Looking for an old thread

[spamandeggs]

My friend has started a sound engineering course at college. Well i
remember reading a thread in this group advising some young fella
about the perils/tribulations of entering this business. The advice
given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
first, speak later...'. Can someone post a link to that thread please.
That thread has everything i would like to say to him. I want to print
it out and give it to him. Cheers.

[Don Cooper]

spamandeggs wrote:

> The advice
> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
> first, speak later...'.


Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".

[Don Cooper]

spamandeggs wrote:

> The advice
> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
> first, speak later...'.


Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".

[Don Cooper]

spamandeggs wrote:

> The advice
> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
> first, speak later...'.


Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".

[Don Cooper]

Maybe this one?

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C2E8244.E6253947%40mercenary.com&output=gplain>

[Don Cooper]

Maybe this one?

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C2E8244.E6253947%40mercenary.com&output=gplain>

[Don Cooper]

Maybe this one?

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C2E8244.E6253947%40mercenary.com&output=gplain>

[spamandeggs]

Don Cooper > wrote in message >...
> Maybe this one?
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C2E8244.E6253947%40mercenary.com&output=gplain>
Yes thats the one thanks. You got the thread?

[spamandeggs]

Don Cooper > wrote in message >...
> Maybe this one?
>
> <http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=3C2E8244.E6253947%40mercenary.com&output=gplain>
Yes thats the one thanks. You got the thread?

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:48:10 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> spamandeggs wrote:
>
>> The advice
>> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
>> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
>> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
>> first, speak later...'.
>
>
> Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".

It was, as I recall, and I was a close second. Shut up and listen. Soak it up
like a sponge and when you do ask questions, ask them from a non-critical
perspective. At that stage, it's better to nod quietly than to mention that
the offerer of the information is an idiot, even though that's what you may
think. Days, weeks or months later, you might realize that what your were
told suddenly makes perfect sense.

There's so much to learn and so much to unlearn. Some or more of what you
think you know now may be total crap. Not every thing you'll be told will be
correct, however, try to distill out of every experience some useful
information.

When you ask someone why something is a certain way, be aware that they might
not really be able to answer the question correctly or at all, although they
know it works.

If I'm not learning or reconfirming something at every session, I'm not doing
it right. About five years ago I realized that I had been around long enough
to forget that I knew something I knew, and had the pleasant experience of
relearning it from a more informed perspective.

It was the use of omni mics on acoustic guitars. Back in the 70's, when I
was just getting my first mics, I had a beyer m101 omni dynamic. I used to
record my 12-string acoustic with it. Because it was an omni, I could pretty
much shove it right into the soundhole.

Years later, when I actually understood the physics behind why that was
possible, I was reviewing the Rode Classic. I found this great setting one
click off of omni and shoved right into the soundhole.

"Hmm, no ****! This is a great application", I thought. Then later I
remembered that I had had the same experience with the M101 beyer. I had
learned that something worked, but it took me THAT long to come back around
to the experience with the understanding of WHY it worked.

I'm guessing it's that way for a lot of us. I'd look forward to hearing (well
reading) other anecdotes from other contributors to this newsgroup.

Regards,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:48:10 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> spamandeggs wrote:
>
>> The advice
>> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
>> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
>> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
>> first, speak later...'.
>
>
> Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".

It was, as I recall, and I was a close second. Shut up and listen. Soak it up
like a sponge and when you do ask questions, ask them from a non-critical
perspective. At that stage, it's better to nod quietly than to mention that
the offerer of the information is an idiot, even though that's what you may
think. Days, weeks or months later, you might realize that what your were
told suddenly makes perfect sense.

There's so much to learn and so much to unlearn. Some or more of what you
think you know now may be total crap. Not every thing you'll be told will be
correct, however, try to distill out of every experience some useful
information.

When you ask someone why something is a certain way, be aware that they might
not really be able to answer the question correctly or at all, although they
know it works.

If I'm not learning or reconfirming something at every session, I'm not doing
it right. About five years ago I realized that I had been around long enough
to forget that I knew something I knew, and had the pleasant experience of
relearning it from a more informed perspective.

It was the use of omni mics on acoustic guitars. Back in the 70's, when I
was just getting my first mics, I had a beyer m101 omni dynamic. I used to
record my 12-string acoustic with it. Because it was an omni, I could pretty
much shove it right into the soundhole.

Years later, when I actually understood the physics behind why that was
possible, I was reviewing the Rode Classic. I found this great setting one
click off of omni and shoved right into the soundhole.

"Hmm, no ****! This is a great application", I thought. Then later I
remembered that I had had the same experience with the M101 beyer. I had
learned that something worked, but it took me THAT long to come back around
to the experience with the understanding of WHY it worked.

I'm guessing it's that way for a lot of us. I'd look forward to hearing (well
reading) other anecdotes from other contributors to this newsgroup.

Regards,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[George]

In article >,
Ty Ford > wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:48:10 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
> (in article >):
>
> >
> >
> > spamandeggs wrote:
> >
> >> The advice
> >> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
> >> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
> >> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
> >> first, speak later...'.
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".
>
> It was, as I recall, and I was a close second. Shut up and listen. Soak it up
> like a sponge and when you do ask questions, ask them from a non-critical
> perspective. At that stage, it's better to nod quietly than to mention that
> the offerer of the information is an idiot, even though that's what you may
> think. Days, weeks or months later, you might realize that what your were
> told suddenly makes perfect sense.
>
> There's so much to learn and so much to unlearn. Some or more of what you
> think you know now may be total crap. Not every thing you'll be told will be
> correct, however, try to distill out of every experience some useful
> information.
>
> When you ask someone why something is a certain way, be aware that they might
> not really be able to answer the question correctly or at all, although they
> know it works.
>
> If I'm not learning or reconfirming something at every session, I'm not doing
> it right. About five years ago I realized that I had been around long enough
> to forget that I knew something I knew, and had the pleasant experience of
> relearning it from a more informed perspective.
>
> It was the use of omni mics on acoustic guitars. Back in the 70's, when I
> was just getting my first mics, I had a beyer m101 omni dynamic. I used to
> record my 12-string acoustic with it. Because it was an omni, I could pretty
> much shove it right into the soundhole.
>
> Years later, when I actually understood the physics behind why that was
> possible, I was reviewing the Rode Classic. I found this great setting one
> click off of omni and shoved right into the soundhole.
>
> "Hmm, no ****! This is a great application", I thought. Then later I
> remembered that I had had the same experience with the M101 beyer. I had
> learned that something worked, but it took me THAT long to come back around
> to the experience with the understanding of WHY it worked.
>
> I'm guessing it's that way for a lot of us. I'd look forward to hearing (well
> reading) other anecdotes from other contributors to this newsgroup.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
what I am learning is that you will get to a point where your skills
exceed your gear lust and find you can"Often, not Always" get the
results you were going for with some VERY affordable gear
that you can't rent a 1600.00 wireless to a seminar for any more than
you can rent a 300$ wireless
the diffrence is with the 300$ unit you are making money
unless you regulary use 52 channels you really don't need a 52 ch desk
buy a couple of 16s and a 32

nobody (in a live setting) is going to refuse a 58 and if you cn't make
acceptable vox thru a 58 you should re-evaluate your line of work

People buy you and your abilities not your gear manifest
George

[George]

In article >,
Ty Ford > wrote:

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 20:48:10 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
> (in article >):
>
> >
> >
> > spamandeggs wrote:
> >
> >> The advice
> >> given was a blunt run down of how things are, the poster said he's not
> >> interested in 'how much you might have spent on your home gear' or
> >> 'what qualifications you have' to get into this business, you 'listen
> >> first, speak later...'.
> >
> >
> > Sounds like the author may have been Craig Fletcher, AKA "Fletcher".
>
> It was, as I recall, and I was a close second. Shut up and listen. Soak it up
> like a sponge and when you do ask questions, ask them from a non-critical
> perspective. At that stage, it's better to nod quietly than to mention that
> the offerer of the information is an idiot, even though that's what you may
> think. Days, weeks or months later, you might realize that what your were
> told suddenly makes perfect sense.
>
> There's so much to learn and so much to unlearn. Some or more of what you
> think you know now may be total crap. Not every thing you'll be told will be
> correct, however, try to distill out of every experience some useful
> information.
>
> When you ask someone why something is a certain way, be aware that they might
> not really be able to answer the question correctly or at all, although they
> know it works.
>
> If I'm not learning or reconfirming something at every session, I'm not doing
> it right. About five years ago I realized that I had been around long enough
> to forget that I knew something I knew, and had the pleasant experience of
> relearning it from a more informed perspective.
>
> It was the use of omni mics on acoustic guitars. Back in the 70's, when I
> was just getting my first mics, I had a beyer m101 omni dynamic. I used to
> record my 12-string acoustic with it. Because it was an omni, I could pretty
> much shove it right into the soundhole.
>
> Years later, when I actually understood the physics behind why that was
> possible, I was reviewing the Rode Classic. I found this great setting one
> click off of omni and shoved right into the soundhole.
>
> "Hmm, no ****! This is a great application", I thought. Then later I
> remembered that I had had the same experience with the M101 beyer. I had
> learned that something worked, but it took me THAT long to come back around
> to the experience with the understanding of WHY it worked.
>
> I'm guessing it's that way for a lot of us. I'd look forward to hearing (well
> reading) other anecdotes from other contributors to this newsgroup.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford
>
what I am learning is that you will get to a point where your skills
exceed your gear lust and find you can"Often, not Always" get the
results you were going for with some VERY affordable gear
that you can't rent a 1600.00 wireless to a seminar for any more than
you can rent a 300$ wireless
the diffrence is with the 300$ unit you are making money
unless you regulary use 52 channels you really don't need a 52 ch desk
buy a couple of 16s and a 32

nobody (in a live setting) is going to refuse a 58 and if you cn't make
acceptable vox thru a 58 you should re-evaluate your line of work

People buy you and your abilities not your gear manifest
George

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> It was, as I recall, and I was a close second.


But first in modesty.

: )

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> It was, as I recall, and I was a close second.


But first in modesty.

: )

[Don Cooper]

spamandeggs wrote:

> Yes thats the one thanks. You got the thread?


If you google it under some key words, and that date, you will find it.

That's what I did.

[Don Cooper]

spamandeggs wrote:

> Yes thats the one thanks. You got the thread?


If you google it under some key words, and that date, you will find it.

That's what I did.