A Music Thread

[Glenn Zelniker]

I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
blown away by how good it is.

Any other Big Star fans out there?

GZ

[dave weil]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 11:34:35 -0500, Glenn Zelniker >
wrote:

>I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
>the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
>this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
>obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
>And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
>blown away by how good it is.
>
>Any other Big Star fans out there?

Oh yeah...

I hope you have the other two as well. The first is one of the first
"power pop" albums ever (bost-Beatles of course). The third is the
portrait of the artist in crisis and it's brilliant in its off-kilter
way.

If you like them, you should check out Cotton Mather's album Kon-Kiki.
While not a Big Star clone, they are certainly cut from the same
Byrds/Beatles For Sale sort of cloth (and yes, it's obvious that
they've listened to a lot of Big Star).

I turned dormer on to them, but I don't know whether he actually
picked them up or not. Oddly enough, jj was a huge Big Star fan. In
fact, that formed the basis for a rapprochement between us.

Saw them a couple of years ago and they were brilliant. You should
check them out if you're able to catch them. Alex seems pretty healthy
now and finally at ease with his legacy.

[Glenn Zelniker]

dave weil wrote:

> I hope you have the other two as well. The first is one of the first
> "power pop" albums ever (bost-Beatles of course). The third is the
> portrait of the artist in crisis and it's brilliant in its off-kilter
> way.

I have the other two. #1 Record is also great, with the
exception of the abysmal "India Song." I'm not as keen on
the third album, although I do think it's good.

> I turned dormer on to them, but I don't know whether he actually
> picked them up or not. Oddly enough, jj was a huge Big Star fan.

That's not really very odd. jj is a huge music fan with
broad taste.

GZ

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Glenn Zelniker > wrote:

> I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
> the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
> this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
> obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
> And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
> blown away by how good it is.
>
> Any other Big Star fans out there?

I just picked up the SACD hybrid with the first two records, so much of
Big Star is still new to me. I was tempted by the Rhino reissue of
"Third/Sister Lovers" at a nearby Half-Price, but I held off because I
wanted to read some opinions on the transfer quality.

I like what I've heard so far!

Stephen

[dave weil]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 12:31:08 -0500, Glenn Zelniker >
wrote:

>dave weil wrote:
>
>> I hope you have the other two as well. The first is one of the first
>> "power pop" albums ever (bost-Beatles of course). The third is the
>> portrait of the artist in crisis and it's brilliant in its off-kilter
>> way.
>
>I have the other two. #1 Record is also great, with the
>exception of the abysmal "India Song." I'm not as keen on
>the third album, although I do think it's good.

I like India Song in its own goofy way.

You really should devote some more time to Sister Lovers/Third. It
could be one of the most honest albums of all time. I know that it's a
difficult album to approach, but it's worth the extra effort. With a
song like Thank You Friends, he takes the conventional pop song and
sets it on its head. And Holocaust is one of the most harrowing songs
ever. Nick Cave ain't got nuthin' on Alex chilton.

>> I turned dormer on to them, but I don't know whether he actually
>> picked them up or not. Oddly enough, jj was a huge Big Star fan.
>
>That's not really very odd. jj is a huge music fan with
>broad taste.

That may have come out wrong. I just never would have expected him to
be familiar with Big Star, much less be a big fan. Just goes to
show...

Big Star is in my DNA. I've been acquainted with them since almost the
beginning. It's hard of me to think about modern music without putting
them in the top percentile of important groups, even if they weren't
very popular from a commercial standpoint. There are few groups that
have had more influence on musicians than them. In fact, I'd say that
the ratio of albums sold/influence is the largest this side of the
Velvet Underground (a big influence on Alex himself).

[dave weil]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:54:27 GMT, MINe 109 >
wrote:

>In article >,
> Glenn Zelniker > wrote:
>
>> I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
>> the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
>> this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
>> obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
>> And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
>> blown away by how good it is.
>>
>> Any other Big Star fans out there?
>
>I just picked up the SACD hybrid with the first two records, so much of
>Big Star is still new to me. I was tempted by the Rhino reissue of
>"Third/Sister Lovers" at a nearby Half-Price, but I held off because I
>wanted to read some opinions on the transfer quality.
>
>I like what I've heard so far!

You should immediately pick up Sister Lovers, but note that this is
really just an Alex Chilton solo album with only hints of the first
two albums. As he was on the edge of a breakdown at the time, it's
definitely not for the timid. This was one of the first "lo-fi" albums
ever recorded (intentionally lo-fi that is). I wouldn't worry about
the transfer quality really.

There are several different versions of this album, and the Rhino
rerelease pulls them all together. I had the first version of the
album on a white test pressing when it came out. It had the Jerry Lee
cover on it but then the album was shelved for several reasons. when
the album was finally released on Bomp back in the late 70s, it had
been rearranged, and Whole Lot of Shakin' Goin' On was left off. It
took another 15 years for the album to be released as Alex originally
intended it, but there were still some songs that weren't included
(like Nature Boy and the Kinks cover).

I'd say that this is the definitive version. I wish I had the test
pressing to compare it with, but that's long gone (boy, what it's
probably worth now!)

[josko]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> Big Star is in my DNA. I've been acquainted with them since almost the
> beginning. It's hard of me to think about modern music without putting
> them in the top percentile of important groups, even if they weren't
> very popular from a commercial standpoint. There are few groups that
> have had more influence on musicians than them. In fact, I'd say that
> the ratio of albums sold/influence is the largest this side of the
> Velvet Underground (a big influence on Alex himself).
>


Big Star is recording a new album right now (Chilton, Stephens, plus the
two guys from The Posies; Big Star fans should check Frosting on the
Beater by The Posies if they haven't yet).

[dave weil]

On Wed, 2 Mar 2005 13:26:00 -0500, "josko"
> wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
>> Big Star is in my DNA. I've been acquainted with them since almost the
>> beginning. It's hard of me to think about modern music without putting
>> them in the top percentile of important groups, even if they weren't
>> very popular from a commercial standpoint. There are few groups that
>> have had more influence on musicians than them. In fact, I'd say that
>> the ratio of albums sold/influence is the largest this side of the
>> Velvet Underground (a big influence on Alex himself).
>>
>
>
>Big Star is recording a new album right now (Chilton, Stephens, plus the
>two guys from The Posies; Big Star fans should check Frosting on the
>Beater by The Posies if they haven't yet).

That's right, although they've been at it for a while now. When I went
back to Memphis to see Elvis Costello last April, they were at Ardent
recording the album, so I don't know what's holding things up.

It's amazing how much Auer sounds like Chris Bell when he's doing one
of Chris' songs...

[MINe 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

<Rhino reissue of "Third/Sister Lovers">

> You should immediately pick up Sister Lovers, but note that this is
> really just an Alex Chilton solo album with only hints of the first
> two albums. As he was on the edge of a breakdown at the time, it's
> definitely not for the timid. This was one of the first "lo-fi" albums
> ever recorded (intentionally lo-fi that is). I wouldn't worry about
> the transfer quality really.
>
> There are several different versions of this album, and the Rhino
> rerelease pulls them all together. I had the first version of the
> album on a white test pressing when it came out. It had the Jerry Lee
> cover on it but then the album was shelved for several reasons. when
> the album was finally released on Bomp back in the late 70s, it had
> been rearranged, and Whole Lot of Shakin' Goin' On was left off. It
> took another 15 years for the album to be released as Alex originally
> intended it, but there were still some songs that weren't included
> (like Nature Boy and the Kinks cover).
>
> I'd say that this is the definitive version. I wish I had the test
> pressing to compare it with, but that's long gone (boy, what it's
> probably worth now!)

Just had a cancellation, so maybe I'll take that drive!

Here's a discussion with Terry Manning I just found:

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/3832/0/0/0

Stephen

[Boon]

Glenn Zelniker wrote:
> I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
> the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
> this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
> obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
> And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
> blown away by how good it is.
>
> Any other Big Star fans out there?
>
> GZ

You should check out the Google archives a couple of years ago when
dave and I tried to beat the importance of Big Star into Greg Singh's
head. It didn't work, because his final word on the matter was
something about how Big Star wasn't fit to drink Bryan Ferry's
bathwater, a comment that still makes me bristle.

Boon

[MINe 109]

In article . com>,
"Boon" > wrote:

> Glenn Zelniker wrote:
> > I'm listening to Big Star's "Radio City" for what seems like
> > the hundredth time this week. I'll go through phases like
> > this -- I've had the album forever and I'll listen to it
> > obsessively for weeks at a time and then forget about it.
> > And then when I dig it back up again and listen to it, I'm
> > blown away by how good it is.
> >
> > Any other Big Star fans out there?
> >
> > GZ
>
> You should check out the Google archives a couple of years ago when
> dave and I tried to beat the importance of Big Star into Greg Singh's
> head. It didn't work, because his final word on the matter was
> something about how Big Star wasn't fit to drink Bryan Ferry's
> bathwater, a comment that still makes me bristle.

Memories! How many tv themes has Ferry written, eh? I wonder if he still
has that photo at bedside...

Well, I took that drive to get Big Star Third, which cost me $30+ after
I added Little Richard on Specialty, CPE Bach woodwind stuff on Cpo, and
Furtwangler's wartime Beethoven on M&A.

Stephen

[Glenn Zelniker]

MINe 109 wrote:

> Memories! How many tv themes has Ferry written, eh? I wonder if he still
> has that photo at bedside...

Please explain the "tv themes" remark.

GZ

[dave weil]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:15:27 -0500, Glenn Zelniker >
wrote:

>MINe 109 wrote:
>
>> Memories! How many tv themes has Ferry written, eh? I wonder if he still
>> has that photo at bedside...
>
>Please explain the "tv themes" remark.
>
>GZ

In The Streets is the theme song to That 70s Show. Of course, it's
done by Big Star fans Cheap Trick.

[John Atkinson]

Boon wrote:
> You should check out the Google archives a couple of years ago
> when dave and I tried to beat the importance of Big Star into Greg
> Singh's head. It didn't work, because his final word on the matter
> was something about how Big Star wasn't fit to drink Bryan Ferry's
> bathwater, a comment that still makes me bristle.

Ah Boon, if it wasn't for Bryan Ferry attempting it first, we
wouldn't have Rod Stewart recording the classic American popular
song repertoire...er, yes, I get your point. :-)

John Atkinson
Editor, Stereophile

[dave weil]

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:49:54 GMT, MINe 109 >
wrote:

>In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
><Rhino reissue of "Third/Sister Lovers">
>
>> You should immediately pick up Sister Lovers, but note that this is
>> really just an Alex Chilton solo album with only hints of the first
>> two albums. As he was on the edge of a breakdown at the time, it's
>> definitely not for the timid. This was one of the first "lo-fi" albums
>> ever recorded (intentionally lo-fi that is). I wouldn't worry about
>> the transfer quality really.
>>
>> There are several different versions of this album, and the Rhino
>> rerelease pulls them all together. I had the first version of the
>> album on a white test pressing when it came out. It had the Jerry Lee
>> cover on it but then the album was shelved for several reasons. when
>> the album was finally released on Bomp back in the late 70s, it had
>> been rearranged, and Whole Lot of Shakin' Goin' On was left off. It
>> took another 15 years for the album to be released as Alex originally
>> intended it, but there were still some songs that weren't included
>> (like Nature Boy and the Kinks cover).
>>
>> I'd say that this is the definitive version. I wish I had the test
>> pressing to compare it with, but that's long gone (boy, what it's
>> probably worth now!)
>
>Just had a cancellation, so maybe I'll take that drive!
>
>Here's a discussion with Terry Manning I just found:
>
>http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/mv/msg/3832/0/0/0

WOW. Thanks for that Stephen.

Terry has been doing great work for so many years now. I was surprised
to find out that he was working out of Compass Point in the Caribbean
now.

There's an interesting thread in Terry's section that morphed into an
interesting discussion of analog vs. digital in terms of recording. It
is just a small sample of recording engineers, but the consensus seems
to be that it's not what analog adds to the "mix" but what digital
takes away that keeps people interested in keeping analog as an
available option. They seem to get what makes analog *still* an
interesting medium, regardless of what the naysayers around these
parts say. Of course, they don't have to diss digital to do it (not an
either/or thing), because most of them still use digital, obviously.

http://recforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/t/3821/0

[[email protected]]

No, it started with...I'm not sure, but Blondie doing "Follow Me"
(Lerner/lowe, Camelot) on Autoamerican was pretty daring then. This was
several years before Linda Ronstadt fronted a lot of those same LA
studio guys (that Chapman used) playing Nelson Riddle's last charts.

[josko]

>> Any other Big Star fans out there?
>>
>> GZ


It looks like the new album will be released this summer. Twelve songs
(out of 15 recorded) were chosen for the release. By chance, Macca
heard it and liked it a lot. For more details, see new Uncut.

[[email protected]]

As if we really value the opinion of any musician-even if he does still
write cool bass lines now again-who would go on the same stage singing
with the lovely accompaniment of Linda Eastman.

[George M. Middius]

Paul Dormer said:

> The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
> my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...

Surely not better than Oasis? They are, to quote a reliable source, the
best band in the world. Come to think of it, that's what Boy George said of
Culture Club, so maybe that title's a bit overused.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:26:10 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>Paul Dormer said:
>
>> The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
>> my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...
>
>Surely not better than Oasis? They are, to quote a reliable source, the
>best band in the world.

But they themselves insist that Cotton Mather hung the moon.

The ironic thing is that Noel was right. Kontiki is one brilliant
slice of popular music. Should have been yooge.

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> >> The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
> >> my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...
> >
> >Surely not better than Oasis? They are, to quote a reliable source, the
> >best band in the world.
>
> But they themselves insist that Cotton Mather hung the moon.

Ackshully, I was paraphrasing Noel Gorridger or whatever his name was.
Self-aggrandizement is apparently quite chic if you're from bloody
Manchester.

> The ironic thing is that Noel was right. Kontiki is one brilliant
> slice of popular music. Should have been yooge.

You people with your adoration of nowhere bands..... Let's hear it for
Guided by Voices, source of some of the most alternately toe-tapping and
irritating albums in modern pop history. Noting in passing that said
Kontiki album has a track called "Aurora Bori Alice", a title that
definitely sounds like the author was drunk when he penned it.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 20:49:53 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>
>
>dave weil said:
>
>> >> The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
>> >> my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...
>> >
>> >Surely not better than Oasis? They are, to quote a reliable source, the
>> >best band in the world.
>>
>> But they themselves insist that Cotton Mather hung the moon.
>
>Ackshully, I was paraphrasing Noel Gorridger or whatever his name was.
>Self-aggrandizement is apparently quite chic if you're from bloody
>Manchester.

Oh, I knew that. However, Noel flipped over the band back when Kontiki
came out (but you knew that now that you've checked up on them at
allmusic).

>> The ironic thing is that Noel was right. Kontiki is one brilliant
>> slice of popular music. Should have been yooge.
>
>You people with your adoration of nowhere bands..... Let's hear it for
>Guided by Voices, source of some of the most alternately toe-tapping and
>irritating albums in modern pop history. Noting in passing that said
>Kontiki album has a track called "Aurora Bori Alice", a title that
>definitely sounds like the author was drunk when he penned it.

True 'nuff. And it's one of the weakest cuts on the album. There are
some absolutely brilliant things on it, and Guided By Voices is
considered a kindred spirit. I can see that comparison. If you like
them (and like The Beatles ca. For Sale and Revolver), you'll flip
over this album (Boon, are you listening)?

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> >> >Surely not better than Oasis? They are, to quote a reliable source, the
> >> >best band in the world.
> >>
> >> But they themselves insist that Cotton Mather hung the moon.
> >
> >Ackshully, I was paraphrasing Noel Gorridger or whatever his name was.
> >Self-aggrandizement is apparently quite chic if you're from bloody
> >Manchester.
>
> Oh, I knew that. However, Noel flipped over the band back when Kontiki
> came out (but you knew that now that you've checked up on them at
> allmusic).

Oops, I didn't get the full assignment. Can I take a make-up exam?


> >> The ironic thing is that Noel was right. Kontiki is one brilliant
> >> slice of popular music. Should have been yooge.
> >
> >You people with your adoration of nowhere bands..... Let's hear it for
> >Guided by Voices, source of some of the most alternately toe-tapping and
> >irritating albums in modern pop history. Noting in passing that said
> >Kontiki album has a track called "Aurora Bori Alice", a title that
> >definitely sounds like the author was drunk when he penned it.
>
> True 'nuff. And it's one of the weakest cuts on the album. There are
> some absolutely brilliant things on it, and Guided By Voices is
> considered a kindred spirit. I can see that comparison. If you like
> them (and like The Beatles ca. For Sale and Revolver), you'll flip
> over this album (Boon, are you listening)?

Hmmm... Figures you'd know the album. I probably haven't heard more than a
track or two. Better the Beatles than the Beach Boys, of course.

[dave weil]

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 21:27:25 -0500, George M. Middius
> wrote:

>> True 'nuff. And it's one of the weakest cuts on the album. There are
>> some absolutely brilliant things on it, and Guided By Voices is
>> considered a kindred spirit. I can see that comparison. If you like
>> them (and like The Beatles ca. For Sale and Revolver), you'll flip
>> over this album (Boon, are you listening)?
>
>Hmmm... Figures you'd know the album. I probably haven't heard more than a
>track or two. Better the Beatles than the Beach Boys, of course.

I thought I had mentioned them here recently. Maybe I didn't.

Kontiki is my favorite album right now. Yeah, I'm only 7 years behind
the curve. But I recently got it and I'm besotted with it. An
incredible album. In fact, I listened to it just an hour ago.

I first really heard them on Little Steven's Sirius channel,
Underground Garage. They play She's Only Cool all the time.

[Boon]

Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
and over.

Boon

[Sander deWaal]

Paul Dormer > said:

>The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
>my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...


Argh! I have one album by them, "Middle Class Revolt".
It was a gift, and now it serves as a placemat.

Not my cuppa tea, you will note .

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Ruud Broens]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
: Paul Dormer > said:
:
: >The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
: >my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...
:
:
: Argh! I have one album by them, "Middle Class Revolt".
: It was a gift, and now it serves as a placemat.
:
: Not my cuppa tea, you will note .
:
: --
: Sander de Waal
: " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

He, shall i send you some great tea ? Got it from Hediard - Paris

Rudy
more of a coffee guy,
these days

[Sander deWaal]

"Ruud Broens" > said:

>: Not my cuppa tea, you will note .

>He, shall i send you some great tea ? Got it from Hediard - Paris


You want to poison me?

Another one for the archives: Rudy is stalking me with tea,
threatening to poison me!


>Rudy
>more of a coffee guy,
>these days


My car and I
Have some things in common
We both smoke
We both are thirsty
But where she takes pride in swallowing gas
All I ever need is a cappuccino

She's a tramp
but with dignity.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Ruud Broens]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
...
: "Ruud Broens" > said:
:
: >: Not my cuppa tea, you will note .
:
: >He, shall i send you some great tea ? Got it from Hediard - Paris
:
:
: You want to poison me?
:
: Another one for the archives: Rudy is stalking me with tea,
: threatening to poison me!
:
:
: >Rudy
: >more of a coffee guy,
: >these days
:
:
: My car and I
: Have some things in common
: We both smoke
: We both are thirsty
: But where she takes pride in swallowing gas
: All I ever need is a cappuccino
:
: She's a tramp
: but with dignity.
:
: --
: Sander de Waal
: " SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

ok, i hadn't reckoned with your habit of _smoking_ tea,
my mistake ;-)
Rudy

[dave weil]

On 5 Mar 2005 20:11:32 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:

>Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
>and over.
>
>Boon

Let me just say this, this Cotton Mather album makes the Shins look
like tuneless hacks.

You need to get this album IMMEDIATELY. It's called Kontiki.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On 5 Mar 2005 20:11:32 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:
>
> >Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
> >and over.
> >
> >Boon
>
> Let me just say this, this Cotton Mather album makes the Shins look
> like tuneless hacks.
>
> You need to get this album IMMEDIATELY. It's called Kontiki.

Not to be confused with the band Kontiki...

Stephen

[Lionel]

Boon a écrit :
> Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
> and over.

You'd better make a little bit sport. It's the only good
medecine for what you have. ;-)

[dave weil]

On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:40:52 GMT, MINe 109 >
wrote:

>In article >,
> dave weil > wrote:
>
>> On 5 Mar 2005 20:11:32 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:
>>
>> >Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
>> >and over.
>> >
>> >Boon
>>
>> Let me just say this, this Cotton Mather album makes the Shins look
>> like tuneless hacks.
>>
>> You need to get this album IMMEDIATELY. It's called Kontiki.
>
>Not to be confused with the band Kontiki...

Are they from Austin too?

[George M. Middius]

dave weil said:

> Are they from Austin too?

The guy who's going to take down Tom Delay is from Austin. (Saw it on 60
Minutes yesterday.) The Texas GOP wants to pass a law outlawing liberals and
Democrats. What kind of music do they play in the churches around Austin?

[MINe 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On Mon, 07 Mar 2005 12:40:52 GMT, MINe 109 >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > dave weil > wrote:
> >
> >> On 5 Mar 2005 20:11:32 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
> >> >and over.

> >> Let me just say this, this Cotton Mather album makes the Shins look
> >> like tuneless hacks.
> >>
> >> You need to get this album IMMEDIATELY. It's called Kontiki.
> >
> >Not to be confused with the band Kontiki...
>
> Are they from Austin too?

No, from Boon-land, although Austin does sometimes 'adopt'
out-of-towners like Ozomatli or Kasey Chambers.

Another Austin band that's had some good press is Spoon. There's a
sample track at Salon.com "Audiofile".

I found some Cotton Mather samples: "I've Lost My Motto". These guys
have had really bad luck with record companies! Tuneful as hell, the
kind of power-pop I thought would take over the world when Husker Du and
the Replacements started getting major label contracts. Cotton Mather
sounds more British-influenced than those two bands, but I like that
(Flamin' Groovies anyone?), and I can sorta see why Oasis might take an
interest.

Stephen

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Paul Dormer > wrote:

> "MINe 109" emitted :
>
> >I found some Cotton Mather samples: "I've Lost My Motto". These guys
> >have had really bad luck with record companies! Tuneful as hell, the
> >kind of power-pop I thought would take over the world when Husker Du and
> >the Replacements started getting major label contracts. Cotton Mather
> >sounds more British-influenced than those two bands, but I like that
> >(Flamin' Groovies anyone?), and I can sorta see why Oasis might take an
> >interest.
>
> MoR.

There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead
armadillos, as we say in Texas.

Stephen

[Sander deWaal]

Paul Dormer > said:


>>>The Fall continue to be the best band that has ever existed ever, in
>>>my opinion. Shall be seeing them this week with a bit of luck...

>>Argh! I have one album by them, "Middle Class Revolt".
>>It was a gift, and now it serves as a placemat.

>>Not my cuppa tea, you will note .

>That is a mostly **** album. There is one standout track - try
>cranking up "Surmount all Obstacles" and see what gives.


Maybe if I were to polish this CD with Armor-All it would be
playable... as it is, it certailnly is not ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Clyde Slick]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> dave weil said:
>
>> Are they from Austin too?
>
> The guy who's going to take down Tom Delay is from Austin. (Saw it on 60
> Minutes yesterday.) The Texas GOP wants to pass a law outlawing liberals
> and
> Democrats. What kind of music do they play in the churches around Austin?
>

Admittedly, Reps are not much for protecting endangered species.



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"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Boon a écrit :
>> Sorry, dave...can't hear you. Too busy playing The Arcade Fire over
>> and over.
>
> You'd better make a little bit sport. It's the only good medecine for what
> you have. ;-)

What medecine do you prescribe for a sick yalmake?



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[MINe 109]

In article >, "Clyde Slick" >
wrote:

> "George M. Middius" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > dave weil said:
> >
> >> Are they from Austin too?
> >
> > The guy who's going to take down Tom Delay is from Austin. (Saw it on 60
> > Minutes yesterday.) The Texas GOP wants to pass a law outlawing liberals
> > and
> > Democrats. What kind of music do they play in the churches around Austin?
> >
>
> Admittedly, Reps are not much for protecting endangered species.

There are plenty in Austin, and just under 50% nationwide (Dems,
according to the 2004 presidential vote).

Church music? Giving it up for Lent...

Stephen

[Boon]

It's not available anywhere, and apparently it's a bit rare. I found
one on eBay, though and bid on it! ;-)

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Paul Dormer > wrote:

> "MINe 109" emitted :
>
> >> >I found some Cotton Mather samples: "I've Lost My Motto". These guys
> >> >have had really bad luck with record companies! Tuneful as hell, the
> >> >kind of power-pop I thought would take over the world when Husker Du and
> >> >the Replacements started getting major label contracts. Cotton Mather
> >> >sounds more British-influenced than those two bands, but I like that
> >> >(Flamin' Groovies anyone?), and I can sorta see why Oasis might take an
> >> >interest.
> >>
> >> MoR.
> >
> >There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead
> >armadillos, as we say in Texas.
>
> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
> road... so infested is it with C&W?

Our C&W is different! Willie Nelson, Billie Joe Shaver, Lyle Lovett,
etc. Texas has its own traditions of Western swing, blues, rock, punk,
and folk.

Stephen

[Tom]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote
>
> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
> road... so infested is it with C&W?

Ever hear of an obscure band called ZZ Top?
Give a listen to Sharp Dressed Man. You might
like it.

[Tom]

"Paul Dormer" > wrote
> "Tom" emitted :
>
>>> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
>>> road... so infested is it with C&W?
>>
>>Ever hear of an obscure band called ZZ Top?
>>Give a listen to Sharp Dressed Man. You might
>>like it.
>
> It's OK... I wouldn't buy it.
> They do kinda wrock live tho', innit.

dude.... We saw them in Cheyenne last summer and I think
they're coming to Colorado this year. The only recorded
concert performance that I know is on Clapton's Crossroads
benefit. Cool but too little.

Aren't you a player? SDM is fun. Rawks.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 05:20:55 +0000, Paul Dormer >
wrote:

>"MINe 109" emitted :
>
>>> >> >I found some Cotton Mather samples: "I've Lost My Motto". These guys
>>> >> >have had really bad luck with record companies! Tuneful as hell, the
>>> >> >kind of power-pop I thought would take over the world when Husker Du and
>>> >> >the Replacements started getting major label contracts. Cotton Mather
>>> >> >sounds more British-influenced than those two bands, but I like that
>>> >> >(Flamin' Groovies anyone?), and I can sorta see why Oasis might take an
>>> >> >interest.
>>> >>
>>> >> MoR.
>>> >
>>> >There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead
>>> >armadillos, as we say in Texas.
>>>
>>> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
>>> road... so infested is it with C&W?
>>
>>Our C&W is different! Willie Nelson, Billie Joe Shaver, Lyle Lovett,
>
>Yeeah mon, that's more like it. :-)
>
>>etc. Texas has its own traditions of Western swing, blues, rock, punk,
>>and folk.
>
>There was me thinking it's Billy Ray Cyrus line dancin' country...

No, that's Nashville's Music Row's creation.

BTW, if Cotton Mather is MoR, then I say more of it! The music world
would be for more interesting...

[dave weil]

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:30:59 -0700, "Tom" > wrote:

>"Paul Dormer" > wrote
>> "Tom" emitted :
>>
>>>> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
>>>> road... so infested is it with C&W?
>>>
>>>Ever hear of an obscure band called ZZ Top?
>>>Give a listen to Sharp Dressed Man. You might
>>>like it.
>>
>> It's OK... I wouldn't buy it.
>> They do kinda wrock live tho', innit.
>
>dude.... We saw them in Cheyenne last summer and I think
>they're coming to Colorado this year. The only recorded
>concert performance that I know is on Clapton's Crossroads
>benefit. Cool but too little.
>
>Aren't you a player? SDM is fun. Rawks.

I find it pretty boring myself. Once ZZ Top went kitsch, I sort of
lost interest. In their early days, pre-beard, they were one of the
best blues bands around. They did Freddy King almost better than the
man himself. Of course, in those days, he was still playing Pearly
Gates...

I wasn't unimpressed by the stuff on Crossroads though. Gibbons still
has some chops.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Paul Dormer > wrote:

> "MINe 109" emitted :
>
> >> >> >I found some Cotton Mather samples: "I've Lost My Motto". These guys
> >> >> >have had really bad luck with record companies! Tuneful as hell, the
> >> >> >kind of power-pop I thought would take over the world when Husker Du
> >> >> >and
> >> >> >the Replacements started getting major label contracts. Cotton Mather
> >> >> >sounds more British-influenced than those two bands, but I like that
> >> >> >(Flamin' Groovies anyone?), and I can sorta see why Oasis might take
> >> >> >an
> >> >> >interest.
> >> >>
> >> >> MoR.
> >> >
> >> >There's nothing in the middle of the road but a yellow stripe and dead
> >> >armadillos, as we say in Texas.
> >>
> >> I thought Texas was the centre of the universe for middle of the
> >> road... so infested is it with C&W?
> >
> >Our C&W is different! Willie Nelson, Billie Joe Shaver, Lyle Lovett,
>
> Yeeah mon, that's more like it. :-)

Jimmy Dale Gilmore, Calvin Russell, Joe Ely, Roky Erickson, Doug Sahm,
Junior Brown. Not exactly Nashville types.

> >etc. Texas has its own traditions of Western swing, blues, rock, punk,
> >and folk.
>
> There was me thinking it's Billy Ray Cyrus line dancin' country...

If you don't hear a difference between Willie and Billy!

Stephen

[Tom]

"dave weil" > wrote

> I find it pretty boring myself. Once ZZ Top went kitsch, I sort of
> lost interest. In their early days, pre-beard, they were one of the
> best blues bands around.

Are you talking about early recordings, or pre-recording? Is any of
this "best blues band around" stuff recorded? Which albums?

Right now here's what's in the car player. 3 AC/DC albums, 2
ZZ albums, a T Rex and the new Mark Knopfler. All are recorded
from LPs except the re-released Highway to Hell and the MK. The
AC/DC are all Bon Scott. They've all been in there together for
several months. The only thing I'm getting tired of hearing is T Rex.
Sometimes when Sharp Dressed comes on, I play it 2 and 3 times
over and turn it up of course. Luv Billy. I do think that early ZZ
commercially available CDs were poorly re-engineered.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 07:31:23 -0700, "Tom" > wrote:

>
>"dave weil" > wrote
>
>> I find it pretty boring myself. Once ZZ Top went kitsch, I sort of
>> lost interest. In their early days, pre-beard, they were one of the
>> best blues bands around.
>
>Are you talking about early recordings, or pre-recording? Is any of
>this "best blues band around" stuff recorded? Which albums?

Actually I was talking about seeing them live in 1973 and 1974.
Incredible.

Still, the first two albums (and Tres Hombres for the most part) are
really good blues albums.

I don't know if there are any live boots from the early days. They
used to do a KILLER verion of Long Distance Call for instance.

>Right now here's what's in the car player. 3 AC/DC albums, 2
>ZZ albums, a T Rex and the new Mark Knopfler. All are recorded
>from LPs except the re-released Highway to Hell and the MK. The
>AC/DC are all Bon Scott. They've all been in there together for
>several months. The only thing I'm getting tired of hearing is T Rex.
>Sometimes when Sharp Dressed comes on, I play it 2 and 3 times
>over and turn it up of course. Luv Billy. I do think that early ZZ
>commercially available CDs were poorly re-engineered.

After Tres Hombrees, I sort of lost interest. There are a fewsongs
that I like, and I don't DISLIKE SDM, but I think that they ended up
getting stuck in a groove (no pun intended).

I couldn't tell you about the CD masters of the early albums. I still
have them on vinyl (well, don't have the first album any more ...need
to get it again...)

[dave weil]

On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:20:51 +0000, Paul Dormer >
wrote:

>"dave weil" emitted :
>
>>>There was me thinking it's Billy Ray Cyrus line dancin' country...
>>
>>No, that's Nashville's Music Row's creation.
>
>Is that a bit like Death Row Records, but for girls?

No, it's more like a tiny version of "The City" in the middle of your
nation's capitol. Except it's full of 40-somethings with pony tails
and receding hairlines.

>>BTW, if Cotton Mather is MoR, then I say more of it! The music world
>>would be for more interesting...
>
>Bored of "well crafted pop". I'd rather be swerving about the road
>hitting into things..

Well then, ignore my recommendation about Cotton Mather. Wouldn't
interest you - not even the "lo-fi" stuff on there.

Still, I maintain that if MoR was this stuff instead of Britney
Spears, the world would be a better place.

[Lionel]

MINe 109 a écrit :

> Calvin Russell

This guy spend most of his time in France... ;-)
I have seen him 3 times both electric and acoustic sets.
He is very good singer, very friendly.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Lionel > wrote:

> MINe 109 a écrit :
>
> > Calvin Russell
>
> This guy spend most of his time in France... ;-)

http://www.musicaustin.com/rock/crussell.html

Yes, that's him.

> I have seen him 3 times both electric and acoustic sets.
> He is very good singer, very friendly.

http://www.musicaustin.com/mp3/texas_song.mp3

He shore did miss his Texas...

Look for Calvin at the Broken Spoke in a bad tv movie, "A Seduction in
Travis County" (1991).

http://www.brokenspokeaustintx.com/

Stephen

[Boon]

Uh, that was a present. So was the skull shift knob.

Boon

[Boon]

I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
Dylan, little bit Big Star. It hasn't, however, cured my addiction to
The Arcade Fire.

[dave weil]

On 15 Mar 2005 15:45:04 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:

>I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
>listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
>Dylan, little bit Big Star. It hasn't, however, cured my addiction to
>The Arcade Fire.

Hope you thought it was worth it though.

To me, it's the catchiest thing since the Asian Flu. I still think it
makes The Shins sound like tuneless hacks, and you know how much I
like THEM.

[MINe 109]

In article >,
dave weil > wrote:

> On 15 Mar 2005 15:45:04 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:
>
> >I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
> >listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
> >Dylan, little bit Big Star. It hasn't, however, cured my addiction to
> >The Arcade Fire.
>
> Hope you thought it was worth it though.
>
> To me, it's the catchiest thing since the Asian Flu. I still think it
> makes The Shins sound like tuneless hacks, and you know how much I
> like THEM.

For anyone wondering what the fuss is about, samples are available here:

http://www.rainbowquartz.com/artists.asp?BC=CM

Stephen

[Lionel]

In om>, Boon wrote :

> I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
> listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
> Dylan, little bit Big Star.


How does our "pop music" expert qualify this pathologic nostalgic
addiction ? ;-)

> It hasn't, however, cured my addiction to
> The Arcade Fire.

[Boon]

I think Cotton Mather is pretty damned good stuff. I'm especially
impressed with the second song, "Homefront Cameo." Sound like one of
the Finn brothers snuck into that one.

Boon

[dave weil]

On 16 Mar 2005 03:42:56 -0800, "Boon" > wrote:

>I think Cotton Mather is pretty damned good stuff. I'm especially
>impressed with the second song, "Homefront Cameo." Sound like one of
>the Finn brothers snuck into that one.

I think that my current favorite is the lo-fi Private Ruth. Either
that or Password. Homefront Cameo is the first song that I focused on
though. And the vocals on the first song sound like what the Byrds
might be doing now if they were still together.

[dave weil]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:09:55 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>In om>, Boon wrote :
>
>> I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
>> listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
>> Dylan, little bit Big Star.
>
>
>How does our "pop music" expert qualify this pathologic nostalgic
>addiction ? ;-)

I would classify it as an annoying yapping poodle tugging at one's
leg.

Oh, you weren't talking about *you*, were you?

But since you brought it up, yes, I think you're pathological.

You're welcome.

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 09:09:55 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>In om>, Boon wrote :
>>
>>
>>>I bid, I won, and yesterday I received Kontiki in the mail, and I
>>>listened. It's pretty damned good...little bit Beatles, little bit
>>>Dylan, little bit Big Star.
>>
>>
>>How does our "pop music" expert qualify this pathologic nostalgic
>>addiction ? ;-)
>
>
> I would classify it as an annoying yapping poodle tugging at one's
> leg.

I bet that you borrowed this one to George.


> Oh, you weren't talking about *you*, were you?


Ha, ha ha !!! Good one !
You can be real clown when you accept to do some efforts.


> But since you brought it up, yes, I think you're pathological.

Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
competences ?

> You're welcome.

:-D

[dave weil]

On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>competences ?

As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>>competences ?
>
>
> As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.

I note that I meet you frequently in the sewers.
At least it's my job since you seems to be here for pleasure
only.

:-D

[dave weil]

On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:30 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>dave weil a écrit :
>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>>>competences ?
>>
>>
>> As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.
>
>I note that I meet you frequently in the sewers.
>At least it's my job since you seems to be here for pleasure
>only.

No, not only...

[Lionel]

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:30 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>dave weil a écrit :
>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>>>>competences ?
>>>
>>>
>>> As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.
>>
>>I note that I meet you frequently in the sewers.
>>At least it's my job since you seems to be here for pleasure
>>only.
>
> No, not only...

Yes, that's true.
You also love to look intelligent...

;-)

[dave weil]

On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:29:31 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>In >, dave weil wrote :
>
>> On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:30 +0100, Lionel >
>> wrote:
>>
>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>> On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>>>>>competences ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.
>>>
>>>I note that I meet you frequently in the sewers.
>>>At least it's my job since you seems to be here for pleasure
>>>only.
>>
>> No, not only...
>
>Yes, that's true.
>You also love to look intelligent...

Unlike you, of course...

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Fri, 18 Mar 2005 11:29:31 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>
>>In >, dave weil wrote :
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 17 Mar 2005 23:06:30 +0100, Lionel >
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>dave weil a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:28:35 +0100, Lionel >
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Oh, oh our little "pop music" expert has also some medical
>>>>>>competences ?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>As much as our little French sewer worker, I suppose.
>>>>
>>>>I note that I meet you frequently in the sewers.
>>>>At least it's my job since you seems to be here for pleasure
>>>>only.
>>>
>>>No, not only...
>>
>>Yes, that's true.
>>You also love to look intelligent...
>
>
> Unlike you, of course...

That's also true... because *I* am intelligent.

:-P

[dave weil]

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:58:04 +0100, Lionel >
wrote:

>>>You also love to look intelligent...
>>
>>
>> Unlike you, of course...
>
>That's also true... because *I* am intelligent.

I rest my case.

[Lionel]

In >, dave weil wrote :

> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 12:58:04 +0100, Lionel >
> wrote:
>
>>>>You also love to look intelligent...
>>>
>>>
>>> Unlike you, of course...
>>
>>That's also true... because *I* am intelligent.
>
> I rest my case.

It's better.
Anyway you haven't the choice. :-(