Re: Bush, The WORST President in History ?

[Griffon450]

>The Bush Crime Family wrote:
>
>> Well, if you consider a majority of Americans as "liberal left" then you
>are
>> correct in saying that Bush has "creamed them." In that, a lot of Americans
>> have lost their jobs,
>
>Less than a few hundred thousand Americans have lost their job, and
>they'll find one soon enough.
>
> > have no health benefits
>
>Then they should get some...
>
> > are in danger of being exposed
>> to mercury in their water, toxins in the air, mad cow disease
>
>..and of having space junk falling out of the sky and creaming them...
>
> > and a deficit
>> that will take generations to pay off
>
>Or a few years, which is more realistic...
>
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You are obviously part of "The committe to defeat the President..again". We
have lost over 4 million jobs in manufacturing alone. How do you think that
people will obtain health care huh? Many retirees are having their plans
cancelled and many employers are doing like Wal-Mart and not offering it. You
are just a little too flip about this idiot and his impact. As for the
deficit...no way this is going to be paid off "in a couple of years". Even his
own party is walking away from him in the Congress in regards to the budget.
have a cup of coffee and read the newspaper and not the Bush campaign
literature will ya?

[thelizman]

Griffon450 wrote:

> You are obviously part of "The committe to defeat the President..again". We
> have lost over 4 million jobs in manufacturing alone.

Really? The last kook only claimed 2.6 million. BLS statistics show that
while 2.6 million jobs were lost, 2.3 million jobs were gained, and
combined with the contraction of the workforce, we have a mere 5.6%
unemployment - that's very low, by the way. Clinton averaged about 7%.

> How do you think that
> people will obtain health care huh?

Probably the same way everyone else does - pay for it. People like you
make healthcare sound like buying a car, but I've payed for private
health insurance. It's usually about $75 a month for medical and dental,
and you get really good PPO plans at $100. Let's see, all you need to do
is turn off cable TV and skip a weekend of clubbing to afford that. A
kid working Burger King or McDonalds gets even better PPO type plans for
only $30/mo with $12 for dental options.

Keep pretending that the cost of health care is prohibitive, and keep
dreaming of that socialist utopia in the sky where komrade marx provides
for everything, though.

> Many retirees are having their plans
> cancelled and many employers are doing like Wal-Mart and not offering it. You
> are just a little too flip about this idiot and his impact. As for the
> deficit...no way this is going to be paid off "in a couple of years". Even his
> own party is walking away from him in the Congress in regards to the budget.
> have a cup of coffee and read the newspaper and not the Bush campaign
> literature will ya?

Stop reading "newspapers", and do you some thinking for yourself. The
BLS website has downloadable and detailed stats for employment, data,
industrial output, etc etc etc. While you might harp on Walm Mart and
"many employers" allegedly cancelling benefits programs, the truth is
that benefit programs are up, and real wages are up.

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[JWelsh3374]

<< I'll remember that when I go to the North Carolina 3rd District
Convention and cast my vote for the Republican Nominee for President
this Saturday for the first time. Yeah...I've been behind the scene for
years all right... >>


Makes sense. A car audio pimp voting for this idiot. I don't believe that you
were the behind the scenes people he was referring to, sport. Unless you are
the personal car audio pimp for the chosen ones.

<< The electoral college has nothing to do with why we have a two party
system. You're as ignorant on political science as you are
with...well...you're just damned ignorant. >>


Anybody else wanna respond to this? It's too easy...

This poster is my biggest fear in the thinking that Dubya can actually still
give Kerry a run for the money.

Ignorance is bliss.


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[William Sommerwerck]

>> The quality of the people who run for office is a reflection of the
>> attitudes of the people who vote for them. If this country lacks
>> thoughtful, intelligent, and principled office holders, whose fault
>> is it?

> I blame the people who don't vote.

Do the people who don't vote refrain because they don't like who's running? Or
is it because they don't care?

If the former, you're caught in a double bind (ie, they won't vote _until_
someone "good" runs). If the latter, they shouldn't be voting at all.

[thelizman]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>>The quality of the people who run for office is a reflection of the
>>>attitudes of the people who vote for them. If this country lacks
>>>thoughtful, intelligent, and principled office holders, whose fault
>>>is it?
>
>
>>I blame the people who don't vote.
>
>
> Do the people who don't vote refrain because they don't like who's running? Or
> is it because they don't care?
>
> If the former, you're caught in a double bind (ie, they won't vote _until_
> someone "good" runs). If the latter, they shouldn't be voting at all.
>

Their reasons may be manifold. Their reasons are irrelevent - the fact
that they don't vote is the direct cause of the overall disatisfaction
with the current state of politics (assuming there is disatisfaction).

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[thelizman]

JWelsh3374 wrote:
> Makes sense. A car audio pimp voting for this idiot. I don't believe that you
> were the behind the scenes people he was referring to, sport. Unless you are
> the personal car audio pimp for the chosen ones.

Well, I once installed a headunit for a guy who mowed the lawn for
Bush's State Attorney General when he was Governor of Texas, so....I was
*close*.

> << The electoral college has nothing to do with why we have a two party
> system. You're as ignorant on political science as you are
> with...well...you're just damned ignorant. >>
>
> Anybody else wanna respond to this? It's too easy...

Well if its too easy, go for it. I'd love to see you spout the same
populist bull**** explanatin I've been hearing for years, and I'd love
it even more if you had a new theory.

> This poster is my biggest fear in the thinking that Dubya can actually still
> give Kerry a run for the money.

Funny - you people are all about fear.

http://www.fortwayne.com/mld/newssentinel/news/editorial/8494496.htm

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[Joseph Oberlander]

thelizman wrote:

>> Getting rid of the electoral college system is part of the
>> cure, but to really do it, you'd need to completely dismantle
>> the two major parties.
>
> The electoral college has nothing to do with why we have a two party
> system.

I never said it was. But they both need to be reworked.

[thelizman]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>
> thelizman wrote:
>
>>> Getting rid of the electoral college system is part of the
>>> cure, but to really do it, you'd need to completely dismantle
>>> the two major parties.
>>
>>
>> The electoral college has nothing to do with why we have a two party
>> system.
>
>
> I never said it was. But they both need to be reworked.
>

No. They don't. Please do some research before spouting this kind of
uninformed populist bull****. The political spectrum in this country is
not large enough to accomodate more than two parties. Don't believe me?
Do the research yourself. The socialists, communists, and greens all say
the same thing and go after the same vote, and all they do is detract
from Democrat votes. Reform and Libertarian parties do the same thing to
Republicans. You can add as many labels as you want, but there are only
four corners in the political ring, and everybody is more or less
between each of them at any given point.

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[Bill I Rubin]

>The economy is doing better
>than ever

Which "ever" are you talking about?

Don't see that deficit going away too soon.

[Les]

"Bill I Rubin" > wrote in message
...
> >The economy is doing better
> >than ever
>
> Which "ever" are you talking about?
>
> Don't see that deficit going away too soon.


And that is all Bush's fault I suppose? I don't think so.

[Joseph Oberlander]

thelizman wrote:

> Logic wrote:
>
>> Choose anything you like; the economy, future global stability and
>> security, health care, education, the environment, employment, it
>> doesn't matter, they're all in a tailspin since Clinton's
>> administration.

> Unemployment is down to 5.7% less than when Bush came into office.
> Payrolls are up 308,000 as of March,

I get tired of hearing this. Compared to the total number of jobs
lost in the last three years, this hardly comes close to making
it even.

Oh - Bank of America is looking to cut 15,000 jobs thanks to
a merger.

[thelizman]

Bill I Rubin wrote:
>>The economy is doing better
>>than ever
>
>
> Which "ever" are you talking about?
>
> Don't see that deficit going away too soon.

Don't see democratic social spending going away too soon either?
Coincidence?

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[thelizman]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>
> thelizman wrote:
>
>> Logic wrote:
>>
>>> Choose anything you like; the economy, future global stability and
>>> security, health care, education, the environment, employment, it
>>> doesn't matter, they're all in a tailspin since Clinton's
>>> administration.
>
>
>> Unemployment is down to 5.7% less than when Bush came into office.
>> Payrolls are up 308,000 as of March,
>
>
> I get tired of hearing this. Compared to the total number of jobs
> lost in the last three years, this hardly comes close to making
> it even.

You are a math flunkie, aren't you. This is a better number than before
the dot-com bust. There is lower unemployment now in 2004 than there was
in 2000. And it's real jobs, not burger flipping jobs.

> Oh - Bank of America is looking to cut 15,000 jobs thanks to
> a merger.

....and Microsoft will add 3,500 new jobs this year, Unisys 1,300, Dell
4,000, SRP 3,300, MCI Worldcom 4,000, and so on, and so on.

Did you only learn about subtraction in school?


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[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> >
> >
> > thelizman wrote:
> >
> >> Logic wrote:
> >>
> >>> Choose anything you like; the economy, future global stability and
> >>> security, health care, education, the environment, employment, it
> >>> doesn't matter, they're all in a tailspin since Clinton's
> >>> administration.
> >
> >
> >> Unemployment is down to 5.7% less than when Bush came into office.
> >> Payrolls are up 308,000 as of March,
> >
> >
> > I get tired of hearing this. Compared to the total number of jobs
> > lost in the last three years, this hardly comes close to making
> > it even.
>
> You are a math flunkie, aren't you. This is a better number than before
> the dot-com bust. There is lower unemployment now in 2004 than there was
> in 2000. And it's real jobs, not burger flipping jobs.
>
> > Oh - Bank of America is looking to cut 15,000 jobs thanks to
> > a merger.
>
> ...and Microsoft will add 3,500 new jobs this year, Unisys 1,300, Dell
> 4,000, SRP 3,300, MCI Worldcom 4,000, and so on, and so on.
>
> Did you only learn about subtraction in school?
>
>
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how can WorldCom add jobs they're still in trouble for bad biz practices.

[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
>
> how can WorldCom add jobs they're still in trouble for bad biz practices.

Same way your average schmoe can still buy food when they're short on
cash. Credit. I'ts more complicated than that, but you're too much of a
dumbass for me to even begin explaining it to you.

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