Re: "Bush is a Nazi", The WORST croc of **** in History ?

[David Grant]

> > Ha ha, another 80 Americans dead and another 600+ Iraqi dead. Ha ha.
What
> > a great day we're having today laughing our asses off at those dead
people
> > who actually took all of this seriously.
>
> Now, if we wanted to be honest, we'd say "another 600 foreign arab
> insurgents dead". But you're not interested in honesty. You're
> interested in venting your unbased hatred for George Bush.

No one's keeping count of how many are being born...

[Joseph Oberlander]

thelizman wrote:
> Roger W. Norman wrote:
>
>>
>> Ha ha, another 80 Americans dead and another 600+ Iraqi dead. Ha ha.
>> What
>> a great day we're having today laughing our asses off at those dead
>> people
>> who actually took all of this seriously.
>
>
> Now, if we wanted to be honest, we'd say "another 600 foreign arab
> insurgents dead".

That's exactly what the British said in 1776 about us.

[thelizman]

Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>
>
> That's exactly what the British said in 1776 about us.

No, it's not. You'd have to be a complete moron to confuse the two.

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[Scott Dorsey]

thelizman > wrote:
>
>Technically correct, though I prefer to frame it as follows: The deaths
>of tens of millions of Iraqis under UN sanctions is directly the result
>of Saddam Hussein redirectign Oil-For-Food monies into his
>military-industrial complex (added 3/04) and into pockets of UN and EU
>officials who looked the other way for a decade.

I agree with this. What I don't understand is how dropping bombs on them
is supposed to improve the situation.
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[William Sommerwerck]

> They want to create a one-world Islamic state...

This is partly true, but it/s not the whole story.


> Yet, some people have to come up with elaborate theories
> as to why America is target number 1, and use class-warfare
> and sectionalist assertives to back up their hairbrain theory
> because they cannot handle concepts as simple as black and white.

Because few things can be divided into black and white.

If you want to be taken seriously, I urge you to learn how to spell.

[David Grant]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> David Grant wrote:
> >
> > Just because the US doesn't know much about other cultures, doesn't mean
> > other cultures are equally introverted.
>
> *sigh*
>
> It's not a matter of introverted or not. America is far more complex and
> - lets face it - interesting than any other culture on Earth.

First of all, how does America's "complex" and "interesting" culture make
it's introvertedness irrelivant in this topic?

It's a matter of opinion of course, but I'm sorry to say that as someone
who's done a lot of travelling (in the US and overseas), it's about the
least interesting culture I've ever been exposed to. I'm sorry if that
offends anyone, it's just my opinion.

I'm
> willing to bet, however, that if you asked the average Saudi street kid
> about America, he'd have exactly the same misconceptions as your average
> kid from the projects. (and by bet, I've had the opportunity to ask -
> Most people think every American is rich and drives either a "six fo
> impala" or "benz-o").

I'd say America is more often stereotyped for it's attitude than its wealth.
I think this attitude is a projection of the US's political stance
(presently and historically).

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[David Grant]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> David Grant wrote:
> >
> > I don't think he said there wasn't... I think he was implying they
weren't
> > the target. As we all know, non-targets can sometimes get in the way.
>
> Go to the board and write "I will not respond to sarcasm with sincerity"
> 500 times.

Sarcasm is demeaning, and only increases the probability of
misunderstandings.

>
> The thing is, the terrorists WERE targeting liberals. And conservatives,
> and libertarians, and fascists, and nazis, and democrats, and
> republicans, and people who otherwise don't give a **** about any of
> this. I don't know why its so hard for some people to understand this,
> but the terrorists have explicitly told the world why they kill. They
> want to create a one world Islamic state, and America is the ultimate
> threat to their plans of global imperial domination. You can ask any one
> of this islamo-fascist pricks, and they will tell you point black that
> America is the enemy because America won't let Islam spread.

If they are opposed to the people who are opposed to them "spreading", then
they are not opposed to me and are therefore not targetting me. Though they
killed innocents, I don't believe their target was innocents.

America won't let Islam spread, yet America spreads where it wants. That
sounds quite unfair, and I sympathize with their nation accordingly. I also
sympathize with Americans who are disgraced with their country's actions.

>
> Yet, some people have to come up with elaborate theories as to why
> America is target number 1, and use class-warfare and sectionalist
> assertives to back up their hairbrain theory because they cannot handle
> concepts as simple as black and white.

Or maybe the hairbrain people are those who turn the issues INTO black and
white because they can't comprehend anything of greater complexity?

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Roger W. Norman wrote:
> >
> > Ha ha, another 80 Americans dead and another 600+ Iraqi dead. Ha ha.
What
> > a great day we're having today laughing our asses off at those dead
people
> > who actually took all of this seriously.
>
> Now, if we wanted to be honest, we'd say "another 600 foreign arab
> insurgents dead". But you're not interested in honesty. You're
> interested in venting your unbased hatred for George Bush.
>
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why are they insurgents?? because Sadaam had a Dictatorship over there and
we butted in like we always do.

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > That's exactly what the British said in 1776 about us.
>
> No, it's not. You'd have to be a complete moron to confuse the two.
>
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liz if you weren't out smoking in the halls, and where in History class you
would have heard something similar to this.

[nmm]

On Sat, 17 Apr 2004 3:37 AM, Tha Ghee > wrote:
>why are they insurgents?? because Sadaam had a Dictatorship
>over there and
>we butted in like we always do.
>


Technicaly they are "Counter Insurgents", and the Americans are the
"Insurgents".

The 3rd largest part of the Insurgent forces are "private contractors",
or Mercenaries.





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[thelizman]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> I agree with this. What I don't understand is how dropping bombs on them
> is supposed to improve the situation.

That's a common problem, and in the absence of logic, then I point to
causality. We dropped bombs. Iraqis now get food, schooling, water and
sanitation services. These are all good things. However, some of the
effects aren't so beneficial for some. Many international terrorists, EU
heads of State, and UN officials (not that there's alot of difference in
the three) aren't getting their monthly checks from "Mr. and Ms.
Hussein". Bummer.

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[thelizman]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>
> If you want to be taken seriously, I urge you to learn how to spell.

Oh look - the spelling nazi. Sure sign of someone who can't argue with
anything else in an effective manner. Lick me where I ****, Sommersausage.

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[thelizman]

David Grant wrote:
>
> First of all, how does America's "complex" and "interesting" culture make
> it's introvertedness irrelivant in this topic?

You keep insisting that America is introverted. Yet, you will also
assert that America is Imperalist. Could you please make up your mind?

> It's a matter of opinion of course, but I'm sorry to say that as someone
> who's done a lot of travelling (in the US and overseas), it's about the
> least interesting culture I've ever been exposed to. I'm sorry if that
> offends anyone, it's just my opinion.

Opinions...assholes...its interesting to you because you never heard of
it. America is interesting to the entire freaking world. No other
culture can make that claim.

> I'd say America is more often stereotyped for it's attitude than its wealth.

Okay, let me state that again for the people with poor reading
comprehension. I have spoken to Saudi children whose parents have
emigrated. They were raised to believe every American lives like a sheik.

> I think

I call bull****.

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[thelizman]

David Grant wrote:

> If they are opposed to the people who are opposed to them "spreading", then
> they are not opposed to me and are therefore not targetting me. Though they
> killed innocents, I don't believe their target was innocents.

HA HA HA! Maybe next time a suicide bomber comes running up to you, you
should think fast and tell him "I support your right to Islamic
Imperailism!". These people send their own to die for their murderous
principles - they don't care who they kill, and they are targeting you.
Get a clue.

> Or maybe the hairbrain people are those who turn the issues INTO black and
> white because they can't comprehend anything of greater complexity?

I'm sticking with the "you can't handle reality line", since it's
showing up so well in your replies.

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[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> liz if you weren't out smoking in the halls, and where in History class you
> would have heard something similar to this.

WHASSA MATTA! YO NO SPEAKA ENGRISH!?

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[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
>
> why are they insurgents?? because Sadaam had a Dictatorship over there and
> we butted in like we always do.

You're absolutely right, Ghee. How rude of us to butt in on him while
he's killing millions of his own countryman because they're not in his clan.

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[thelizman]

nmm wrote:
>
> Technicaly they are "Counter Insurgents", and the Americans are the
> "Insurgents".
>

Since it appears you disagree with Mr. Webster, I hope you won't mind
too badly if I ignore you, and go with the man who actually knows what
he's talking about.


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[kittlesthekat]

thelizman wrote:

> nmm wrote:
>
>> since they do a two source verifivation on the body count there, it's
>> a lo
>> more accurate than the CNN - or US Military"We don't Do Body Counts"
>
>
> You obviously didn't read jack on that site about how the information
> was collected. They count bodies in morgues, graves, anything that might
> be evidence of a dead body. In no way did they do anything to verify
> that these casualties were the result of military action of any kind.
>
>
>> Why are there any casualties?
>
>
> Proof that there is such a thing as a "dumb question".
>
>
>> You have never been further than 20 miles from your home have you. You
>> might want to investigate what the "Death Squads " that were tied to
>> American supported fascists in Central and South America did.
>
>
> Son, I and people I worked with helped train those "fascists", so don't
> act like you have any ****ing clue whats going on outside of 20 miles
> around my home.
>
>> Read a little, and try reading slowly so you understand before posting
>> again, you ignoramus.
>
>
> Oooh, oooh, he called me "ignoramus"! I'm ****ing shocked!
>
> And why is it everytime I adjust my headers to contain replies to my ng,
> you keep adding every ****ing other ng on the planet? Is it on purpouse,
> or just your incompetance.
>

It's their little way of sharing the misery they create or attempt to
create with everyone possible.
Trolls are proof positive that misery loves company.
The groups I post in, typically, are ia.talk.misc and
alt.pizza.delivery.drivers, and yet, thanks to the trolls, you're
reading my response in, you guessed it, rec.audio.car.
Usually I attempt to trim as many groups as possible, if not all but the
relevant ones, when I respond to these jackasses.


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[David Grant]

> The status quo has always been to feel ill will towards people who have
> it better than you. Its called envy. It's an odd and twisted person who
> blames the target of the sin and not the sinner.


"Do not speak of your happiness to one less fortunate than yourself."
-Plutarch

To flaunt one's fortune is to encourage sin. Be happy and grateful for what
you have in your own mind. The US, in my opinion, has done a poor job of
this.

[Joseph Oberlander]

thelizman wrote:

> Joseph Oberlander wrote:
>
>> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>>
>>>> America for murdering 50,000 Nicarauguans, by funding terrorists in an
>>>> ilegal war. And refusing to pay resitution as ordered by the WOrls
>>>> courts.
>>>
>>>
>>> Courts that are made up of people predisposed to hate us?
>>
>>
>> Who's fault is THAT? 50 years ago, they all loved us.
>
>
> ...no...they didn't. You people are clueless as to history. Do you have
> any idea how long it took to pacify Nazi Germany? 10 years of occupation
> before we could hand it over to a government with any semblence of
> authority. US, French, and British soldiers fought communist and nazi
> insurgents for 3 years before Berlin stopped being a warzone. These are
> small examples of the toll of the Marshall plan in the real world.

That was Germany. The rest of the world generally liked us and
felt good towards us for helping to put a stop to WWII. I also
didn't say *60* years - I left time for what you described.
In 1950, most of the world liked us.

50 years later, most of the world hated us.

[Michael McKelvy]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Michael McKelvy wrote:
>
> > If you kill a murderer for murdering you can be sure that:
> > A. The punishment fit the crime.
> > B. He won't be murdering again.
>
> If we ignore the moral approach (which is the where the battle takes
> place on DP issues), and look at it logically, it is necessary to remove
> a person from society when they cannot function in society in such a way
> that they do not harm others. When such an individual demonstrates the
> wanton desire to kill others without just cause, they must be removed
> from society and all subsets of society. Thus, the only logical
> conclusion is to kill them.
>
> So now...when and where do I apply to flip the switch on UBL or Saddam?
>
The line forms on the right. Pun intended.

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[Sean Holland]

in article , thelizman at
wrote on 4/17/04 6:02 PM:


> The status quo has always been to feel ill will towards people who have
> it better than you. Its called envy. It's an odd and twisted person who
> blames the target of the sin and not the sinner.

When they have it better than you because they exploit you, it's called
being ****ed off.

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[thelizman]

Sean Holland wrote:
>
> When they have it better than you because they exploit you, it's called
> being ****ed off.

Always trying to get an angle to avoid the truth - it's why people like
you always get "exploited".

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[Drew]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> David Grant wrote:
> >
> > I don't think he said there wasn't... I think he was implying they
weren't
> > the target. As we all know, non-targets can sometimes get in the way.
>
> Go to the board and write "I will not respond to sarcasm with sincerity"
> 500 times.
>
> The thing is, the terrorists WERE targeting liberals. And conservatives,
> and libertarians, and fascists, and nazis, and democrats, and
> republicans, and people who otherwise don't give a **** about any of
> this. I don't know why its so hard for some people to understand this,
> but the terrorists have explicitly told the world why they kill. They
> want to create a one world Islamic state, and America is the ultimate
> threat to their plans of global imperial domination. You can ask any one
> of this islamo-fascist pricks, and they will tell you point black that
> America is the enemy because America won't let Islam spread.
>
> Yet, some people have to come up with elaborate theories as to why
> America is target number 1, and use class-warfare and sectionalist
> assertives to back up their hairbrain theory because they cannot handle
> concepts as simple as black and white.
>
> --
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>
>

<Clap-Clap> Here, here!

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >
> > liz if you weren't out smoking in the halls, and where in History class
you
> > would have heard something similar to this.
>
> WHASSA MATTA! YO NO SPEAKA ENGRISH!?
>
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I'm sorry you have trouble reading maybe it's time to get stronger glasses.

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >
> >
> > why are they insurgents?? because Sadaam had a Dictatorship over there
and
> > we butted in like we always do.
>
> You're absolutely right, Ghee. How rude of us to butt in on him while
> he's killing millions of his own countryman because they're not in his
clan.
>
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do you have any proof of this?? let me see some sites.

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> nmm wrote:
> >
> > Technicaly they are "Counter Insurgents", and the Americans are the
> > "Insurgents".
> >
>
> Since it appears you disagree with Mr. Webster, I hope you won't mind
> too badly if I ignore you, and go with the man who actually knows what
> he's talking about.
>
>
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no I don't you just didn't structure your sentence properly but nmn helped
you out.

[Les]

Fred,

Do you just get off on bashing Bush and crossposting to mulitiple groups? I
think you do, so next time you need a release just call one of your 1-900
numbers and do it that way.





"Fred Gilham" > wrote in message
...
>
> > >So you put it beneath him to help support our terrorist enemies?
> > >He tried to assasinate Bush Sr. That's a proven fact. What's that
> > > tell you?
> >
> > That he was trying to do some good in the world.. Bush Sr is a
> > criminal that should be tried and hung.
>
> The only problem I have with GH Bush. is that he is a kick-me
> Republican, as is GW Bush.
>
> --
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> Perhaps the greatest damage the American system of education has done
> to its children is to teach them that their opinions are relevant
> simply because they are their opinions.
>

[Tha Ghee]

"Les" > wrote in message
...
> Fred,
>
> Do you just get off on bashing Bush and crossposting to mulitiple groups?
I
> think you do, so next time you need a release just call one of your 1-900
> numbers and do it that way.
>
daym Les what's with all the anger, are you mad that GWB is behind in the
latest polls??

[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
>
> daym Les what's with all the anger, are you mad that GWB is behind in the
> latest polls??

How does a three point lead make Bush "behind"? I'm talking among
American votes, not among Arabs (who support Kerry 22:1 over Bush).

Man. You're stupid and a leftist. Or, isn't that redundant.

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> And if you think Hussein was not connected to Al Qaeda, you're a fool.

But people on both the left and right have said he wasn't. (That doesn't make it
so, but it appears to be so.) Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He was
not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.

[thelizman]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>And if you think Hussein was not connected to Al Qaeda, you're a fool.
>
>
> But people on both the left and right have said he wasn't. (That doesn't make it
> so, but it appears to be so.)

And people on both the left and right said he was.

> Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He was
> not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.

As if sending checks to Hamas to pay for suicide bombings wasn't
"getting involved"...

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[nmm]

On Mon, May 3, 2004 1:45 PM, William Sommerwerck
> wrote:
>> And if you think Hussein was not connected to Al Qaeda, you're a fool.
>
>But people on both the left and right have said he wasn't. (That doesn't
make
>it
>so, but it appears to be so.) Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He
>was
>not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.
>
>

I knew that Bush was a fool, but not because he finally admitted that
there was no connecction between the Government of Iraq, and Al Queda.

[Andy Weaks]

thelizman wrote:

> George M. Middius wrote:
> >
> > Frank C said:
>
> > Yadda-yadda-yadda. How about some facts?
> >
> > Bush lied to the American people.
> >
> >
> > Did I mention that Bush lied to the American people?
>
> Yes, and interestingly you do it right after saying "how about some
> facts". So how about them. What lie did Bush supposedly tell?

How about.

And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an
airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself,
and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a
horrible accident."» G. W. Bush

he didn't want the 911 commission,

he didn't' want the Homeland security department.

He didn't want the help of the UN in Iraq.

I guess those are like flip flops.

What about him saying the Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors back in?



President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to
challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned
aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."

Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's
nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International
Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from
developing a weapon." And last week, the president said objections by a
labor
union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the
potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."

All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought.
And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information
revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there
was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors
was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post


Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's
impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea
and would not have sold it had I known."

In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members
two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity
problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle,
07.05.02


White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the Environmental
Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I read
the report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary Ari
Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page
Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he said
he did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing about
Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say they
read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said, producing
laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002

He said he didn't really know Ken Lay when they had been buddies for years.

"The president said he first met Lay in 1994, when the businessman worked
for Democratic Gov. Ann Richards." --AP, Jan. 10, 2002.

"In addition to being one of the single largest financial backers of George
W. Bush's political career, Ken Lay can count himself among the president's
closest friends. Letters written while Bush was governor of Texas and
obtained by Mother Jones reveal that the Enron Corp. chairman regularly
wrote Bush and called upon the governor for favors. Lay recommended
appointments to state boards and asked Bush to meet with visiting
dignitaries from countries with whom Enron was hoping to do business. In
fact, the relationship between the men dates back to the first Bush
administration, when George W. used his family name to promote Enron
ventures in Argentina ("Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina")."

MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

"We found the weapons of mass destruction."

"I have been very candid about my past." 2000

"I’m a uniter not a divider." well I guess he is now, all the Iraqis are
starting to hate us.

David Corn wrote a whole book on the lies of George Bush.

just a few of the thousands documented at

http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.june.htm

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html

and some of the other 1.8 million sites

Bush has lied all his life. Get over it.

[Andy Weaks]

thelizman wrote:

> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>And if you think Hussein was not connected to Al Qaeda, you're a fool.
> >
> >
> > But people on both the left and right have said he wasn't. (That doesn't make it
> > so, but it appears to be so.)
>
> And people on both the left and right said he was.
>
> > Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He was
> > not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.
>
> As if sending checks to Hamas to pay for suicide bombings wasn't
> "getting involved"...
>
>

What does Hamas have to do with Al Qaeda?

[William Sommerwerck]

> Not that it matters - the mission of Islamofascists is to spread Islam,
> so that by your (and their logic - remarkable how aligned you are with
> terrorists), America will always be on Muslim land.

Any point of view that differs from yours necessarily means that its holder is a
terrorist, right?

[Steve Grauman]

>Any point of view that differs from yours necessarily means that its holder
>is a
>terrorist, right?
>

Are you going to attempt to argue that Al Qeada is not a terrorist
organization? Can you disagree with the fact that these people would like
nothing more than to see American Government fall and the country go to ruin?
Islamics are not all terrorists, but these people damn sure are.

[thelizman]

Andy Weaks wrote:

> And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an
> airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself,
> and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a
> horrible accident."» G. W. Bush

I don't believe he ever said this, so you're going to have to show me an
actual quote, not something you made up.

> he didn't want the 911 commission,
>
> he didn't' want the Homeland security department.

Where did he say any of this?

> He didn't want the help of the UN in Iraq.

No, he only spent 10 months trying to get it. Again, where did he say this?

> I guess those are like flip flops.

No, that's bull**** you made up.

> What about him saying the Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors back in?

And he didn't, not until we were within weeks of the deadline to drop
bombs. Even then, he obstructed them, and forbade them from certain
sites. Again, when did Bush actually *say* this?

> President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to
> challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned
> aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."

And we discovered converted light air craft which could be used for such
a purpose. Again, where did Bush actually say this?

> Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's
> nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International
> Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from
> developing a weapon."

Bush cited a report - how is this a lie? And when did he say this?

> And last week, the president said objections by a
> labor
> union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the
> potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."

There are no labor unions in Iraq. I'm beginning to see who the liar is
here.

> All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought.
> And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information
> revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there
> was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors
> was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post

Not that Hussein couldn't launch them from a ship parked off the coast,
he does have freighter (or did). Regardless, you're making **** up.

>
> Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's
> impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea
> and would not have sold it had I known."
>
> In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members
> two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity
> problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle,
> 07.05.02

Once again, show me. You can make **** up all day long, you'll have to
actually show me. Even then, quoting the SF chronicle is a guaranteed
lie of itself.

>
> White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the Environmental
> Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I read
> the report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary Ari
> Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page
> Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he said
> he did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing about
> Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say they
> read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said, producing
> laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002
>

Fliescher made a joke. ha ha ha. What's your point?

> He said he didn't really know Ken Lay when they had been buddies for years.
>
> "The president said he first met Lay in 1994, when the businessman worked
> for Democratic Gov. Ann Richards." --AP, Jan. 10, 2002.
>
> "In addition to being one of the single largest financial backers of George
> W. Bush's political career, Ken Lay can count himself among the president's
> closest friends. Letters written while Bush was governor of Texas and
> obtained by Mother Jones reveal that the Enron Corp. chairman regularly
> wrote Bush and called upon the governor for favors. Lay recommended
> appointments to state boards and asked Bush to meet with visiting
> dignitaries from countries with whom Enron was hoping to do business. In
> fact, the relationship between the men dates back to the first Bush
> administration, when George W. used his family name to promote Enron
> ventures in Argentina ("Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina")."

I'm calling bull****. Anyone can make **** up, you hae to PROVE it.

> MISSION ACCOMPLISHED

And it was - that carrier battlegroup was sent to support the invasion
of Iraq, they did, and they went home. Their mission was accomplished.

> "We found the weapons of mass destruction."

The vials of anthrax, the thousands of VX and Sarin tipped shells dug up
in the desert...

> "I have been very candid about my past." 2000
>
> "I’m a uniter not a divider." well I guess he is now, all the Iraqis are
> starting to hate us.
>
> David Corn wrote a whole book on the lies of George Bush.
>
> just a few of the thousands documented at
>
> http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.june.htm
>
> http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html
>
> and some of the other 1.8 million sites
>
> Bush has lied all his life. Get over it.

Bull****, bull****, bull****, and more bull****. I asked you when and
where he lied, and all you did was make some **** up without any backing
what so ever.

So again, I ask you, show me where Bush lied.

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[thelizman]

Andy Weaks wrote:
> thelizman wrote:
>
>>William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>

>> > Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He was
>>
>>>not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.
>>
>>As if sending checks to Hamas to pay for suicide bombings wasn't
>>"getting involved"...

>
>
> What does Hamas have to do with Al Qaeda?
>

They're both terrorist organizations. Try to follow the conversation.

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[thelizman]

William Sommerwerck wrote:
>>Not that it matters - the mission of Islamofascists is to spread Islam,
>>so that by your (and their logic - remarkable how aligned you are with
>>terrorists), America will always be on Muslim land.
>
>
> Any point of view that differs from yours necessarily means that its holder is a
> terrorist, right?
>

No, any point of view that agrees with the terrorists makes that person
idealogically aligned with the terrorist. I know you don't like that
thought, but face it - you're supporting the terrorists with your
fractured divisive logic.

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[nmm]

On Tue, May 4, 2004 9:54 AM, thelizman >
wrote:
>No, any point of view that agrees with the terrorists makes that person
>idealogically aligned with the terrorist. I know you don't like that
>thought, but face it - you're supporting the terrorists with your
>fractured divisive logic.
>

Like the Contras and the Mujahadin, they were terrorists.

And let's not forget the Stern Gang, blowing up hotels full of civilians,
in the name of Israeli independance.

[Andy Weaks]

thelizman wrote:

> Andy Weaks wrote:
>
> > And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an
> > airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly myself,
> > and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have been a
> > horrible accident."» G. W. Bush
>
> I don't believe he ever said this, so you're going to have to show me an
> actual quote, not something you made up.
>

THat is his quote, now you prove he didn't say it. He actually said it twice. If
you would get your head out of Rush's ass you would know. Everything i said in
this is the accurate truth. I don't give a **** if you say it is a lie. YOu are
just a little pea brained republican sycophant. I hate people like you. YOu
wanted quotes or areas where Bush lied and showed you just a small fraction of
his lies and you want more. No. Its your turn to prove that I am wrong. Damn
you're a piece of work.

>
> > he didn't want the 911 commission,
> >
> > he didn't' want the Homeland security department.
>
> Where did he say any of this?
>

Goddam don't you pay attention. Look it up.


>
> > He didn't want the help of the UN in Iraq.
>
> No, he only spent 10 months trying to get it. Again, where did he say this?
>

Your with us or against.


>
> > I guess those are like flip flops.
>
> No, that's bull**** you made up.
>

Just saying it doesn't prove a thing, prove that Bush was for the Homeland
Security and the 911 commission. It is your turn.


>
> > What about him saying the Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors back in?
>
> And he didn't, not until we were within weeks of the deadline to drop
> bombs. Even then, he obstructed them, and forbade them from certain
> sites. Again, when did Bush actually *say* this?
>

****, you just proved Bush lied. Bush said that unequivocally that Saddam didn't
let the inspectors in.


>
> > President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to
> > challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of unmanned
> > aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United States."
>
> And we discovered converted light air craft which could be used for such
> a purpose. Again, where did Bush actually say this?
>

Did you ever see the pictures of these planes. The were useless. Let see, I would
try the Whitehouse Website. for starters Google might help too.


>
> > Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of Hussein's
> > nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International
> > Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from
> > developing a weapon."
>
> Bush cited a report - how is this a lie? And when did he say this?
>

Goddam did you not pay attention, the IAEA report never said that Saddam was six
months away. Really you should listen to something other than Hannity and Rush.

>
> > And last week, the president said objections by a
> > labor
> > union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the
> > potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."
>
> There are no labor unions in Iraq. I'm beginning to see who the liar is
> here.
>

Uh, not about Iraq.

>
> > All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush sought.
> > And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further information
> > revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States; there
> > was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the detectors
> > was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post
>
> Not that Hussein couldn't launch them from a ship parked off the coast,
> he does have freighter (or did). Regardless, you're making **** up.
>

He he he that's funny. I didn't make any of this up. Prove me wrong idiot.


> > Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the company's
> > impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no idea
> > and would not have sold it had I known."
> >
> > In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board members
> > two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity
> > problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle,
> > 07.05.02
>
> Once again, show me. You can make **** up all day long, you'll have to
> actually show me. Even then, quoting the SF chronicle is a guaranteed
> lie of itself.
>

God, when someone is loosing an argument the first thing they do is shoot the
messenger. Look it up, it is elsewhere too.


>
> > White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the Environmental
> > Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I read
> > the report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary Ari
> > Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page
> > Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he said
> > he did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing about
> > Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say they
> > read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said, producing
> > laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002
> >
>
> Fliescher made a joke. ha ha ha. What's your point?

It ain't a joke, BUSH DID NOT READ THE REPORT and said he had. That is a lie. You
insinuate that Bush has never lied. That is lie.


>
>
> > He said he didn't really know Ken Lay when they had been buddies for years.
> >
> > "The president said he first met Lay in 1994, when the businessman worked
> > for Democratic Gov. Ann Richards." --AP, Jan. 10, 2002.
> >
> > "In addition to being one of the single largest financial backers of George
> > W. Bush's political career, Ken Lay can count himself among the president's
> > closest friends. Letters written while Bush was governor of Texas and
> > obtained by Mother Jones reveal that the Enron Corp. chairman regularly
> > wrote Bush and called upon the governor for favors. Lay recommended
> > appointments to state boards and asked Bush to meet with visiting
> > dignitaries from countries with whom Enron was hoping to do business. In
> > fact, the relationship between the men dates back to the first Bush
> > administration, when George W. used his family name to promote Enron
> > ventures in Argentina ("Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina")."
>
> I'm calling bull****. Anyone can make **** up, you hae to PROVE it.
>

Gooddamn, even you should know that Bush and Ken Lay go way back. Why did Bush
lie about this when there wasn't anything to worry about. Bush called him Kenny
Boy.

http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1208785


>
> > MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
>
> And it was - that carrier battlegroup was sent to support the invasion
> of Iraq, they did, and they went home. Their mission was accomplished.
>

Did you hear his speech? I understand it is still on the WH website.


> > "We found the weapons of mass destruction."
>
> The vials of anthrax, the thousands of VX and Sarin tipped shells dug up
> in the desert...
>

Huh, now you have some proven to do now. Where were these vials? Shells? Oh wait,
you talking about the old rusted ones from before the first Gulf war. oh boy,
hook line and sinker. Are you that gullible?


>
> > "I have been very candid about my past." 2000
> >
> > "I’m a uniter not a divider." well I guess he is now, all the Iraqis are
> > starting to hate us.
> >
> > David Corn wrote a whole book on the lies of George Bush.
> >
> > just a few of the thousands documented at
> >
> > http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.june.htm
> >
> > http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html
> >
> > and some of the other 1.8 million sites
> >
> > Bush has lied all his life. Get over it.
>
> Bull****, bull****, bull****, and more bull****. I asked you when and
> where he lied, and all you did was make some **** up without any backing
> what so ever.
>

You are just like a little kid when can't face the truth. I have shown now it is
you job to prove me wrong. Just saying liar liar pants on fire don't get it.
you're pathetic.

>
> So again, I ask you, show me where Bush lied.

Read Corns book and come back to us. Hell watch something other than Fox for a
change.

[Andy Weaks]

thelizman wrote:

> Andy Weaks wrote:
> > thelizman wrote:
> >
> >>William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>
>
> >> > Hussein seems to have had his own plans. He was
> >>
> >>>not -- at least at present -- getting involved with terrorist groups.
> >>
> >>As if sending checks to Hamas to pay for suicide bombings wasn't
> >>"getting involved"...
>
> >
> >
> > What does Hamas have to do with Al Qaeda?
> >
>
> They're both terrorist organizations. Try to follow the conversation.
>
>

Again what does Al Qaeda have to do with Hamas? Remember it was Al Qaeda
that attacked us. Please pay attention.

So we invade countries based that week of a link? Boy when do we invade
northern Ireland? Peru? Indonesia, Thailand, Sri Lanka, The Philippines,
Columbia, Spain, Russia, and all the other countries that have similar
terrorists. See how stupid you are?

[Les]

Hey Andy,

What happened to "Name calling is unbecoming." You said that on May 3. Yet,
your post to Lizard is full of personal insults. Oh lets say like this one,
"YOu are just a little pea brained republican sycophant. I hate people like
you."
Man those are pretty big insults for someone who says that name calling is
unbecoming.

Hey, I personally don't care, I think your an ignorant leftwing ****stick
who doesn't know a damn thing about politics and are even more of a moron
when it comes to car audio. And to top it all of you are a hypocrite. Busted
Andy, you are an unbecoming person by your own standards. Now since your in
the car audio newsgroup, try participating in one of those threads you
dumbass troll.

Les


"Andy Weaks" > wrote in message
...
> thelizman wrote:
>
> > Andy Weaks wrote:
> >
> > > And I was sitting outside the classroom waiting to go in, and I saw an
> > > airplane hit the tower -- the TV was obviously on, and I use to fly
myself,
> > > and I said, "There's one terrible pilot." And I said, "It must have
been a
> > > horrible accident."» G. W. Bush
> >
> > I don't believe he ever said this, so you're going to have to show me an
> > actual quote, not something you made up.
> >
>
> THat is his quote, now you prove he didn't say it. He actually said it
twice. If
> you would get your head out of Rush's ass you would know. Everything i
said in
> this is the accurate truth. I don't give a **** if you say it is a lie.
YOu are
> just a little pea brained republican sycophant. I hate people like you.
YOu
> wanted quotes or areas where Bush lied and showed you just a small
fraction of
> his lies and you want more. No. Its your turn to prove that I am wrong.
Damn
> you're a piece of work.
>
> >
> > > he didn't want the 911 commission,
> > >
> > > he didn't' want the Homeland security department.
> >
> > Where did he say any of this?
> >
>
> Goddam don't you pay attention. Look it up.
>
>
> >
> > > He didn't want the help of the UN in Iraq.
> >
> > No, he only spent 10 months trying to get it. Again, where did he say
this?
> >
>
> Your with us or against.
>
>
> >
> > > I guess those are like flip flops.
> >
> > No, that's bull**** you made up.
> >
>
> Just saying it doesn't prove a thing, prove that Bush was for the Homeland
> Security and the 911 commission. It is your turn.
>
>
> >
> > > What about him saying the Saddam wouldn't let the inspectors back in?
> >
> > And he didn't, not until we were within weeks of the deadline to drop
> > bombs. Even then, he obstructed them, and forbade them from certain
> > sites. Again, when did Bush actually *say* this?
> >
>
> ****, you just proved Bush lied. Bush said that unequivocally that Saddam
didn't
> let the inspectors in.
>
>
> >
> > > President Bush, speaking to the nation this month about the need to
> > > challenge Saddam Hussein, warned that Iraq has a growing fleet of
unmanned
> > > aircraft that could be used "for missions targeting the United
States."
> >
> > And we discovered converted light air craft which could be used for such
> > a purpose. Again, where did Bush actually say this?
> >
>
> Did you ever see the pictures of these planes. The were useless. Let see,
I would
> try the Whitehouse Website. for starters Google might help too.
>
>
> >
> > > Last month, asked if there were new and conclusive evidence of
Hussein's
> > > nuclear weapons capabilities, Bush cited a report by the International
> > > Atomic Energy Agency saying the Iraqis were "six months away from
> > > developing a weapon."
> >
> > Bush cited a report - how is this a lie? And when did he say this?
> >
>
> Goddam did you not pay attention, the IAEA report never said that Saddam
was six
> months away. Really you should listen to something other than Hannity and
Rush.
>
> >
> > > And last week, the president said objections by a
> > > labor
> > > union to having customs officials wear radiation detectors has the
> > > potential to delay the policy "for a long period of time."
> >
> > There are no labor unions in Iraq. I'm beginning to see who the liar is
> > here.
> >
>
> Uh, not about Iraq.
>
> >
> > > All three assertions were powerful arguments for the actions Bush
sought.
> > > And all three statements were dubious, if not wrong. Further
information
> > > revealed that the aircraft lack the range to reach the United States;
there
> > > was no such report by the IAEA; and the customs dispute over the
detectors
> > > was resolved long ago. --10.22.02, Washington Post
> >
> > Not that Hussein couldn't launch them from a ship parked off the coast,
> > he does have freighter (or did). Regardless, you're making **** up.
> >
>
> He he he that's funny. I didn't make any of this up. Prove me wrong idiot.
>
>
> > > Asked later if his [Harken] stock sale had been related to the
company's
> > > impending setback, {Board member] Bush replied, "I absolutely had no
idea
> > > and would not have sold it had I known."
> > >
> > > In fact, SEC records show that Harken's president had warned board
members
> > > two months before Bush's sell-off that the company had liquidity
> > > problems that would "drastically affect" operations. --SF Chronicle,
> > > 07.05.02
> >
> > Once again, show me. You can make **** up all day long, you'll have to
> > actually show me. Even then, quoting the SF chronicle is a guaranteed
> > lie of itself.
> >
>
> God, when someone is loosing an argument the first thing they do is shoot
the
> messenger. Look it up, it is elsewhere too.
>
>
> >
> > > White House Admits Bush Lied "When Bush was asked about [the
Environmental
> > > Protection Agency's report] last week, he dismissively remarked: 'I
read
> > > the report put out by the bureaucracy.' ...White House press secretary
Ari
> > > Fleischer fessed up: President Bush didn't actually read that 268-page
> > > Environmental Protection Agency report on climate change, even if he
said
> > > he did. Fleischer was asked Monday at his daily White House briefing
about
> > > Bush's comments that he'd read the report. "Whenever presidents say
they
> > > read it, you can read that to be he was briefed," Fleischer said,
producing
> > > laughter. --AP, June 10, 2002
> > >
> >
> > Fliescher made a joke. ha ha ha. What's your point?
>
> It ain't a joke, BUSH DID NOT READ THE REPORT and said he had. That is a
lie. You
> insinuate that Bush has never lied. That is lie.
>
>
> >
> >
> > > He said he didn't really know Ken Lay when they had been buddies for
years.
> > >
> > > "The president said he first met Lay in 1994, when the businessman
worked
> > > for Democratic Gov. Ann Richards." --AP, Jan. 10, 2002.
> > >
> > > "In addition to being one of the single largest financial backers of
George
> > > W. Bush's political career, Ken Lay can count himself among the
president's
> > > closest friends. Letters written while Bush was governor of Texas and
> > > obtained by Mother Jones reveal that the Enron Corp. chairman
regularly
> > > wrote Bush and called upon the governor for favors. Lay recommended
> > > appointments to state boards and asked Bush to meet with visiting
> > > dignitaries from countries with whom Enron was hoping to do business.
In
> > > fact, the relationship between the men dates back to the first Bush
> > > administration, when George W. used his family name to promote Enron
> > > ventures in Argentina ("Don't Cry for Bush, Argentina")."
> >
> > I'm calling bull****. Anyone can make **** up, you hae to PROVE it.
> >
>
> Gooddamn, even you should know that Bush and Ken Lay go way back. Why did
Bush
> lie about this when there wasn't anything to worry about. Bush called him
Kenny
> Boy.
>
> http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/story.hts/business/1208785
>
>
> >
> > > MISSION ACCOMPLISHED
> >
> > And it was - that carrier battlegroup was sent to support the invasion
> > of Iraq, they did, and they went home. Their mission was accomplished.
> >
>
> Did you hear his speech? I understand it is still on the WH website.
>
>
> > > "We found the weapons of mass destruction."
> >
> > The vials of anthrax, the thousands of VX and Sarin tipped shells dug up
> > in the desert...
> >
>
> Huh, now you have some proven to do now. Where were these vials? Shells?
Oh wait,
> you talking about the old rusted ones from before the first Gulf war. oh
boy,
> hook line and sinker. Are you that gullible?
>
>
> >
> > > "I have been very candid about my past." 2000
> > >
> > > "I'm a uniter not a divider." well I guess he is now, all the Iraqis
are
> > > starting to hate us.
> > >
> > > David Corn wrote a whole book on the lies of George Bush.
> > >
> > > just a few of the thousands documented at
> > >
> > > http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.june.htm
> > >
> > > http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/03/07/22_lies.html
> > >
> > > and some of the other 1.8 million sites
> > >
> > > Bush has lied all his life. Get over it.
> >
> > Bull****, bull****, bull****, and more bull****. I asked you when and
> > where he lied, and all you did was make some **** up without any backing
> > what so ever.
> >
>
> You are just like a little kid when can't face the truth. I have shown now
it is
> you job to prove me wrong. Just saying liar liar pants on fire don't get
it.
> you're pathetic.
>
> >
> > So again, I ask you, show me where Bush lied.
>
> Read Corns book and come back to us. Hell watch something other than Fox
for a
> change.
>
>

[thelizman]

nmm wrote:
> On Tue, May 4, 2004 9:54 AM, thelizman >
> wrote:
>
>>No, any point of view that agrees with the terrorists makes that person
>>idealogically aligned with the terrorist. I know you don't like that
>>thought, but face it - you're supporting the terrorists with your
>>fractured divisive logic.
>>
>
>
> Like the Contras and the Mujahadin, they were terrorists.
>
> And let's not forget the Stern Gang, blowing up hotels full of civilians,
> in the name of Israeli independance.

So you're saying you agree with these people?

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Andy Weaks wrote:
>
> THat is his quote, now you prove he didn't say it.

It doesn't work that way.

I don't have to prove what doesn't exist doesn't exist.

Welcome to logic.

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[thelizman]

Andy Weaks wrote:
>
> Again what does Al Qaeda have to do with Hamas? Remember it was Al Qaeda
> that attacked us. Please pay attention.

I have been attention.

The assertion was that Saddam Hussein did not support terrorist
organizations.

He sent millions of dollars in checks to West Banks families in support
of Hamas suicide bombings.

So where do you come in with Al Qaeda? And if you don't think Al Qaeda
and Hamas are related, then you're ignorant as hell.

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"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Tha Ghee wrote:
> >
> >
> > daym Les what's with all the anger, are you mad that GWB is behind in
the
> > latest polls??
>
> How does a three point lead make Bush "behind"? I'm talking among
> American votes, not among Arabs (who support Kerry 22:1 over Bush).
>
> Man. You're stupid and a leftist. Or, isn't that redundant.
>
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if you look at the latest gallop polls GWB is behind.

[Tha Ghee]

"Steve Grauman" > wrote in message
...
> >Any point of view that differs from yours necessarily means that its
holder
> >is a
> >terrorist, right?
> >
>
> Are you going to attempt to argue that Al Qeada is not a terrorist
> organization? Can you disagree with the fact that these people would like
> nothing more than to see American Government fall and the country go to
ruin?
> Islamics are not all terrorists, but these people damn sure are.

the Al Qeada is a huge organization, so yes one cell maybe but no the whole
thing.

[Tha Ghee]

"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> William Sommerwerck wrote:
> >>Not that it matters - the mission of Islamofascists is to spread Islam,
> >>so that by your (and their logic - remarkable how aligned you are with
> >>terrorists), America will always be on Muslim land.
> >
> > Any point of view that differs from yours necessarily means that its
holder is a
> > terrorist, right?
>
> No, any point of view that agrees with the terrorists makes that person
> idealogically aligned with the terrorist. I know you don't like that
> thought, but face it - you're supporting the terrorists with your
> fractured divisive logic.
>
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not at all we just have a different view point than you, doesn't mean we
align with terrorist.

[Les]

"Tha Ghee" > wrote in message >
> the Al Qeada is a huge organization, so yes one cell maybe but no the
whole
> thing.
>
>

Are you really this ****ing stupid?!?!? Al Qeada's leader IS A TERRORIST.
They are a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION!!!
It is not limited to one cell, but the entire entity. Ghee, you make
yourself look more retarted every post you make, you ****tard.

Les

[thelizman]

Tha Ghee wrote:
>
> if you look at the latest gallop polls GWB is behind.

http://www.gallup.com/content/?ci=11671

Bush is ahead among likely voters - people who actually will vote (as
opposed to those who are registered, but are staying home).

But then...that's gallup. They're usually way off.

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