* Turtle Beach Santa Cruz... what is this card?

[W. Forsk]

A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
come and ask here.

How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

[Phil Wilson]

Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
eyes/ears:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
--
Phil Wilson

"W. Forsk" > wrote in message
...
>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>

[Phil Wilson]

Here are Arny's tests. It doesn't look quite that bad to my untrained
eyes/ears:
http://www.pcavtech.com/soundcards/compare/index.htm
--
Phil Wilson

"W. Forsk" > wrote in message
...
>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>

[Laurence Payne]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" >
wrote:

>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

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[Laurence Payne]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" >
wrote:

>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>come and ask here.
>
>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>
>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.

It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
today, IMO.

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[Michael C. Monroe]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" >
> wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>>come and ask here.
>>
>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>>
>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
> Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
> solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
> GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.
>
> It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
> today, IMO.

I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

[Michael C. Monroe]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:15:27 -0400, "W. Forsk" >
> wrote:
>
>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card... but
>>he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it wouldn't hurt to
>>come and ask here.
>>
>>How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?
>>
>>And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
> Until recently it was perhaps the cheapest 2 (stereo) in, 2 out
> solution. Computer musicians will care that there are no ASIO or
> GSIF drivers, computer recordists may not.
>
> It would have to be offered at a VERY good price to be attractive
> today, IMO.

I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
sold for $40 at Amazon.com.

It also seems to be 16-bit.

Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

[Arny Krueger]

"W. Forsk" > wrote in message


> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
> card... but he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it
> wouldn't hurt to come and ask here.

> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

Very acceptable, but somewhat lower quality for a lot less money.

You can listen to straight-wire bypass tests of this card by downloading
files from http://www.pcabx.com/product/santa_cruz/index.htm .

> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.

[Arny Krueger]

"W. Forsk" > wrote in message


> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio
> card... but he's not someone I would take seriously, so I figured it
> wouldn't hurt to come and ask here.

> How does this card compare to Echo or M-Audio cards?

Very acceptable, but somewhat lower quality for a lot less money.

You can listen to straight-wire bypass tests of this card by downloading
files from http://www.pcabx.com/product/santa_cruz/index.htm .

> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

In some sense, perhaps.

Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
are only 2-in, 2-out.

[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:42:07 -0400, "Michael C. Monroe"
> wrote:

>
>I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
>sold for $40 at Amazon.com.
>
>It also seems to be 16-bit.
>
>Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

Don't forget it's 4-in, 4-out.

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[Laurence Payne]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 08:42:07 -0400, "Michael C. Monroe"
> wrote:

>
>I just did a quick search and found that a new Turtle Beach Santa Cruz last
>sold for $40 at Amazon.com.
>
>It also seems to be 16-bit.
>
>Seems like just another SoundBlaster to me.

Don't forget it's 4-in, 4-out.

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[Ben Bradley]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:39:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"W. Forsk" > wrote in message


>> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
>In some sense, perhaps.

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

>Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
>a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
>are only 2-in, 2-out.
>

-----
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[Ben Bradley]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 14:39:01 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>"W. Forsk" > wrote in message


>> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?
>
>In some sense, perhaps.

An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
with this card?

>Again, a the TBSC is a LOT less money than the other alternatives. Also, its
>a 4 analog-in, 4 analog-out card, while the low cost Echo and M-Audio cards
>are only 2-in, 2-out.
>

-----
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[TonyP]

"Ben Bradley" > wrote in message
...
> >> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

> An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
> it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
> with this card?

If your using Win XP, then no real problems for a couple more years at
least.

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"Ben Bradley" > wrote in message
...
> >> And aren't Turtle Beach cards severely outdated?

> An important, relevant question might be, can you get drivers for
> it for all the usual OS'es, and especially the OS you're going to use
> with this card?

If your using Win XP, then no real problems for a couple more years at
least.

TonyP.

[james of tucson]

On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk > wrote:
>
>

> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...

It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".

I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
and serious latency problems.

I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
power to avoid getting a Delta card...

[Geoff Wood]

"james of tucson" > wrote in message
atory.com...
> On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk > wrote:
>>
>>
>
>> A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...

The SC is the highest spec card (and most recent) that can carry a
WaveBlaster header synth such as the venerable Yammie DB50XG. That synth
just always works straight off , if you have a use for GM or XG midi backing
tracks.

geoff

[Codifus]

james of tucson wrote:

> On 2004-09-26, W. Forsk > wrote:
>
>>
>
>>A friend of mine recommended the Turtle Beach Santa Cruz audio card...
>
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>
>
It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
those 16 bits of data.

CD

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-10, Codifus > wrote:

> It's really a 16 bit card that uses 18 bits to more accurately produce
> those 16 bits of data.

$20. Notable for having four input channels, which is cool, and for
being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

It's a good card for a a gamer or a theare box, might even be one of the
better consumer cards in the price range.

[Drily Lit Raga]

james of tucson > wrote in
atory.com:

> $20. Notable ... for
> being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.

Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
they merged with Voyetra.

Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

[Geoff Wood]

"Drily Lit Raga" > wrote in message
9.11...
> james of tucson > wrote in
> atory.com:
>
>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right
> before
> they merged with Voyetra.
>
> Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
> reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
> the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
> needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

For those who don't know, Turtle Beach has the first "pro" quality
soundcards for general sale in PC land. First the Multisound , then the
Tahiti/Monterey, and then the Pinnacle/Fiji before sale to Voyetra.

Are you still in touch with Peter Haller - he's been at Sony (Sonic Foundry)
ever since TB.

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Drily Lit Raga" > wrote in message
9.11...
> james of tucson > wrote in
> atory.com:
>
>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right
> before
> they merged with Voyetra.
>
> Way back in the day (even before I worked there) I think they had a good
> reputation in the "developer community", though I'd have to imagine that
> the community itself has changed quite a bit. By this time all that's
> needed to implement a sound card is a chip maker's reference design, no?

For those who don't know, Turtle Beach has the first "pro" quality
soundcards for general sale in PC land. First the Multisound , then the
Tahiti/Monterey, and then the Pinnacle/Fiji before sale to Voyetra.

Are you still in touch with Peter Haller - he's been at Sony (Sonic Foundry)
ever since TB.

geoff

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-10, Drily Lit Raga > wrote:
>
>
> james of tucson > wrote in
> atory.com:
>
>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
> they merged with Voyetra.

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

But there's a lot I don't know about this stuff, so maybe I'm naieve.
Really happy with my Delta though :-)

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-10, Drily Lit Raga > wrote:
>
>
> james of tucson > wrote in
> atory.com:
>
>> $20. Notable ... for
>> being total *******s to the ALSA project, which is NOT cool.
>
> Don't know anything about this. I worked at TB briefly while they were
> introducing the Fiji and Pinnacle ISA cards ('94 time frame). Right before
> they merged with Voyetra.

Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
it replaced.

But there's a lot I don't know about this stuff, so maybe I'm naieve.
Really happy with my Delta though :-)

[Laurence Payne]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
> wrote:

>
>Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
>anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
>out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
>I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
>it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

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[Laurence Payne]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
> wrote:

>
>Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
>anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want to go
>out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a Delta card.
>I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the 2-channel card
>it replaced.

The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

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"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[Arny Krueger]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in
message
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to
>> buy anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want
>> to go out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a
>> Delta card. I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the
>> 2-channel card it replaced.
>
> The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
> Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
> But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

[Arny Krueger]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in
message
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:26:04 GMT, james of tucson
> > wrote:
>
>>
>> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
>> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to
>> buy anything other than a Delta card. It's almost as if people want
>> to go out of their way, to do whatever it takes to avoid buying a
>> Delta card. I think it's kind of funny. I love my 1010. I love the
>> 2-channel card it replaced.
>
> The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
> Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
> But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)

Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

[Laurence Payne]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>
>Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
>Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
>much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

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[Laurence Payne]

On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
wrote:

>
>Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in the
>Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its pretty
>much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.

Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

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[Arny Krueger]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in
message
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
> Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
> that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

At this time, I'm obliged to agree. At one time it was a lot more sonically
accurate than the extant versions of the Live!

[Arny Krueger]

"Laurence Payne" > wrote in
message
> On Thu, 11 Nov 2004 07:29:40 -0500, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
> Surely the only selling point of the Santa Cruz is the 4 inputs. If
> that's what you want, there's little competition in that price range.

At this time, I'm obliged to agree. At one time it was a lot more sonically
accurate than the extant versions of the Live!

[Mike Rivers]

In article .com> writes:

> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
> anything other than a Delta card.

Oh, OK. I'll sell my Lynx L22.


--
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article .com> writes:

> Hey, I didn't mean to cast aspersions on how anyone makes his living.
> I'm just expressing my bewilderment that, today, anybody bothers to buy
> anything other than a Delta card.

Oh, OK. I'll sell my Lynx L22.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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[normanstrong]

"Lynn Gweeny" > wrote in message
news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
> > I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
their
> > power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>
> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
audio
> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
Tom's
> Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before
it
> becomes mainstream.

Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
Etc. etc.

I couldn't find a reference to it.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

[normanstrong]

"Lynn Gweeny" > wrote in message
news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
> > I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
their
> > power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>
> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
audio
> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
Tom's
> Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that before
it
> becomes mainstream.

Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
Etc. etc.

I couldn't find a reference to it.

Thanks,

Norm Strong

[Geoff Wood]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in
> the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its
> pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message

> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems in
> the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30 and its
> pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.


Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

geoff

[Arny Krueger]

"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
>
> Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

I don't think so - just did it righter this time.

The Santa Cruz always resampled to 48 KHz, as well.

[Arny Krueger]

"Geoff Wood" -nospam> wrote in message

> "Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
>
>> Ironically, Creative has fixed up the important record/play problems
>> in the Live!, in the latest versions. I picked one up for about $30
>> and its pretty much the equal or superior of the Santa Cruz.
>
>
> Did thy do away witht he compulsory internal 48K reasampling stage ?

I don't think so - just did it righter this time.

The Santa Cruz always resampled to 48 KHz, as well.

[Arny Krueger]

"normanstrong" > wrote in message
news:DVNkd.600915$8_6.395883@attbi_s04
> "Lynn Gweeny" > wrote in message
> news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
>>> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
> their
>>> power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>>
>> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
> audio
>> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
>> Tom's Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that
>> before it becomes mainstream.
>
> Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
> fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
> Etc. etc.

> I couldn't find a reference to it.

"Delta card" would no doubt be reference to M-Audio's Delta series of audio
interfaces. They range from the audiophile 24/96 to the Delta 1010. There is
at least one that doesn't fit entirely in a standard desktop case, and a
bunch that do. At least two have real mic inputs.

[Arny Krueger]

"normanstrong" > wrote in message
news:DVNkd.600915$8_6.395883@attbi_s04
> "Lynn Gweeny" > wrote in message
> news:1100189713.SyKbbx5G1FpMIVzOe+lHKg@bubbanews.. .
>>> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in
> their
>>> power to avoid getting a Delta card...
>>
>> They've probably never heard of a Delta card unless they are an
> audio
>> geek. Popular review sites like X-bit Labs, [H]ardOCP, Anandtech,
>> Tom's Hardware and others are going to have review a card like that
>> before it becomes mainstream.
>
> Why not tell us about the Delta card. How much does it cost? Does it
> fit entirely inside the computer case? Does it have mike inputs?
> Etc. etc.

> I couldn't find a reference to it.

"Delta card" would no doubt be reference to M-Audio's Delta series of audio
interfaces. They range from the audiophile 24/96 to the Delta 1010. There is
at least one that doesn't fit entirely in a standard desktop case, and a
bunch that do. At least two have real mic inputs.

[Kurt Albershardt]

james of tucson wrote:
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...


What is this love fest with Deltas?

[Kurt Albershardt]

james of tucson wrote:
>
> It's an 18 bit card that you can probably get for $20. I sure as hell
> wouldn't pay more than that. It's a good consumer card. Just "good".
>
> I have one that I could never use, no ASIO driver (except ASIO4ALL),
> and serious latency problems.
>
> I don't understand why so many people try to do everything in their
> power to avoid getting a Delta card...


What is this love fest with Deltas?

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:

> What is this love fest with Deltas?

How could you not love them?

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:

> What is this love fest with Deltas?

How could you not love them?

[Geoff Wood]

"james of tucson" > wrote in message
atory.com...
> On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:
>
>> What is this love fest with Deltas?
>
> How could you not love them?

Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
to sound like and insecurity complex.

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"james of tucson" > wrote in message
atory.com...
> On 2004-11-13, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:
>
>> What is this love fest with Deltas?
>
> How could you not love them?

Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
to sound like and insecurity complex.

geoff

[Mike Rivers]

In article .com> writes:

> > What is this love fest with Deltas?

> How could you not love them?

Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
from M-Audio. That's not to love if you're having problems (and
believe it or not, some people actualy DO have problems getting Delta
cards to work).



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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article .com> writes:

> > What is this love fest with Deltas?

> How could you not love them?

Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
from M-Audio. That's not to love if you're having problems (and
believe it or not, some people actualy DO have problems getting Delta
cards to work).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-14, Geoff Wood -nospam> wrote:

> Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
> to sound like and insecurity complex.

I have a perception that people are looking high and low for a
reasonably priced, really good sound card, and they somehow seem
to miss Delta. I'm not suggesting that they are the only card out
there, but for certain combinations of requirements and budget,
they really are the best choice. And every time the subject comes up,
it seems that nobody has ever heard of them.

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-14, Geoff Wood -nospam> wrote:

> Dunno, but when someone gets so 'exclusive' about one sound card it starts
> to sound like and insecurity complex.

I have a perception that people are looking high and low for a
reasonably priced, really good sound card, and they somehow seem
to miss Delta. I'm not suggesting that they are the only card out
there, but for certain combinations of requirements and budget,
they really are the best choice. And every time the subject comes up,
it seems that nobody has ever heard of them.

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:

> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> from M-Audio.

Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.

[james of tucson]

On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:

> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> from M-Audio.

Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.

[Geoff Wood]

"james of tucson" > wrote in message
atory.com...
> On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
>> from M-Audio.
>
> Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.


Not much help is your audio isn't working right.

An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
problems he got rid of them.

So milages do vary....

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"james of tucson" > wrote in message
atory.com...
> On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
>> from M-Audio.
>
> Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.


Not much help is your audio isn't working right.

An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
problems he got rid of them.

So milages do vary....

geoff

[Michael]

In article >, -
nospam says...
>
> "james of tucson" > wrote in message
> atory.com...
> > On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> >
> >> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> >> from M-Audio.
> >
> > Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.
>
>
> Not much help is your audio isn't working right.
>
> An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
> problems he got rid of them.
>
> So milages do vary....

Yep. We got a couple of 1010s and in order to get them to play
nicely together, we have to clock them externally with a decent
clock (using the one in a MOTU MIDI device; not great, but not bad
either). There was some history of problems using more than one
card a while back.
---Michael (of APP)...

[Michael]

In article >, -
nospam says...
>
> "james of tucson" > wrote in message
> atory.com...
> > On 2004-11-14, Mike Rivers > wrote:
> >
> >> Lately, apparently there's been some "issues" with technical support
> >> from M-Audio.
> >
> > Fair enough. I built my music workstation around Audio, not vice versa.
>
>
> Not much help is your audio isn't working right.
>
> An acquaintance of mine bought TWO Delta 1010s and ended up with so many
> problems he got rid of them.
>
> So milages do vary....

Yep. We got a couple of 1010s and in order to get them to play
nicely together, we have to clock them externally with a decent
clock (using the one in a MOTU MIDI device; not great, but not bad
either). There was some history of problems using more than one
card a while back.
---Michael (of APP)...

[John F]

> The ones I love are those who've set their heart on a top-range
> Audigy. They come in here for confirmation and get told the truth.
> But you just KNOW they're going to buy it anyway :-)
>
heh heh, was kinda lookin at em myself. What is the truth please? Thanks