

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[Andy Weaks]

thelizman wrote:

> Logan Shaw wrote:
> > thelizman wrote:
> >
> >> Obviously, its not, since every time I post I use the
> >> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header. Everytime you reply to my posts,
> >> your newsreader re-crossposts in complete disregard to the
> >> X-Followup-To:rec.audio.car header I so dutifully put in. ergo, your
> >> newsgreader is uncompliant.
> >
> >
> > It might work better if you put "Followup-To:" header instead of
> > the less standard "X-Followup-To:".
> >
>
> My mistake - Mozilla is putting "Followup-To". X-Followup-To is the
> original header, back when "X" was some popular icon of Internet headers.
>

But no apology?

[thelizman]

Andy Weaks wrote:
> thelizman wrote:
>
> But no apology?

Ha ha ha! Not only no, but **** no.

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[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >
> > the vast majority saw no gains in tax refunds this year watch CNN.
>
> HA HA HA HA! CNN!
>
>
> --
> thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"
>
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or read, any major newspaper.

[Les]

"Tha Ghee" > wrote in message
...
> "thelizman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Tha Ghee wrote:
> > >
> > > the vast majority saw no gains in tax refunds this year watch CNN.
> >
> > HA HA HA HA! CNN!
> >
> >
> > --
> > thelizman "I didn't steal the FAQ either"
> >
> > Before you ask a question, check the FAQs for this newsgroup at
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> > a half of knowledge.
> >
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> > "It's about the music, stupid"
> >
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> > is forbidden.
>
> or read, any major newspaper.
>
>

Well then quote any major newspaper. The burden of proof is on you.

Les