I tried...

[Dave Martin]

Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
NOTHING to do with audio.

I tried to weed out a few unpleasant individuals with a kill file, but
several of the very worst offenders on the political yammering threads are
also guys whose opinions I value when discussing audio. And people who I've
met and liked. Since I'd lose the benefits of their knowledge and experience
by killfiling them.I hesitated to do so. But an audio newsgroup with more
than half of the posts completely unrelated to anything even approaching
audio subjects is worthless to me. So, I'll leave y'all to it.

This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
don't come here anymore.

--
Dave Martin
Java Jive Studio
Nashville, TN
www.javajivestudio.com

[Jay Kadis]

In article . net>,
"Dave Martin" > wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
> you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
> single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
> to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
> your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
> debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
> pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
> NOTHING to do with audio.
>
> I tried to weed out a few unpleasant individuals with a kill file, but
> several of the very worst offenders on the political yammering threads are
> also guys whose opinions I value when discussing audio. And people who I've
> met and liked. Since I'd lose the benefits of their knowledge and experience
> by killfiling them.I hesitated to do so. But an audio newsgroup with more
> than half of the posts completely unrelated to anything even approaching
> audio subjects is worthless to me. So, I'll leave y'all to it.
>
> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.


I'm afraid it's just a reflection of our greater "society" these days. I use
MT-Newswatcher and can easily avoid threads that are not of interest.
Admittedly it's harder from home on a 56k dial-up, but it really doesn't
completely disable the audio content.

To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't really
want to see it but can't seem to look away. The old neighborhood is still there
underneath the crap that floats to the top. We've gone through periods of
disruption before and got back eventually.

[Anyway, if you leave, the terrorists win.]

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Jay Kadis]

In article . net>,
"Dave Martin" > wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
> you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
> single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
> to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
> your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
> debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
> pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
> NOTHING to do with audio.
>
> I tried to weed out a few unpleasant individuals with a kill file, but
> several of the very worst offenders on the political yammering threads are
> also guys whose opinions I value when discussing audio. And people who I've
> met and liked. Since I'd lose the benefits of their knowledge and experience
> by killfiling them.I hesitated to do so. But an audio newsgroup with more
> than half of the posts completely unrelated to anything even approaching
> audio subjects is worthless to me. So, I'll leave y'all to it.
>
> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.


I'm afraid it's just a reflection of our greater "society" these days. I use
MT-Newswatcher and can easily avoid threads that are not of interest.
Admittedly it's harder from home on a 56k dial-up, but it really doesn't
completely disable the audio content.

To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't really
want to see it but can't seem to look away. The old neighborhood is still there
underneath the crap that floats to the top. We've gone through periods of
disruption before and got back eventually.

[Anyway, if you leave, the terrorists win.]

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message...

> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.

It's almost over, Dave. Please hang in there until at least Christmas.
I value your input.


--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message...

> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.

It's almost over, Dave. Please hang in there until at least Christmas.
I value your input.


--
David Morgan (MAMS)
http://www.m-a-m-s DOT com
Morgan Audio Media Service
Dallas, Texas (214) 662-9901
_______________________________________
http://www.artisan-recordingstudio.com

[Don Cooper]

Dave Martin wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out.


I respect your opinion, Dave. I did really enjoy your *one* OT post of a
week or so ago.

Quality, not quantity, I suppose.

[Don Cooper]

Dave Martin wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out.


I respect your opinion, Dave. I did really enjoy your *one* OT post of a
week or so ago.

Quality, not quantity, I suppose.

[hank alrich]

Jay Kadis wrote:

> I'm afraid it's just a reflection of our greater "society" these days. I use
> MT-Newswatcher and can easily avoid threads that are not of interest.
> Admittedly it's harder from home on a 56k dial-up, but it really doesn't
> completely disable the audio content.

Same for MacSOUP, which keeps RAP feasible on a dialup.

> To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
> really want to see it but can't seem to look away. The old neighborhood
> is still there underneath the crap that floats to the top. We've gone
> through periods of disruption before and got back eventually.

But this is wilder, so the journey will take longer.

> [Anyway, if you leave, the terrorists win.]

Depends a lot on where Dave sources his coffee beans. Fair trade
organic beans are anti terrorist. They are also probably anit
BigPigCapitalist, but that's a diffeertn argument. Oh, wait...

<g>

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Jay Kadis wrote:

> I'm afraid it's just a reflection of our greater "society" these days. I use
> MT-Newswatcher and can easily avoid threads that are not of interest.
> Admittedly it's harder from home on a 56k dial-up, but it really doesn't
> completely disable the audio content.

Same for MacSOUP, which keeps RAP feasible on a dialup.

> To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
> really want to see it but can't seem to look away. The old neighborhood
> is still there underneath the crap that floats to the top. We've gone
> through periods of disruption before and got back eventually.

But this is wilder, so the journey will take longer.

> [Anyway, if you leave, the terrorists win.]

Depends a lot on where Dave sources his coffee beans. Fair trade
organic beans are anti terrorist. They are also probably anit
BigPigCapitalist, but that's a diffeertn argument. Oh, wait...

<g>

--
ha

[playon]

Dave, I'm personally very sorry that you feel this way. I know I have
been one of the people most resposible for political posts in the last
few months. However unlike yourself, I am sort of proud that
rec.audio.pro has so many intelligent regulars who care enough about
what is happening in the world and in the USA, that they will talk
passionately about these issues, which seem so pressing. And, while
we also continue to talk about bass traps and microphones and computer
systems, at times these topics can seem less important in the "big
picture". I think the reason people like to air their political
gripes in here in RAP is that they know they are among people who they
know or who they feel will understand them... kind of a like your
favorite bar or coffee shop, but without the drinks.

Personally, I'm going to try to do a little better in the future. I
certainly prefer your reasoned approach to Ty's attempts at playing
cop.

Al


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:32:47 GMT, "Dave Martin" >
wrote:

>Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
>place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
>newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
>you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
>single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
>to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
>your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
>debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
>pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
>NOTHING to do with audio.
>
>I tried to weed out a few unpleasant individuals with a kill file, but
>several of the very worst offenders on the political yammering threads are
>also guys whose opinions I value when discussing audio. And people who I've
>met and liked. Since I'd lose the benefits of their knowledge and experience
>by killfiling them.I hesitated to do so. But an audio newsgroup with more
>than half of the posts completely unrelated to anything even approaching
>audio subjects is worthless to me. So, I'll leave y'all to it.
>
>This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
>time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
>don't come here anymore.

[playon]

Dave, I'm personally very sorry that you feel this way. I know I have
been one of the people most resposible for political posts in the last
few months. However unlike yourself, I am sort of proud that
rec.audio.pro has so many intelligent regulars who care enough about
what is happening in the world and in the USA, that they will talk
passionately about these issues, which seem so pressing. And, while
we also continue to talk about bass traps and microphones and computer
systems, at times these topics can seem less important in the "big
picture". I think the reason people like to air their political
gripes in here in RAP is that they know they are among people who they
know or who they feel will understand them... kind of a like your
favorite bar or coffee shop, but without the drinks.

Personally, I'm going to try to do a little better in the future. I
certainly prefer your reasoned approach to Ty's attempts at playing
cop.

Al


On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 16:32:47 GMT, "Dave Martin" >
wrote:

>Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
>place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
>newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
>you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
>single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
>to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
>your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
>debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
>pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
>NOTHING to do with audio.
>
>I tried to weed out a few unpleasant individuals with a kill file, but
>several of the very worst offenders on the political yammering threads are
>also guys whose opinions I value when discussing audio. And people who I've
>met and liked. Since I'd lose the benefits of their knowledge and experience
>by killfiling them.I hesitated to do so. But an audio newsgroup with more
>than half of the posts completely unrelated to anything even approaching
>audio subjects is worthless to me. So, I'll leave y'all to it.
>
>This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
>time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
>don't come here anymore.

[Don Cooper]

playon wrote:

> I know I have
> been one of the people most resposible for political posts in the last
> few months.

> Personally, I'm going to try to do a little better in the future. I
> certainly prefer your reasoned approach to Ty's attempts at playing
> cop.


Some people like to fight. You're not one of them. Nor am I.

The KF has helped. Helped my blood pressure, anyway.

[Don Cooper]

playon wrote:

> I know I have
> been one of the people most resposible for political posts in the last
> few months.

> Personally, I'm going to try to do a little better in the future. I
> certainly prefer your reasoned approach to Ty's attempts at playing
> cop.


Some people like to fight. You're not one of them. Nor am I.

The KF has helped. Helped my blood pressure, anyway.

[Pooh Bear]

Dave Martin wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
> you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
> single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
> to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
> your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
> debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
> pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
> NOTHING to do with audio.
>

< snip >

I sympathise but there's a counter argument to that. The regular posters are
probably interested in the views of those that they know from here.

Maybe there should be an rec.audio.pro.opinion group ?

Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Dave Martin wrote:

> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own political leanings,
> you've alienated a huge part of the readership. None of you have changed a
> single mind about their political leanings, or the person that they're going
> to vote for, yet you've taken up an inordinate amount of bandwidth defending
> your opinions (usually by attacking others). There's much less 'reasoned
> debate' here than there used to be, and a whole lot more yelling and finger
> pointing. And the bulk of this yelling and finger-pointing has absolutely
> NOTHING to do with audio.
>

< snip >

I sympathise but there's a counter argument to that. The regular posters are
probably interested in the views of those that they know from here.

Maybe there should be an rec.audio.pro.opinion group ?

Graham

[Particle Salad]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup,

Dave, I enjoy your posts, but you seem to have forgotten about how to use
killfiles.. granted, I do agree the banter is too much, but you can only
change what you can change.

[Particle Salad]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message
link.net...
> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most unpleasant
> place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet is a world wide
> newsgroup,

Dave, I enjoy your posts, but you seem to have forgotten about how to use
killfiles.. granted, I do agree the banter is too much, but you can only
change what you can change.

[Jeff Snider]

>Dave, I enjoy your posts, but you seem to have forgotten about how to use
>killfiles.. granted, I do agree the banter is too much, but you can only
>change what you can change.

Sounds to me like that's what he's doing...

Jeff Snider

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981

[Jeff Snider]

>Dave, I enjoy your posts, but you seem to have forgotten about how to use
>killfiles.. granted, I do agree the banter is too much, but you can only
>change what you can change.

Sounds to me like that's what he's doing...

Jeff Snider

"640K ought to be enough for anybody."
-- Bill Gates, 1981

[George]

In article >, "David O'H" <.> wrote:

> Dave, we'll miss you.
>
> "Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
> ...
> > To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
> really
> > want to see it but can't seem to look away.
>
> Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
> my audio mixed with US politics.
>
> there is not such thing a local politics at a national level
US politics is world politics, just as french politics or german
politics are world politics
we all share this big blue ball
about time we started acting liked neighboors
George

[George]

In article >, "David O'H" <.> wrote:

> Dave, we'll miss you.
>
> "Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
> ...
> > To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
> really
> > want to see it but can't seem to look away.
>
> Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
> my audio mixed with US politics.
>
> there is not such thing a local politics at a national level
US politics is world politics, just as french politics or german
politics are world politics
we all share this big blue ball
about time we started acting liked neighboors
George

[David O'H]

Dave, we'll miss you.

"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
...
> To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
really
> want to see it but can't seem to look away.

Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
my audio mixed with US politics.

Dave O'Heare
oheareATmagmaDOTca

[David O'H]

Dave, we'll miss you.

"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
...
> To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
really
> want to see it but can't seem to look away.

Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
my audio mixed with US politics.

Dave O'Heare
oheareATmagmaDOTca

[Blind Joni]

>Some people like to fight. You're not one of them. Nor am I.
>

Scroll through and see how many political threads start with
some..(Al)..posting news reports he thinks are interesting to us all..
somebody do a search and see who starts all these discussions...I am an idiot
and don't know how to do it.



John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>Some people like to fight. You're not one of them. Nor am I.
>

Scroll through and see how many political threads start with
some..(Al)..posting news reports he thinks are interesting to us all..
somebody do a search and see who starts all these discussions...I am an idiot
and don't know how to do it.



John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[playon]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:36:02 GMT, "Kent Kingery" >
wrote:

>In the end, I've learned to just skip over the titles of threads I assume
>are going to be of minimal value to me.

A rare talent, apparently.

[playon]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:36:02 GMT, "Kent Kingery" >
wrote:

>In the end, I've learned to just skip over the titles of threads I assume
>are going to be of minimal value to me.

A rare talent, apparently.

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> Scroll through and see how many political threads start with
> some..(Al)..posting news reports he thinks are interesting to us all..
> somebody do a search and see who starts all these discussions...I am an idiot
> and don't know how to do it.


The goal of doing this would be....?

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> Scroll through and see how many political threads start with
> some..(Al)..posting news reports he thinks are interesting to us all..
> somebody do a search and see who starts all these discussions...I am an idiot
> and don't know how to do it.


The goal of doing this would be....?

[Rob Reedijk]

Dave Martin > wrote:

> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.

Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
here because of the noise. I will start the list:

John Breglia
Jay Kahrs


These are among the people whose posts I miss.

We are all looking for some magic bullet to deal with the problem. Might
I suggest that those of you who care, really just try your best to not
post followups to any of the real problem areas---politics, or just the
insulting stuff like Phil A.?

That's one way to lower noise. People feed on the reaction their
controversial posts create. If you ignore them, they are more likely
to go away.

Also, if you want to improve S/N the other way is to increase the signal.
Make an effort to actually post audio recording relevant material.

I know, it has all been said before. But can't we get a list going of
former RAPers we would like to see come back?

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

Dave Martin > wrote:

> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> don't come here anymore.

Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
here because of the noise. I will start the list:

John Breglia
Jay Kahrs


These are among the people whose posts I miss.

We are all looking for some magic bullet to deal with the problem. Might
I suggest that those of you who care, really just try your best to not
post followups to any of the real problem areas---politics, or just the
insulting stuff like Phil A.?

That's one way to lower noise. People feed on the reaction their
controversial posts create. If you ignore them, they are more likely
to go away.

Also, if you want to improve S/N the other way is to increase the signal.
Make an effort to actually post audio recording relevant material.

I know, it has all been said before. But can't we get a list going of
former RAPers we would like to see come back?

Rob R.

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Rob Reedijk > wrote:
>Dave Martin > wrote:
>
>> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
>> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
>> don't come here anymore.
>
>Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
>here because of the noise. I will start the list:

This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
interesting. It was created by Gabe Weiner mostly as a result of the huge
drop in S/N here in the mid-1990s.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Rob Reedijk > wrote:
>Dave Martin > wrote:
>
>> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
>> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
>> don't come here anymore.
>
>Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
>here because of the noise. I will start the list:

This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
interesting. It was created by Gabe Weiner mostly as a result of the huge
drop in S/N here in the mid-1990s.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Phil Nelson]

George wrote:
> In article >, "David O'H" <.> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave, we'll miss you.
>>
>>"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
>>
>>really
>>
>>>want to see it but can't seem to look away.
>>
>>Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
>>my audio mixed with US politics.
>>
>>there is not such thing a local politics at a national level
>
> US politics is world politics, just as french politics or german
> politics are world politics
> we all share this big blue ball
> about time we started acting liked neighboors
> George

That's pretty funny coming from someone whose posts are more or
less indistinguishable from OT trolls.

--
Phil Nelson

[Phil Nelson]

George wrote:
> In article >, "David O'H" <.> wrote:
>
>
>>Dave, we'll miss you.
>>
>>"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>To some degree, the political threads are like a car wreck: you don't
>>
>>really
>>
>>>want to see it but can't seem to look away.
>>
>>Jay, I can look away. I don't care, I'm not in the US, and I *don't* want
>>my audio mixed with US politics.
>>
>>there is not such thing a local politics at a national level
>
> US politics is world politics, just as french politics or german
> politics are world politics
> we all share this big blue ball
> about time we started acting liked neighboors
> George

That's pretty funny coming from someone whose posts are more or
less indistinguishable from OT trolls.

--
Phil Nelson

[L David Matheny]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message link.net...
> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most
> unpleasant place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet
> is a world wide newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own
> political leanings, you've alienated a huge part of the readership.
<snip>

It should get better after the U.S. election is over.

[L David Matheny]

"Dave Martin" > wrote in message link.net...
> Guys, a very small group of you have made this newsgroup a most
> unpleasant place to hang out. You seem to have forgotten that usenet
> is a world wide newsgroup, and by hijacking it to promote your own
> political leanings, you've alienated a huge part of the readership.
<snip>

It should get better after the U.S. election is over.

[Blind Joni]

>Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
>recommend.

Where is this?
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
>recommend.

Where is this?
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>The goal of doing this would be....?

Maybe none..but if the threads don't start they won't exist. I participate but
have never started an OT thread.




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>The goal of doing this would be....?

Maybe none..but if the threads don't start they won't exist. I participate but
have never started an OT thread.




John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> >The goal of doing this would be....?
>
> Maybe none..but if the threads don't start they won't exist. I participate but
> have never started an OT thread.


<giving props>

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> >The goal of doing this would be....?
>
> Maybe none..but if the threads don't start they won't exist. I participate but
> have never started an OT thread.


<giving props>

[Don Cooper]

L David Matheny wrote:

> It should get better after the U.S. election is over.


I agree.

[Don Cooper]

L David Matheny wrote:

> It should get better after the U.S. election is over.


I agree.

[mr c deckard]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> Rob Reedijk > wrote:
> >Dave Martin > wrote:
> >
> >> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> >> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> >> don't come here anymore.
> >
> >Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
> >here because of the noise. I will start the list:
>
> This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
> Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
> recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
> interesting. It was created by Gabe Weiner mostly as a result of the huge
> drop in S/N here in the mid-1990s.
> --scott



how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
gelled with it .. .

chris deckard
saint louis mo

[mr c deckard]

(Scott Dorsey) wrote in message >...
> In article >,
> Rob Reedijk > wrote:
> >Dave Martin > wrote:
> >
> >> This used to be a nice neighborhood - one where I spent probably too much
> >> time.Not anymore. Instead, add my name to the very long list of folks who
> >> don't come here anymore.
> >
> >Ahh, the list. Let's start it up. The list of people who stopped posting
> >here because of the noise. I will start the list:
>
> This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
> Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
> recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
> interesting. It was created by Gabe Weiner mostly as a result of the huge
> drop in S/N here in the mid-1990s.
> --scott



how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
gelled with it .. .

chris deckard
saint louis mo

[Kent Kingery]

"L David Matheny" > wrote in message
...

> It should get better after the U.S. election is over.

Given the decidedly anti-Bush sentiment in most of the political threads, it
may only get worse if he wins...

Kent

[Kent Kingery]

"L David Matheny" > wrote in message
...

> It should get better after the U.S. election is over.

Given the decidedly anti-Bush sentiment in most of the political threads, it
may only get worse if he wins...

Kent

[George]

In article >,
"Kent Kingery" > wrote:

> "L David Matheny" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > It should get better after the U.S. election is over.
>
> Given the decidedly anti-Bush sentiment in most of the political threads, it
> may only get worse if he wins...
>
> Kent
>
>

not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
tunnel is the on coming train wreck
not the chance to make a diffrence
if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
George

[George]

In article >,
"Kent Kingery" > wrote:

> "L David Matheny" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > It should get better after the U.S. election is over.
>
> Given the decidedly anti-Bush sentiment in most of the political threads, it
> may only get worse if he wins...
>
> Kent
>
>

not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
tunnel is the on coming train wreck
not the chance to make a diffrence
if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
George

[Blind Joni]

>not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
>tunnel is the on coming train wreck
>not the chance to make a diffrence
>if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
>resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
>ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
>and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
>George

Your right..you will make no difference with this perspective..I would choose
another..not giving up personal power to the government.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
>tunnel is the on coming train wreck
>not the chance to make a diffrence
>if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
>resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
>ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
>and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
>George

Your right..you will make no difference with this perspective..I would choose
another..not giving up personal power to the government.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list?

Go to http://www.recordist.com and follow your nose.

I used to be a fairly active participant, but something happened and I
am no longer able to post to it. I've subscribed using different
addresses and been told that I'm on the "approved poster" list and it
still doesn't like me. Must be because I'm a parrott.

So if you want to go someplace where I'm not, try there. (I still get
the digest and read it, I just can't put in my two cents)

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list?

Go to http://www.recordist.com and follow your nose.

I used to be a fairly active participant, but something happened and I
am no longer able to post to it. I've subscribed using different
addresses and been told that I'm on the "approved poster" list and it
still doesn't like me. Must be because I'm a parrott.

So if you want to go someplace where I'm not, try there. (I still get
the digest and read it, I just can't put in my two cents)

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Scott Dorsey]

mr c deckard > wrote:
>
>how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
>are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
>fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
>gelled with it .. .

I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
_is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

mr c deckard > wrote:
>
>how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
>are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
>fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
>gelled with it .. .

I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
_is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Pete Dimsman]

Scott Dorsey wrote:


> I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
> _is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.
> --scott
>

Exactly. Think the Seinfeld episode with "the committee".

I certainly wouldn't want to belong to any group that would have me.. :)

[Pete Dimsman]

Scott Dorsey wrote:


> I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
> _is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.
> --scott
>

Exactly. Think the Seinfeld episode with "the committee".

I certainly wouldn't want to belong to any group that would have me.. :)

[playon]

On 24 Sep 2004 00:33:43 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:

>>not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
>>tunnel is the on coming train wreck
>>not the chance to make a diffrence
>>if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
>>resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
>>ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
>>and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
>>George
>
>Your right..you will make no difference with this perspective..I would choose
>another..not giving up personal power to the government.

You've already given it up, you just haven't figured it out yet.

Al

[playon]

On 24 Sep 2004 00:33:43 GMT, (Blind Joni) wrote:

>>not reallly beacuse at that point the only light at the end of the
>>tunnel is the on coming train wreck
>>not the chance to make a diffrence
>>if bush wins, legitmatly this time, I think you will see the left
>>resigned to the fact that the country has choosen moral bankruptcy over
>>ethics, war over peace, and self delusion over enlightenment
>>and nothing can change that until 4 years of penance is paid
>>George
>
>Your right..you will make no difference with this perspective..I would choose
>another..not giving up personal power to the government.

You've already given it up, you just haven't figured it out yet.

Al

[Bob Cain]

Scott Dorsey wrote:


> This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
> Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
> recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
> interesting.

And gets an average of about a post a week. When threads do
start they tend not to be just theoretical but more about
angels dancing on pins. That's what happens when it gets
down to mostly just the good ol' boys stroking each other.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Scott Dorsey wrote:


> This list is enormous and has hundreds of people on it, if not thousands.
> Many of them have migrated to the pro-audio mailing list, which I can
> recommend. It tends to be a lot on the theoretical side, but it is still
> interesting.

And gets an average of about a post a week. When threads do
start they tend not to be just theoretical but more about
angels dancing on pins. That's what happens when it gets
down to mostly just the good ol' boys stroking each other.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> mr c deckard > wrote:
>
>>how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
>>are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
>>fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
>>gelled with it .. .
>
>
> I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
> _is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.


From the list trailer:

==For info on Pro-Audio, send 'info pro-audio' to
===


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Scott Dorsey wrote:

> mr c deckard > wrote:
>
>>how does one subscribe to the pro-audio mailing list? what forums
>>are people going to -- i've checked out prosoundweb, but it seems too
>>fragmented . . . kinda looked into the tapeop forum, just haven't
>>gelled with it .. .
>
>
> I think a subscribe request to will do it. It
> _is_ moderated pretty strongly, though.


From the list trailer:

==For info on Pro-Audio, send 'info pro-audio' to
===


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Blind Joni]

>You've already given it up, you just haven't figured it out yet.
>

No Al..I haven't. People insist that others "do" things to them and I don't
subscribe to that view. I don't "do" things to others..I live my life..it's
all your perspective..which can be controlled. I would rather have
conversations about possibility than abouthand wringing and blaming. All the
good things I can think of comes from these kinds of conversations.

George doesn't have to choose moral bankruptcy, war(fighting) or any self
delusion...how you judge that is a little murky to me..he just seems to like
being ****ed..seems tiring to me.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>You've already given it up, you just haven't figured it out yet.
>

No Al..I haven't. People insist that others "do" things to them and I don't
subscribe to that view. I don't "do" things to others..I live my life..it's
all your perspective..which can be controlled. I would rather have
conversations about possibility than abouthand wringing and blaming. All the
good things I can think of comes from these kinds of conversations.

George doesn't have to choose moral bankruptcy, war(fighting) or any self
delusion...how you judge that is a little murky to me..he just seems to like
being ****ed..seems tiring to me.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> George doesn't have to choose moral bankruptcy, war(fighting) or any self
> delusion...how you judge that is a little murky to me..he just seems to like
> being ****ed..seems tiring to me.


That's why I'm voting for John.

But, I'm just one person in a battleground state.

[Don Cooper]

Blind Joni wrote:

> George doesn't have to choose moral bankruptcy, war(fighting) or any self
> delusion...how you judge that is a little murky to me..he just seems to like
> being ****ed..seems tiring to me.


That's why I'm voting for John.

But, I'm just one person in a battleground state.