Re: The hijacking of rec.audio.pro

[Don Cooper]

Paul wrote:

> Sep 21, 2004 Commander In Cheif (2 articles) WillStG


Told ya he couldn't spell.


> Sep 21, 2004 OT / Bush refused direct orders while in Guard (325
> articles) Don Cooper



Do I get the $50,000?

[George]

In article >,
Don Cooper > wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>
> > Sep 21, 2004 Commander In Cheif (2 articles) WillStG
>
>
> Told ya he couldn't spell.
>
>
> > Sep 21, 2004 OT / Bush refused direct orders while in Guard (325
> > articles) Don Cooper
>
>
>
> Do I get the $50,000?

Don I think that was one of the few I actually started
But we can share the prize money :-)
George

[George]

In article >,
Don Cooper > wrote:

> Paul wrote:
>
> > Sep 21, 2004 Commander In Cheif (2 articles) WillStG
>
>
> Told ya he couldn't spell.
>
>
> > Sep 21, 2004 OT / Bush refused direct orders while in Guard (325
> > articles) Don Cooper
>
>
>
> Do I get the $50,000?

Don I think that was one of the few I actually started
But we can share the prize money :-)
George

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.

In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.

Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.

In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.

Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Wayne]

>In article >
writes:
>
>> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
>> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
>> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
>In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
>than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
>don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
>scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.
>
>Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
>headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.
>
>--
>I'm really Mike Rivers )
>
>
Yea, a worthwhile and meaningful comment.

My killfile is taking up a lotsa space and is added to daily. It would be nice
to see and read topics that relate this newsgroup.

"Professional audio recording and studio engineering" is what the description
reads.


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>In article >
writes:
>
>> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
>> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
>> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
>In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
>than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
>don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
>scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.
>
>Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
>headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.
>
>--
>I'm really Mike Rivers )
>
>
Yea, a worthwhile and meaningful comment.

My killfile is taking up a lotsa space and is added to daily. It would be nice
to see and read topics that relate this newsgroup.

"Professional audio recording and studio engineering" is what the description
reads.


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Jordan Leff]

I haven't contributed to the political discourse here but I don't
believe that it is a matter of rec.audio.pro being "hijacked".

I write to, follow, lurk, troll, etc. several newsgroups and I have
done so for many years .... this year definitely does feel different
.... ALL the newsgroups I follow have been recently inundated with
political discussion, ramblings, flames, etc.

So, rec.audio.pro, as special as it is, is no different.

While I do think it is better to have separate groups for off-topic
stuff (thanks Ty, etc !), I have come to believe that we are in a
very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
not been in a long time -- and it is reflected in every aspect of our
society, from the internet, to the nightly news, to the protests in
the streets.

I am going with the flow because the nation is abuzz and people
everywhere can't help themselves from discussing the future ... I
personally don't consider that a "hijacking", I consider it a symptom
of the state of our union.

But, hopefully, things will calm down after the election/next war/next
outrage and we can get back to attacking the release and thresholding
the ratio !

Cheers,
Jordan

(Paul) wrote in message >...
> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul

[Jordan Leff]

I haven't contributed to the political discourse here but I don't
believe that it is a matter of rec.audio.pro being "hijacked".

I write to, follow, lurk, troll, etc. several newsgroups and I have
done so for many years .... this year definitely does feel different
.... ALL the newsgroups I follow have been recently inundated with
political discussion, ramblings, flames, etc.

So, rec.audio.pro, as special as it is, is no different.

While I do think it is better to have separate groups for off-topic
stuff (thanks Ty, etc !), I have come to believe that we are in a
very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
not been in a long time -- and it is reflected in every aspect of our
society, from the internet, to the nightly news, to the protests in
the streets.

I am going with the flow because the nation is abuzz and people
everywhere can't help themselves from discussing the future ... I
personally don't consider that a "hijacking", I consider it a symptom
of the state of our union.

But, hopefully, things will calm down after the election/next war/next
outrage and we can get back to attacking the release and thresholding
the ratio !

Cheers,
Jordan

(Paul) wrote in message >...
> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul

[Lars Farm]

Jordan Leff > wrote:

> I have come to believe that we are in a
> very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
> not been in a long time --

What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?

Lars


--
lars farm // http://www.farm.se

[Lars Farm]

Jordan Leff > wrote:

> I have come to believe that we are in a
> very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
> not been in a long time --

What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?

Lars


--
lars farm // http://www.farm.se

[Jay Kadis]

In article <1gkjcve.12vnvko100lh1wN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se>,
(Lars Farm) wrote:

> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>
> > I have come to believe that we are in a
> > very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
> > not been in a long time --
>
> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?
>
> Lars

Probably the same thing that powers so many Americans' view of the world: myopia.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Jay Kadis]

In article <1gkjcve.12vnvko100lh1wN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se>,
(Lars Farm) wrote:

> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>
> > I have come to believe that we are in a
> > very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
> > not been in a long time --
>
> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?
>
> Lars

Probably the same thing that powers so many Americans' view of the world: myopia.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Don Cooper]

Jordan Leff wrote:

> While I do think it is better to have separate groups for off-topic
> stuff (thanks Ty, etc !),


What did Ty do, again?

[Don Cooper]

Jordan Leff wrote:

> While I do think it is better to have separate groups for off-topic
> stuff (thanks Ty, etc !),


What did Ty do, again?

[TheCatsPjamas]

(Paul) wrote in message
>...

>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul


We can all leave rec.audio. pro and go to rec.audio. misc.* Leave the
OT posting here at .pro.

Then when OT threads follow us to .misc, we jump back to .pro.

If they follow us back to .pro... more severe measures will need to be
taken. We will have to jump to .opinion and let the locals there eat
our OT posters alive.

Peter

[TheCatsPjamas]

(Paul) wrote in message
>...

>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul


We can all leave rec.audio. pro and go to rec.audio. misc.* Leave the
OT posting here at .pro.

Then when OT threads follow us to .misc, we jump back to .pro.

If they follow us back to .pro... more severe measures will need to be
taken. We will have to jump to .opinion and let the locals there eat
our OT posters alive.

Peter

[killermike]

Lars Farm wrote:
> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>
>>I have come to believe that we are in a
>>very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
>>not been in a long time --
>
> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?

Spot on comment.

--
***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s)
np:
http://www.unmusic.co.uk
http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s-faq.html - alt.music.home-studio FAQ
http://www.unmusic.co.uk/wrap.php?file=vhs.html - vhs purchase log.

[killermike]

Lars Farm wrote:
> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>
>>I have come to believe that we are in a
>>very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
>>not been in a long time --
>
> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?

Spot on comment.

--
***My real address is m/ike at u/nmusic d/ot co dot u/k (removing /s)
np:
http://www.unmusic.co.uk
http://www.unmusic.co.uk/amh-s-faq.html - alt.music.home-studio FAQ
http://www.unmusic.co.uk/wrap.php?file=vhs.html - vhs purchase log.

[Don Cooper]

TheCatsPjamas wrote:

> We can all leave rec.audio. pro and go to rec.audio. misc.* Leave the
> OT posting here at .pro.
>
> Then when OT threads follow us to .misc, we jump back to .pro.
>
> If they follow us back to .pro... more severe measures will need to be
> taken. We will have to jump to .opinion and let the locals there eat
> our OT posters alive.


Pure genius.

You start.

[Don Cooper]

TheCatsPjamas wrote:

> We can all leave rec.audio. pro and go to rec.audio. misc.* Leave the
> OT posting here at .pro.
>
> Then when OT threads follow us to .misc, we jump back to .pro.
>
> If they follow us back to .pro... more severe measures will need to be
> taken. We will have to jump to .opinion and let the locals there eat
> our OT posters alive.


Pure genius.

You start.

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:05:12 -0400, Wayne wrote
(in article >):

>> In article >
>> writes:
>>
>>> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
>>> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
>>> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>>
>> In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
>> than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
>> don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
>> scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.
>>
>> Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
>> headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.
>>
>> --
>> I'm really Mike Rivers )
>>
>>
> Yea, a worthwhile and meaningful comment.
>
> My killfile is taking up a lotsa space and is added to daily. It would be
> nice
> to see and read topics that relate this newsgroup.
>
> "Professional audio recording and studio engineering" is what the description
> reads.

That's what I'm talking about and I've even strongly suggested they move it
to rec.audio.misc so they can have their own sandbox. The fact is they are
apparently too stupid to know how to add a newsgroup, to chicken to go to a
newsgroup where people know what they are talking about, or just too
boorish...maybe all of the above.

My best bet is that they have collectively realized they really don't have
any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue. If
that's what it takes to get their dicks hard, they're in worse trouble than
they could possibly imagine.

Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

Sincerely,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:05:12 -0400, Wayne wrote
(in article >):

>> In article >
>> writes:
>>
>>> I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
>>> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
>>> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>>
>> In the overnight accumulation, I saw about 250 posts of which more
>> than 150 were about social/political topics (that I skipped over). I
>> don't have a problem with social chat about barbecue, coffee, and
>> scotch, and one mention of Cat Stevens is enough.
>>
>> Fortunately it's easy to skip over those messages because the subject
>> headers are so obvious. But I'd rather not have them here at all.
>>
>> --
>> I'm really Mike Rivers )
>>
>>
> Yea, a worthwhile and meaningful comment.
>
> My killfile is taking up a lotsa space and is added to daily. It would be
> nice
> to see and read topics that relate this newsgroup.
>
> "Professional audio recording and studio engineering" is what the description
> reads.

That's what I'm talking about and I've even strongly suggested they move it
to rec.audio.misc so they can have their own sandbox. The fact is they are
apparently too stupid to know how to add a newsgroup, to chicken to go to a
newsgroup where people know what they are talking about, or just too
boorish...maybe all of the above.

My best bet is that they have collectively realized they really don't have
any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue. If
that's what it takes to get their dicks hard, they're in worse trouble than
they could possibly imagine.

Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

Sincerely,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[John]

>From: Jay Kadis
>Date: 9/22/2004 4:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article <1gkjcve.12vnvko100lh1wN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se>,
> (Lars Farm) wrote:
>
>> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>>
>> > I have come to believe that we are in a
>> > very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
>> > not been in a long time --
>>
>> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?
>>
>> Lars
>
>Probably the same thing that powers so many Americans' view of the world:
>myopia.
>
>-Jay

Or... maybe something far more insidious... i.e. a genuine mistake?
Sheesh.


>--
>x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
>x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
>x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
>x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x



-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>From: Jay Kadis
>Date: 9/22/2004 4:37 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>In article <1gkjcve.12vnvko100lh1wN%mail.addr.can.be.found@www .farm.se>,
> (Lars Farm) wrote:
>
>> Jordan Leff > wrote:
>>
>> > I have come to believe that we are in a
>> > very different time ... our nation is truly divided in a way it has
>> > not been in a long time --
>>
>> What makes you think this group is limited to one nation?
>>
>> Lars
>
>Probably the same thing that powers so many Americans' view of the world:
>myopia.
>
>-Jay

Or... maybe something far more insidious... i.e. a genuine mistake?
Sheesh.


>--
>x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
>x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
>x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
>x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x



-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[Bob Cain]

Ty Ford wrote:

> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
about walking back the cat.

What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
insufferable self rightousness.

And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

Ty Ford wrote:

> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
about walking back the cat.

What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
insufferable self rightousness.

And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Geoff Wood]

"Paul" > wrote in message
m...
>I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul


And another couple of dozen whinging about those ones ....

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Paul" > wrote in message
m...
>I opened up google this morning to look at rec.audio.pro.
> 16 of the 25 lists were OT WillStG style political ramblings. This is
> what we've come to. The hijacking of rec.audio.pro.
>
> I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
> creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.
>
> Paul


And another couple of dozen whinging about those ones ....

geoff

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:33:58 -0400, Bob Cain wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>
> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
> problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
> just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
> above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
> reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
> illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
> last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
> about walking back the cat.
>
> What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
> has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
> bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
> posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
> malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
> insufferable self rightousness.
>
> And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
> so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
> asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?
>
>
> Bob
>

Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack of
control issues. You should really get a room...literally and figuratively.

Your assessment that I am self righteous is (as usual) piteously off target.
AS has been pointed out to you many times before, you are the ones pooping on
the footpath and expecting us to ignore it. Stop pooping or go somewhere
else.

Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
absurdium in the wrong place.

With failing respect,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:33:58 -0400, Bob Cain wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>
> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
> problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
> just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
> above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
> reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
> illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
> last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
> about walking back the cat.
>
> What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
> has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
> bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
> posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
> malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
> insufferable self rightousness.
>
> And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
> so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
> asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?
>
>
> Bob
>

Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack of
control issues. You should really get a room...literally and figuratively.

Your assessment that I am self righteous is (as usual) piteously off target.
AS has been pointed out to you many times before, you are the ones pooping on
the footpath and expecting us to ignore it. Stop pooping or go somewhere
else.

Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
absurdium in the wrong place.

With failing respect,

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> they have collectively realized they really don't have
> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.


Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
moderate it.

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> they have collectively realized they really don't have
> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.


Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
moderate it.

[hank alrich]

Bob Cain wrote:

> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
> problem.

Losing a Dave Martin in trade for politics doesn't make a whole lot of
sense to me. And he ain't the only one to bail.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Bob Cain wrote:

> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
> problem.

Losing a Dave Martin in trade for politics doesn't make a whole lot of
sense to me. And he ain't the only one to bail.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Don Cooper wrote:

> Ty Ford wrote:

> > they have collectively realized they really don't have
> > any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.

> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
bother to participate.

Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

--

ha

[hank alrich]

Don Cooper wrote:

> Ty Ford wrote:

> > they have collectively realized they really don't have
> > any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.

> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
bother to participate.

Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

--

ha

[Phil Nelson]

Ty Ford wrote:
....

> Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
> absurdium in the wrong place.

He's right about mailbombing, though. Definitely _not_ OK.

--
Phil Nelson

[Phil Nelson]

Ty Ford wrote:
....

> Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
> absurdium in the wrong place.

He's right about mailbombing, though. Definitely _not_ OK.

--
Phil Nelson

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

Too many invalid addresses around here to bother.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?

Too many invalid addresses around here to bother.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> bother to participate.
>
> Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?


Hank, with all due respect (and much of it),

What?

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> bother to participate.
>
> Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?


Hank, with all due respect (and much of it),

What?

[George]

In article >,
Don Cooper > wrote:

> Ty Ford wrote:
>
> > they have collectively realized they really don't have
> > any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>
>
> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
George

[George]

In article >,
Don Cooper > wrote:

> Ty Ford wrote:
>
> > they have collectively realized they really don't have
> > any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>
>
> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
George

[playon]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:33:58 -0700, Bob Cain
> wrote:

>Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>
>What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
>about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
>problem.

No kidding...

Al

[playon]

On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 22:33:58 -0700, Bob Cain
> wrote:

>Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>
>What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
>about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
>problem.

No kidding...

Al

[playon]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:33:58 -0400, Bob Cain wrote
>(in article >):
>
>>
>>
>> Ty Ford wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>>
>> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
>> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
>> problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
>> just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
>> above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
>> reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
>> illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
>> last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
>> about walking back the cat.
>>
>> What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
>> has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
>> bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
>> posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
>> malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
>> insufferable self rightousness.
>>
>> And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
>> so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
>> asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack of
>control issues. You should really get a room...literally and figuratively.
>
>Your assessment that I am self righteous is (as usual) piteously off target.
>AS has been pointed out to you many times before, you are the ones pooping on
>the footpath and expecting us to ignore it. Stop pooping or go somewhere
>else.
>
>Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
>absurdium in the wrong place.

Ty, I'd have more respect for your wishes if you go after the other OT
postings about scotch and barbeque as much as you do the political
stuff. Is there something about the political topics that
particularly get under your skin?

How about the long topics that start on-topic but by the 10th reply
have degraded into OT insults and ****ing contests? Some of these go
on for weeks too. You going to police them? Where will you fairly
draw the line? Who decides? You? Why you?

Al

[playon]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:16:03 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 01:33:58 -0400, Bob Cain wrote
>(in article >):
>
>>
>>
>> Ty Ford wrote:
>>
>>> Maybe a mass mailing by all of us to fill their mail boxes?
>>
>> What was that you were saying about control issues? You are
>> about the only one here clearly evidencing that particular
>> problem. Seeing control issues in people acting freely is
>> just projectng your own problem on others. The sentence
>> above dispels any doubt that you could use some help. It
>> reeks of delusions of grandeur not to mention promoting an
>> illegal action. In light of what has hit my mailbox in the
>> last four or five days you've got me seriously thinking
>> about walking back the cat.
>>
>> What about the effect that your huge, repetitive FAQ posting
>> has on about the only people here who have a legitimate
>> bitch, those who for some unknown reason download all the
>> posts to read them? Your behavior is simply petulant and
>> malicious. You make it all too easy to simply discount your
>> insufferable self rightousness.
>>
>> And why, one more time, is your nose even in the threads you
>> so despise? That is _very_ wierd behavior. You've been
>> asked that by any number of people. What's up with that?
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>
>Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack of
>control issues. You should really get a room...literally and figuratively.
>
>Your assessment that I am self righteous is (as usual) piteously off target.
>AS has been pointed out to you many times before, you are the ones pooping on
>the footpath and expecting us to ignore it. Stop pooping or go somewhere
>else.
>
>Unlike you , Bob, when I see a problem, I do more than argue about it in
>absurdium in the wrong place.

Ty, I'd have more respect for your wishes if you go after the other OT
postings about scotch and barbeque as much as you do the political
stuff. Is there something about the political topics that
particularly get under your skin?

How about the long topics that start on-topic but by the 10th reply
have degraded into OT insults and ****ing contests? Some of these go
on for weeks too. You going to police them? Where will you fairly
draw the line? Who decides? You? Why you?

Al

[hank alrich]

Don Cooper wrote:

> hank alrich wrote:

> > This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> > audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> > that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> > bother to participate.

> > Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> > who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> > restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

> What?

'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
themselves _individually_.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Don Cooper wrote:

> hank alrich wrote:

> > This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> > audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> > that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> > bother to participate.

> > Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> > who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> > restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

> What?

'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
themselves _individually_.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop

Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.

Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?

--
ha

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop

Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.

Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?

--
ha

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> 'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
> themselves _individually_.


Thank you.

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> 'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
> themselves _individually_.


Thank you.

[George]

In article >,
(hank alrich) wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> > I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
>
> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>
> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>
> --
> ha

even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
country worth living in and for
I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed

Audio is secondairy to freedom
if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
actions
I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
issues bigger than audio
George

[George]

In article >,
(hank alrich) wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> > I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
>
> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>
> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>
> --
> ha

even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
country worth living in and for
I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed

Audio is secondairy to freedom
if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
actions
I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
issues bigger than audio
George

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> country worth living in and for
> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed

> Audio is secondairy to freedom
> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> actions
> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> issues bigger than audio

I cannot imagine why you think your intellect is of sufficient power to
accomplish those goals by posting OT into rec.audio.pro. Certainly there
are more direct and personal ways for you to work toward the stated
goals, which I think are honorable and worthy goals. But I don't see you
making a fly ****'s worth of progress toward those here.

Miho? Yeah, right. Give it up and get to real work.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> country worth living in and for
> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed

> Audio is secondairy to freedom
> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> actions
> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> issues bigger than audio

I cannot imagine why you think your intellect is of sufficient power to
accomplish those goals by posting OT into rec.audio.pro. Certainly there
are more direct and personal ways for you to work toward the stated
goals, which I think are honorable and worthy goals. But I don't see you
making a fly ****'s worth of progress toward those here.

Miho? Yeah, right. Give it up and get to real work.

--
ha

[George]

In article >,
(hank alrich) wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> > even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> > country worth living in and for
> > I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>
> > Audio is secondairy to freedom
> > if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> > attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> > actions
> > I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> > issues bigger than audio
>
> I cannot imagine why you think your intellect is of sufficient power to
> accomplish those goals by posting OT into rec.audio.pro. Certainly there
> are more direct and personal ways for you to work toward the stated
> goals, which I think are honorable and worthy goals. But I don't see you
> making a fly ****'s worth of progress toward those here.
>
> Miho? Yeah, right. Give it up and get to real work.
>
> --
> ha

Hank I don't do it just here
and while I have stared one or two OT posts I mostly am just adding the
"other point of view" to the radical rights gung ho love of war posts
locally I am donating about 4000.00 worth of audio and video production
and staging so the debate sept 30 can be shown in our downtown center
I have selfish reasons for my actions
I do not want my son to be drafted or guilted into going to war
I want him to understand it is wholly american to protest injustice
no matter if it is done to us or we are doing it
it mostly comes out here beacuse of the extreme right wing slant of the
posters here
they need to be countered lest other uncommitteded feel the neocon is
the way Americans think
We have hyad several people from other lands(I assume whee one does not
protest thier governments) express surprize that America Is all not
goosestepping to GW's martching orders
it may give them the spark to initate protest in thier homelands
it really is a big picture effort
I have no illusions of changing any hard line neocon to a peaceful POV
but there are others/lurkers who evaluate both sides oof these threads
and benifit from these discussions
George

[George]

In article >,
(hank alrich) wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> > even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> > country worth living in and for
> > I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>
> > Audio is secondairy to freedom
> > if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> > attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> > actions
> > I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> > issues bigger than audio
>
> I cannot imagine why you think your intellect is of sufficient power to
> accomplish those goals by posting OT into rec.audio.pro. Certainly there
> are more direct and personal ways for you to work toward the stated
> goals, which I think are honorable and worthy goals. But I don't see you
> making a fly ****'s worth of progress toward those here.
>
> Miho? Yeah, right. Give it up and get to real work.
>
> --
> ha

Hank I don't do it just here
and while I have stared one or two OT posts I mostly am just adding the
"other point of view" to the radical rights gung ho love of war posts
locally I am donating about 4000.00 worth of audio and video production
and staging so the debate sept 30 can be shown in our downtown center
I have selfish reasons for my actions
I do not want my son to be drafted or guilted into going to war
I want him to understand it is wholly american to protest injustice
no matter if it is done to us or we are doing it
it mostly comes out here beacuse of the extreme right wing slant of the
posters here
they need to be countered lest other uncommitteded feel the neocon is
the way Americans think
We have hyad several people from other lands(I assume whee one does not
protest thier governments) express surprize that America Is all not
goosestepping to GW's martching orders
it may give them the spark to initate protest in thier homelands
it really is a big picture effort
I have no illusions of changing any hard line neocon to a peaceful POV
but there are others/lurkers who evaluate both sides oof these threads
and benifit from these discussions
George

[Blind Joni]

>Is there something about the political topics that
>particularly get under your skin?

Political topics don't get under my skin..the logic used to argue them
does..and this can make someone question other opinions. I care about how we
think..not what we think.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>Is there something about the political topics that
>particularly get under your skin?

Political topics don't get under my skin..the logic used to argue them
does..and this can make someone question other opinions. I care about how we
think..not what we think.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>> 'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
>> themselves _individually_.

Therefore...it never works.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>> 'Xactly what I wrote. Anarchy only works if people can self-govern
>> themselves _individually_.

Therefore...it never works.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Richard Kuschel]

>I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
>creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.


The first thing I would do is learn to spell ridiculous.

The second thing I would do is to not respond to those threads.

Unfortunately I only got to the first thing.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Richard Kuschel]

>I'm thinking if anyone else cares, lets see if we can come up with a
>creative way of hijacking redicuous off-topic threads.


The first thing I would do is learn to spell ridiculous.

The second thing I would do is to not respond to those threads.

Unfortunately I only got to the first thing.

Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> We have hyad several people from other lands(I assume whee one does not
> protest thier governments)

Beg pardon? US is the only place where people protest the government?

"There's frost on the graves and the monuments
"but the taverns are warm in town
"People curse the government
"and shovel the hot food down..."

Knopfler (I think he's not a US citizen.)

> express surprize that America Is all not
> goosestepping to GW's martching orders

And since they are not registered to vote in the US, this helps how? By
now anybody reading the forum knows who is who and what people think.
Why just keep on and on about it when it drives away people seeking the
content of the forum as promised in the charter? I'd trade all this ****
for a Dave Martin.

> it may give them the spark to initate protest in thier homelands

The Brits already mustered a million, the Spaniards and others having
raised their voices, too. Meanwhile, we also have citizens of other
lands wondering why we treat this group as if it were some kind of US
property, blathering continually about things that have little to do
with the forum's intended focus or their own native land. Big picture in
my view is that beyond a certain point of selfrestraint we are just
being ugly Americans in a different way.

> it really is a big picture effort
> I have no illusions of changing any hard line neocon to a peaceful POV
> but there are others/lurkers who evaluate both sides oof these threads
> and benifit from these discussions

By now the lurkers on the fence have heard enough that they can evaluate
plenty. Thinking one will thwart the opposition in rec.audio.pro is like
calling bird**** on a salad "dressing".

--
ha

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> We have hyad several people from other lands(I assume whee one does not
> protest thier governments)

Beg pardon? US is the only place where people protest the government?

"There's frost on the graves and the monuments
"but the taverns are warm in town
"People curse the government
"and shovel the hot food down..."

Knopfler (I think he's not a US citizen.)

> express surprize that America Is all not
> goosestepping to GW's martching orders

And since they are not registered to vote in the US, this helps how? By
now anybody reading the forum knows who is who and what people think.
Why just keep on and on about it when it drives away people seeking the
content of the forum as promised in the charter? I'd trade all this ****
for a Dave Martin.

> it may give them the spark to initate protest in thier homelands

The Brits already mustered a million, the Spaniards and others having
raised their voices, too. Meanwhile, we also have citizens of other
lands wondering why we treat this group as if it were some kind of US
property, blathering continually about things that have little to do
with the forum's intended focus or their own native land. Big picture in
my view is that beyond a certain point of selfrestraint we are just
being ugly Americans in a different way.

> it really is a big picture effort
> I have no illusions of changing any hard line neocon to a peaceful POV
> but there are others/lurkers who evaluate both sides oof these threads
> and benifit from these discussions

By now the lurkers on the fence have heard enough that they can evaluate
plenty. Thinking one will thwart the opposition in rec.audio.pro is like
calling bird**** on a salad "dressing".

--
ha

[George]

If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
radar I would have nothing to reply to
we have contained this over at aapls
by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
who starts it up

should work here as well
flood the group with on topic posts
I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
or let it run its course though
I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd
G

[George]

If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
radar I would have nothing to reply to
we have contained this over at aapls
by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
who starts it up

should work here as well
flood the group with on topic posts
I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
or let it run its course though
I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd
G

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
> radar I would have nothing to reply to
> we have contained this over at aapls
> by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
> who starts it up

> should work here as well
> flood the group with on topic posts
> I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
> or let it run its course though
> I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd

I see: it's up to others to control yourself. Shouting down? What place
does that have in dialog? What would work perfectly well is to let
robots have the last word and then ignore them in the future. As long as
we keep ****ting in the salad RAP gets the same old dressing.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
> radar I would have nothing to reply to
> we have contained this over at aapls
> by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
> who starts it up

> should work here as well
> flood the group with on topic posts
> I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
> or let it run its course though
> I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd

I see: it's up to others to control yourself. Shouting down? What place
does that have in dialog? What would work perfectly well is to let
robots have the last word and then ignore them in the future. As long as
we keep ****ting in the salad RAP gets the same old dressing.

--
ha

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> I'd trade all this **** for a Dave Martin.


I hope Dave stays. I don't get the "trade" part. I'd "trade" my $300
check from W for the 3000+ lives we lost three years ago, but,
unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

Hopefully, we can have both - an imperfect group, and posters who are
darn close to perfect.

[Don Cooper]

hank alrich wrote:

> I'd trade all this **** for a Dave Martin.


I hope Dave stays. I don't get the "trade" part. I'd "trade" my $300
check from W for the 3000+ lives we lost three years ago, but,
unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

Hopefully, we can have both - an imperfect group, and posters who are
darn close to perfect.

[George]

i tell you what I will refrain for a week
now work on the others

If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
parade
George

[George]

i tell you what I will refrain for a week
now work on the others

If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
parade
George

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"George" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> i tell you what I will refrain for a week
> now work on the others
>
> If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
> problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
> parade
> George


That's exactly the stance that I took a couple of weeks ago... as long
as Will M. didn't regurgitate anything, I did not post in a political thread.
I kept it up for about a week and crumbled after his return. I did not
address him directly but twice, and I never hit his follow-ups to me.
My political posting has fallen to an ocassional comment... nothing
more.

But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?

DM

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"George" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> i tell you what I will refrain for a week
> now work on the others
>
> If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
> problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
> parade
> George


That's exactly the stance that I took a couple of weeks ago... as long
as Will M. didn't regurgitate anything, I did not post in a political thread.
I kept it up for about a week and crumbled after his return. I did not
address him directly but twice, and I never hit his follow-ups to me.
My political posting has fallen to an ocassional comment... nothing
more.

But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?

DM

[Don Cooper]

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:

> But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?


I only refute ( or agree with) the refutals. It's part of a 12-step program.

: )

[Don Cooper]

"David Morgan (MAMS)" wrote:

> But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?


I only refute ( or agree with) the refutals. It's part of a 12-step program.

: )

[Blind Joni]

>i tell you what I will refrain for a week
>now work on the others
>

If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>i tell you what I will refrain for a week
>now work on the others
>

If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Wayne]

>>i tell you what I will refrain for a week
>>now work on the others
>>
>
>If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it.
>
>
>John A. Chiara
>SOS Recording Studio
>Live Sound Inc.
>Albany, NY
>www.sosrecording.net
>518-449-1637
>

"Sounds" like the correct plan to follow.
Good word John



--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>>i tell you what I will refrain for a week
>>now work on the others
>>
>
>If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it.
>
>
>John A. Chiara
>SOS Recording Studio
>Live Sound Inc.
>Albany, NY
>www.sosrecording.net
>518-449-1637
>

"Sounds" like the correct plan to follow.
Good word John



--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[WillStG]

<< (Blind Joni)
<< If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>

Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called "15
off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
that's all *my* fault?

I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and Al
certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would just
allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just a
bit too Conveeeeenient,

But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I don't
mean Ty Ford.)

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[WillStG]

<< (Blind Joni)
<< If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>

Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called "15
off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
that's all *my* fault?

I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and Al
certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would just
allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just a
bit too Conveeeeenient,

But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I don't
mean Ty Ford.)

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Ty Ford]

>
> Ty, I'd have more respect for your wishes if you go after the other OT
> postings about scotch and barbeque as much as you do the political
> stuff. Is there something about the political topics that
> particularly get under your skin?
>
> How about the long topics that start on-topic but by the 10th reply
> have degraded into OT insults and ****ing contests? Some of these go
> on for weeks too. You going to police them? Where will you fairly
> draw the line? Who decides? You? Why you?
>
> Al

Al,

1. Political posts are by far the largest group of offenders. No entropy of
this sort has ever occurred in this newsgroup since I've been a part of it.

2. 70.7 (RMS) of them are pointless "I'm right/you're wrong" bitch slaps.
2a. If these folks really had any balls they'd be out doing something about
it instead of jerking off their rhetoric on this newsgroup.

3. I'm not alone in this. As this string will prove others are also upset
about it and we can';t even begin to count those who have just pulled up
stakes and left rather than stick around.

4. All of us have, in the past, called a spade a spade and told people to
shape up. Again, I'm not alone here.

5. It's not about me. It's about the group and what it was started for.
(sorry, I'll try not to end sentences with a preposition anymore)

6. Fair, your call the hijacking of an entire ****ing newsgroup fair? How the
**** do I know where the line is. I DO know that the political post are waaay
over the line. You don't have to be a ****ing math wizard to see that.

7. Why do I seem to stand out? Because I care a enough about the ideas of the
people who came together to make this newsgroup to get ****ed when I see
others empty their ****ing ashtrays in it on a daily basis.

Will I get in someone's face? You bet. As I expect someone would get in my
face if I went against why we are here.

Thanks for asking. BTW, did I mention the charter says no OT posting?

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

>
> Ty, I'd have more respect for your wishes if you go after the other OT
> postings about scotch and barbeque as much as you do the political
> stuff. Is there something about the political topics that
> particularly get under your skin?
>
> How about the long topics that start on-topic but by the 10th reply
> have degraded into OT insults and ****ing contests? Some of these go
> on for weeks too. You going to police them? Where will you fairly
> draw the line? Who decides? You? Why you?
>
> Al

Al,

1. Political posts are by far the largest group of offenders. No entropy of
this sort has ever occurred in this newsgroup since I've been a part of it.

2. 70.7 (RMS) of them are pointless "I'm right/you're wrong" bitch slaps.
2a. If these folks really had any balls they'd be out doing something about
it instead of jerking off their rhetoric on this newsgroup.

3. I'm not alone in this. As this string will prove others are also upset
about it and we can';t even begin to count those who have just pulled up
stakes and left rather than stick around.

4. All of us have, in the past, called a spade a spade and told people to
shape up. Again, I'm not alone here.

5. It's not about me. It's about the group and what it was started for.
(sorry, I'll try not to end sentences with a preposition anymore)

6. Fair, your call the hijacking of an entire ****ing newsgroup fair? How the
**** do I know where the line is. I DO know that the political post are waaay
over the line. You don't have to be a ****ing math wizard to see that.

7. Why do I seem to stand out? Because I care a enough about the ideas of the
people who came together to make this newsgroup to get ****ed when I see
others empty their ****ing ashtrays in it on a daily basis.

Will I get in someone's face? You bet. As I expect someone would get in my
face if I went against why we are here.

Thanks for asking. BTW, did I mention the charter says no OT posting?

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Phil Nelson]

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

> But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?

Do the math. The view opposing Will's is the "*real*" problem, by 3-6 X.

--
Phil Nelson

[Phil Nelson]

David Morgan (MAMS) wrote:

> But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?

Do the math. The view opposing Will's is the "*real*" problem, by 3-6 X.

--
Phil Nelson

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:23:42 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> they have collectively realized they really don't have
>> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>
>
> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

No I want you to abide by the ****ing rules of this newsgroup and help build
it back to what it once was. If you can't see that you are damaging the group
by your posts, I and others have told you, YOURE DAMAGING THE GROUP.

Maybe it's time for you to find a newsgroup that fits what you want to do.
There are only tens of thousands of them out there. Spin the ****ing wheel
and take a chance.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:23:42 -0400, Don Cooper wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
>> they have collectively realized they really don't have
>> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>
>
> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
> moderate it.

No I want you to abide by the ****ing rules of this newsgroup and help build
it back to what it once was. If you can't see that you are damaging the group
by your posts, I and others have told you, YOURE DAMAGING THE GROUP.

Maybe it's time for you to find a newsgroup that fits what you want to do.
There are only tens of thousands of them out there. Spin the ****ing wheel
and take a chance.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:19:24 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Don Cooper > wrote:
>
>> Ty Ford wrote:
>>
>>> they have collectively realized they really don't have
>>> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>>
>>
>> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
>> moderate it.
>
> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
> George

Jesus George, do you ever have a right thought in your head about anything
other than audio?

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:19:24 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> In article >,
> Don Cooper > wrote:
>
>> Ty Ford wrote:
>>
>>> they have collectively realized they really don't have
>>> any ****ing control over their lives and they see this as a control issue.
>>
>>
>> Or, in USENET terms, this is not a moderated group, and you want to
>> moderate it.
>
> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the netcop
> George

Jesus George, do you ever have a right thought in your head about anything
other than audio?

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:07:35 -0400, hank alrich wrote
(in article >):

> By now the lurkers on the fence have heard enough that they can evaluate
> plenty. Thinking one will thwart the opposition in rec.audio.pro is like
> calling bird**** on a salad "dressing".

Truer words were never spoken.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:07:35 -0400, hank alrich wrote
(in article >):

> By now the lurkers on the fence have heard enough that they can evaluate
> plenty. Thinking one will thwart the opposition in rec.audio.pro is like
> calling bird**** on a salad "dressing".

Truer words were never spoken.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:14:29 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
> radar I would have nothing to reply to
> we have contained this over at aapls
> by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
> who starts it up
>
> should work here as well
> flood the group with on topic posts
> I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
> or let it run its course though
> I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd
> G


George, please get back on your medication.

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:14:29 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

> If you can get the consciense of the group to fly below the political
> radar I would have nothing to reply to
> we have contained this over at aapls
> by massivly ignoring it and shouting down even the most valued poster
> who starts it up
>
> should work here as well
> flood the group with on topic posts
> I have no problem not responding to posts that don't exist
> or let it run its course though
> I expect a huge flare up just before and after nov 2nd
> G


George, please get back on your medication.

Ty

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:05:04 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> i tell you what I will refrain for a week
> now work on the others
>
> If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
> problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
> parade
> George


George, I'm not saying YOU ARE the problem, but you ARE contributing to it.
It is impossible for me to fathom how you (or they) can possibly think that
the OT political havoc you are creating here does any ****ing good at all.
You're not winning any points and neither are they. You're just ****ing in
the wind and it blowing all over us.

Sincerely,

Ty Ford

PS I do like the idea of your not posting OT stuff.

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:05:04 -0400, George wrote
(in article >):

>
>
> i tell you what I will refrain for a week
> now work on the others
>
> If it is still going on next thursday at 5pm it is clear I am not the
> problem and I will feel again free to counter the right wing bull****
> parade
> George


George, I'm not saying YOU ARE the problem, but you ARE contributing to it.
It is impossible for me to fathom how you (or they) can possibly think that
the OT political havoc you are creating here does any ****ing good at all.
You're not winning any points and neither are they. You're just ****ing in
the wind and it blowing all over us.

Sincerely,

Ty Ford

PS I do like the idea of your not posting OT stuff.

-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:16:39 -0400, WillStG wrote
(in article >):

> << (Blind Joni)
> << If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>
>
> Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called
> "15
> off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
> when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
> that's all *my* fault?
>
> I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
> anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
> participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and
Al
> certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would
just
> allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just
a
> bit too Conveeeeenient,
>
> But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I
> don't
> mean Ty Ford.)
>
> Will Miho
> NY Music & TV Audio Guy
> Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
> "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
>
>
>

Will,

IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.

You wanna get in someone's face, email them. Make it personal. For some weird
reason, some people get really upset when you email them directly. It's like
the newsgroup is a condom.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:16:39 -0400, WillStG wrote
(in article >):

> << (Blind Joni)
> << If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>
>
> Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called
> "15
> off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
> when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
> that's all *my* fault?
>
> I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
> anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
> participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and
Al
> certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would
just
> allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just
a
> bit too Conveeeeenient,
>
> But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I
> don't
> mean Ty Ford.)
>
> Will Miho
> NY Music & TV Audio Guy
> Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
> "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
>
>
>

Will,

IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.

You wanna get in someone's face, email them. Make it personal. For some weird
reason, some people get really upset when you email them directly. It's like
the newsgroup is a condom.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Bob Cain]

hank alrich wrote:


> This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> bother to participate.

With all due respect, Hank, I simply cannot see how OT
discussions in threads that are completely OT can possibly
render the forum useless for anyone as it relates to audio
issues.

It is simply too easy to push out of one's view a thread
that could grow to hundreds of posts which are found
annoying. It takes the k key in most readers. As I've said
before, annoyance is a personal choice as is remaining with
a mechanism for reading news that is obsolete in not
allowing the choice. Do we continue to use gear that has
been far surpassed?

I _will_ speak up and ask people that hijack audio threads
to political purposes to move the sub-discussion to its own
thread because in that case it _is_ difficult to see what
you want without having to trip over what you don't and that
does indeed render the thread useless for many. Honestly,
though, I haven't seen that happen but once in a blue moon.
Political threads are almost always their own entities.

I kill a lot of audio threads, however, because they are
outside my domain of interest so hi-jacking may well be
happening a lot more than I know.

> Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

Again, I fail to see why discussion among members about
things that aren't what brought them together in the first
place is in any way a bad thing. If it were unavoidably
placed before all member's eyes I would have a much
different POV but it is utterly, simply and easily avoidable
unless one doesn't want to avoid it for whatever reason.

People who petulantly take their marbles and go home because
they don't like things that they make the conscious choice
to see concern me not in the least. Nor do people who take
the time to wade through what they consider **** just so
that they can stir it up or insult and denigrate those who
don't share their perspective as to it being ****.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Bob Cain]

hank alrich wrote:


> This group _can_ be rendered useless to anybody serious about their
> audio and music just by remaining so far off-topic so much of the time
> that no one who knows a potentiometer from a speaker pedestal will
> bother to participate.

With all due respect, Hank, I simply cannot see how OT
discussions in threads that are completely OT can possibly
render the forum useless for anyone as it relates to audio
issues.

It is simply too easy to push out of one's view a thread
that could grow to hundreds of posts which are found
annoying. It takes the k key in most readers. As I've said
before, annoyance is a personal choice as is remaining with
a mechanism for reading news that is obsolete in not
allowing the choice. Do we continue to use gear that has
been far surpassed?

I _will_ speak up and ask people that hijack audio threads
to political purposes to move the sub-discussion to its own
thread because in that case it _is_ difficult to see what
you want without having to trip over what you don't and that
does indeed render the thread useless for many. Honestly,
though, I haven't seen that happen but once in a blue moon.
Political threads are almost always their own entities.

I kill a lot of audio threads, however, because they are
outside my domain of interest so hi-jacking may well be
happening a lot more than I know.

> Need we subject rec.audio.pro to the tragedy of the commons? Has no one
> who would seek to change the world by posting politics here sufficient
> restraint to abide by parameters that _allow_ a group to be unmoderated?

Again, I fail to see why discussion among members about
things that aren't what brought them together in the first
place is in any way a bad thing. If it were unavoidably
placed before all member's eyes I would have a much
different POV but it is utterly, simply and easily avoidable
unless one doesn't want to avoid it for whatever reason.

People who petulantly take their marbles and go home because
they don't like things that they make the conscious choice
to see concern me not in the least. Nor do people who take
the time to wade through what they consider **** just so
that they can stir it up or insult and denigrate those who
don't share their perspective as to it being ****.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[bayydogg]

pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
a neumann in that missle launcher?

[bayydogg]

pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
a neumann in that missle launcher?

[Don Cooper]

Phil Nelson wrote:

> > But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> > posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> > to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?
>
> Do the math. The view opposing Will's is the "*real*" problem, by 3-6 X.


That's why I recommended the KF. The S/N would greatly improve.

[Don Cooper]

Phil Nelson wrote:

> > But it was funny to note, that during the days Will was gone political
> > posts dropped to virtually none. For every one post he makes, three
> > to six people refute him... so tell me, where is the *real* "problem"?
>
> Do the math. The view opposing Will's is the "*real*" problem, by 3-6 X.


That's why I recommended the KF. The S/N would greatly improve.

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> Will,
>
> IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.


What he said.

Minus the "please".

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> Will,
>
> IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.


What he said.

Minus the "please".

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> No I want you to abide by the ****ing rules of this newsgroup and help build
> it back to what it once was. If you can't see that you are damaging the group
> by your posts, I and others have told you, YOURE DAMAGING THE GROUP.
>
> Maybe it's time for you to find a newsgroup that fits what you want to do.
> There are only tens of thousands of them out there. Spin the ****ing wheel
> and take a chance.


"If you're not with us, you're against us".

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> No I want you to abide by the ****ing rules of this newsgroup and help build
> it back to what it once was. If you can't see that you are damaging the group
> by your posts, I and others have told you, YOURE DAMAGING THE GROUP.
>
> Maybe it's time for you to find a newsgroup that fits what you want to do.
> There are only tens of thousands of them out there. Spin the ****ing wheel
> and take a chance.


"If you're not with us, you're against us".

[Paul Stamler]

At this point, the discussion of off-topic posts has become a metasubject,
and is taking up more bandwidth than the off-topic posts themselves. So I've
a suggestion. Let's stop posting on off-topic threads, and let's stop
yelling about how we don't like off-topic threads. Just say no. Better yet,
just talk about audio.

Peace,
Paul

[Paul Stamler]

At this point, the discussion of off-topic posts has become a metasubject,
and is taking up more bandwidth than the off-topic posts themselves. So I've
a suggestion. Let's stop posting on off-topic threads, and let's stop
yelling about how we don't like off-topic threads. Just say no. Better yet,
just talk about audio.

Peace,
Paul

[Geoff Wood]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message news:0t-
>
> Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack
> of
> control issues.

"Other wierdos" could be taken several ways Ty ;-)

Actually, hijacking is a strange analogy. There are not many obviously
hijacked busses that people who object to hijacking conciously make the
effort to get on board of.

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message news:0t-
>
> Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack
> of
> control issues.

"Other wierdos" could be taken several ways Ty ;-)

Actually, hijacking is a strange analogy. There are not many obviously
hijacked busses that people who object to hijacking conciously make the
effort to get on board of.

geoff

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:55:39 -0400, Geoff Wood wrote
(in article >):

>
> "Ty Ford" > wrote in message news:0t-
>>
>> Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack
>> of
>> control issues.
>
> "Other wierdos" could be taken several ways Ty ;-)
>
> Actually, hijacking is a strange analogy. There are not many obviously
> hijacked busses that people who object to hijacking conciously make the
> effort to get on board of.
>
> geoff
>
>

Geoff,

I encourage your bemusement.

Regards,

Ty


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 02:55:39 -0400, Geoff Wood wrote
(in article >):

>
> "Ty Ford" > wrote in message news:0t-
>>
>> Bob, Clearly we disagree. It's is you and the other weirdos who have lack
>> of
>> control issues.
>
> "Other wierdos" could be taken several ways Ty ;-)
>
> Actually, hijacking is a strange analogy. There are not many obviously
> hijacked busses that people who object to hijacking conciously make the
> effort to get on board of.
>
> geoff
>
>

Geoff,

I encourage your bemusement.

Regards,

Ty


-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
(in article >):

> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> a neumann in that missle launcher?

I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than


Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
(in article >):

> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> a neumann in that missle launcher?

I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than


Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[hank alrich]

Bob Cain wrote:

> It is simply too easy to push out of one's view a thread
> that could grow to hundreds of posts which are found
> annoying. It takes the k key in most readers. As I've said
> before, annoyance is a personal choice as is remaining with
> a mechanism for reading news that is obsolete in not
> allowing the choice. Do we continue to use gear that has
> been far surpassed?

I have a capable newsreader. Some folks who used to post fairly
frequently are actually practitioners of professional audio to the point
that they don't have time to **** around with a **** heap somebody else
thinks they ought to be willing to sort through for the purpose of
contributing what they know about professional audio. So they don't
bother, and I and we lose, no matter who the hell gets elected when or
where.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Bob Cain wrote:

> It is simply too easy to push out of one's view a thread
> that could grow to hundreds of posts which are found
> annoying. It takes the k key in most readers. As I've said
> before, annoyance is a personal choice as is remaining with
> a mechanism for reading news that is obsolete in not
> allowing the choice. Do we continue to use gear that has
> been far surpassed?

I have a capable newsreader. Some folks who used to post fairly
frequently are actually practitioners of professional audio to the point
that they don't have time to **** around with a **** heap somebody else
thinks they ought to be willing to sort through for the purpose of
contributing what they know about professional audio. So they don't
bother, and I and we lose, no matter who the hell gets elected when or
where.

--
ha

[Paul]

I'm 100% behind Ty. I don't know you Willstg nor do I know Ty, but I
can tell you I think you're using rec.audio.pro for your own deranged
sounding board. And yea, I'm going to point the finger directly at
you.. although I've got a bunch of fingers.

Look, there is nothing to ****ing discuss.
This isn't the ****ing place for it ok??????


Ty Ford > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:16:39 -0400, WillStG wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > << (Blind Joni)
> > << If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>
> >
> > Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called
> > "15
> > off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
> > when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
> > that's all *my* fault?
> >
> > I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
> > anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
> > participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and
> Al
> > certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would
> just
> > allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just
> a
> > bit too Conveeeeenient,
> >
> > But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I
> > don't
> > mean Ty Ford.)
> >
> > Will Miho
> > NY Music & TV Audio Guy
> > Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
> > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
> >
> >
> >
>
> Will,
>
> IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.
>
> You wanna get in someone's face, email them. Make it personal. For some weird
> reason, some people get really upset when you email them directly. It's like
> the newsgroup is a condom.
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Paul]

I'm 100% behind Ty. I don't know you Willstg nor do I know Ty, but I
can tell you I think you're using rec.audio.pro for your own deranged
sounding board. And yea, I'm going to point the finger directly at
you.. although I've got a bunch of fingers.

Look, there is nothing to ****ing discuss.
This isn't the ****ing place for it ok??????


Ty Ford > wrote in message >...
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 21:16:39 -0400, WillStG wrote
> (in article >):
>
> > << (Blind Joni)
> > << If we all refrain no one will have to "work on" anyone. Let's try it. >>
> >
> > Thanks John. And take note gentlemen - I didn't start the so-called
> > "15
> > off-topic Willstg style threads", that was Al and George and Jake etc., and
> > when a bunch of guys jump all over me at once when I respond to one of them,
> > that's all *my* fault?
> >
> > I'll admit to the sin of "bloviating" and I'll take the same heat as
> > anyone else. But spare me the disinegenous hypocrisy from people who have
> > participated in these threads themselves (like David and Hank, and Don and
> Al
> > certainly haven't a leg to stand on either). Suggesting that if I would
> just
> > allow myself to be shouted down by a crowd there would be no problem is just
> a
> > bit too Conveeeeenient,
> >
> > But then, finger pointing *is* what some people here do best (and I
> > don't
> > mean Ty Ford.)
> >
> > Will Miho
> > NY Music & TV Audio Guy
> > Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
> > "The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits
> >
> >
> >
>
> Will,
>
> IN PUBLIC THIS TIME. Please shut the **** up.
>
> You wanna get in someone's face, email them. Make it personal. For some weird
> reason, some people get really upset when you email them directly. It's like
> the newsgroup is a condom.
>
> Ty Ford
>
>
>
> -- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
> stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Scott Dorsey]

Paul > wrote:
>I'm 100% behind Ty. I don't know you Willstg nor do I know Ty, but I
>can tell you I think you're using rec.audio.pro for your own deranged
>sounding board. And yea, I'm going to point the finger directly at
>you.. although I've got a bunch of fingers.

I know both of them, and they are both good people who normally discuss
audio here.

Ty is sort of upset because there is a _lot_ of off-topic crap here. I
agree that there's a lot of it, but right now everybody is on edge and
nobody anywhere in real life seems to be talking about anything else. I
expect that this will settle down in short order, but in the meantime
everyone in the country is sort of on a short fuse about politics.

>Look, there is nothing to ****ing discuss.
>This isn't the ****ing place for it ok??????

It's not, no. And I think it's out of control. But it's out of control
everywhere, not just in this newsgroup, and I don't think it will be back
in control until after the election (which just happens to be right after
the AES show, so expect a week of absolute hell in early November no matter
who wins the election or what gets announced at the show).
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Paul > wrote:
>I'm 100% behind Ty. I don't know you Willstg nor do I know Ty, but I
>can tell you I think you're using rec.audio.pro for your own deranged
>sounding board. And yea, I'm going to point the finger directly at
>you.. although I've got a bunch of fingers.

I know both of them, and they are both good people who normally discuss
audio here.

Ty is sort of upset because there is a _lot_ of off-topic crap here. I
agree that there's a lot of it, but right now everybody is on edge and
nobody anywhere in real life seems to be talking about anything else. I
expect that this will settle down in short order, but in the meantime
everyone in the country is sort of on a short fuse about politics.

>Look, there is nothing to ****ing discuss.
>This isn't the ****ing place for it ok??????

It's not, no. And I think it's out of control. But it's out of control
everywhere, not just in this newsgroup, and I don't think it will be back
in control until after the election (which just happens to be right after
the AES show, so expect a week of absolute hell in early November no matter
who wins the election or what gets announced at the show).
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Don Cooper]

> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than
>
> Ty Ford


You're not boring, Ty.

: )

[Don Cooper]

> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than
>
> Ty Ford


You're not boring, Ty.

: )

[playon]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
>I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than
>

So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
Is A Pig" thread.

[playon]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
>I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than
>

So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
Is A Pig" thread.

[playon]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
>I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring than
>

So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
Is A Pig" thread.

[joet]

"George" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>> George wrote:
>>
>> > I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the
>> > netcop
>>
>> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
>> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
>> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
>> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
>> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
>> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>>
>> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
>> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>>
>> --
>> ha
>
> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> country worth living in and for
> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>
> Audio is secondairy to freedom
> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> actions
> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> issues bigger than audio
> George

Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.

And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
contributing factor to loss of freedom.

It's sad that so many continually demonstrate all too clearly why the world
is still so disheveled.

If people can't abide that which was created by others in order to serve a
specific purpose but would rather tear it apart for their own reasons how
can they stand so righteously in defense of that which they hold dear
against those who choose to do the same to it? ( It's ok I know that those
to whom this applies won't let that sink in sufficiently to understand thier
own hypocrisy ).

Oh nevermind , now, since I didn't hit cancel after typing this as is my
usual habit when being sucked in by this type of argument, I'm as guilty as
the rest... Damn. The difference is, at least I can take solice in the fact
this is the last I'll have to say about it in this forum... lol

[joet]

"George" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>> George wrote:
>>
>> > I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the
>> > netcop
>>
>> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
>> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
>> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
>> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
>> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
>> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>>
>> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
>> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>>
>> --
>> ha
>
> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> country worth living in and for
> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>
> Audio is secondairy to freedom
> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> actions
> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> issues bigger than audio
> George

Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.

And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
contributing factor to loss of freedom.

It's sad that so many continually demonstrate all too clearly why the world
is still so disheveled.

If people can't abide that which was created by others in order to serve a
specific purpose but would rather tear it apart for their own reasons how
can they stand so righteously in defense of that which they hold dear
against those who choose to do the same to it? ( It's ok I know that those
to whom this applies won't let that sink in sufficiently to understand thier
own hypocrisy ).

Oh nevermind , now, since I didn't hit cancel after typing this as is my
usual habit when being sucked in by this type of argument, I'm as guilty as
the rest... Damn. The difference is, at least I can take solice in the fact
this is the last I'll have to say about it in this forum... lol

[joet]

"George" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> (hank alrich) wrote:
>
>> George wrote:
>>
>> > I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the
>> > netcop
>>
>> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
>> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
>> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
>> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
>> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
>> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>>
>> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
>> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>>
>> --
>> ha
>
> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
> country worth living in and for
> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>
> Audio is secondairy to freedom
> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
> actions
> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
> issues bigger than audio
> George

Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.

And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
contributing factor to loss of freedom.

It's sad that so many continually demonstrate all too clearly why the world
is still so disheveled.

If people can't abide that which was created by others in order to serve a
specific purpose but would rather tear it apart for their own reasons how
can they stand so righteously in defense of that which they hold dear
against those who choose to do the same to it? ( It's ok I know that those
to whom this applies won't let that sink in sufficiently to understand thier
own hypocrisy ).

Oh nevermind , now, since I didn't hit cancel after typing this as is my
usual habit when being sucked in by this type of argument, I'm as guilty as
the rest... Damn. The difference is, at least I can take solice in the fact
this is the last I'll have to say about it in this forum... lol

[Peter Kaersaa]

In article >,
says...
> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> a neumann in that missle launcher?

This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
what.
I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

Posting political messages in a audio group is just plain stupid

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

[Peter Kaersaa]

In article >,
says...
> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> a neumann in that missle launcher?

This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
what.
I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

Posting political messages in a audio group is just plain stupid

--
/ Peter Kaersaa

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:41:43 -0400, joet wrote
(in article >):

>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> (hank alrich) wrote:
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the
>>>> netcop
>>>
>>> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
>>> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
>>> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
>>> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
>>> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
>>> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>>>
>>> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
>>> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ha
>>
>> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
>> country worth living in and for
>> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>>
>> Audio is secondairy to freedom
>> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
>> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
>> actions
>> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
>> issues bigger than audio
>> George
>
> Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
> without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.
>
> And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
> contributing factor to loss of freedom.
>
> It's sad that so many continually demonstrate all too clearly why the world
> is still so disheveled.
>
> If people can't abide that which was created by others in order to serve a
> specific purpose but would rather tear it apart for their own reasons how
> can they stand so righteously in defense of that which they hold dear
> against those who choose to do the same to it? ( It's ok I know that those
> to whom this applies won't let that sink in sufficiently to understand thier
> own hypocrisy ).
>
> Oh nevermind , now, since I didn't hit cancel after typing this as is my
> usual habit when being sucked in by this type of argument, I'm as guilty as
> the rest... Damn. The difference is, at least I can take solice in the fact
> this is the last I'll have to say about it in this forum... lol

Unfortunately, these OT weasels only understand massive response. I applaud
you for your clarity.

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 23:41:43 -0400, joet wrote
(in article >):

>
> "George" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In article >,
>> (hank alrich) wrote:
>>
>>> George wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree the one thing more destructive to a NG than OT post is the
>>>> netcop
>>>
>>> Usenet charters exist to provide forums for specfic interests; if a
>>> sufficient number of people cannot abide by a charter, a group can
>>> easily descend into the depths if murky uselessness, and we are
>>> certainly skirting the edge of that murk. For a whole lot of very well
>>> informed and deeply experienced professional audio practitioners, the
>>> depths of that murk became unacceptable quite some time ago.
>>>
>>> Why do you attempt to justify continued and voluminous off-topic
>>> posting? What do you figure you or the group will gain from it?
>>>
>>> --
>>> ha
>>
>> even if all audio disappeared tomorrow I would still hope to have a
>> country worth living in and for
>> I am hopeing to help rebuild the faith in America that GW has destroyed
>>
>> Audio is secondairy to freedom
>> if people assume that "everybody" supports the president and his immoral
>> attacks on other countries , they may never question his motives or
>> actions
>> I intend to give them a chance to pause and reflect in thier lives on
>> issues bigger than audio
>> George
>
> Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
> without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.
>
> And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
> contributing factor to loss of freedom.
>
> It's sad that so many continually demonstrate all too clearly why the world
> is still so disheveled.
>
> If people can't abide that which was created by others in order to serve a
> specific purpose but would rather tear it apart for their own reasons how
> can they stand so righteously in defense of that which they hold dear
> against those who choose to do the same to it? ( It's ok I know that those
> to whom this applies won't let that sink in sufficiently to understand thier
> own hypocrisy ).
>
> Oh nevermind , now, since I didn't hit cancel after typing this as is my
> usual habit when being sucked in by this type of argument, I'm as guilty as
> the rest... Damn. The difference is, at least I can take solice in the fact
> this is the last I'll have to say about it in this forum... lol

Unfortunately, these OT weasels only understand massive response. I applaud
you for your clarity.

Ty Ford





-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
(in article >):

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>
>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>> than
>>
>
> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
> Is A Pig" thread.



What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
about helping instead of adding to the problem.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
(in article >):

> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>
>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>> than
>>
>
> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
> Is A Pig" thread.



What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
about helping instead of adding to the problem.

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Don Cooper]

Peter Kaersaa wrote:

> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.


Then we'd *really* see some bad spelling!

[Don Cooper]

Peter Kaersaa wrote:

> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.


Then we'd *really* see some bad spelling!

[Tommy B]

That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
Still I think my message is the best of the thread.

Tom


"playon" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
> >(in article >):
> >
> >> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> >> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> >> a neumann in that missle launcher?
> >
> >I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
than
> >
>
> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
> Is A Pig" thread.

[Tommy B]

That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
Still I think my message is the best of the thread.

Tom


"playon" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
> >On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
> >(in article >):
> >
> >> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> >> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> >> a neumann in that missle launcher?
> >
> >I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
than
> >
>
> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
> Is A Pig" thread.

[Pete Dimsman]

joet wrote:



> Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
> without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.

Sadly, many can not. But I agree, they aren't going to listen to us either.

> And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
> contributing factor to loss of freedom.

At least that is what your kindergarten teacher repeatedly told you. No
recess for you young man.

[Pete Dimsman]

joet wrote:



> Fortunately there are many among us quite capable of arriving at decisions
> without the benefit of the random rantings of fanatics.

Sadly, many can not. But I agree, they aren't going to listen to us either.

> And (read this next part carefully)lack of self control is the number one
> contributing factor to loss of freedom.

At least that is what your kindergarten teacher repeatedly told you. No
recess for you young man.

[Don Cooper]

Tommy B wrote:

> That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
> Still I think my message is the best of the thread.


I'll vote for it!

[Don Cooper]

Tommy B wrote:

> That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
> Still I think my message is the best of the thread.


I'll vote for it!

[Jedd Haas]

In article >, wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> > enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> > a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

How many regime changes did those guys do over the past few years?

--
Jedd Haas - Artist
http://www.gallerytungsten.com
http://www.epsno.com

[Jedd Haas]

In article >, wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
> > enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
> > a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.

How many regime changes did those guys do over the past few years?

--
Jedd Haas - Artist
http://www.gallerytungsten.com
http://www.epsno.com

[playon]

Unfortunately the US election hugely impacts the entire planet.

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:47:56 -0400, Don Cooper
> wrote:

>
>
>Peter Kaersaa wrote:
>
>> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
>> what.
>> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
>> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
>
>
>Then we'd *really* see some bad spelling!

[playon]

Unfortunately the US election hugely impacts the entire planet.

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:47:56 -0400, Don Cooper
> wrote:

>
>
>Peter Kaersaa wrote:
>
>> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
>> what.
>> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
>> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
>
>
>Then we'd *really* see some bad spelling!

[playon]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>
>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>> than
>>>
>>
>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>> Is A Pig" thread.
>
>
>
>What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>about helping instead of adding to the problem.

You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
post OK?

Al

[playon]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>
>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>> than
>>>
>>
>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>> Is A Pig" thread.
>
>
>
>What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>about helping instead of adding to the problem.

You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
post OK?

Al

[Tommy B]

>I'll vote for it!

Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)

Tom



"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tommy B wrote:
>
> > That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
> > Still I think my message is the best of the thread.
>
>
> I'll vote for it!

[Tommy B]

>I'll vote for it!

Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)

Tom



"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tommy B wrote:
>
> > That is the most repugnent thread on the board.
> > Still I think my message is the best of the thread.
>
>
> I'll vote for it!

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:51:50 -0400, playon wrote
(in article >):

> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>>> (in article >):
>>>>
>>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>>
>>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>>> than
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>>> Is A Pig" thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>> about helping instead of adding to the problem.
>
> You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
> political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
> yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
> post OK?
>
> Al


I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.

As you well ****ing know, the number of OT posts are Waaay over the line.
Stop jerking yourself and me around and get on the ball.

Only if you do so in a constructive way to help the group.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:51:50 -0400, playon wrote
(in article >):

> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>> (in article >):
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>>> (in article >):
>>>>
>>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>>
>>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>>> than
>>>>
>>>
>>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>>> Is A Pig" thread.
>>
>>
>>
>> What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>> about helping instead of adding to the problem.
>
> You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
> political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
> yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
> post OK?
>
> Al


I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.

As you well ****ing know, the number of OT posts are Waaay over the line.
Stop jerking yourself and me around and get on the ball.

Only if you do so in a constructive way to help the group.

Ty Ford




-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Shawn]

I think the Internet was much better before other people started using it.

[Shawn]

I think the Internet was much better before other people started using it.

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.


That's an interesting expression.

[Don Cooper]

Ty Ford wrote:

> I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.


That's an interesting expression.

[Don Cooper]

Tommy B wrote:

> >I'll vote for it!
>
> Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)


I did.

I'll vote for it twice!

[Don Cooper]

Tommy B wrote:

> >I'll vote for it!
>
> Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)


I did.

I'll vote for it twice!

[playon]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:28:24 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:51:50 -0400, playon wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>>>> (in article >):
>>>>>
>>>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>>>> than
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>>>> Is A Pig" thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>>> about helping instead of adding to the problem.
>>
>> You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
>> political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
>> yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
>> post OK?
>>
>> Al
>
>
>I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.
>
>As you well ****ing know, the number of OT posts are Waaay over the line.
>Stop jerking yourself and me around and get on the ball.
>
>Only if you do so in a constructive way to help the group.
>
>Ty Ford

Or else what?

You may have noticed I have refrained from OT posting recently,
however it was not due to your playing cop.

Al

[playon]

On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 14:28:24 -0400, Ty Ford >
wrote:

>On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 12:51:50 -0400, playon wrote
>(in article >):
>
>> On Sat, 25 Sep 2004 09:28:30 -0400, Ty Ford >
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 22:05:22 -0400, playon wrote
>>> (in article >):
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 08:53:41 -0400, Ty Ford >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:53:13 -0400, bayydogg wrote
>>>>> (in article >):
>>>>>
>>>>>> pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>>>>> enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>>>>> a neumann in that missle launcher?
>>>>>
>>>>> I find elections and the political process are exponentially more boring
>>>>> than
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So I guess that's why you single them out over, say the "Scott Dorsey
>>>> Is A Pig" thread.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> What an OLD and tired comeback. You weed the garden one weed at a time. How
>>> about helping instead of adding to the problem.
>>
>> You are avoiding the point. You have always rankled more about OT
>> political posts than anything else, this is not a recent thing. Oh
>> yeah, if I mention my favorite mic at the end, does that make this
>> post OK?
>>
>> Al
>
>
>I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the waste.
>
>As you well ****ing know, the number of OT posts are Waaay over the line.
>Stop jerking yourself and me around and get on the ball.
>
>Only if you do so in a constructive way to help the group.
>
>Ty Ford

Or else what?

You may have noticed I have refrained from OT posting recently,
however it was not due to your playing cop.

Al

[Tommy B]

Fantastic, I can use the money.
Here's something I thought of this morning while walking my dog.

Why do I think, Mick & Keith are "Renaissance" men?
..
..
..
..
..
Beause they each look about 500 years old!

Tom



"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tommy B wrote:
>
> > >I'll vote for it!
> >
> > Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)
>
>
> I did.
>
> I'll vote for it twice!

[Tommy B]

Fantastic, I can use the money.
Here's something I thought of this morning while walking my dog.

Why do I think, Mick & Keith are "Renaissance" men?
..
..
..
..
..
Beause they each look about 500 years old!

Tom



"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Tommy B wrote:
>
> > >I'll vote for it!
> >
> > Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)
>
>
> I did.
>
> I'll vote for it twice!

[Roger W. Norman]

Particularly since it should be waist deep in the waste. But then again,
I'm not someone who normally calls someone on things like mispellings such
as "maroon"! <g> Then again, I never spent a lot of time watching those
cartoons either, stoned or not.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
> > I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the
waste.
>
>
> That's an interesting expression.

[Roger W. Norman]

Particularly since it should be waist deep in the waste. But then again,
I'm not someone who normally calls someone on things like mispellings such
as "maroon"! <g> Then again, I never spent a lot of time watching those
cartoons either, stoned or not.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ty Ford wrote:
>
> > I'm NOT avoiding anything. If anything I'm ****ing waste deep in the
waste.
>
>
> That's an interesting expression.

[Roger W. Norman]

I still like mine. Now that we've waited all these years for Mick to grow
into his lips, was it worth it?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Tommy B" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Fantastic, I can use the money.
> Here's something I thought of this morning while walking my dog.
>
> Why do I think, Mick & Keith are "Renaissance" men?
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> Beause they each look about 500 years old!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Tommy B wrote:
> >
> > > >I'll vote for it!
> > >
> > > Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)
> >
> >
> > I did.
> >
> > I'll vote for it twice!
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

I still like mine. Now that we've waited all these years for Mick to grow
into his lips, was it worth it?

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Tommy B" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Fantastic, I can use the money.
> Here's something I thought of this morning while walking my dog.
>
> Why do I think, Mick & Keith are "Renaissance" men?
> .
> .
> .
> .
> .
> Beause they each look about 500 years old!
>
> Tom
>
>
>
> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> >
> > Tommy B wrote:
> >
> > > >I'll vote for it!
> > >
> > > Thanks Don, and I hope you read it too. ;-)
> >
> >
> > I did.
> >
> > I'll vote for it twice!
>
>

[John Noll]

Peter Kaersaa wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>>pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
>
> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
>
> Posting political messages in a audio group is just plain stupid
>

Please add that last line to the RAP charter.
Thank you.

--
--
John Noll

[John Noll]

Peter Kaersaa wrote:
> In article >,
> says...
>
>>pro audio gear is boring. this is an election year. people are
>>enthralled by war, not mics, unless mics are used in war. hey, is that
>>a neumann in that missle launcher?
>
>
> This is not a US only group, You may have an election year, so
> what.
> I wonder how you would react if I started posting messages about
> Mogens Lykketoft and Anders Fogh Rasmussen.
>
> Posting political messages in a audio group is just plain stupid
>

Please add that last line to the RAP charter.
Thank you.

--
--
John Noll