Need suggestions for hotter PA mic

[Songster]

I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
singer/songwriter opportunities.

I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.

Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.

Thanks

[Chris Johnson]

You cant go wrong with a Shure SM 57 or 58. Not sure of the price used- I
think one of them would be under $100

Chris


"murray" > wrote in message ...
> some cheaper AKG mikes are pretty good.
>
> i got his one, it's good.....
>
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>
> "Songster" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> > little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> > suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> > singer/songwriter opportunities.
> >
> > I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> > it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> > hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> > Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
> >
> > Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> > little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> > Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

[George]

In article >,
(Songster) wrote:

> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
> Thanks

if it has phantom power get a cad 95 or 195
the 195 replaced the 95
george

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> (Songster) wrote:
>
>> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
>> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
>> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
>> singer/songwriter opportunities.
>>
>> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased
>> with it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used
>> to hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And
>> the Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>>
>> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with
>> a little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
>> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>>
>> Thanks
>
> if it has phantom power get a cad 95 or 195
> the 195 replaced the 95

Agreed. I replaced a bunch of pop-filtered 57s with CAD 95s. Everybody seems
much happier, including the performers, the listners, me...

[shiloh]

Get a shure. BUt the Behringer 8500 is very cheap and sounds the same as a
sm58

"Songster" > wrote in message
om...
>I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
> Thanks

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort.

> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.

Shure. SM-(pick a number between 57 and 58)

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[Roger W. Norman]

Why believe it's the mic's fault when you have a nic pre? I doubt seriously
that you'll get much better out of a high quality mic, but you can try what
you have with a separate 48 v phantom unit and use your TLM103 with the
Escort to test out whether it's the mic or the pres. My guess is that it's
the channel strips in the Escort, and you're simply stuck with that.

But, a fair dynamic is an ATM63HE, which makes a darned nice replacement for
a Shure 57 or even a Beta 57A for somewhere inbetween on price. But not $50
to 75. More like right around $100. A separate phantom power unit could
run maybe $39, so that would be my suggestion. My wife uses one on her
Neumann KMS 105 for tying into the JBL Powered EON 15. It's a reasonable
solution to use a better mic on a lesser quality unit.

But like I said, I don't believe you're going to find it raising the unit up
another level.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Songster" > wrote in message
om...
> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
> Thanks

[Eric K. Weber]

Why suspect the mic preamp? If it is not the cheap microphone the speaker
is the more likely cause of poor sound quality....


Rgds:
Eric

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
...
> Why believe it's the mic's fault when you have a nic pre? I doubt
seriously
> that you'll get much better out of a high quality mic, but you can try
what
> you have with a separate 48 v phantom unit and use your TLM103 with the
> Escort to test out whether it's the mic or the pres. My guess is that
it's
> the channel strips in the Escort, and you're simply stuck with that.
>
> But, a fair dynamic is an ATM63HE, which makes a darned nice replacement
for
> a Shure 57 or even a Beta 57A for somewhere inbetween on price. But not
$50
> to 75. More like right around $100. A separate phantom power unit could
> run maybe $39, so that would be my suggestion. My wife uses one on her
> Neumann KMS 105 for tying into the JBL Powered EON 15. It's a reasonable
> solution to use a better mic on a lesser quality unit.
>
> But like I said, I don't believe you're going to find it raising the unit
up
> another level.
>
> --
>
>
> Roger W. Norman
> SirMusic Studio
>
> "Songster" > wrote in message
> om...
> > I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> > little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> > suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> > singer/songwriter opportunities.
> >
> > I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> > it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> > hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> > Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
> >
> > Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> > little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> > Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
> >
> > Thanks
>
>

[Karl Winkler]

(Songster) wrote in message >...
> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
> Thanks

I don't think you'll realistically be able to approach the sound of a
Neumann through a Great River with your system no matter what mic you
connect it to... but especially not for less than $75! However, on the
used market, look for one of the following:

Shure Beta 58
Sennheiser e835
Audix OM5

If you can provide phantom power to the mic, then

Shure Beta 87
Sennheiser e865

Although I doubt you can find those, even used for less than $75.
However, I'm often surprised what can be found on the cheap.

Regards,

Karl Winkler
Lectrosonics, Inc.
http://www.lectrosonics.com

[Rob Reedijk]

Songster > wrote:
> I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> singer/songwriter opportunities.

> I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.

> Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.

If the SM58s don't do it for you, try one of the EV N/D series. The 257
is in your price range. I prefer it for my voice over the '58. And it
has a hotter output, and lower feedback problems. Some women don't
like them.

The nice thing about the 257 is that you also get a useable bass mic---I
have good results on Bass amps. I can't remember if I ever tried it
on kick drum, but I imagine it could be pretty good.

Rob R.

[Scott Dorsey]

Rob Reedijk > wrote:
>Songster > wrote:
>
>If the SM58s don't do it for you, try one of the EV N/D series. The 257
>is in your price range. I prefer it for my voice over the '58. And it
>has a hotter output, and lower feedback problems. Some women don't
>like them.

They have a little top end peak to them, which can be a problem on some
women's voices. Definitely a step up from the SM-58, though, in terms of
directionality and off-axis response.

>The nice thing about the 257 is that you also get a useable bass mic---I
>have good results on Bass amps. I can't remember if I ever tried it
>on kick drum, but I imagine it could be pretty good.

By the same token, the N/D 468, which is sold as a drum mike, is great on
vocals when you don't want a presence peak to them.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Joe L]

Why not take the Great River pre to the gig with you if you can. A small
upgrade mic wise $ and using the studio preamp should produce a good quality
signal that unless the pa is total garbage you should have a usable mic
sound.

I like the Audix for a upgrade to the Shures so it should kick the peavey's
ass, but I don't know if the used prices fit your budget. The Audix's have a
nicer high end to my ear, ideal would be an om5 to 7 but the om 2 to 4's
should work too. Check it out.

Joe L

[George]

In article <iIn1d.1934$%S.565@pd7tw2no>, "Joe L" >
wrote:

> Why not take the Great River pre to the gig with you if you can. A small
> upgrade mic wise $ and using the studio preamp should produce a good quality
> signal that unless the pa is total garbage you should have a usable mic
> sound.
>
> I like the Audix for a upgrade to the Shures so it should kick the peavey's
> ass, but I don't know if the used prices fit your budget. The Audix's have a
> nicer high end to my ear, ideal would be an om5 to 7 but the om 2 to 4's
> should work too. Check it out.
>
> Joe L
>
>

the om7's output is much lower than most mics with the same input level
George

[hank alrich]

George wrote:

> "Joe L" wrote:

> > Why not take the Great River pre to the gig with you if you can. A small
> > upgrade mic wise $ and using the studio preamp should produce a good quality
> > signal that unless the pa is total garbage you should have a usable mic
> > sound.

> > I like the Audix for a upgrade to the Shures so it should kick the peavey's
> > ass, but I don't know if the used prices fit your budget. The Audix's have a
> > nicer high end to my ear, ideal would be an om5 to 7 but the om 2 to 4's
> > should work too. Check it out.

> the om7's output is much lower than most mics with the same input level

Just another eason to take the Great River to the gigs; I do that and it
can make quite a difference in the quality of vocal delivery. I need all
the help I can get.

--
ha

[Serge Stodolnik]

Anybody's familiar with
Alesis MultiMix 12FX Compact 8-Channel Mixer?

http://www.kellyindustries.com/mixing_consoles/alesis_multimix_12fx.html

How good (or bad) are mic preams?


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[Serge Stodolnik]

Anybody's familiar with
Alesis MultiMix 12FX Compact 8-Channel Mixer?

http://www.kellyindustries.com/mixing_consoles/alesis_multimix_12fx.html

How good (or bad) are mic preams?


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[Roger W. Norman]

"Eric K. Weber" > wrote in message
...
> Why suspect the mic preamp? If it is not the cheap microphone the
speaker
> is the more likely cause of poor sound quality....

Perhaps the $.30 worth of electronics in the channel strip.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

>
>
> Rgds:
> Eric
>
> "Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Why believe it's the mic's fault when you have a nic pre? I doubt
> seriously
> > that you'll get much better out of a high quality mic, but you can try
> what
> > you have with a separate 48 v phantom unit and use your TLM103 with the
> > Escort to test out whether it's the mic or the pres. My guess is that
> it's
> > the channel strips in the Escort, and you're simply stuck with that.
> >
> > But, a fair dynamic is an ATM63HE, which makes a darned nice replacement
> for
> > a Shure 57 or even a Beta 57A for somewhere inbetween on price. But not
> $50
> > to 75. More like right around $100. A separate phantom power unit
could
> > run maybe $39, so that would be my suggestion. My wife uses one on her
> > Neumann KMS 105 for tying into the JBL Powered EON 15. It's a
reasonable
> > solution to use a better mic on a lesser quality unit.
> >
> > But like I said, I don't believe you're going to find it raising the
unit
> up
> > another level.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Roger W. Norman
> > SirMusic Studio
> >
> > "Songster" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> > > little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> > > suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> > > singer/songwriter opportunities.
> > >
> > > I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> > > it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> > > hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> > > Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> > > little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> > > Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

"Eric K. Weber" > wrote in message
...
> Why suspect the mic preamp? If it is not the cheap microphone the
speaker
> is the more likely cause of poor sound quality....

Perhaps the $.30 worth of electronics in the channel strip.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

>
>
> Rgds:
> Eric
>
> "Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Why believe it's the mic's fault when you have a nic pre? I doubt
> seriously
> > that you'll get much better out of a high quality mic, but you can try
> what
> > you have with a separate 48 v phantom unit and use your TLM103 with the
> > Escort to test out whether it's the mic or the pres. My guess is that
> it's
> > the channel strips in the Escort, and you're simply stuck with that.
> >
> > But, a fair dynamic is an ATM63HE, which makes a darned nice replacement
> for
> > a Shure 57 or even a Beta 57A for somewhere inbetween on price. But not
> $50
> > to 75. More like right around $100. A separate phantom power unit
could
> > run maybe $39, so that would be my suggestion. My wife uses one on her
> > Neumann KMS 105 for tying into the JBL Powered EON 15. It's a
reasonable
> > solution to use a better mic on a lesser quality unit.
> >
> > But like I said, I don't believe you're going to find it raising the
unit
> up
> > another level.
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Roger W. Norman
> > SirMusic Studio
> >
> > "Songster" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > > I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
> > > little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
> > > suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
> > > singer/songwriter opportunities.
> > >
> > > I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
> > > it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
> > > hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
> > > Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
> > >
> > > Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
> > > little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
> > > Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> >
> >
>
>

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
>little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
>suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
>singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
>I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
>it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
>hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
>Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
>Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
>little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
>Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
>Thanks
>

You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
through a $1500 preamp?

You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I just bought a portable PA system on Ebay, the Peavey Escort. Fun
>little 150watt 4 channel unit. It all kinda snaps together like a
>suitcase with wheels so it will be good for my small venue
>singer/songwriter opportunities.
>
>I've got it set up in my rec room to practice with and am pleased with
>it so far. Only thing is, in my little closet studio I'm used to
>hearing my voice through a TLM-103 via a Great River MP-2. And the
>Peavey mic that came with it sorta sucks.
>
>Can anyone point me in the right direction for a good vocal mic with a
>little more clarity? Maybe with a bit more mid-high end presence?
>Ideal used price range would be $50 to $75.
>
>Thanks
>

You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
through a $1500 preamp?

You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Songster]

(Richard Kuschel) wrote in message >...

> You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
> through a $1500 preamp?
>
> You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
> Richard H. Kuschel
> "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

lol. I guess that's the way I wrote it, but what I meant was I didn't
wanna shell out large scale bucks on a small scale portable PA system.
Still want a better mic than the stock el-cheapo one that comes with
it though.

Got some good suggestions here though and am looking at bumping up my
budget a bit and picking up an Audix OM-5.

[Songster]

(Richard Kuschel) wrote in message >...

> You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
> through a $1500 preamp?
>
> You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
> Richard H. Kuschel
> "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

lol. I guess that's the way I wrote it, but what I meant was I didn't
wanna shell out large scale bucks on a small scale portable PA system.
Still want a better mic than the stock el-cheapo one that comes with
it though.

Got some good suggestions here though and am looking at bumping up my
budget a bit and picking up an Audix OM-5.

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:30:31 -0400, Songster wrote
(in article >):

> (Richard Kuschel) wrote in message
> >...
>
>> You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
>> through a $1500 preamp?
>>
>> You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
>> Richard H. Kuschel
>> "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
>
> lol. I guess that's the way I wrote it, but what I meant was I didn't
> wanna shell out large scale bucks on a small scale portable PA system.
> Still want a better mic than the stock el-cheapo one that comes with
> it though.
>
> Got some good suggestions here though and am looking at bumping up my
> budget a bit and picking up an Audix OM-5.

Audio Technica AE5400

REgards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
stuff are at www.tyford.com

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 03:30:31 -0400, Songster wrote
(in article >):

> (Richard Kuschel) wrote in message
> >...
>
>> You expect a system that is less than $800 to sound like a $1000 microphone
>> through a $1500 preamp?
>>
>> You're going to have to change a little more than just the mic.
>> Richard H. Kuschel
>> "I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
>
> lol. I guess that's the way I wrote it, but what I meant was I didn't
> wanna shell out large scale bucks on a small scale portable PA system.
> Still want a better mic than the stock el-cheapo one that comes with
> it though.
>
> Got some good suggestions here though and am looking at bumping up my
> budget a bit and picking up an Audix OM-5.

Audio Technica AE5400

REgards,

Ty Ford



-- Ty Ford's equipment reviews, audio samples, rates and other audiocentric
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