Dimmers

[Patrick Dunford]

Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.

The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.

Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
problems?

[El Penguino]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:

>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.

But, since most homes only have one phase , domestic users hook all
their dimmers on different rings or spurs or whatever sparkies call
the individual circuits. As in, a different spur to the stereo.

El P.

[El Penguino]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:

>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.

But, since most homes only have one phase , domestic users hook all
their dimmers on different rings or spurs or whatever sparkies call
the individual circuits. As in, a different spur to the stereo.

El P.

[El Penguino]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:

>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.

But, since most homes only have one phase , domestic users hook all
their dimmers on different rings or spurs or whatever sparkies call
the individual circuits. As in, a different spur to the stereo.

El P.

[George]

In article >,
Patrick Dunford > wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

three hots into the dimmer
and you only have two legs coming from the distro
if it is one dimmer opwer it all off one leg
if it is multi dimmers power I half off one leg and the other half off
the other
just use a service and cableing adaquate for the job

most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
sound and lights with independent disconnects

I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
20 amp120v/ph
I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
if I can not get the power I have two option
1 down size lighting rig
2 limit the draw by restricting the maximum brightness of the
lamps(easily done with a trimmer on my control desk)
george

[George]

In article >,
Patrick Dunford > wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

three hots into the dimmer
and you only have two legs coming from the distro
if it is one dimmer opwer it all off one leg
if it is multi dimmers power I half off one leg and the other half off
the other
just use a service and cableing adaquate for the job

most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
sound and lights with independent disconnects

I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
20 amp120v/ph
I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
if I can not get the power I have two option
1 down size lighting rig
2 limit the draw by restricting the maximum brightness of the
lamps(easily done with a trimmer on my control desk)
george

[George]

In article >,
Patrick Dunford > wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

three hots into the dimmer
and you only have two legs coming from the distro
if it is one dimmer opwer it all off one leg
if it is multi dimmers power I half off one leg and the other half off
the other
just use a service and cableing adaquate for the job

most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
sound and lights with independent disconnects

I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
20 amp120v/ph
I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
if I can not get the power I have two option
1 down size lighting rig
2 limit the draw by restricting the maximum brightness of the
lamps(easily done with a trimmer on my control desk)
george

[Dan Mills]

George wrote:

<Snip>

> most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> sound and lights with independent disconnects
>
> I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> 20 amp120v/ph
> I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase

Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
will need to be.

The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
considering doing this.

Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).
--
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And on the evening of the first day the lord said...........
..... LX 1, GO!; and there was light.

[Dan Mills]

George wrote:

<Snip>

> most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> sound and lights with independent disconnects
>
> I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> 20 amp120v/ph
> I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase

Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
will need to be.

The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
considering doing this.

Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).
--
** The email address *IS* valid, do NOT remove the spamblock
And on the evening of the first day the lord said...........
..... LX 1, GO!; and there was light.

[Dan Mills]

George wrote:

<Snip>

> most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> sound and lights with independent disconnects
>
> I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> 20 amp120v/ph
> I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase

Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
will need to be.

The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
considering doing this.

Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).
--
** The email address *IS* valid, do NOT remove the spamblock
And on the evening of the first day the lord said...........
..... LX 1, GO!; and there was light.

[George]

In article >,
Dan Mills > wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> > most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> > sound and lights with independent disconnects
> >
> > I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> > 20 amp120v/ph
> > I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> > all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> > to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
>
> Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
> will need to be.

yes 4 guage free air conductors and the ground is 2
i also have a real disto that runs 2/0 on the same sized camlocs
>
> The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
> by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
> well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
> phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

this I was not aware of , thanks
>
> Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
> considering doing this.
>
> Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).

[George]

In article >,
Dan Mills > wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> > most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> > sound and lights with independent disconnects
> >
> > I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> > 20 amp120v/ph
> > I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> > all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> > to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
>
> Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
> will need to be.

yes 4 guage free air conductors and the ground is 2
i also have a real disto that runs 2/0 on the same sized camlocs
>
> The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
> by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
> well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
> phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

this I was not aware of , thanks
>
> Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
> considering doing this.
>
> Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).

[George]

In article >,
Dan Mills > wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> <Snip>
>
> > most venues that use lots of portable systems have seperate services for
> > sound and lights with independent disconnects
> >
> > I just bought the behringer dimmer that was set up for 3 phase
> > 20 amp120v/ph
> > I hard wired it to three single breakers in a disconnect(breaker box)
> > all on the same phase this disconnect connects with tails and camlocs
> > to a mains(at venue) that can supply at least 60 amps/phase
>
> Is the neutral from the dimmer rated for 60A? If running single phase it
> will need to be.

yes 4 guage free air conductors and the ground is 2
i also have a real disto that runs 2/0 on the same sized camlocs
>
> The other thing to watch is that RMS/AVERAGE thing when reducing power draw
> by turning down at the desk. Ohh and this applies to three phase loads as
> well as it is quite possible for the neutral current to exceed any given
> phase current due to third harmonic summing in the neutral.

this I was not aware of , thanks
>
> Just a heads up about some of the details that may not be obvious to people
> considering doing this.
>
> Regards, Dan (who is profoundly glad that he is in a 230/400V country).

[Dale Farmer]

Patrick Dunford wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

Most of those sound system manuals are misusing the word phase.
What they were trying to stop with that advice is ground loops that
allow the hash and trash generated by dimmers to enter the signal
paths.
The sound system should be on a separate power panel than
the dimmers, and they both should have large friendly ground
conductors connected to a good building grounding system.

--Dale

[Dale Farmer]

Patrick Dunford wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

Most of those sound system manuals are misusing the word phase.
What they were trying to stop with that advice is ground loops that
allow the hash and trash generated by dimmers to enter the signal
paths.
The sound system should be on a separate power panel than
the dimmers, and they both should have large friendly ground
conductors connected to a good building grounding system.

--Dale

[Dale Farmer]

Patrick Dunford wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

Most of those sound system manuals are misusing the word phase.
What they were trying to stop with that advice is ground loops that
allow the hash and trash generated by dimmers to enter the signal
paths.
The sound system should be on a separate power panel than
the dimmers, and they both should have large friendly ground
conductors connected to a good building grounding system.

--Dale

[Scott Dorsey]

Patrick Dunford > wrote:
>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
>Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
>problems?

1. Don't use dimmers at all.

2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.

3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of noise
filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
main service.

4. Use an ancient autotransformer board.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Patrick Dunford > wrote:
>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
>Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
>problems?

1. Don't use dimmers at all.

2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.

3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of noise
filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
main service.

4. Use an ancient autotransformer board.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey"
> Patrick Dunford
> >
> >Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> >dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> >Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> >problems?
>
>
> 1. Don't use dimmers at all.
>

** Dorsey is as clueless as ever.


> 2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.


** Won't help when ground system noise is the issue.

>
> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of
noise
> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from
the
> main service.
>

** Dorsey has not got a clue.


> 4. Use an ancient autotransformer board.


** That is no damn board - that is a room full of motorised hardware
that went out with Noah's Arc.


The real answer is to make sure your PA system is genuinely earth loop hum
free - then it will be dimmer buzz fee to in all probability too.

However, electric guitars, keyboards, amps and other items of stage gear
are the NUMBER ONE culprits for picking up dimmer buzz - and there is
SFA **you** can do about them.




............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey"
> Patrick Dunford
> >
> >Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> >dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> >Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> >problems?
>
>
> 1. Don't use dimmers at all.
>

** Dorsey is as clueless as ever.


> 2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.


** Won't help when ground system noise is the issue.

>
> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of
noise
> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from
the
> main service.
>

** Dorsey has not got a clue.


> 4. Use an ancient autotransformer board.


** That is no damn board - that is a room full of motorised hardware
that went out with Noah's Arc.


The real answer is to make sure your PA system is genuinely earth loop hum
free - then it will be dimmer buzz fee to in all probability too.

However, electric guitars, keyboards, amps and other items of stage gear
are the NUMBER ONE culprits for picking up dimmer buzz - and there is
SFA **you** can do about them.




............. Phil

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:

>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
>Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
>problems?

Lots of batteries? But seriously, how old is the room you'll be
working in? I've found, in our new (1995) theater that I can just
plug randomly into Edison wherever I want and not worry. About
that anyway.

There's nothing you can do about the dimmers, which is scary, but
there may not be any practical problems, which is cool.

RFI trapping at the input to electronics may still prove to be
audible, and is worth experimenting with, if only for peace of
mind. I play with clamp-on ferrite donuts on signal and power.

Good fortune,

Chris Hornbeck

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:

>Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
>dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
>The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
>Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
>problems?

Lots of batteries? But seriously, how old is the room you'll be
working in? I've found, in our new (1995) theater that I can just
plug randomly into Edison wherever I want and not worry. About
that anyway.

There's nothing you can do about the dimmers, which is scary, but
there may not be any practical problems, which is cool.

RFI trapping at the input to electronics may still prove to be
audible, and is worth experimenting with, if only for peace of
mind. I play with clamp-on ferrite donuts on signal and power.

Good fortune,

Chris Hornbeck

[richard]

Patrick Dunford wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from dimmers.

Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.

[richard]

Patrick Dunford wrote:

> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from dimmers.

Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.

[Patrick Dunford]

In article > in nz.tech on 25 Sep 2004
20:25:06 -0400, Scott Dorsey > says...
> Patrick Dunford > wrote:
> >Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> >dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
> >The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> >Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> >problems?
>
> 1. Don't use dimmers at all.
>
> 2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.
>
> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of noise
> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
> main service.

How does running your sound gear on isolation transformers go?

We don't get much noise now, except for using three channels where the
mains cables run too close to the audio lines.

[Patrick Dunford]

In article > in nz.tech on 25 Sep 2004
20:25:06 -0400, Scott Dorsey > says...
> Patrick Dunford > wrote:
> >Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> >dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
> >The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> >Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> >problems?
>
> 1. Don't use dimmers at all.
>
> 2. Get a separate service from the dimmers.
>
> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of noise
> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
> main service.

How does running your sound gear on isolation transformers go?

We don't get much noise now, except for using three channels where the
mains cables run too close to the audio lines.

[Scott Dorsey]

richard > wrote:
>The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from dimmers.

>Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.

For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power line
as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a good
idea.

Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops (yes,
I realize Phil doesn't believe in the Pin 1 problem, but there was a nice
paper at the last AES show on it that is worth looking up), you're going to
be using wireless mikes with poor front-ends that pick up RF trash directly,
and all-in-all, sooner or later you're going to have someone working in the
hall that will be in some situation where noise is an issue. So try and do
it right with the initial install.

Don't forget clearcom systems either....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

richard > wrote:
>The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from dimmers.

>Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.

For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power line
as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a good
idea.

Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops (yes,
I realize Phil doesn't believe in the Pin 1 problem, but there was a nice
paper at the last AES show on it that is worth looking up), you're going to
be using wireless mikes with poor front-ends that pick up RF trash directly,
and all-in-all, sooner or later you're going to have someone working in the
hall that will be in some situation where noise is an issue. So try and do
it right with the initial install.

Don't forget clearcom systems either....
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Patrick Dunford > wrote:
>
>How does running your sound gear on isolation transformers go?

It allows you to break connection between your grounding system and the
building grounding system. It gives you some degree of low-pass filtering
on the power line.

But, it does nothing about the RF trash that is radiating from the building
power system and from the lighting cables. RF trash that floats through the
air and couples into audio gear, even though it's not coming into the audio
gear through the power line.

>We don't get much noise now, except for using three channels where the
>mains cables run too close to the audio lines.

Well, move them and stop worrying so much. If you don't have noise problems,
don't worry about noise. If you have noise problems, find out what specific
problems they are and fix them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Patrick Dunford > wrote:
>
>How does running your sound gear on isolation transformers go?

It allows you to break connection between your grounding system and the
building grounding system. It gives you some degree of low-pass filtering
on the power line.

But, it does nothing about the RF trash that is radiating from the building
power system and from the lighting cables. RF trash that floats through the
air and couples into audio gear, even though it's not coming into the audio
gear through the power line.

>We don't get much noise now, except for using three channels where the
>mains cables run too close to the audio lines.

Well, move them and stop worrying so much. If you don't have noise problems,
don't worry about noise. If you have noise problems, find out what specific
problems they are and fix them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR

> richard

> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from
dimmers.
>
> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>
> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
line
> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
good
> idea.



** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
know ?????



> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
......


** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.


There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!




............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR

> richard

> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from
dimmers.
>
> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>
> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
line
> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
good
> idea.



** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
know ?????



> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
......


** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.


There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!




............. Phil

[Ty Ford]

Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.


Ty Ford








-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.


Ty Ford








-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Wayne]

>> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of
>noise
>> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
>> main service.
>
>
Back in the mid-late 60's, we built a new studio and had the buzzing and other
artifacts from the studio dimmers. We wound up placing the lighting on
isolation transformers to eliminate the interference with audio. I would hope
things have progressed further by now. Isolation was a little expensive.


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>> 3. Spend the money for expensive dimmer packs that have some degree of
>noise
>> filtering, then put them on a three-phase isolation transformer from the
>> main service.
>
>
Back in the mid-late 60's, we built a new studio and had the buzzing and other
artifacts from the studio dimmers. We wound up placing the lighting on
isolation transformers to eliminate the interference with audio. I would hope
things have progressed further by now. Isolation was a little expensive.


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Fuel]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> scribbled:

>
>"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
>
>> richard
>
>> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from
>dimmers.
>>
>> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>>
>> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
>line
>> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
>good
>> idea.
>
>
>
>** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
>know ?????
>
>
>
>> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
>.....
>
>
>** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
>
>
> There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!


For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.

[Fuel]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> scribbled:

>
>"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
>
>> richard
>
>> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup from
>dimmers.
>>
>> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>>
>> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
>line
>> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
>good
>> idea.
>
>
>
>** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
>know ?????
>
>
>
>> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
>.....
>
>
>** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
>
>
> There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!


For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.

[John Washburn]

"Ty Ford" wrote:
> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
having
> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy
logic.

It's better, but since it still appears in other people's quoted replies
it's like there's this weird echo which is even stranger and more insane
than the actual posts.

-jw

[John Washburn]

"Ty Ford" wrote:
> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
having
> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy
logic.

It's better, but since it still appears in other people's quoted replies
it's like there's this weird echo which is even stranger and more insane
than the actual posts.

-jw

[playon]

So you DO have a kill file????

Al

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:13:49 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
>killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.
>
>
>Ty Ford
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
>stuff are at www.tyford.com

[playon]

So you DO have a kill file????

Al

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 11:13:49 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
>killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.
>
>
>Ty Ford
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
>stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Phil Allison]

"Ty Ford"

> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
having
> killfiled the philbot.



** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

Typhoid has all the qualifications.




............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Ty Ford"

> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
having
> killfiled the philbot.



** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

Typhoid has all the qualifications.




............. Phil

[hank alrich]

playon wrote:

> So you DO have a kill file?

Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

playon wrote:

> So you DO have a kill file?

Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.

--
ha

[Pooh Bear]

Phil Allison wrote:

> ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

So that's everyone here judging by your usual comments ( assume including
liars, parrots et al ).


Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Phil Allison wrote:

> ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

So that's everyone here judging by your usual comments ( assume including
liars, parrots et al ).


Graham

[Phil Allison]

"Pooh Bear"
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.
>
> So that's everyone here ...



** Only the lowest usenet vermin use the killfile on someone and THEN go on
posting abuse of that person.





............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Pooh Bear"
>
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.
>
> So that's everyone here ...



** Only the lowest usenet vermin use the killfile on someone and THEN go on
posting abuse of that person.





............ Phil

[Tommy B]

Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
out.

Tom


"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> > scribbled:
>
> >
> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >
> >> richard
> >
> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
from
> >dimmers.
> >>
> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >>
> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
> >line
> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
> >good
> >> idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
> >know ?????
> >
> >
> >
> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
> >.....
> >
> >
> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >
> >
> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
>
>
> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
>

[Tommy B]

Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
out.

Tom


"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> > scribbled:
>
> >
> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >
> >> richard
> >
> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
from
> >dimmers.
> >>
> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >>
> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
> >line
> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
> >good
> >> idea.
> >
> >
> >
> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
> >know ?????
> >
> >
> >
> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
> >.....
> >
> >
> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >
> >
> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
>
>
> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
>

[Fuel]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
scribbled:

>Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
>Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
>out.

Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?

>
>Tom
>
>
>"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
>> > scribbled:
>>
>> >
>> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
>> >
>> >> richard
>> >
>> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
>from
>> >dimmers.
>> >>
>> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>> >>
>> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
>> >line
>> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
>> >good
>> >> idea.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
>> >know ?????
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
>> >.....
>> >
>> >
>> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
>> >
>> >
>> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
>>
>>
>> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
>>
>

[Fuel]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
scribbled:

>Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
>Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
>out.

Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?

>
>Tom
>
>
>"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
>> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
>> > scribbled:
>>
>> >
>> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
>> >
>> >> richard
>> >
>> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
>from
>> >dimmers.
>> >>
>> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
>> >>
>> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
>> >line
>> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
>> >good
>> >> idea.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
>> >know ?????
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
>> >.....
>> >
>> >
>> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
>> >
>> >
>> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
>>
>>
>> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
>>
>

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> "Ty Ford" wrote:
> > Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
> having
> > killfiled the philbot.

> It's better, but since it still appears in other people's quoted replies

Also, all it takes is posting a message with his name in it and he'll
reply with an insulting remark.

Mark my words.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> "Ty Ford" wrote:
> > Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
> having
> > killfiled the philbot.

> It's better, but since it still appears in other people's quoted replies

Also, all it takes is posting a message with his name in it and he'll
reply with an insulting remark.

Mark my words.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:30:34 -0400, hank alrich wrote
(in article >):

> playon wrote:
>
>> So you DO have a kill file?
>
> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>
> --
> ha

Man, Hank, you have a real gift for visual speech. I really don't like having
to be in half-track (and that's NOT and audio reference) mode, but if that's
what it takes to clean out the barn, it's worth it.

I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty period
in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a **** hole.

Ty Ford

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:30:34 -0400, hank alrich wrote
(in article >):

> playon wrote:
>
>> So you DO have a kill file?
>
> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>
> --
> ha

Man, Hank, you have a real gift for visual speech. I really don't like having
to be in half-track (and that's NOT and audio reference) mode, but if that's
what it takes to clean out the barn, it's worth it.

I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty period
in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a **** hole.

Ty Ford

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:
> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

The manuals are talking about studio installs, whereas dimmer packs are
"luggable" in that context.

When I was doing theatre, they'd bring in 200+ channels of dimmers.
These would be wired direct very close to the service entrance with the
ground lead doubled, making a very robust earth connection.

The sound equipment would then be effectively "separate" . . a much
smaller load usually a service panel or two removed from the lighting.

The "dimmer problem" is most often encountered in a residential or
commercial space that's retrofitted into a studio. Residential dimmers
have to meet emmission standards sufficient for TV viewing, but they
don't stand up to critical listening.

If the power distribution is well-planned and the dimmers are of better
quality (variacs, hopefully), this is less of a problem.

[U-CDK_CHARLES\\Charles]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:53:19 +1200, Patrick Dunford
> wrote:
> Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
>
> The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
>
> Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the noise
> problems?

The manuals are talking about studio installs, whereas dimmer packs are
"luggable" in that context.

When I was doing theatre, they'd bring in 200+ channels of dimmers.
These would be wired direct very close to the service entrance with the
ground lead doubled, making a very robust earth connection.

The sound equipment would then be effectively "separate" . . a much
smaller load usually a service panel or two removed from the lighting.

The "dimmer problem" is most often encountered in a residential or
commercial space that's retrofitted into a studio. Residential dimmers
have to meet emmission standards sufficient for TV viewing, but they
don't stand up to critical listening.

If the power distribution is well-planned and the dimmers are of better
quality (variacs, hopefully), this is less of a problem.

[hank alrich]

Pooh Bear wrote:

> Phil Assilon wrote:

> > ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

> So that's everyone here judging by your usual comments ( assume including
> liars, parrots et al ).

What he meant to say is that civilized people flush the toilet.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Pooh Bear wrote:

> Phil Assilon wrote:

> > ** Only scum want to eliminate their critics.

> So that's everyone here judging by your usual comments ( assume including
> liars, parrots et al ).

What he meant to say is that civilized people flush the toilet.

--
ha

[playon]

>> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
>> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
>> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>>

However, that is what the steering wheel is for...

[playon]

>> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
>> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
>> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>>

However, that is what the steering wheel is for...

[Joakim Wendel]

In article >,
Fuel > wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
> scribbled:
>
> >Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
> >Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
> >out.
>
> Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?
>
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >"Fuel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> >> > scribbled:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >> >
> >> >> richard
> >> >
> >> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
> >from
> >> >dimmers.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >> >>
> >> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
> >> >line
> >> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
> >> >good
> >> >> idea.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
> >> >know ?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
> >> >.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
> >>
> >


No wonder you guys go bomb other countries off the planet ... sheesh
;) wait, where is nz?
--
Joakim Wendel
Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply.

My homepage : http://violinist.nu

[Joakim Wendel]

In article >,
Fuel > wrote:

> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
> scribbled:
>
> >Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
> >Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the ****
> >out.
>
> Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?
>
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >"Fuel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> >> > scribbled:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >> >
> >> >> richard
> >> >
> >> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
> >from
> >> >dimmers.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >> >>
> >> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the power
> >> >line
> >> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is still a
> >> >good
> >> >> idea.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like Dorsey
> >> >know ?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground loops
> >> >.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
> >>
> >


No wonder you guys go bomb other countries off the planet ... sheesh
;) wait, where is nz?
--
Joakim Wendel
Remove obvious mail JUNK block for mail reply.

My homepage : http://violinist.nu

[Roger W. Norman]

It makes walking through a thing of the past when one can drive through them
with a 4wheel drive and simply wash off the excrement with a hose when they
get home.

No one's walking in **** simply because of this newsgroup, Hank. We're
walking through **** because we have a ****ty leader who leaves droppings on
everything he touches.

And in case you didn't notice, a lot of us don't like having to worry about
his excrement either, and it's damned certain it's not a pleasure to us to
wake up to the news of more excrement.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> playon wrote:
>
> > So you DO have a kill file?
>
> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>
> --
> ha

[Roger W. Norman]

It makes walking through a thing of the past when one can drive through them
with a 4wheel drive and simply wash off the excrement with a hose when they
get home.

No one's walking in **** simply because of this newsgroup, Hank. We're
walking through **** because we have a ****ty leader who leaves droppings on
everything he touches.

And in case you didn't notice, a lot of us don't like having to worry about
his excrement either, and it's damned certain it's not a pleasure to us to
wake up to the news of more excrement.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> playon wrote:
>
> > So you DO have a kill file?
>
> Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
>
> --
> ha

[Roger W. Norman]

The problem will go away when the real problem goes away, Ty. That's not a
threat, just a statement of how a lot of us obviously feel. I've been
trying to tone down quite a bit, but it doesn't mean I'm not ****ed about
what's going on and how it's effecting us as Americans. How you view this
newsgroup is obviously different than the way I view it, but at 53 next
week, I don't believe you can offer me any platitudes like "you can't
believe any politician" etc., when the world is going to hell around us.

If anyone isn't scared right now and thinks that the only reason to talk
amongst our peers is to discuss audio and nothing else isn't paying
attention. This isn't just ****, it's ****. Don't get me wrong, Ty. I
agree with you on the level that I can, but there's also a level that says I
can't control some outbursts because these are things that need to be said.
Doing it someplace where I'd have to spend 5 years to gain credibility
enough to say them just isn't in the cards. That I may not have credibility
with you notwithstanding.

And if you recall, I've been just as outspoken about music sharing and a
number of other subjects that adversely effect our ability to do business.
And right now I'd BET that most of us are suffering from a drop in business
and it's pretty easy to see why that drop in business has come about.

OR, I could be wrong. It's been known to happen.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:30:34 -0400, hank alrich wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > playon wrote:
> >
> >> So you DO have a kill file?
> >
> > Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> > Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> > around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
> >
> > --
> > ha
>
> Man, Hank, you have a real gift for visual speech. I really don't like
having
> to be in half-track (and that's NOT and audio reference) mode, but if
that's
> what it takes to clean out the barn, it's worth it.
>
> I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty
period
> in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a ****
hole.
>
> Ty Ford
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com
>

[Roger W. Norman]

The problem will go away when the real problem goes away, Ty. That's not a
threat, just a statement of how a lot of us obviously feel. I've been
trying to tone down quite a bit, but it doesn't mean I'm not ****ed about
what's going on and how it's effecting us as Americans. How you view this
newsgroup is obviously different than the way I view it, but at 53 next
week, I don't believe you can offer me any platitudes like "you can't
believe any politician" etc., when the world is going to hell around us.

If anyone isn't scared right now and thinks that the only reason to talk
amongst our peers is to discuss audio and nothing else isn't paying
attention. This isn't just ****, it's ****. Don't get me wrong, Ty. I
agree with you on the level that I can, but there's also a level that says I
can't control some outbursts because these are things that need to be said.
Doing it someplace where I'd have to spend 5 years to gain credibility
enough to say them just isn't in the cards. That I may not have credibility
with you notwithstanding.

And if you recall, I've been just as outspoken about music sharing and a
number of other subjects that adversely effect our ability to do business.
And right now I'd BET that most of us are suffering from a drop in business
and it's pretty easy to see why that drop in business has come about.

OR, I could be wrong. It's been known to happen.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 22:30:34 -0400, hank alrich wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > playon wrote:
> >
> >> So you DO have a kill file?
> >
> > Ty got a new newsreader some time ago. (Pay attention, will ya? <g>)
> > Still, that doesn't mean that having four wheel drive makes driving
> > around and over piles of excrement a pleasure.
> >
> > --
> > ha
>
> Man, Hank, you have a real gift for visual speech. I really don't like
having
> to be in half-track (and that's NOT and audio reference) mode, but if
that's
> what it takes to clean out the barn, it's worth it.
>
> I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty
period
> in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a ****
hole.
>
> Ty Ford
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other
audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com
>

[George]

In article >,
"Roger W. Norman" > wrote:

> It makes walking through a thing of the past when one can drive through them
> with a 4wheel drive and simply wash off the excrement with a hose when they
> get home.
>
> No one's walking in **** simply because of this newsgroup, Hank. We're
> walking through **** because we have a ****ty leader who leaves droppings on
> everything he touches.
>
> And in case you didn't notice, a lot of us don't like having to worry about
> his excrement either, and it's damned certain it's not a pleasure to us to
> wake up to the news of more excrement.

Too many in the USA can't tell **** from shinola
we help point that diffrence out
George

[George]

In article >,
"Roger W. Norman" > wrote:

> It makes walking through a thing of the past when one can drive through them
> with a 4wheel drive and simply wash off the excrement with a hose when they
> get home.
>
> No one's walking in **** simply because of this newsgroup, Hank. We're
> walking through **** because we have a ****ty leader who leaves droppings on
> everything he touches.
>
> And in case you didn't notice, a lot of us don't like having to worry about
> his excrement either, and it's damned certain it's not a pleasure to us to
> wake up to the news of more excrement.

Too many in the USA can't tell **** from shinola
we help point that diffrence out
George

[DrBoom]

Ty Ford > wrote in message >...
> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.

It's probably not just you, but I for one disagree somewhat.

Within his areas of expertise (i.e. excluding loudspeakers, etc.), Phil is as
knowledgeable as anyone here. I know I've learned from him.

For years folks justified the behavior of a certain Boston retailer because
he posted good information. Phil is ten times as technically informed (again,
within his limits) as the self-proclaimed Bad Boy From MA, but the consensus
seems to support the BBFMA's less informed, albeit more entertaining, schtick.

Some of you should go look in the archives and watch yourselves defending
similar behavior.

Yeah, Phil lacks talent in the insult department. Still, I haven't seen him
physically threaten anyone ... which puts him one up on a few "respected"
old timers.

Ty, give the whining a ****ing rest. You've made your point, ad nauseum.
Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
Knock yourself out.

Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of those
things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.

-DrBoom

[DrBoom]

Ty Ford > wrote in message >...
> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after having
> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.

It's probably not just you, but I for one disagree somewhat.

Within his areas of expertise (i.e. excluding loudspeakers, etc.), Phil is as
knowledgeable as anyone here. I know I've learned from him.

For years folks justified the behavior of a certain Boston retailer because
he posted good information. Phil is ten times as technically informed (again,
within his limits) as the self-proclaimed Bad Boy From MA, but the consensus
seems to support the BBFMA's less informed, albeit more entertaining, schtick.

Some of you should go look in the archives and watch yourselves defending
similar behavior.

Yeah, Phil lacks talent in the insult department. Still, I haven't seen him
physically threaten anyone ... which puts him one up on a few "respected"
old timers.

Ty, give the whining a ****ing rest. You've made your point, ad nauseum.
Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
Knock yourself out.

Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of those
things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.

-DrBoom

[Michael]

In article >,
says...
> Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
> Knock yourself out.

What's a free country? Remember, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum,
not for the USA only. I can understand why some of our neighbors
would be disgusted with the political OT crap that's taken over the
newsgroup.

> Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of those
> things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.

I just wish he would discuss things in a civilized manner, instead
of like a three-year-old. He may be incredibly intelligent (or not),
but I'll never know as long as he keeps acting so childish; I'm afraid
I don't have the patience to wade through his bashing of trusted
regulars here, that have been kind to me when I needed it.
---Michael (of APP)...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/austinpowerplantmusic.htm

[Michael]

In article >,
says...
> Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
> Knock yourself out.

What's a free country? Remember, this is an INTERNATIONAL forum,
not for the USA only. I can understand why some of our neighbors
would be disgusted with the political OT crap that's taken over the
newsgroup.

> Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of those
> things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.

I just wish he would discuss things in a civilized manner, instead
of like a three-year-old. He may be incredibly intelligent (or not),
but I'll never know as long as he keeps acting so childish; I'm afraid
I don't have the patience to wade through his bashing of trusted
regulars here, that have been kind to me when I needed it.
---Michael (of APP)...
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/6/austinpowerplantmusic.htm

[Fuel]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:14:25 +0200, Joakim Wendel
> scribbled:


>
>
>No wonder you guys go bomb other countries off the planet ... sheesh
>;) wait, where is nz?

Funny. Har har. You should be a stand-up comedian.

[Fuel]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 20:14:25 +0200, Joakim Wendel
> scribbled:


>
>
>No wonder you guys go bomb other countries off the planet ... sheesh
>;) wait, where is nz?

Funny. Har har. You should be a stand-up comedian.

[mr c deckard]

>
> ............ Phil


phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.

absolutely NO ONE wants you here. everyone here is in a group
throwing rocks at you, yelling at you to GO AWAY. it's rather
pathetic, and i'm kinda getting embarrassed for you.



is australian english so different that perhaps the meaning isn't
conveyed?

hmmm. think of yourself as an electron. now, think of this group as
having about -1MVolt potential. you're an australio-electro-physics
genius -- do you understand now?


just in case, phil, one more time: no. one. wants. you. here.



i'll give you a hint: post a rant about the people on this ng, and
how they are all idiots, "****wits", parrots, etc., (hell, even throw
in a "dickhard" for good measure!), then, conclude with how you give
up on all us schmucks, and that you're off to find a ng worthy of your
presence. this way, you get to leave because *you wanted to*, AND you
save face!


take care, phil, i so hate to see you go -- you could've taught us so
much (wink-wink)


chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[mr c deckard]

>
> ............ Phil


phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.

absolutely NO ONE wants you here. everyone here is in a group
throwing rocks at you, yelling at you to GO AWAY. it's rather
pathetic, and i'm kinda getting embarrassed for you.



is australian english so different that perhaps the meaning isn't
conveyed?

hmmm. think of yourself as an electron. now, think of this group as
having about -1MVolt potential. you're an australio-electro-physics
genius -- do you understand now?


just in case, phil, one more time: no. one. wants. you. here.



i'll give you a hint: post a rant about the people on this ng, and
how they are all idiots, "****wits", parrots, etc., (hell, even throw
in a "dickhard" for good measure!), then, conclude with how you give
up on all us schmucks, and that you're off to find a ng worthy of your
presence. this way, you get to leave because *you wanted to*, AND you
save face!


take care, phil, i so hate to see you go -- you could've taught us so
much (wink-wink)


chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[Phil Allison]

"U-CDK_CHARLES
Patrick Dunford

> > Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> > dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
> > The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> > Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the
noise
> > problems?
>
> The manuals are talking about studio installs, whereas dimmer packs are
> "luggable" in that context.


** The manuals are talking about sound systems - not studios of any kind.


> When I was doing theatre, they'd bring in 200+ channels of dimmers.
> These would be wired direct very close to the service entrance with the
> ground lead doubled, making a very robust earth connection.
>
> The sound equipment would then be effectively "separate" . . a much
> smaller load usually a service panel or two removed from the lighting.
>

** AS recommended in the manuals Patrick is reading.


> The "dimmer problem" is most often encountered in a residential or
> commercial space that's retrofitted into a studio.


** Is anyone so dumb they have triac dimmed lights installed in a
recording studio ????


> Residential dimmers have to meet emmission standards sufficient for TV
viewing,


** AM and short wave bands are covered too - just not the AUDIO band !!



> If the power distribution is well-planned and the dimmers are of better
> quality (variacs, hopefully), this is less of a problem.
>


** Variac and variable inductance dimming went out decades ago.

For critical applications, where no audible buzz can be accepted there are
modern "Sine Wave" dimmers - using either mosfets ot IGBTs to "chop" the AC
at supersonic high frequency and scale it to any desired value.


http://www.stld.org.uk/php/index.php?sectionid=19&parentid=4&contentid=176




.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"U-CDK_CHARLES
Patrick Dunford

> > Every sound system manual I have ever seen recommends strongly you have
> > dimmers on a separate phase from the sound system.
> >
> > The problem with this is, most dimmer packs are three phase.
> >
> > Short of not using 1/3 of your channels, what can be done about the
noise
> > problems?
>
> The manuals are talking about studio installs, whereas dimmer packs are
> "luggable" in that context.


** The manuals are talking about sound systems - not studios of any kind.


> When I was doing theatre, they'd bring in 200+ channels of dimmers.
> These would be wired direct very close to the service entrance with the
> ground lead doubled, making a very robust earth connection.
>
> The sound equipment would then be effectively "separate" . . a much
> smaller load usually a service panel or two removed from the lighting.
>

** AS recommended in the manuals Patrick is reading.


> The "dimmer problem" is most often encountered in a residential or
> commercial space that's retrofitted into a studio.


** Is anyone so dumb they have triac dimmed lights installed in a
recording studio ????


> Residential dimmers have to meet emmission standards sufficient for TV
viewing,


** AM and short wave bands are covered too - just not the AUDIO band !!



> If the power distribution is well-planned and the dimmers are of better
> quality (variacs, hopefully), this is less of a problem.
>


** Variac and variable inductance dimming went out decades ago.

For critical applications, where no audible buzz can be accepted there are
modern "Sine Wave" dimmers - using either mosfets ot IGBTs to "chop" the AC
at supersonic high frequency and scale it to any desired value.


http://www.stld.org.uk/php/index.php?sectionid=19&parentid=4&contentid=176




.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard"
>
> phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.


** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!


In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---






----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--


** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
they own this NG ??


---------------------------------------------------------------------------





----------------------------------------------------------------------------



** I wait with interest.



.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard"
>
> phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.


** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!


In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---






----------------------------------------------------------------------------
--


** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
they own this NG ??


---------------------------------------------------------------------------





----------------------------------------------------------------------------



** I wait with interest.



.............. Phil

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"
> >
> > phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> > knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.
>
>
> ** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!
>
>
> In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
> they own this NG ??
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ** I wait with interest.
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
nothing"), you only changed the subject. Why not answer his question?
It should be easy for a genius like you, Phil.

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"
> >
> > phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> > knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.
>
>
> ** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!
>
>
> In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
> they own this NG ??
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ** I wait with interest.
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
nothing"), you only changed the subject. Why not answer his question?
It should be easy for a genius like you, Phil.

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas" = tenthwit
> "Phil Allison"
> > "mr c deckard" = beneath contempt.
> > >
> > > phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> > > knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.
> >
> >
> > ** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!
> >
> >
> > In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act
like
> > they own this NG ??
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> >
> > ** I wait with interest.
>
> You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
> gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
> nothing"), you only changed the subject.



** I did NOT not change the subject - asshole.

1. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM.

2. NOBODY owns a public forum.


Too bad does not suit mental retards like you and Dickhard.


> Why not answer his question?



** There was no question - just the dumb Dickhard's insults over gain.




............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas" = tenthwit
> "Phil Allison"
> > "mr c deckard" = beneath contempt.
> > >
> > > phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> > > knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.
> >
> >
> > ** Hey, to that Dickhard ****head !!
> >
> >
> > In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> > ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act
like
> > they own this NG ??
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
-
> >
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
--
> >
> >
> > ** I wait with interest.
>
> You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
> gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
> nothing"), you only changed the subject.



** I did NOT not change the subject - asshole.

1. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM.

2. NOBODY owns a public forum.


Too bad does not suit mental retards like you and Dickhard.


> Why not answer his question?



** There was no question - just the dumb Dickhard's insults over gain.




............. Phil

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:06:46 -0400, Roger W. Norman wrote
(in article >):

> The problem will go away when the real problem goes away, Ty. That's not a
> threat, just a statement of how a lot of us obviously feel. I've been
> trying to tone down quite a bit, but it doesn't mean I'm not ****ed about
> what's going on and how it's effecting us as Americans. How you view this
> newsgroup is obviously different than the way I view it, but at 53 next
> week, I don't believe you can offer me any platitudes like "you can't
> believe any politician" etc., when the world is going to hell around us.
>
> If anyone isn't scared right now and thinks that the only reason to talk
> amongst our peers is to discuss audio and nothing else isn't paying
> attention. This isn't just ****, it's ****. Don't get me wrong, Ty. I
> agree with you on the level that I can, but there's also a level that says I
> can't control some outbursts because these are things that need to be said.
> Doing it someplace where I'd have to spend 5 years to gain credibility
> enough to say them just isn't in the cards. That I may not have credibility
> with you notwithstanding.
>
> And if you recall, I've been just as outspoken about music sharing and a
> number of other subjects that adversely effect our ability to do business.
> And right now I'd BET that most of us are suffering from a drop in business
> and it's pretty easy to see why that drop in business has come about.
>
> OR, I could be wrong. It's been known to happen.

Well here's some good news then. My business has been slowly increasing for
the last 9 months. Most of it from recording audio -- music and other.

I did get e a nice bump from being in the John Waters movie, but the ripple
effect of that is yet to be determined. I have been booked without auditions
since then, but that may be coincidence.

Regards,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:06:46 -0400, Roger W. Norman wrote
(in article >):

> The problem will go away when the real problem goes away, Ty. That's not a
> threat, just a statement of how a lot of us obviously feel. I've been
> trying to tone down quite a bit, but it doesn't mean I'm not ****ed about
> what's going on and how it's effecting us as Americans. How you view this
> newsgroup is obviously different than the way I view it, but at 53 next
> week, I don't believe you can offer me any platitudes like "you can't
> believe any politician" etc., when the world is going to hell around us.
>
> If anyone isn't scared right now and thinks that the only reason to talk
> amongst our peers is to discuss audio and nothing else isn't paying
> attention. This isn't just ****, it's ****. Don't get me wrong, Ty. I
> agree with you on the level that I can, but there's also a level that says I
> can't control some outbursts because these are things that need to be said.
> Doing it someplace where I'd have to spend 5 years to gain credibility
> enough to say them just isn't in the cards. That I may not have credibility
> with you notwithstanding.
>
> And if you recall, I've been just as outspoken about music sharing and a
> number of other subjects that adversely effect our ability to do business.
> And right now I'd BET that most of us are suffering from a drop in business
> and it's pretty easy to see why that drop in business has come about.
>
> OR, I could be wrong. It's been known to happen.

Well here's some good news then. My business has been slowly increasing for
the last 9 months. Most of it from recording audio -- music and other.

I did get e a nice bump from being in the John Waters movie, but the ripple
effect of that is yet to be determined. I have been booked without auditions
since then, but that may be coincidence.

Regards,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:23:54 -0400, DrBoom wrote
(in article >):

> Ty Ford > wrote in message
> >...
>> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
>> having
>> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.
>
> It's probably not just you, but I for one disagree somewhat.
>
> Within his areas of expertise (i.e. excluding loudspeakers, etc.), Phil is as
> knowledgeable as anyone here. I know I've learned from him.
>
> For years folks justified the behavior of a certain Boston retailer because
> he posted good information. Phil is ten times as technically informed (again,
> within his limits) as the self-proclaimed Bad Boy From MA, but the consensus
> seems to support the BBFMA's less informed, albeit more entertaining,
schtick.
>
> Some of you should go look in the archives and watch yourselves defending
> similar behavior.
>
> Yeah, Phil lacks talent in the insult department. Still, I haven't seen him
> physically threaten anyone ... which puts him one up on a few "respected"
> old timers.
>
> Ty, give the whining a ****ing rest. You've made your point, ad nauseum.
> Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
> Knock yourself out.
>
> Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of
those
> things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.
>
> -DrBoom

I never take advice from anonymous doctors.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 16:23:54 -0400, DrBoom wrote
(in article >):

> Ty Ford > wrote in message
> >...
>> Is it just me or does anyone else noticed how much nicer rap is after
>> having
>> killfiled the philbot. What a relief to get rid of that nasty, fuzzy logic.
>
> It's probably not just you, but I for one disagree somewhat.
>
> Within his areas of expertise (i.e. excluding loudspeakers, etc.), Phil is as
> knowledgeable as anyone here. I know I've learned from him.
>
> For years folks justified the behavior of a certain Boston retailer because
> he posted good information. Phil is ten times as technically informed (again,
> within his limits) as the self-proclaimed Bad Boy From MA, but the consensus
> seems to support the BBFMA's less informed, albeit more entertaining,
schtick.
>
> Some of you should go look in the archives and watch yourselves defending
> similar behavior.
>
> Yeah, Phil lacks talent in the insult department. Still, I haven't seen him
> physically threaten anyone ... which puts him one up on a few "respected"
> old timers.
>
> Ty, give the whining a ****ing rest. You've made your point, ad nauseum.
> Then again, it's a (somewhat) free country and an unmoderated newsgroup.
> Knock yourself out.
>
> Phil, stick to what you know. Dealing out effective insults isn't one of
those
> things. Or see above re: freedom. I'm sure the same liberties obtain in Oz.
>
> -DrBoom

I never take advice from anonymous doctors.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Phil Allison]

"Ty Ford"

> I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
>
> Ty Ford


** ROTFLMAO !!!

A prize charlatan will not take advice from someone he suspect might be
just like him !!!





............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Ty Ford"

> I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
>
> Ty Ford


** ROTFLMAO !!!

A prize charlatan will not take advice from someone he suspect might be
just like him !!!





............ Phil

[Tommy B]

Is your name Phil?
Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
If so, then yeah.
If not, then no.

Tom




"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
> scribbled:
>
> >Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
> >Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the
****
> >out.
>
> Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?
>
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >"Fuel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> >> > scribbled:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >> >
> >> >> richard
> >> >
> >> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
> >from
> >> >dimmers.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >> >>
> >> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the
power
> >> >line
> >> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is
still a
> >> >good
> >> >> idea.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like
Dorsey
> >> >know ?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground
loops
> >> >.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
> >>
> >
>

[Tommy B]

Is your name Phil?
Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
If so, then yeah.
If not, then no.

Tom




"Fuel" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 27 Sep 2004 09:27:49 GMT, "Tommy B" >
> scribbled:
>
> >Well Phil, I heard the donkeys don't say that about you!
> >Now why don't you be a good boy, go have a spot of tea, and chill the
****
> >out.
>
> Hey are you replying to me or the original poster?
>
> >
> >Tom
> >
> >
> >"Fuel" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 23:01:48 +1000, "Phil Allison"
> >> > scribbled:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Scott Dorsey" = criminal LIAR
> >> >
> >> >> richard
> >> >
> >> >> >The issue will be with earth loops, they exagerate the noise pickup
> >from
> >> >dimmers.
> >> >>
> >> >> >Solve the earth loop, solve the buzz generally.
> >> >>
> >> >> For the most part this is true, but keeping the trash out of the
power
> >> >line
> >> >> as much as possible with careful power supply to the dimmers is
still a
> >> >good
> >> >> idea.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** How would a posturing, ****ing, know nothing, imbecile like
Dorsey
> >> >know ?????
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> Because you're going to encounter equipment with internal ground
loops
> >> >.....
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >** NO - YOU UTTER ****WIT the ****ing hum loops are EXTERNAL.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > There are donkeys with higher IQs that this Dorsey bloody idiot !!!!
> >>
> >>
> >> For ****s sakes, go back under the bridge where you belong.
> >>
> >
>

[Phil Allison]

"Tommy B" <
> Is your name Phil?
> Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
> If so, then yeah.
> If not, then no.



** Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
than pathetic.

The dude is NOT an electronics engineer.

The dude is NOT even an electronics tech.

Then, unable to respond to the complaints and just like Rivers, he does
what any CHARLATAN does and attacks the messenger with libel and abuse.

This is then the ***CUE** to all the brain dead zombies here to
**MINDLESSLY** follow suit.

I see you yet are another one.

And a stinking top poster as well.

Go drop dead.



........... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Tommy B" <
> Is your name Phil?
> Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
> If so, then yeah.
> If not, then no.



** Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
than pathetic.

The dude is NOT an electronics engineer.

The dude is NOT even an electronics tech.

Then, unable to respond to the complaints and just like Rivers, he does
what any CHARLATAN does and attacks the messenger with libel and abuse.

This is then the ***CUE** to all the brain dead zombies here to
**MINDLESSLY** follow suit.

I see you yet are another one.

And a stinking top poster as well.

Go drop dead.



........... Phil

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> > You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
> > gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
> > nothing"), you only changed the subject.
>
>
>
> ** I did NOT not change the subject - asshole.
>
> 1. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM.
>
> 2. NOBODY owns a public forum.
>
>
> Too bad does not suit mental retards like you and Dickhard.
>
>
> > Why not answer his question?
>
>
>
> ** There was no question - just the dumb Dickhard's insults over gain.
>
>
>
>
> ............ Phil

The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
original post. I will repeat it again:

"phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".

So let's hear your answer to the question, Phil. Why are you still
here?

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> > You didn't answer his question ("phil, why are you still here? you
> > gain nothing (no one here is as knowledgeable as you), and you give
> > nothing"), you only changed the subject.
>
>
>
> ** I did NOT not change the subject - asshole.
>
> 1. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM.
>
> 2. NOBODY owns a public forum.
>
>
> Too bad does not suit mental retards like you and Dickhard.
>
>
> > Why not answer his question?
>
>
>
> ** There was no question - just the dumb Dickhard's insults over gain.
>
>
>
>
> ............ Phil

The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
original post. I will repeat it again:

"phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".

So let's hear your answer to the question, Phil. Why are you still
here?

[DrBoom]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "Ty Ford"
>
> > I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
> >
> > Ty Ford

Heh, thanks for the morning laugh. I feel the same way about advice from
random recordists.

> ** ROTFLMAO !!!
>
> A prize charlatan will not take advice from someone he suspect might be
> just like him !!!
>
> ........... Phil

"... just like him"? I'm a lot younger than Ty, and better looking. He has a nicer
mic collection, though.

-DrBoom

[DrBoom]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "Ty Ford"
>
> > I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
> >
> > Ty Ford

Heh, thanks for the morning laugh. I feel the same way about advice from
random recordists.

> ** ROTFLMAO !!!
>
> A prize charlatan will not take advice from someone he suspect might be
> just like him !!!
>
> ........... Phil

"... just like him"? I'm a lot younger than Ty, and better looking. He has a nicer
mic collection, though.

-DrBoom

[Tommy B]

Phil, how do you consistently miss the point?
Even if you're right, you're wrong.
If you're going to insult someone use a little wit, if I'm not asking too
much, and stop all the yelling!
So if I was to say to you,
"Live Long And Don't Prosper".
What TV, then movie series and which character from that series ALMOST said
that.
See, I insulted you and then made a game out of it.
Try to do something creative and not yell!

Tom




"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tommy B" <
> > Is your name Phil?
> > Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
> > If so, then yeah.
> > If not, then no.
>
>
>
> ** Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
> ****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly
regurgitates
> his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
> challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
> than pathetic.
>
> The dude is NOT an electronics engineer.
>
> The dude is NOT even an electronics tech.
>
> Then, unable to respond to the complaints and just like Rivers, he does
> what any CHARLATAN does and attacks the messenger with libel and abuse.
>
> This is then the ***CUE** to all the brain dead zombies here to
> **MINDLESSLY** follow suit.
>
> I see you yet are another one.
>
> And a stinking top poster as well.
>
> Go drop dead.
>
>
>
> .......... Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>

[Tommy B]

Phil, how do you consistently miss the point?
Even if you're right, you're wrong.
If you're going to insult someone use a little wit, if I'm not asking too
much, and stop all the yelling!
So if I was to say to you,
"Live Long And Don't Prosper".
What TV, then movie series and which character from that series ALMOST said
that.
See, I insulted you and then made a game out of it.
Try to do something creative and not yell!

Tom




"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Tommy B" <
> > Is your name Phil?
> > Did post the obsene thread, "Scott Dorsey is a pig" !
> > If so, then yeah.
> > If not, then no.
>
>
>
> ** Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
> ****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly
regurgitates
> his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
> challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
> than pathetic.
>
> The dude is NOT an electronics engineer.
>
> The dude is NOT even an electronics tech.
>
> Then, unable to respond to the complaints and just like Rivers, he does
> what any CHARLATAN does and attacks the messenger with libel and abuse.
>
> This is then the ***CUE** to all the brain dead zombies here to
> **MINDLESSLY** follow suit.
>
> I see you yet are another one.
>
> And a stinking top poster as well.
>
> Go drop dead.
>
>
>
> .......... Phil
>
>
>
>
>
>

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"





phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
must first answer the question i asked you *first* (note that i'm not
telling you to leave, i'm trying to find out why you stay when
everyone really, really wants you to):

-----------
phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.

absolutely NO ONE wants you here. everyone here is in a group
throwing rocks at you, yelling at you to GO AWAY. it's rather
pathetic, and i'm kinda getting embarrassed for you.
------------


if you honestly answer that question (it actually is quite an honest
question), i will honestly answer the two that you included below.




it just boggles my mind, phil, that someone would stick around and
bother in a forum (of idiots, parrots, and, as we've come to find out,
problematic names) where they are *actively NOT wanted*, and they
contribute and gain NOTHING.

in a way, phil, it challenges my model of behaviourial theory, so i'm
trying to figure out if i need to update it or not.


your friend,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo








> In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
> they own this NG ??
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ** I wait with interest.
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"





phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
must first answer the question i asked you *first* (note that i'm not
telling you to leave, i'm trying to find out why you stay when
everyone really, really wants you to):

-----------
phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing.

absolutely NO ONE wants you here. everyone here is in a group
throwing rocks at you, yelling at you to GO AWAY. it's rather
pathetic, and i'm kinda getting embarrassed for you.
------------


if you honestly answer that question (it actually is quite an honest
question), i will honestly answer the two that you included below.




it just boggles my mind, phil, that someone would stick around and
bother in a forum (of idiots, parrots, and, as we've come to find out,
problematic names) where they are *actively NOT wanted*, and they
contribute and gain NOTHING.

in a way, phil, it challenges my model of behaviourial theory, so i'm
trying to figure out if i need to update it or not.


your friend,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo








> In the space below explain what you think a public forum is ???
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ---
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> --
>
>
> ** In this next space explain why you think anyone is entitled to act like
> they own this NG ??
>
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
>
> ** I wait with interest.
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

[david]

In article >,
ThePaulThomas > wrote:

> The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
> original post. I will repeat it again:
>
> "phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".
>
> So let's hear your answer to the question, Phil. Why are you still
> here?




Like the Triumph, the insult comic dog on Conan O'Brien, his job is to
poop on you.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

[david]

In article >,
ThePaulThomas > wrote:

> The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
> original post. I will repeat it again:
>
> "phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".
>
> So let's hear your answer to the question, Phil. Why are you still
> here?




Like the Triumph, the insult comic dog on Conan O'Brien, his job is to
poop on you.





David Correia
Celebration Sound
Warren, Rhode Island


www.CelebrationSound.com

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:51:31 -0400, DrBoom wrote
(in article >):

> "Phil Allison" > wrote in message
> >...
>> "Ty Ford"
>>
>>> I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
>>>
>>> Ty Ford
>
> Heh, thanks for the morning laugh. I feel the same way about advice from
> random recordists.

Me too.

I'm a lot younger than Ty, and better looking. He has a
> nicer
> mic collection, though.
>
> -DrBoom

Chicks dig it. ;)

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:51:31 -0400, DrBoom wrote
(in article >):

> "Phil Allison" > wrote in message
> >...
>> "Ty Ford"
>>
>>> I never take advice from anonymous doctors.
>>>
>>> Ty Ford
>
> Heh, thanks for the morning laugh. I feel the same way about advice from
> random recordists.

Me too.

I'm a lot younger than Ty, and better looking. He has a
> nicer
> mic collection, though.
>
> -DrBoom

Chicks dig it. ;)

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
> original post. I will repeat it again:
>
> "phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".

I can answer that. He's serving a very useful purpose - warning people
who come here for answers that they shouldn't listen to Scott or Ty or
Me or just about anyone else lest they get the wrong info.

Of course with no posters so far getting the ** Phil Assilson Seal of
Approval ** there's nobody to rely on. Not even Phil, since he rarely
posts anything of any technical value, and most people have learned
to ignore his posts anyway.

I guess maybe everyone will go away eventually.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> The question and comment you have not answered was quoted in my
> original post. I will repeat it again:
>
> "phil, why are you still here? you gain nothing (no one here is as
> knowledgeable as you), and you give nothing".

I can answer that. He's serving a very useful purpose - warning people
who come here for answers that they shouldn't listen to Scott or Ty or
Me or just about anyone else lest they get the wrong info.

Of course with no posters so far getting the ** Phil Assilson Seal of
Approval ** there's nobody to rely on. Not even Phil, since he rarely
posts anything of any technical value, and most people have learned
to ignore his posts anyway.

I guess maybe everyone will go away eventually.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[reddred]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...

>
> *************************
> *************************
> ........... Phil
>

I'm wondering what kind of person feels so powerless in their own life that
they turn to a place like usenet for some measure of power. You differ from
'normal' trolls in that you appear to be a real person and you only use one
address to post from. So your motivation isn't to destroy the group, as some
kids get their jollies doing over in alt. You seem to try and help some of
the newer members of the forum while attempting, as best as you can, to
insult the 'die-hards'. This is a classic usenet 'divide and conquer'
strategy, but unsuccessful for you as your posting style is uncharismatic in
all ways.

I'm really interested in usenet culture, and I'm writing a dissertation, so
I have a few questions.

1) Are you married? Have you ever been married?
2) What do you do for a living? What is your job title?
3) How much money do you make?
4) Do you come from a single parent household?
5) Do you have fond memories of childhood?
6) Are you affiliated with a political party? If so, what?
7) Are you affiliatd with a religious group, if so, which?
8) Have you ever wounded an animal? If so, why?
9) Do you watch TV? What are your favorite shows?
10) How much sugar do you consume in a day? Caffeine? Alcohol? Canabis?
Cocaine? Heroin?
11) Have you ever been incarcerated? If so, why?
12) Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?
13) Which testacle hangs lower, the right or the left?

Thanks Phil, I know you're the helpful type so I'll just thank you in
advance for your speedy answering.

jb

[reddred]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message
...

>
> *************************
> *************************
> ........... Phil
>

I'm wondering what kind of person feels so powerless in their own life that
they turn to a place like usenet for some measure of power. You differ from
'normal' trolls in that you appear to be a real person and you only use one
address to post from. So your motivation isn't to destroy the group, as some
kids get their jollies doing over in alt. You seem to try and help some of
the newer members of the forum while attempting, as best as you can, to
insult the 'die-hards'. This is a classic usenet 'divide and conquer'
strategy, but unsuccessful for you as your posting style is uncharismatic in
all ways.

I'm really interested in usenet culture, and I'm writing a dissertation, so
I have a few questions.

1) Are you married? Have you ever been married?
2) What do you do for a living? What is your job title?
3) How much money do you make?
4) Do you come from a single parent household?
5) Do you have fond memories of childhood?
6) Are you affiliated with a political party? If so, what?
7) Are you affiliatd with a religious group, if so, which?
8) Have you ever wounded an animal? If so, why?
9) Do you watch TV? What are your favorite shows?
10) How much sugar do you consume in a day? Caffeine? Alcohol? Canabis?
Cocaine? Heroin?
11) Have you ever been incarcerated? If so, why?
12) Are you now or have you ever been a member of the communist party?
13) Which testacle hangs lower, the right or the left?

Thanks Phil, I know you're the helpful type so I'll just thank you in
advance for your speedy answering.

jb

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas"
"Phil Allison"

>
> "phil, why are you still here?


** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM

Try learning to read - ****head.




.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas"
"Phil Allison"

>
> "phil, why are you still here?


** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM

Try learning to read - ****head.




.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c dickard"
>

>
> phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> must first answer the question i asked you *first*


** I have.

" Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "


Now, answer my two genuine questions - asshole .





.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c dickard"
>

>
> phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> must first answer the question i asked you *first*


** I have.

" Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "


Now, answer my two genuine questions - asshole .





.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"reddred"


** Mr R Dred, your last frontal lobotomy was not successful - have
another.




............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"reddred"


** Mr R Dred, your last frontal lobotomy was not successful - have
another.




............ Phil

[Bob Cain]

Phil Allison wrote:

> "mr c dickard"
>
>
>>phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
>>must first answer the question i asked you *first*
>
>
>
> ** I have.
>
> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "

You can, so you will for no other reason. Do I have that
right?

You must be a _very_ busy troll.

Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
Probably never have been anywhere.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Phil Allison wrote:

> "mr c dickard"
>
>
>>phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
>>must first answer the question i asked you *first*
>
>
>
> ** I have.
>
> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "

You can, so you will for no other reason. Do I have that
right?

You must be a _very_ busy troll.

Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
Probably never have been anywhere.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Phil Allison]

"Bob Cain"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > "mr c dickard"

> >>phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> >>must first answer the question i asked you *first*
> >
> >
> > ** I have.
> >
> > " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "
>
>
> You can, so you will for no other reason. Do I have that
> right?


** Not even slightly.

But The Porcine Prince of Fools never gets anything right.


>
> Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
>


** Certainly not wanted buy all the charlatans, spivs and their dupes.

I see you are their self appointed advocate.





.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Bob Cain"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> > "mr c dickard"

> >>phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> >>must first answer the question i asked you *first*
> >
> >
> > ** I have.
> >
> > " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "
>
>
> You can, so you will for no other reason. Do I have that
> right?


** Not even slightly.

But The Porcine Prince of Fools never gets anything right.


>
> Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
>


** Certainly not wanted buy all the charlatans, spivs and their dupes.

I see you are their self appointed advocate.





.............. Phil

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "ThePaulThomas"
> "Phil Allison"
>
> >
> > "phil, why are you still here?
>
>
> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>
> Try learning to read - ****head.
>
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

Try making a worthwhile contribution.

[ThePaulThomas]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "ThePaulThomas"
> "Phil Allison"
>
> >
> > "phil, why are you still here?
>
>
> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>
> Try learning to read - ****head.
>
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

Try making a worthwhile contribution.

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas"
> "Phil Allison"
> > >
> > > "phil, why are you still here?
> >
> >
> > ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
> >
> > Try learning to read - ****head.

>
> Try making a worthwhile contribution.


*** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******




............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"ThePaulThomas"
> "Phil Allison"
> > >
> > > "phil, why are you still here?
> >
> >
> > ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
> >
> > Try learning to read - ****head.

>
> Try making a worthwhile contribution.


*** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******




............. Phil

[Chris Hornbeck]

>> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "

>Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
>Probably never have been anywhere.

How late must one stay up to consider *both* of these positions
to have equivalent or at least comparable validity? I could
answer the question if I only knew my current time zone.

Bon chance, mon ami's,

Chris Hornbeck

[Chris Hornbeck]

>> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "

>Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
>Probably never have been anywhere.

How late must one stay up to consider *both* of these positions
to have equivalent or at least comparable validity? I could
answer the question if I only knew my current time zone.

Bon chance, mon ami's,

Chris Hornbeck

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
(in article >):

>
> "ThePaulThomas"
>> "Phil Allison"
>>>>
>>>> "phil, why are you still here?
>>>
>>>
>>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>>>
>>> Try learning to read - ****head.
>
>>
>> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
>
>
> *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******

So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
that working for you?"

The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different depending
on what your uncle had for lunch.

Regards,

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
(in article >):

>
> "ThePaulThomas"
>> "Phil Allison"
>>>>
>>>> "phil, why are you still here?
>>>
>>>
>>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>>>
>>> Try learning to read - ****head.
>
>>
>> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
>
>
> *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******

So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
that working for you?"

The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different depending
on what your uncle had for lunch.

Regards,

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[George]

In article >,
Ty Ford > wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
> (in article >):
>
> >
> > "ThePaulThomas"
> >> "Phil Allison"
> >>>>
> >>>> "phil, why are you still here?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
> >>>
> >>> Try learning to read - ****head.
> >
> >>
> >> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
> >
> >
> > *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******
>
> So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
> that working for you?"
>
> The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
> pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
> pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different depending
> on what your uncle had for lunch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty

Ty why don't you get a ****ing room somewhere to post you OT instead
of cluttering up the audio group with all your off topic bull**** about
farts and peoples uncles

George

[George]

In article >,
Ty Ford > wrote:

> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
> (in article >):
>
> >
> > "ThePaulThomas"
> >> "Phil Allison"
> >>>>
> >>>> "phil, why are you still here?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
> >>>
> >>> Try learning to read - ****head.
> >
> >>
> >> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
> >
> >
> > *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******
>
> So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
> that working for you?"
>
> The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
> pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
> pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different depending
> on what your uncle had for lunch.
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty

Ty why don't you get a ****ing room somewhere to post you OT instead
of cluttering up the audio group with all your off topic bull**** about
farts and peoples uncles

George

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM

So? We're waiting for your CONTRIBUTION. But we're getting impatient.

Pretty soon Rule 2817.67.c will kick in and you'll lose your entitlement to
post to a USENET NEWSGROUP. (which is not a PUBLIC FORUM)


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM

So? We're waiting for your CONTRIBUTION. But we're getting impatient.

Pretty soon Rule 2817.67.c will kick in and you'll lose your entitlement to
post to a USENET NEWSGROUP. (which is not a PUBLIC FORUM)


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:03:49 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Ty Ford > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>>
>>> "ThePaulThomas"
>>>> "Phil Allison"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "phil, why are you still here?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>>>>>
>>>>> Try learning to read - ****head.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******
>>
>> So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
>> that working for you?"
>>
>> The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
>> pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
>> pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different
>> depending
>> on what your uncle had for lunch.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ty
>
> Ty why don't you get a ****ing room somewhere to post you OT instead
> of cluttering up the audio group with all your off topic bull**** about
> farts and peoples uncles
>
> George

Hey George,

It about nulling phil. That's a worthwhile item on the agenda.

You wanna rank on me fine, I really don't care, but don't impose your wrath
on everyone else in the group. ..you know like you impose yourself by getting
into interminable OT postings about things you can't do anything about? It
just makes you look stupid.

You have something you want to communicate to me, do it by email, off list,
or go kick the cat.

with hopeful respect,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 13:03:49 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Ty Ford > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 03:06:48 -0400, Phil Allison wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>>
>>> "ThePaulThomas"
>>>> "Phil Allison"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "phil, why are you still here?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ** A. Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM
>>>>>
>>>>> Try learning to read - ****head.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Try making a worthwhile contribution.
>>>
>>>
>>> *** * Try learning to read - ****head. ******
>>
>> So as I was saying a week or so back. Dr. Phil the TV guy would say, "How's
>> that working for you?"
>>
>> The THAT I'm referring to is responding. It's like, ....you know when you
>> pull your uncle's finger that he's going to fart. After the first couple of
>> pulls, the joke's not funny, even though the farts smell different
>> depending
>> on what your uncle had for lunch.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Ty
>
> Ty why don't you get a ****ing room somewhere to post you OT instead
> of cluttering up the audio group with all your off topic bull**** about
> farts and peoples uncles
>
> George

Hey George,

It about nulling phil. That's a worthwhile item on the agenda.

You wanna rank on me fine, I really don't care, but don't impose your wrath
on everyone else in the group. ..you know like you impose yourself by getting
into interminable OT postings about things you can't do anything about? It
just makes you look stupid.

You have something you want to communicate to me, do it by email, off list,
or go kick the cat.

with hopeful respect,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Rivers"

>
> Pretty soon Rule 2817.67.c will kick in and you'll lose your entitlement
to
> post to a USENET NEWSGROUP. (which is not a PUBLIC FORUM)
>


** Usenet newsgroups are very much public forums.

But a the Rivers parrot can only match phrases, never understand
them.





............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Rivers"

>
> Pretty soon Rule 2817.67.c will kick in and you'll lose your entitlement
to
> post to a USENET NEWSGROUP. (which is not a PUBLIC FORUM)
>


** Usenet newsgroups are very much public forums.

But a the Rivers parrot can only match phrases, never understand
them.





............ Phil

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c dickard"
> >
>
> >
> > phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> > must first answer the question i asked you *first*
>
>
> ** I have.
>


when? where?


> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "
>

ok, sure, you're, uh, "entitled" to, but i'm not asking the question,
"who is entitled to 'contribute' to a PUBLIC FORUM". rather, i'm
asking:


phil, why are YOU here, when NO ONE wants you here. you don't add to,
nor do you gain anything from, this public forum.


it's like you came upon a group of people in the park discussing, i
dunno, audio. and you got into the discussion, that you quickly
turned into insults and squabbling. it didn't take long for most of
the people to figure out that you caused more **** than you
"contributions" were worth, so, they started yelling at you, "LEAVE".
then, they started throwing rocks at you. all the while, you keep
saying over and over, "this is a public forum, and anyone is entitled
to contribute" almost as it were a mantra, or more appropriately,
dogma.

keep in mind, phil, i'm not telling you to leave -- indeed, you're
right, no one can *make* you leave.

i'm just curious as to why you stay when no. one. wants. you. here.

could you answer my question now?

phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?


thanks in advance.

your friend,
chris deckard
saint louis mo





>
> Now, answer my two genuine questions - asshole .
>
>
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c dickard"
> >
>
> >
> > phil, if you *really* wait for my answers with "interest", then you
> > must first answer the question i asked you *first*
>
>
> ** I have.
>


when? where?


> " Anyone is entitled to contribute to a PUBLIC FORUM. "
>

ok, sure, you're, uh, "entitled" to, but i'm not asking the question,
"who is entitled to 'contribute' to a PUBLIC FORUM". rather, i'm
asking:


phil, why are YOU here, when NO ONE wants you here. you don't add to,
nor do you gain anything from, this public forum.


it's like you came upon a group of people in the park discussing, i
dunno, audio. and you got into the discussion, that you quickly
turned into insults and squabbling. it didn't take long for most of
the people to figure out that you caused more **** than you
"contributions" were worth, so, they started yelling at you, "LEAVE".
then, they started throwing rocks at you. all the while, you keep
saying over and over, "this is a public forum, and anyone is entitled
to contribute" almost as it were a mantra, or more appropriately,
dogma.

keep in mind, phil, i'm not telling you to leave -- indeed, you're
right, no one can *make* you leave.

i'm just curious as to why you stay when no. one. wants. you. here.

could you answer my question now?

phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?


thanks in advance.

your friend,
chris deckard
saint louis mo





>
> Now, answer my two genuine questions - asshole .
>
>
>
>
>
> ............. Phil

[mr c deckard]

> >
> > Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
> >
>
>
> ** Certainly not wanted buy all the charlatans, spivs and their dupes.
>
> I see you are their self appointed advocate.
>


well, it seems that this whole list is comprised of charlatans, spivs,
and their dupes. not to mention idiots, parrots and one, i'm proud to
say, "dickhard"!

so why do you stay, phil? do you LIKE hanging around charlatans,
spivs and their dupes? idiots, parrots and dickhards?

on top of that, they don't even want you around!

phil, i suggest that the reason you don't directly answer my question
("phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here"), is that
you're ashamed of the answer. which is ok, shame is an important
human emotion.

this is why i suggest that you dismiss this whole list as charlatans,
spivs, and their dupes, parrots, idiots, dickhards, etc., and announce
that you're too good for the likes of us, and be off! you insult us,
AND you save face!

your friend,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[mr c deckard]

> >
> > Entitled or not, you are not wanted by anyone here.
> >
>
>
> ** Certainly not wanted buy all the charlatans, spivs and their dupes.
>
> I see you are their self appointed advocate.
>


well, it seems that this whole list is comprised of charlatans, spivs,
and their dupes. not to mention idiots, parrots and one, i'm proud to
say, "dickhard"!

so why do you stay, phil? do you LIKE hanging around charlatans,
spivs and their dupes? idiots, parrots and dickhards?

on top of that, they don't even want you around!

phil, i suggest that the reason you don't directly answer my question
("phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here"), is that
you're ashamed of the answer. which is ok, shame is an important
human emotion.

this is why i suggest that you dismiss this whole list as charlatans,
spivs, and their dupes, parrots, idiots, dickhards, etc., and announce
that you're too good for the likes of us, and be off! you insult us,
AND you save face!

your friend,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard" = possibly the biggest moron on earth

>
> so why do you stay, phil? do you LIKE hanging around charlatans,
> spivs and their dupes? idiots, parrots and dickhards?



** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.

I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.

Seems they are all in a flap over one person.






............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard" = possibly the biggest moron on earth

>
> so why do you stay, phil? do you LIKE hanging around charlatans,
> spivs and their dupes? idiots, parrots and dickhards?



** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.

I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.

Seems they are all in a flap over one person.






............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard"

> phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>


** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .





............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c deckard"

> phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>


** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .





............. Phil

[Lorin David Schultz]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
news:V9-dnRrwnpftbMrcRVn-
>
> I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty
period
> in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a ****
hole.


I really appreciate your efforts to discourage people from peeing in the
pool. It ****es me off to see you taking heat over it. I've tried to
jump in with a reinforcing remark here and there, but lately I'm not
feeling much like checking in here as much as I used to.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[Lorin David Schultz]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
news:V9-dnRrwnpftbMrcRVn-
>
> I'm truly sorry if I have offended some of us during this really nasty
period
> in rap, but I'm just not ready to let this place be turned into a ****
hole.


I really appreciate your efforts to discourage people from peeing in the
pool. It ****es me off to see you taking heat over it. I've tried to
jump in with a reinforcing remark here and there, but lately I'm not
feeling much like checking in here as much as I used to.

--
"It CAN'T be too loud... some of the red lights aren't even on yet!"
- Lorin David Schultz
in the control room
making even bad news sound good

(Remove spamblock to reply)

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"
>
> > phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
> >
>
>
> ** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
> TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .
>
>

irrelevant to what? irrelevant to that fact that you're ashamed to
answer? if you weren't, you'd have no problem answering.

so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?

answer me honestly, and i'll leave you alone.



chris "dickhard" deckard,
computer chair psychology
"helping trolls get a life since 2003"
saint louis mo

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c deckard"
>
> > phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
> >
>
>
> ** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
> TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .
>
>

irrelevant to what? irrelevant to that fact that you're ashamed to
answer? if you weren't, you'd have no problem answering.

so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?

answer me honestly, and i'll leave you alone.



chris "dickhard" deckard,
computer chair psychology
"helping trolls get a life since 2003"
saint louis mo

[Phil Allison]

"mr c dickard"
> "Phil Allison
>>
>> > phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>>
>> ** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
>> TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .
>>
>
> irrelevant to what?


** It is utterly **irrelevant** who does or does not want me to post here.


> so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>

** Same answer as before:

" ** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.
I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.
Seems they are all in a flap over one person. "


> answer me honestly, and i'll leave you alone.
>


** When did you stop beating your wife, stop rooting your dog, stop
taking hard drugs, get out of jail, get out of that lunatic asylum .....

Answer me *honestly* and I will leave you alone - promise ....




.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"mr c dickard"
> "Phil Allison
>>
>> > phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>>
>> ** Since this is a public forum - your idiotic fake "question" it is
>> TOTALLY IRRELEVANT .
>>
>
> irrelevant to what?


** It is utterly **irrelevant** who does or does not want me to post here.


> so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
>

** Same answer as before:

" ** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.
I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.
Seems they are all in a flap over one person. "


> answer me honestly, and i'll leave you alone.
>


** When did you stop beating your wife, stop rooting your dog, stop
taking hard drugs, get out of jail, get out of that lunatic asylum .....

Answer me *honestly* and I will leave you alone - promise ....




.............. Phil

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c dickard"
> > "Phil Allison
> >>

>
> > so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
> >
>
> ** Same answer as before:
>
> " ** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.
> I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.
> Seems they are all in a flap over one person. "
>


oh, i see, i have to word it just right for you:

so, phil, why do you "pop in" here; why do you post here, when no one
wants you here?


yeah, this is a public forum, and democracy is implied. this group is
an audio-based group by majority rule. majority rules that you're not
welcome here. but you continue to post. where you are not welcome.
not wanted.

are you that lonely?

i suppose you do have a right to be pathetic.

i mean, really, phil. honestly. it's pathetic to keep coming back
and posting where you are actively. not. wanted.


concerned,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[mr c deckard]

"Phil Allison" > wrote in message >...
> "mr c dickard"
> > "Phil Allison
> >>

>
> > so, phil, why do you stay here when no one wants you here?
> >
>
> ** Same answer as before:
>
> " ** I am not staying anywhere - you utter imbecile.
> I just pop in to see what the Parrots, Spivs and Charlatans are up to.
> Seems they are all in a flap over one person. "
>


oh, i see, i have to word it just right for you:

so, phil, why do you "pop in" here; why do you post here, when no one
wants you here?


yeah, this is a public forum, and democracy is implied. this group is
an audio-based group by majority rule. majority rules that you're not
welcome here. but you continue to post. where you are not welcome.
not wanted.

are you that lonely?

i suppose you do have a right to be pathetic.

i mean, really, phil. honestly. it's pathetic to keep coming back
and posting where you are actively. not. wanted.


concerned,
chris "dickhard" deckard
saint louis mo

[Garth]

In article >, "Phil Allison"
> writes:

> Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>than pathetic.

Phil,
Why do you have such a need to be disliked?

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Garth]

In article >, "Phil Allison"
> writes:

> Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>than pathetic.

Phil,
Why do you have such a need to be disliked?

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Phil Allison]

"Garth" <
Phil Alison
>
>> Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly
>>regurgitates
>>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>>than pathetic.
>
> Phil,

> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>
> Garth~
>


** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.



> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."


** I reckon it is astonishing - but no miracle.



........... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Garth" <
Phil Alison
>
>> Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly
>>regurgitates
>>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>>than pathetic.
>
> Phil,

> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>
> Garth~
>


** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.



> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."


** I reckon it is astonishing - but no miracle.



........... Phil

[Garth]

In article >, "Phil Allison"
> writes:

>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
definitely not an honor.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Garth]

In article >, "Phil Allison"
> writes:

>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
definitely not an honor.

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Phil Allison]

"Garth"
"Phil Allison"
>
>
>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.
>
> No its not.


** Sounds like you must be one of their pals.

Asshole in training ?



.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Garth"
"Phil Allison"
>
>
>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.
>
> No its not.


** Sounds like you must be one of their pals.

Asshole in training ?



.............. Phil

[Tommy B]

It's funny Phil, you know about projection right,
you only see what you are. What else is there to say?
Tom


"Garth" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Phil Allison"
> > writes:
>
> >** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.
>
> No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
> definitely not an honor.
>
> Garth~
>
>
> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
> Ed Cherney

[Tommy B]

It's funny Phil, you know about projection right,
you only see what you are. What else is there to say?
Tom


"Garth" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, "Phil Allison"
> > writes:
>
> >** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.
>
> No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
> definitely not an honor.
>
> Garth~
>
>
> "I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
> Ed Cherney

[Harvey Gerst]

> writes:
>
>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

Phil, you confuse "dislike" and "pity". There is a difference.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Harvey Gerst]

> writes:
>
>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

Phil, you confuse "dislike" and "pity". There is a difference.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Harvey Gerst]

"Phil Allison" > wrote:

>
>"Garth"
> "Phil Allison"

>>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

>> No its not.

>** Sounds like you must be one of their pals.
>
> Asshole in training ?
>
>............. Phil

Ah, yet another brilliant example of Phil's pre-pubescent humour. Seems to be
all Phil can talk about lately, asses. I guess we'll have to come down to
Phil's level of understanding to achieve any meaningful dialog:

"Hey Phil, you're a poop poo, ca ca, and you made pee pee in your pants."

Bad Phil, bad. (anybody got a rolled up newspaper?)

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Harvey Gerst]

"Phil Allison" > wrote:

>
>"Garth"
> "Phil Allison"

>>>** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

>> No its not.

>** Sounds like you must be one of their pals.
>
> Asshole in training ?
>
>............. Phil

Ah, yet another brilliant example of Phil's pre-pubescent humour. Seems to be
all Phil can talk about lately, asses. I guess we'll have to come down to
Phil's level of understanding to achieve any meaningful dialog:

"Hey Phil, you're a poop poo, ca ca, and you made pee pee in your pants."

Bad Phil, bad. (anybody got a rolled up newspaper?)

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[hank alrich]

Garth wrote:

> "Phil Allison" writes:

> >** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

> No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
> definitely not an honor.

Philly always wanted to be a weenie but he could never cut the mustard.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Garth wrote:

> "Phil Allison" writes:

> >** Being disliked by complete assholes is an honour.

> No its not. And being disliked by nearly everyone who encounters you is
> definitely not an honor.

Philly always wanted to be a weenie but he could never cut the mustard.

--
ha

[Nathan West]

Phil Allison wrote:

Hey Phil,

I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
you regarding your offensive post. Your history of being a infamously unpopular
and grossly rude person will not work in your favor. Nor will them knowing of
your previous incarnations (like bileup) and the history you amassed under that
pseudonym.

Have a nice day.

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

[Nathan West]

Phil Allison wrote:

Hey Phil,

I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
you regarding your offensive post. Your history of being a infamously unpopular
and grossly rude person will not work in your favor. Nor will them knowing of
your previous incarnations (like bileup) and the history you amassed under that
pseudonym.

Have a nice day.

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

[Ty Ford]

There. That's better.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

There. That's better.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Hey Phil,
>
> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
> you regarding your offensive post.

If you could actually make that happen, you'll be the first. Others
have tried and been ignored. Does your brother own the company?

Phil knows he's untouchable so he can play the jerk and know that
he canb annoy people to his asshole's content.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Hey Phil,
>
> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
> you regarding your offensive post.

If you could actually make that happen, you'll be the first. Others
have tried and been ignored. Does your brother own the company?

Phil knows he's untouchable so he can play the jerk and know that
he canb annoy people to his asshole's content.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Phil Allison]

"Nathan West"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Hey Phil,
>
> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be
> contacting
> you regarding your offensive post.


** I see about 100 far more offensives ones aimed at me.

Hypocrisy here has no bounds.




> Nor will them knowing of
> your previous incarnations (like bileup) and the history you amassed under
> that
> pseudonym.
>


** Never used a pseudonym on any posts in my life.






............ Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Nathan West"
> Phil Allison wrote:
>
> Hey Phil,
>
> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be
> contacting
> you regarding your offensive post.


** I see about 100 far more offensives ones aimed at me.

Hypocrisy here has no bounds.




> Nor will them knowing of
> your previous incarnations (like bileup) and the history you amassed under
> that
> pseudonym.
>


** Never used a pseudonym on any posts in my life.






............ Phil

[Harvey Gerst]

"Phil Allison" > wrote:

>
>"Nathan West"
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> Hey Phil,
>>
>> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be
>> contacting you regarding your offensive post.

> ** I see about 100 far more offensives ones aimed at me.

Phil,

There's a big difference between "aiming at you" and "returning fire in self
defense".

Darn Phil, you really are clueless, aren't you? You call people names and
that's okay - when you do it. But if someone objects, or does it back to you,
you get all bent out of shape and offended. Did you have problems with your
early potty training? You really have some issues that need to be resolved.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Harvey Gerst]

"Phil Allison" > wrote:

>
>"Nathan West"
>> Phil Allison wrote:
>>
>> Hey Phil,
>>
>> I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be
>> contacting you regarding your offensive post.

> ** I see about 100 far more offensives ones aimed at me.

Phil,

There's a big difference between "aiming at you" and "returning fire in self
defense".

Darn Phil, you really are clueless, aren't you? You call people names and
that's okay - when you do it. But if someone objects, or does it back to you,
you get all bent out of shape and offended. Did you have problems with your
early potty training? You really have some issues that need to be resolved.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Nathan West]

PITA is posting under uni.berlin.de, with a TPG address. However he is spoofing his
ISP address by bouncing it through an AOL account. TPG has responded to me, as has
uni.berlin.de. His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit. It
is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation. As one can
imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article > writes:
>
> > Hey Phil,
> >
> > I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
> > you regarding your offensive post.
>
> If you could actually make that happen, you'll be the first. Others
> have tried and been ignored. Does your brother own the company?
>
> Phil knows he's untouchable so he can play the jerk and know that
> he canb annoy people to his asshole's content.
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

[Nathan West]

PITA is posting under uni.berlin.de, with a TPG address. However he is spoofing his
ISP address by bouncing it through an AOL account. TPG has responded to me, as has
uni.berlin.de. His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit. It
is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation. As one can
imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

Mike Rivers wrote:

> In article > writes:
>
> > Hey Phil,
> >
> > I thought I'd let you know that TPG and uni.berlin.de will both be contacting
> > you regarding your offensive post.
>
> If you could actually make that happen, you'll be the first. Others
> have tried and been ignored. Does your brother own the company?
>
> Phil knows he's untouchable so he can play the jerk and know that
> he canb annoy people to his asshole's content.
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

--
Nathan

"Imagine if there were no Hypothetical Situations"

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit.
> It
> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation. As one can
> imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
(ass or otherwise).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit.
> It
> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation. As one can
> imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
(ass or otherwise).



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Phil Allison]

"Nathan West"
>
> PITA is posting under uni.berlin.de, with a TPG address. However he is
> spoofing his
> ISP address by bouncing it through an AOL account.



** Rubbish - I do not have an AOL account.

TPGs newsserver is crap so I changed .





............... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Nathan West"
>
> PITA is posting under uni.berlin.de, with a TPG address. However he is
> spoofing his
> ISP address by bouncing it through an AOL account.



** Rubbish - I do not have an AOL account.

TPGs newsserver is crap so I changed .





............... Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Rivers"

>
> Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one.


** The person that should be kicked of their server is YOU Mike Rivers.

Posting threats of violence like you did is **more** than enough reason.

Harassing folk who are posting on-topic should be too.

The only thing that I am a *menace* to is Mike Rivers bloated ego.





.............. Phil

[Phil Allison]

"Mike Rivers"

>
> Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one.


** The person that should be kicked of their server is YOU Mike Rivers.

Posting threats of violence like you did is **more** than enough reason.

Harassing folk who are posting on-topic should be too.

The only thing that I am a *menace* to is Mike Rivers bloated ego.





.............. Phil

[Melissa M. Dorsey]

In article <znr1097014255k@trad>, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>In article > writes:
>
>> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit.
>> It
>> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation.
As one can
>> imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.
>
>Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
>clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
>(ass or otherwise).
>
I'm not the first to point this out, but...

The proper response to anyone who is abusive and offensive is to ignore the
ill-mannered crap and/or killfile. This would have died down weeks and weeks
ago if everyone had simply refused to play the game.

Shall I bat my girly eyelashes at you all and ask pretty please, since I
can play the girl card? Will it work?

Ah. I thought not.

Doesn't work on Husband either. Curse it.

--Chak

>
>
>--
>I'm really Mike Rivers )
>However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
>lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
>you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
>and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Melissa M. Dorsey]

In article <znr1097014255k@trad>, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>
>In article > writes:
>
>> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit.
>> It
>> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation.
As one can
>> imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.
>
>Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
>clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
>(ass or otherwise).
>
I'm not the first to point this out, but...

The proper response to anyone who is abusive and offensive is to ignore the
ill-mannered crap and/or killfile. This would have died down weeks and weeks
ago if everyone had simply refused to play the game.

Shall I bat my girly eyelashes at you all and ask pretty please, since I
can play the girl card? Will it work?

Ah. I thought not.

Doesn't work on Husband either. Curse it.

--Chak

>
>
>--
>I'm really Mike Rivers )
>However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
>lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
>you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
>and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Bryson]

Garth wrote:
> In article >, "Phil Allison"
> > writes:
>
>
>>Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
>>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>>than pathetic.
>
>
> Phil,
> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>
> Garth~


Because it's still better than how he feels about himself.

[Bryson]

Garth wrote:
> In article >, "Phil Allison"
> > writes:
>
>
>>Dorsey had proved here, over and over, that he has not the slightest
>>****ing interest in the truth. Like Mike Rivers, he mindlessly regurgitates
>>his wildly misunderstood bits of other people's ideas and data. When I
>>challenge him on only the MOST glaring of his errors his answers are worse
>>than pathetic.
>
>
> Phil,
> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>
> Garth~


Because it's still better than how he feels about himself.

[Harvey Gerst]

(Melissa M. Dorsey) wrote:

>In article <znr1097014255k@trad>, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>>In article > writes:

>>> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit. It
>>> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation.
>>> As one can imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

>>Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
>>clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
>>(ass or otherwise).

>I'm not the first to point this out, but...
>
>The proper response to anyone who is abusive and offensive is to ignore the
>ill-mannered crap and/or killfile. This would have died down weeks and weeks
>ago if everyone had simply refused to play the game.
>
>Shall I bat my girly eyelashes at you all and ask pretty please, since I
>can play the girl card? Will it work?
>
>Ah. I thought not.
>
>Doesn't work on Husband either. Curse it.
>
>--Chak

I think Phil said he was married,
But I wonder just what made him choose her?
She was probably free,
And she happened to be
Unconcerned about marrying a loser.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Harvey Gerst]

(Melissa M. Dorsey) wrote:

>In article <znr1097014255k@trad>, Mike Rivers > wrote:
>>In article > writes:

>>> His past is what is catching him as well as the spoof AOL bit. It
>>> is the ISP address from those clued them into his current situation.
>>> As one can imagine, he has an ugly history of being kicked off ISP's.

>>Let's see if he gets kicked off his current one. Then we can start the
>>clock to see how long it takes him to crawl back out of another hole
>>(ass or otherwise).

>I'm not the first to point this out, but...
>
>The proper response to anyone who is abusive and offensive is to ignore the
>ill-mannered crap and/or killfile. This would have died down weeks and weeks
>ago if everyone had simply refused to play the game.
>
>Shall I bat my girly eyelashes at you all and ask pretty please, since I
>can play the girl card? Will it work?
>
>Ah. I thought not.
>
>Doesn't work on Husband either. Curse it.
>
>--Chak

I think Phil said he was married,
But I wonder just what made him choose her?
She was probably free,
And she happened to be
Unconcerned about marrying a loser.

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[Bob Cain]

Bryson wrote:


>> Phil,
>> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>>
>> Garth~
>
> Because it's still better than how he feels about himself.

Oogh! That is really good.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Bryson wrote:


>> Phil,
>> Why do you have such a need to be disliked?
>>
>> Garth~
>
> Because it's still better than how he feels about himself.

Oogh! That is really good.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> ** The person that should be kicked of their server is YOU Mike Rivers.
>
> Posting threats of violence like you did is **more** than enough reason.

Feel free to write . There's a live person there who
will answer your mail if it doesn't look like spam. Drop the asterisks
when you write to her. Be sure to quote the messages with threats of
violence so she can investigate thoroughly, or at least have a good
laugh.

By the way, she is actively pursuing you as an abuser of your ISP's
terms of service.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Tracy Wintermute]

Yep. Them there rivers is a menace, big time. Specially when theys
full of hurry cane rainwater. Them sumbitches'll snag your ass like
multiflora rose on a poodle, and warsh ya away like a woof spider in a
downspout.

But ya know what's is worser? Cricks! Yessir, them damn innocent
lookin little things'd kill ya soon as lookin at ya.



====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[Tracy Wintermute]

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:21:42 -0500, Harvey Gerst
> wrote:

( a nice limerick)

Sorry, but I only do 'cover' limericks; I just don't have the talent
to hang with those who do originals. I usually change a few words
however, in an attempt to avoid paying royalties:

I think Phil said he was married,
But I wonder 'why her, not another'?
She was probably three,
And she happened to be
Unconcerned about marrying her brother.

(apologies to Harvey....)



====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[Harvey Gerst]

Tracy Wintermute > wrote:

>On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 00:21:42 -0500, Harvey Gerst
> wrote:
>
>( a nice limerick)
>
>Sorry, but I only do 'cover' limericks; I just don't have the talent
>to hang with those who do originals. I usually change a few words
>however, in an attempt to avoid paying royalties:
>
>I think Phil said he was married,
>But I wonder 'why her, not another'?
>She was probably three,
>And she happened to be
>Unconcerned about marrying her brother.
>
>(apologies to Harvey....)

Tracy,

I like your version better (but unfortunately, my publisher says I still get all
the royalties from it because your work is a "derivative").

Harvey Gerst
Indian Trail Recording Studio
http://www.ITRstudio.com/

[hank alrich]

Tracy Wintermute wrote:

> But ya know what's is worser? Cricks! Yessir, them damn innocent
> lookin little things'd kill ya soon as lookin at ya.

If'n ever ya git two of 'em in yo' neck atta same time you's done fo'.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Harvey Gerst wrote:

> I like your version better (but unfortunately, my publisher says I still
> get all the royalties from it because your work is a "derivative").

Tracy shoulda used dither. I tried to tell him.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Bryson wrote:

> Because it's still better than how he feels about himself.

So the asstoriskiness is 'cause he types with his nose while feeling
about himself.

--
ha

[Mike Diack]

(hank alrich) wrote in news:1gla5wk.1n05goless42qN%
:

> Harvey Gerst wrote:
>
>> I like your version better (but unfortunately, my publisher says I still
>> get all the royalties from it because your work is a "derivative").
>
> Tracy shoulda used dither. I tried to tell him.

Then it would have been ditheritave...
M

[Tracy Wintermute]

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 05:49:41 -0500, Harvey Gerst
> wrote:

>Tracy,
>
>I like your version better (but unfortunately, my publisher says I still get all
>the royalties from it because your work is a "derivative").
>
>Harvey Gerst
>Indian Trail Recording Studio
>http://www.ITRstudio.com/


Aw shucks... thanks!

Now I know how Hendrix must have felt after releasing 'All Along the
Watchtower.' <g>

The check's in the mail....

Just curious; are you affiliated with:

ASsCrAP

or

BM? Aye!

????

I'm with LTCMUTOS.
(Leeches That Can't Make Up Their Own Stuff)



====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[Tracy Wintermute]

On Thu, 07 Oct 2004 18:03:28 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Tracy Wintermute wrote:
>
>> But ya know what's is worser? Cricks! Yessir, them damn innocent
>> lookin little things'd kill ya soon as lookin at ya.
>
>If'n ever ya git two of 'em in yo' neck atta same time you's done fo'.

DCNS (Dubble Crick Neck Sindrum) is the leading cause of
Cantankerousness among sister-moms ages 11 to 23.
Founded that out wif my higher learnding edjumacation in grade sevvum.


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[jerry]

speaking of learnded edjucationin', I 'erd at eu cun bewildir yir
brain wi teu mush activitizenin' if eu gitit riz el benin trosher ala
phil