dynamic mic elements?

[Jay Kadis]

We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well for many
experimental applications. What I need for a new project is a dynamic capsule
of similar size and cost that isn't quite as susceptible to moisture-induced
failure. Frequency response isn't critical, but sensitivity and noise are
somewhat more important.

It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by subjects,
so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small, but it doesn't have to
be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.

Thanks.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

[Arny Krueger]

"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message

> We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well
> for many experimental applications. What I need for a new project is
> a dynamic capsule of similar size and cost that isn't quite as
> susceptible to moisture-induced failure. Frequency response isn't
> critical, but sensitivity and noise are somewhat more important.
>
> It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> subjects, so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small,
> but it doesn't have to be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.


www.digikey.com order number 423-1001-ND

[Arny Krueger]

"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message

> We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well
> for many experimental applications. What I need for a new project is
> a dynamic capsule of similar size and cost that isn't quite as
> susceptible to moisture-induced failure. Frequency response isn't
> critical, but sensitivity and noise are somewhat more important.
>
> It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> subjects, so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small,
> but it doesn't have to be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.


www.digikey.com order number 423-1001-ND

[Scott Dorsey]

Jay Kadis > wrote:
>
>We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well for many
>experimental applications. What I need for a new project is a dynamic capsule
>of similar size and cost that isn't quite as susceptible to moisture-induced
>failure. Frequency response isn't critical, but sensitivity and noise are
>somewhat more important.
>
>It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by subjects,
>so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small, but it doesn't have to
>be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.

There are not very many small dynamic elements that are any good at all, and
I think anything of any quality (ie. Shure SM-11) is going to be much more
expensive.

To be honest, I would start with the Panasonic catalogue, which has a few
small dynamic types of doubtful quality. I do not think digi-key carries
them, though.

High end response will not be good, and the omnis will not be very omni.
If you can live with poor high end, have you considered a WM-60 in a mount
with a rubber membrane over it? Condom material will do nicely; dental dams
are probably too thick.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Jay Kadis > wrote:
>
>We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well for many
>experimental applications. What I need for a new project is a dynamic capsule
>of similar size and cost that isn't quite as susceptible to moisture-induced
>failure. Frequency response isn't critical, but sensitivity and noise are
>somewhat more important.
>
>It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by subjects,
>so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small, but it doesn't have to
>be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.

There are not very many small dynamic elements that are any good at all, and
I think anything of any quality (ie. Shure SM-11) is going to be much more
expensive.

To be honest, I would start with the Panasonic catalogue, which has a few
small dynamic types of doubtful quality. I do not think digi-key carries
them, though.

High end response will not be good, and the omnis will not be very omni.
If you can live with poor high end, have you considered a WM-60 in a mount
with a rubber membrane over it? Condom material will do nicely; dental dams
are probably too thick.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Jay Kadis]

In article >, (Scott Dorsey)
wrote:

> Jay Kadis > wrote:
> >
> >We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well for
> >many
> >experimental applications. What I need for a new project is a dynamic
> >capsule
> >of similar size and cost that isn't quite as susceptible to moisture-induced
> >failure. Frequency response isn't critical, but sensitivity and noise are
> >somewhat more important.
> >
> >It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> >subjects,
> >so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small, but it doesn't
> >have to
> >be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.
>
> There are not very many small dynamic elements that are any good at all, and
> I think anything of any quality (ie. Shure SM-11) is going to be much more
> expensive.
>
> To be honest, I would start with the Panasonic catalogue, which has a few
> small dynamic types of doubtful quality. I do not think digi-key carries
> them, though.
>
> High end response will not be good, and the omnis will not be very omni.
> If you can live with poor high end, have you considered a WM-60 in a mount
> with a rubber membrane over it? Condom material will do nicely; dental dams
> are probably too thick.
> --scott


I tried the condom on the WM-60 when I recorded my Jacuzzi draining in 6 channel
surround, but in my hands it cut the sensitivity (oh, maybe I should have used
those "sensitive" ones...) quite a bit. Arny recommended the Knowles BJ-1590,
but it's 10x the price of the Panasonic.

Maybe we'll try the condom again.

Thanks.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Jay Kadis]

In article >, (Scott Dorsey)
wrote:

> Jay Kadis > wrote:
> >
> >We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well for
> >many
> >experimental applications. What I need for a new project is a dynamic
> >capsule
> >of similar size and cost that isn't quite as susceptible to moisture-induced
> >failure. Frequency response isn't critical, but sensitivity and noise are
> >somewhat more important.
> >
> >It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> >subjects,
> >so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small, but it doesn't
> >have to
> >be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.
>
> There are not very many small dynamic elements that are any good at all, and
> I think anything of any quality (ie. Shure SM-11) is going to be much more
> expensive.
>
> To be honest, I would start with the Panasonic catalogue, which has a few
> small dynamic types of doubtful quality. I do not think digi-key carries
> them, though.
>
> High end response will not be good, and the omnis will not be very omni.
> If you can live with poor high end, have you considered a WM-60 in a mount
> with a rubber membrane over it? Condom material will do nicely; dental dams
> are probably too thick.
> --scott


I tried the condom on the WM-60 when I recorded my Jacuzzi draining in 6 channel
surround, but in my hands it cut the sensitivity (oh, maybe I should have used
those "sensitive" ones...) quite a bit. Arny recommended the Knowles BJ-1590,
but it's 10x the price of the Panasonic.

Maybe we'll try the condom again.

Thanks.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Jay Kadis]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
>
> > We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well
> > for many experimental applications. What I need for a new project is
> > a dynamic capsule of similar size and cost that isn't quite as
> > susceptible to moisture-induced failure. Frequency response isn't
> > critical, but sensitivity and noise are somewhat more important.
> >
> > It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> > subjects, so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small,
> > but it doesn't have to be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.
>
>
> www.digikey.com order number 423-1001-ND
>
>

Thanks. They're 10x as expensive, but we'll try them if Scott's condom cover
doesn't work.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x

[Jay Kadis]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
>
> > We've been using the Panasonic WM-60 capsules and they work very well
> > for many experimental applications. What I need for a new project is
> > a dynamic capsule of similar size and cost that isn't quite as
> > susceptible to moisture-induced failure. Frequency response isn't
> > critical, but sensitivity and noise are somewhat more important.
> >
> > It's for long-term monitoring of the sonic environment to be worn by
> > subjects, so it should be fairly light weight and relatively small,
> > but it doesn't have to be as small as the Panasonics. Cheap is good.
>
>
> www.digikey.com order number 423-1001-ND
>
>

Thanks. They're 10x as expensive, but we'll try them if Scott's condom cover
doesn't work.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ------x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x---------- http://ccrma.stanford.edu/~jay/ ------------x