bew solution for old problem- singing pianist

[paul tumolo]

I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.

I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul tumolo" > wrote in message

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the
> piano. I've used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but
> I want to keep the lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of
> building a "box" or some such structure that fits over the piano
> between the vocal mic and the strings. I don't know if this was open
> or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the
> "box"- for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic.

Seems to me you want to build a mid-sized wall of some non-resonant
material, surfaced with sound-absorbant material on both sides. I'm thinking
of a couple-three sheets of 3/4" MDF covered with thick layers of Corning
703 on both sides. On the bottom of the piano it would run behind the
pedals, on the top it would probably run behind the music stand. Seal it to
the piano with weather-stripping rope caulk.

[Arny Krueger]

"paul tumolo" > wrote in message

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the
> piano. I've used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but
> I want to keep the lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of
> building a "box" or some such structure that fits over the piano
> between the vocal mic and the strings. I don't know if this was open
> or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the
> "box"- for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic.

Seems to me you want to build a mid-sized wall of some non-resonant
material, surfaced with sound-absorbant material on both sides. I'm thinking
of a couple-three sheets of 3/4" MDF covered with thick layers of Corning
703 on both sides. On the bottom of the piano it would run behind the
pedals, on the top it would probably run behind the music stand. Seal it to
the piano with weather-stripping rope caulk.

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off.

So what's stopping you? The pianist wants to be able to fix the
vocals? **** him (or her). Find a mic placement that gives you a
decent voice and piano sound and don't worry about the leakage - move
the mics so that it works. Record the song, and if anything needs to
be fixed, re-record a couple of measures before and after the problem
and edit. But make that decision immediately, not three months later
when you're mixing and the singer is on tour.


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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off.

So what's stopping you? The pianist wants to be able to fix the
vocals? **** him (or her). Find a mic placement that gives you a
decent voice and piano sound and don't worry about the leakage - move
the mics so that it works. Record the song, and if anything needs to
be fixed, re-record a couple of measures before and after the problem
and edit. But make that decision immediately, not three months later
when you're mixing and the singer is on tour.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[agent86]

Mike Rivers wrote:

>
> In article >
> writes:
>
>> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano.
>> I've used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to
>> keep the lid open, at full stick or even off.
>
> So what's stopping you? The pianist wants to be able to fix the
> vocals? **** him (or her).

For that, you'll want the lid closed & the blankets on.

[agent86]

Mike Rivers wrote:

>
> In article >
> writes:
>
>> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano.
>> I've used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to
>> keep the lid open, at full stick or even off.
>
> So what's stopping you? The pianist wants to be able to fix the
> vocals? **** him (or her).

For that, you'll want the lid closed & the blankets on.

[Laurence Payne]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:46:55 -0700, "paul tumolo"
> wrote:

>I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
>used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
>lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
>such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
>strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
>I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
>for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.
>

Do you not want to record the piano? Give him an electric keyboard
to play and cans.

If you DO want to record the piano, why the separation fetish?

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[Laurence Payne]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 22:46:55 -0700, "paul tumolo"
> wrote:

>I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
>used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
>lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
>such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
>strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
>I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
>for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.
>

Do you not want to record the piano? Give him an electric keyboard
to play and cans.

If you DO want to record the piano, why the separation fetish?

CubaseFAQ www.laurencepayne.co.uk/CubaseFAQ.htm
"Possibly the world's least impressive web site": George Perfect

[hank alrich]

paul tumolo wrote:

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
> such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
> strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
> for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.

Consider a figure-8 mic for the vocal, and put the piano in the null. Or
a hypercard. Etc.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

paul tumolo wrote:

> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
> such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
> strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
> for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.

Consider a figure-8 mic for the vocal, and put the piano in the null. Or
a hypercard. Etc.

--
ha

[jerry]

"paul tumolo" > wrote in message >...
> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
> such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
> strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
> for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.

Why not learn how to place mics so that the bleed is working for you?
It seems to me like creating boundries around things will result in
unatural reflections and tonal shifts - I could be wronge.

[jerry]

"paul tumolo" > wrote in message >...
> I have a singing pianist who I want to record while playing the piano. I've
> used keeping the lid shut and covered with blankets, but I want to keep the
> lid open, at full stick or even off. I've heard of building a "box" or some
> such structure that fits over the piano between the vocal mic and the
> strings. I don't know if this was open or closed top.
>
> I am looking for suggestions- particularly mechanical, such as the "box"-
> for keep a reasonable amount of bleed out of the vocal mic. Thanks.

Why not learn how to place mics so that the bleed is working for you?
It seems to me like creating boundries around things will result in
unatural reflections and tonal shifts - I could be wronge.