Re: Jupiter Audio tries the honest approach!

[Arny Krueger]

> wrote in message


> Gerg eats what pride he has left, and tells it like it is:

> Jupiter Audio Ganymede 3 way speaker in blk. oak
> This is an ad for a demo pair of Jupiter Audio Ganymedes in black
> lacquered oak finish.This pair has approximately 300 hrs. of use and
> are fully broken
> Price: $1125.00

> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/search2.pl?seller&Gmsingh&1&3&4&

> Dave, was this the pair he sent you? Don't let the color fool you.
> The black finish he describes is probably due to fire damage...

Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales. Since only
about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can presume that he's
sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual subwoofers.

[dave weil]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:01 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

> wrote in message

>
>> Gerg eats what pride he has left, and tells it like it is:
>
>> Jupiter Audio Ganymede 3 way speaker in blk. oak
>> This is an ad for a demo pair of Jupiter Audio Ganymedes in black
>> lacquered oak finish.This pair has approximately 300 hrs. of use and
>> are fully broken
>> Price: $1125.00
>
>> http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/search2.pl?seller&Gmsingh&1&3&4&
>
>> Dave, was this the pair he sent you? Don't let the color fool you.
>> The black finish he describes is probably due to fire damage...
>
>Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales. Since only
>about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can presume that he's
>sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual subwoofers.

Note the debating trade kicking in.

He has 17 individual feedbacks. This may or may not exactly correlate
to sales.

I do have to wonder about the wisdom of naming a speaker Subterfuge
though. Why not just name it Deceptive?

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales. Since only
>about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can presume that he's
>sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual subwoofers.

"At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.

What have you done, Arnold?

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Lionel]

dave weil a écrit :
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:26:01 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>
> wrote in message

>>
>>
>>>Gerg eats what pride he has left, and tells it like it is:
>>
>>>Jupiter Audio Ganymede 3 way speaker in blk. oak
>>>This is an ad for a demo pair of Jupiter Audio Ganymedes in black
>>>lacquered oak finish.This pair has approximately 300 hrs. of use and
>>>are fully broken
>>>Price: $1125.00
>>
>>>http://cgi.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/search2.pl?seller&Gmsingh&1&3&4&
>>
>>>Dave, was this the pair he sent you? Don't let the color fool you.
>>>The black finish he describes is probably due to fire damage...
>>
>>Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales. Since only
>>about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can presume that he's
>>sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual subwoofers.
>
>
> Note the debating trade kicking in.
>
> He has 17 individual feedbacks. This may or may not exactly correlate
> to sales.
>
> I do have to wonder about the wisdom of naming a speaker Subterfuge
> though. Why not just name it Deceptive?

This is what I was telling you while you was correcting his orthography
faults and supporting his irrational behaviour. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>> subwoofers.
>
> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>
> What have you done, Arnold?

Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX test. A
mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio for the past
decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places.

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>> subwoofers.

>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.

>> What have you done, Arnold?

>Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX test. A
>mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio for the past
>decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places.

For a moment there I thought you designed the first SSL console.

Oh well, never mind.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[dave weil]

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>> subwoofers.
>>
>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>
>> What have you done, Arnold?
>
>Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX test. A
>mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio for the past
>decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places.

Hmmmm, that's funny. Where are these "many" places?

And I think that abx pales to the analog vs. digital debate. Of
course, that' sjust my opinion, not a fake fact like Arnold proposes.

[Arny Krueger]

"Lionel" > wrote in message


> Sander deWaal a écrit :

>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.

> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working as a
> salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)

Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter Audio were
so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have been serious about
it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to agree. ;-)

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>>> subwoofers.
>
>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>
>>> What have you done, Arnold?
>
>> Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX
>> test. A mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio
>> for the past decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in
>> many places.
>
> For a moment there I thought you designed the first SSL console.

Once again Sander, you've confused Bamborough's mad blustering with a
reasonable claim.

> Oh well, never mind.

Only if you never bring it up again.

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.

>> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working as a
>> salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)

>Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter Audio were
>so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have been serious about
>it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to agree. ;-)

Of course that's why you went into the computer business, despite your
claims of audio fame regarding the invention of ABX*.

Figures.


* which we all know was developed by D. Carlstrom.

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>>>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>>>> subwoofers.

>>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.

>>>> What have you done, Arnold?

>>> Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX
>>> test. A mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio
>>> for the past decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in
>>> many places.

>> For a moment there I thought you designed the first SSL console.

>Once again Sander, you've confused Bamborough's mad blustering with a
>reasonable claim.

Goggle lied to you again, apprently? ;-)

>> Oh well, never mind.

>Only if you never bring it up again.

Can't promise anything ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Ruud Broens]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

: Once again Sander, you've confused Bamborough's mad blustering with a
: reasonable claim.


Err, i what dictionary do we have to look up *your* definition
of reason
we wonder..
Rudy&Rudy
by def.

: > Oh well, never mind.
:
: Only if you never bring it up again.
:
:

[Lionel]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> "Lionel" > wrote in message
>
>
>> Sander deWaal a écrit :
>
>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>
>> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working as a
>> salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)
>
> Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter Audio
> were so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have been serious
> about it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to agree. ;-)

This is my point of view.

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>
>>> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working
>>> as a salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)
>
>> Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter
>> Audio were so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have
>> been serious about it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to
>> agree. ;-)
>
> Of course that's why you went into the computer business, despite your
> claims of audio fame regarding the invention of ABX*.

> Figures.

Never played Miton Bradley's Game Of Life, eh Sander?

I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points in three
areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically mutually exclusive. ABX
brought me fame.


> * which we all know was developed by D. Carlstrom.

That would be news to Dave.

[Sander deWaal]

"Arny Krueger" > said:

>"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>
>>>> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working
>>>> as a salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)
>>
>>> Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter
>>> Audio were so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have
>>> been serious about it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to
>>> agree. ;-)
>>
>> Of course that's why you went into the computer business, despite your
>> claims of audio fame regarding the invention of ABX*.
>
>> Figures.
>
>Never played Miton Bradley's Game Of Life, eh Sander?

Can't say that I have, no.
Life is, like audio, a dead-serious business Arnold. ;-)

>I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points in three
>areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically mutually exclusive. ABX
>brought me fame.

Are they really mutually exclusive?
I'm glad to have married a wonderful wife, then, and be happy to have
failed in the fame and fortune department ;-)

BTW does wour wife concur?

>> * which we all know was developed by D. Carlstrom.

>That would be news to Dave.

Why don't we ask him at the next SWMWTMS meeting, Arnold?
We can all have a good laugh! ;-)

--
Sander de Waal
" SOA of a KT88? Sufficient. "

[Arny Krueger]

"François Yves Le Gal" > wrote in message

> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places
>
> Banned in all of the 7-Eleven's of Georgia, sure. And sold under a
> brown wrapper elsewhere.

LOL!

[Arny Krueger]

"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>
>> "Sander deWaal" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>>
>>>>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>>
>>>>> Singh has tried to make a living out of audio when he was working
>>>>> as a salesdroid... Not with Jupiter Audio. ;-)
>>>
>>>> Lionel, if you're saying that Singh's efforts related to Jupiter
>>>> Audio were so poorly-founded and half-witted that he couldn't have
>>>> been serious about it being adequately profitable, I'm obliged to
>>>> agree. ;-)
>>>
>>> Of course that's why you went into the computer business, despite
>>> your claims of audio fame regarding the invention of ABX*.
>>
>>> Figures.
>>
>> Never played Miton Bradley's Game Of Life, eh Sander?

> Can't say that I have, no.

> Life is, like audio, a dead-serious business Arnold. ;-)

Ed Shain and his investors got a practical lesson in that, didn't they?

>> I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points
>> in three areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically
>> mutually exclusive. ABX brought me fame.

> Are they really mutually exclusive?

So the story goes...

> I'm glad to have married a wonderful wife, then, and be happy to have
> failed in the fame and fortune department ;-)

I'm very pleased with the combination of fame and love in my life.

> BTW does your wife concur?

She tries to keep up the love end of the balance.

>>> * which we all know was developed by D. Carlstrom.

>> That would be news to Dave.

> Why don't we ask him at the next SWMWTMS meeting, Arnold?

See you there!

> We can all have a good laugh! ;-)

Indeed.

[Clyde Slick]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...

>
> I do have to wonder about the wisdom of naming a speaker Subterfuge
> though. Why not just name it Deceptive?

McKelvy already trademarked it.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

>
> Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX test. A
> mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio for the past
> decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places.

Only because Arny was parading around in his underwear.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
>
> I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points in
> three areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically mutually
> exclusive. ABX brought me fame.
>
>

Arny, there are about twenty regulars here who know you.
Did Ferstler wrtie an entry for Krueger for his encyclopedia
of recorded sound?

[Arny Krueger]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points
>> in three areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically mutually
>> exclusive. ABX brought me fame.
>>
>>
>
> Arny, there are about twenty regulars here who know you.
> Did Ferstler wrtie an entry for Krueger for his encyclopedia
> of recorded sound?

I didn't know that Ferstler knew how to writie.

[Clyde Slick]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
>
>> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>>
>>> I'll summarize it quickly. In this game you try to accumlate points
>>> in three areas - love, fame, or fortune. They are basically mutually
>>> exclusive. ABX brought me fame.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Arny, there are about twenty regulars here who know you.
>> Did Ferstler wrtie an entry for Krueger for his encyclopedia
>> of recorded sound?
>
> I didn't know that Ferstler knew how to writie.

It seems that you don't even know how to writie wrtie.
Ain't I writtey!

[Michael McKelvy]

"Clyde Slick" > wrote in message
...
>
> "dave weil" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>
>> I do have to wonder about the wisdom of naming a speaker Subterfuge
>> though. Why not just name it Deceptive?
>
> McKelvy already trademarked it.
Unwarranted, unprovoked, personal attack noted.

FWIW, I never built a 10" subwoofer and have no interest in doing so.
My speakers had $100.00 midbass drivers and $50.00 tweeters and sold for
$1050.00 factory direct.

Greg use $28.00 woofers and $17.00 tweeters and sold for approx. $1000.00
IIRC.

Mine were designed using LEAP and so were Greg's, the difference being I
owned the software suite, while he paid $40.00 for Madisound to generate one
for him.

My goal was to take the finest drivers available and put together a system
that could generate a profit and be an excellent value for the money. Greg
seems to have chosen to get the cheapest drivers he could get away with,
farm out the job of creating a workable xover, and selling a musical
doorstop.

Even Zip said they were good down to 50 Hz and the review that was published
here was done by a reviewer whose reference was Joseph Audio speakers.

[Michael McKelvy]

"dave weil" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 14:58:24 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>"Sander deWaal" > wrote in message

>>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>>
>>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>>> subwoofers.
>>>
>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>>
>>> What have you done, Arnold?
>>
>>Merely built the first ABX Comparator and performed the first ABX test. A
>>mere trifle that created the most-discussed topic in audio for the past
>>decade. One that is so compelling that it is banned in many places.
>
> Hmmmm, that's funny. Where are these "many" places?
>
> And I think that abx pales to the analog vs. digital debate. Of
> course, that' sjust my opinion, not a fake fact like Arnold proposes.

There is no debate digital is vastly superior on every level of performance.
The only problem is that not every title available on LP is available on CD.

Technical comparisons show that LP is junk.

[JBorg]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "JBorg" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>
>>
>>> Follow the links and you find that Singh has made 17 total sales.
>>> Since only about 30% of his current ad covers his speakers, we can
>>> presume that he's sold maybe 5 pairs of speakers or individual
>>> subwoofers.
>>
>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>
>>
>> What have you done, Arnold?
>
>
> Merely built the first Skull compactor and performed the first test on myself. A
> mere trifle yet made me the most-abominable person in audio for the past decade.
> One that is so disgusting that I'm banned in so many places. ;-)


Okey.

[JBorg]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "JBorg" > wrote in message
>>
>>> "Arny Krueger" > said:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>> "At least" Singh has tried to make a living out of audio.
>>
>>>> What have you done, Arnold?
>>
>>> Merely built the first Skull compactor and performed the first test on myself.
>>> A mere trifle yet made me the most-abominable person in audio for the past
>>> decade. One that is so disgusting that I'm banned in so many places. ;-)
>>
>>
>> For a moment there I thought you designed the first Mind Cooker apparatus .
>
> Once again Sander, you've confirm that I'm a madly blustering idiot with no
> discernable sign of intellect.
>> Oh well, never mind.
>
> Feel free to bring it up again. ;-)


Why not!

[Joseph Oberlander]

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>
> Gerg eats what pride he has left, and tells it like it is:
>
> Jupiter Audio Ganymede 3 way speaker in blk. oak
> This is an ad for a demo pair of Jupiter Audio Ganymedes in black
> lacquered oak finish.This pair has approximately 300 hrs. of use and
> are fully broken
> Price: $1125.00

I always thought his name choice for the subwoofer was
hilarious and somehow fitting.