Roger W. Norman
April 15th 04, 03:33 PM
"thelizman" > wrote in message
...
> Maybe you haven't noticed, but terrorism is down. Not just down from
> 2001, but at the lowest in decades. The terrorists are having to go
> after France and Spain now, which isn't any more comforting for the
> French or Spanish, but when you capitulate to terrorists, you get what
> you asked for.
In truth, it's a decades long quagmire now, not just one from our
involvement with the Iraqi war, however adversely that adds to the equation.
While one may not be able to capitulate to terrorists under duress, one may,
however, realize that terrorism doesn't pop up it's ugly head just because,
as the Bush administration has tried to exclaim to the American public, they
just hate America for it's freedom, etc, etc, yada yada. Well, they just
hate America, but it's because of 50 years + of American foreign policy that
has used people all over the world as chess pieces, leaving the pickings to
the riff raff and years and even decades of internal strife wherever we
touch down. Well, almost. America was on the right footing after WWII,
when the Marshall plan was instituted and we helped rebuild Europe and
install a democratic system in Germany and Japan. But I think a lot of
people forget that these were DEFEATED countries that needed to be
contained, and democracy is pretty easy to foist on people when the choice
is no choice.
After that, welllllllll, we weren't quite so magnanimous about our treatment
of other countries in the world, and in some cases like Vietnam, we directly
killed millions of people, and the aftermath of our leaving left millions
more to die. After WWII we also got into this arena of working within the
middle east where we didn't and still don't understand the culture of the
arab people, but because of the "free" world's views, Isreal was foisted
upon the mandated Arab States, and everything has been sitting and
fermenting from there on. Interestingly enough, the Palestinian issue
should never have come up, but let's face it, when someone else starts a war
with you and you win, ****, you win. And if it means partitioning yourself
off from the arab states for purposes of security, then keeping a little of
the territory the losers lost isn't such a big deal. But Jordan, who had
the bulk of the Palestinian population on the west bank, wouldn't
"repatriate" their own peoples, and Israel needed the west bank for
strategic purposes if they were to be a viable state and maintain their own
existence.
So, leave it up to the west to **** it up again by simply walking away from
the problem. Now 5 million Palestinian refugees are more like 15 million
and for the past thirty years they've felt like they needed to breed
warriors in their efforts to survive. Those warriors have been played upon
by the radical Islamic element that can call for the killing of innocents as
part of their strategy whilst ignoring the teachings that certainly, at
least, dissuade one from taking a non-combantant's life or even the life of
a tree. And that strategy has to follow that it would be taken to the next
level, and then even the next level because here they are, 30+ years, still
****ing refugees. And they are refugees that have been slaughtered by both
Israelis and massacred by Lebanese Christians. Is there any wonder the
Palestinian's plight has given rise to the feelings of hate on the Arab
street against Israel and America, Jews and Christians?
So while peace may not come from capitulation to immediate terrorist
demands, it's possible to find common ground, even if in that common ground
each group has to admit to their complacency in the deaths of what will
surely turn out to be millions again if that level of government soul
searching and honesty can't be accomplished. I mean, if we'd been honest
with the Afghani during and just after their insurgent war with the USSR, we
probably wouldn't be in this situation right now, the Taliban wouldn't have
progressed to be a country's leaders, and Bin Laden would be a statesman and
maybe even a light at the end of the tunnel in the Palestinian question.
And just to make this clear, if one takes a look at this Palestinian
situation since the newest intifada has been enacted, every time the
Palestinians stop killing Israelis, there always seems to be more
Palestinians killed regardless. I have no doubts the Arab street is ****ed,
and I have no doubts that it's America's foreign policies that has helped
drive an entire people to feel they needed to rear their ugly heads as
terrorists. And if terrorism is down right now and you think that's an
indication that terrorism can be thwarted by force of might, you have no
idea of what terrorism really is. If something's not blowing up right now,
you can bet it will only be a bigger boom when it does happen. You can't
keep the pressure on a pressure cooker without something going boom. The
Israelis have been fighting terror for 50 years and they haven't conquered
it and that's because it's not conquerable.
Bush said in his press conference the other day that he has the plan to end
terrorism. Well, so far, I'd say that he's done a pretty good job of
driving it underground, but the terrorists know that the President today
won't be the same President in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years, and they
have all the time in the world. It doesn't make a damned bit of difference
to them if it's 30 generations of Arabs if it takes that long.
So what's the answer if talks aren't possible? Kill an entire people? Is
it even possible to consider such a thing on a human level, not to mention
we'd be talking about 1.2 BILLION people if we incite the entire Arab world,
and even more if we include all muslims.
--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
...
> Maybe you haven't noticed, but terrorism is down. Not just down from
> 2001, but at the lowest in decades. The terrorists are having to go
> after France and Spain now, which isn't any more comforting for the
> French or Spanish, but when you capitulate to terrorists, you get what
> you asked for.
In truth, it's a decades long quagmire now, not just one from our
involvement with the Iraqi war, however adversely that adds to the equation.
While one may not be able to capitulate to terrorists under duress, one may,
however, realize that terrorism doesn't pop up it's ugly head just because,
as the Bush administration has tried to exclaim to the American public, they
just hate America for it's freedom, etc, etc, yada yada. Well, they just
hate America, but it's because of 50 years + of American foreign policy that
has used people all over the world as chess pieces, leaving the pickings to
the riff raff and years and even decades of internal strife wherever we
touch down. Well, almost. America was on the right footing after WWII,
when the Marshall plan was instituted and we helped rebuild Europe and
install a democratic system in Germany and Japan. But I think a lot of
people forget that these were DEFEATED countries that needed to be
contained, and democracy is pretty easy to foist on people when the choice
is no choice.
After that, welllllllll, we weren't quite so magnanimous about our treatment
of other countries in the world, and in some cases like Vietnam, we directly
killed millions of people, and the aftermath of our leaving left millions
more to die. After WWII we also got into this arena of working within the
middle east where we didn't and still don't understand the culture of the
arab people, but because of the "free" world's views, Isreal was foisted
upon the mandated Arab States, and everything has been sitting and
fermenting from there on. Interestingly enough, the Palestinian issue
should never have come up, but let's face it, when someone else starts a war
with you and you win, ****, you win. And if it means partitioning yourself
off from the arab states for purposes of security, then keeping a little of
the territory the losers lost isn't such a big deal. But Jordan, who had
the bulk of the Palestinian population on the west bank, wouldn't
"repatriate" their own peoples, and Israel needed the west bank for
strategic purposes if they were to be a viable state and maintain their own
existence.
So, leave it up to the west to **** it up again by simply walking away from
the problem. Now 5 million Palestinian refugees are more like 15 million
and for the past thirty years they've felt like they needed to breed
warriors in their efforts to survive. Those warriors have been played upon
by the radical Islamic element that can call for the killing of innocents as
part of their strategy whilst ignoring the teachings that certainly, at
least, dissuade one from taking a non-combantant's life or even the life of
a tree. And that strategy has to follow that it would be taken to the next
level, and then even the next level because here they are, 30+ years, still
****ing refugees. And they are refugees that have been slaughtered by both
Israelis and massacred by Lebanese Christians. Is there any wonder the
Palestinian's plight has given rise to the feelings of hate on the Arab
street against Israel and America, Jews and Christians?
So while peace may not come from capitulation to immediate terrorist
demands, it's possible to find common ground, even if in that common ground
each group has to admit to their complacency in the deaths of what will
surely turn out to be millions again if that level of government soul
searching and honesty can't be accomplished. I mean, if we'd been honest
with the Afghani during and just after their insurgent war with the USSR, we
probably wouldn't be in this situation right now, the Taliban wouldn't have
progressed to be a country's leaders, and Bin Laden would be a statesman and
maybe even a light at the end of the tunnel in the Palestinian question.
And just to make this clear, if one takes a look at this Palestinian
situation since the newest intifada has been enacted, every time the
Palestinians stop killing Israelis, there always seems to be more
Palestinians killed regardless. I have no doubts the Arab street is ****ed,
and I have no doubts that it's America's foreign policies that has helped
drive an entire people to feel they needed to rear their ugly heads as
terrorists. And if terrorism is down right now and you think that's an
indication that terrorism can be thwarted by force of might, you have no
idea of what terrorism really is. If something's not blowing up right now,
you can bet it will only be a bigger boom when it does happen. You can't
keep the pressure on a pressure cooker without something going boom. The
Israelis have been fighting terror for 50 years and they haven't conquered
it and that's because it's not conquerable.
Bush said in his press conference the other day that he has the plan to end
terrorism. Well, so far, I'd say that he's done a pretty good job of
driving it underground, but the terrorists know that the President today
won't be the same President in 10 years or 20 years or 30 years, and they
have all the time in the world. It doesn't make a damned bit of difference
to them if it's 30 generations of Arabs if it takes that long.
So what's the answer if talks aren't possible? Kill an entire people? Is
it even possible to consider such a thing on a human level, not to mention
we'd be talking about 1.2 BILLION people if we incite the entire Arab world,
and even more if we include all muslims.
--
Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio