How do you say Neumann? a poll

[TYY]

Gringo style or the real way

feel free to type it phonetically

[Thomas Bishop]

"TYY" > wrote in message
> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically

Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?

"TYY" > wrote in message
om...
> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically

It's "Noy", but if you were to say "New", people would still know what you
meant (but would probably just refer to you as: "that guy who can't say
'Neumann' right").

:D
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

[dt king]

> wrote in message
. ..
> "TYY" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Gringo style or the real way
> >
> > feel free to type it phonetically
>
> It's "Noy", but if you were to say "New", people would still know what you
> meant (but would probably just refer to you as: "that guy who can't say
> 'Neumann' right").

I pronounce it Newman, glaring, with my lips tight and my jaw clenched,
followed by a moment of sullen silence.

dtk

[Pooh Bear]

TYY wrote:

> Gringo style or the real way

How about German Style ?

How do you pronounce Georg ?


Graham

[TYY]

>
> Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?


My intent was not to debate or educate, but to take a poll. How many
native english speakers say "new-mun" how many say "noy-mon"?

I say porsh-a, but for some reason I still say newmun U87 despite
knowing better. Just curious to know if I'm the only gringo here.

[Bob Cain]

dt king wrote:

> I pronounce it Newman, glaring, with my lips tight and my jaw clenched,
> followed by a moment of sullen silence.

Damn! That does get it out just right. Remarkable.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Chris Whealy]

TYY wrote:
> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically

Well if you're going to pronounce it the way a German person would say
it, it would be "NOY-mahn", with the vowel sound in the first syllable
identical to the "oy" in "TOY", and a longer "ah" vowel sound in the
second syllable.

Generally, words starting with "Neu-" in German are pronounced "NOY-".
So Neutrik is "NOY-trick".

However, I guess lots of people will still understand you if you said
"NEW-man" or "NEW-trick" as in the English word "Neutral".

So much for consistency of pronunciation!!

Chris W

--
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
--

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"dt king" > wrote in message
news:vp81d.166545$9d6.80822@attbi_s54...
>
> I pronounce it Newman, glaring, with my lips tight and my jaw clenched,
> followed by a moment of sullen silence.

lol

[Bob Chandler]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message >...
> "TYY" > wrote in message
> > Gringo style or the real way
> >
> > feel free to type it phonetically
>
> Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?

The people who answer the phone at Neumann USA say "noy-mahn".


I've heard Neutrik pronounced "Noy -trick" but I don't know if that's correct.



bob

[Johann Burkard]

TYY wrote:
> Gringo style or the real way

With oi as in Oi Punk. Same as with Neutrik.

Johann
--
315733

[Rob Reedijk]

TYY > wrote:
>>
>> Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?


> My intent was not to debate or educate, but to take a poll. How many
> native english speakers say "new-mun" how many say "noy-mon"?

> I say porsh-a, but for some reason I still say newmun U87 despite
> knowing better. Just curious to know if I'm the only gringo here.

I believe that AES has addressed this often discussed question and their
ruling on it is that if you own one it is "noymahn" and if you hope to own
one it is "newman". If you don't hope to own one, it is pronounced
"apex".


Rob R.

[Carey Carlan]

(TYY) wrote in
om:

> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically

It depends on whether or not Alfred E. is speaking into it.

[Patrick L.]

"TYY" > wrote in message
om...
> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically



NOY-man



Patrick

[Johnny Terumo]

N-oi-mun

"TYY" > wrote in message
om...
> Gringo style or the real way
>
> feel free to type it phonetically

[jerry]

NOY - as in anNOYing

[ScotFraser]

<< My intent was not to debate or educate, but to take a poll. How many
native english speakers say "new-mun" how many say "noy-mon"?
>>

I've only heard the "new-mun" pronunciation a very few times in the last 30
years, & it came not from audio folk, but musicians who didn't really know a
Neumann from a Shure. It's one German pronunciation that English speakers seem
to get right.



Scott Fraser

[Bob]

On 12 Sep 2004 18:23:18 -0700, (TYY) wrote:

>Gringo style or the real way
>
>feel free to type it phonetically


Don't you watch Sinefeld?


NNNNNew-min!

[crow]

Some years back I had the great pleasure of performing and recording with
members of The Band. I asked Levon once when we were in the studio what mic
he thought sounded best for his voice. He said...<activating arkansas
drawl...> "Son, you just cain't beat that big norman..."

A km84 is a noy-min. U 47,48, 67, 87, M 49 etc are the BIG NORMANS

jepp

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 Sep 2004 18:23:18 -0700, (TYY) wrote:
>
> >Gringo style or the real way
> >
> >feel free to type it phonetically
>
>
> Don't you watch Sinefeld?
>
>
> NNNNNew-min!
>

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

> How do you say Neumann?


"Over there... yeah, that one... hand me that good mic".

[Thomas Althouse]

I say new-man or usually "you want @#%%^! $$$ for it?"

Tom eh!


"ScotFraser" > wrote in message
...
> << My intent was not to debate or educate, but to take a poll. How many
> native english speakers say "new-mun" how many say "noy-mon"?
> >>
>
> I've only heard the "new-mun" pronunciation a very few times in the last
> 30
> years, & it came not from audio folk, but musicians who didn't really know
> a
> Neumann from a Shure. It's one German pronunciation that English speakers
> seem
> to get right.
>
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[Kevin Kelly]

Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to what comes
out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)

The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
aargh!





Kevin M. Kelly
"There needs to be a 12-step program for us gearheads"

[Kevin Kelly]

Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to what comes
out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)

The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
aargh!





Kevin M. Kelly
"There needs to be a 12-step program for us gearheads"

[John]

>From: (Kevin Kelly)

>
>Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to what comes
>out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
>
>The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
>aargh!
>

So, here's what I've got...

Neumann = Noy'-man
Neutrik = Noy'-trick
Schoeps = Sheps
Nuendo = New-end'-oh
Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
Digidesign = fascist

Did I leave any out?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>From: (Kevin Kelly)

>
>Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to what comes
>out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
>
>The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
>aargh!
>

So, here's what I've got...

Neumann = Noy'-man
Neutrik = Noy'-trick
Schoeps = Sheps
Nuendo = New-end'-oh
Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
Digidesign = fascist

Did I leave any out?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 15 Sep 2004 02:48:53 GMT, (John) wrote:

>So, here's what I've got...
>
>Neumann = Noy'-man
>Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>Schoeps = Sheps
>Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>Digidesign = fascist
>
>Did I leave any out?

Cool. I've been trying to learn the Frog stuff cuz I love
the movies, but the German "eu" needs to be kinda with your
cheeks closer together, fer sure. Maybe less "y" in the "oy' ".
A hick American like me can't really get all three consecutive vowel
sounds to sound very convincing.

Chris Hornbeck
" ** this NG is chock full of metal midgets"

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 15 Sep 2004 02:48:53 GMT, (John) wrote:

>So, here's what I've got...
>
>Neumann = Noy'-man
>Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>Schoeps = Sheps
>Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>Digidesign = fascist
>
>Did I leave any out?

Cool. I've been trying to learn the Frog stuff cuz I love
the movies, but the German "eu" needs to be kinda with your
cheeks closer together, fer sure. Maybe less "y" in the "oy' ".
A hick American like me can't really get all three consecutive vowel
sounds to sound very convincing.

Chris Hornbeck
" ** this NG is chock full of metal midgets"

[John]

>From: Chris Hornbeck

>Cool. I've been trying to learn the Frog stuff cuz I love
>the movies, but the German "eu" needs to be kinda with your
>cheeks closer together, fer sure.

Well, most of the folks here say an Americanized version of Langevin, which is
what I typed above. French would be more like Lahn-zjhe-vah(n), with the last
syllable being more nasal than the first. It's a vowel sound that really
doesn't exist in English.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>From: Chris Hornbeck

>Cool. I've been trying to learn the Frog stuff cuz I love
>the movies, but the German "eu" needs to be kinda with your
>cheeks closer together, fer sure.

Well, most of the folks here say an Americanized version of Langevin, which is
what I typed above. French would be more like Lahn-zjhe-vah(n), with the last
syllable being more nasal than the first. It's a vowel sound that really
doesn't exist in English.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 15 Sep 2004 04:50:15 GMT, (John) wrote:

>Well, most of the folks here say an Americanized version of Langevin, which is
>what I typed above. French would be more like Lahn-zjhe-vah(n), with the last
>syllable being more nasal than the first. It's a vowel sound that really
>doesn't exist in English.

Sorry, didn't mean to criticize your French, which I only know, and
vaguely, from records. And my German is pushing forty years old.

It's funny that I still remember the little Korean I learned from
living there, but all my childhood languages (at which I was a whiz!)
are mostly gone.

But my German teacher, who'd escaped from Czechoslovakia, got enough
pronuciation into me to last my lifetime. Thank you, Mrs. Guenter.

Mit der Umlaut,

Chris Hornbeck

[Chris Hornbeck]

On 15 Sep 2004 04:50:15 GMT, (John) wrote:

>Well, most of the folks here say an Americanized version of Langevin, which is
>what I typed above. French would be more like Lahn-zjhe-vah(n), with the last
>syllable being more nasal than the first. It's a vowel sound that really
>doesn't exist in English.

Sorry, didn't mean to criticize your French, which I only know, and
vaguely, from records. And my German is pushing forty years old.

It's funny that I still remember the little Korean I learned from
living there, but all my childhood languages (at which I was a whiz!)
are mostly gone.

But my German teacher, who'd escaped from Czechoslovakia, got enough
pronuciation into me to last my lifetime. Thank you, Mrs. Guenter.

Mit der Umlaut,

Chris Hornbeck

[[email protected]]

(John) wrote in message >...
> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>
> So, here's what I've got...
>
> Neumann = Noy'-man
> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> Schoeps = Sheps
> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> Digidesign = fascist
>
> Did I leave any out?
>
> -John Vice
> www.summertimestudios.com

Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger •
ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

will

[[email protected]]

(John) wrote in message >...
> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>
> So, here's what I've got...
>
> Neumann = Noy'-man
> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> Schoeps = Sheps
> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> Digidesign = fascist
>
> Did I leave any out?
>
> -John Vice
> www.summertimestudios.com

Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger •
ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

will

[Chris Whealy]

> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger =95=

> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
> old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

Ja, genau richtig.

Chris W

--=20
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
--

[Chris Whealy]

> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger =95=

> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
> old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

Ja, genau richtig.

Chris W

--=20
The voice of ignorance speaks loud and long,
but the words of the wise are quiet and few.
--

[Philipp Wachtel]

>> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>> Schoeps = Sheps
>> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> Digidesign = fascist
>>
>> Did I leave any out?

> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable.

well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
"Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.

So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
"SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
each other...

"Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)


Best wishes from good old yurop (yes, we already have computers) ;-D

Phil from Germany

[Philipp Wachtel]

>> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>> Schoeps = Sheps
>> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> Digidesign = fascist
>>
>> Did I leave any out?

> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable.

well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
"Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.

So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
"SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
each other...

"Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)


Best wishes from good old yurop (yes, we already have computers) ;-D

Phil from Germany

[normanstrong]

"John" > wrote in message
...
> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>
> >
> >Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to
what comes
> >out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
> >
> >The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
> >aargh!
> >
>
> So, here's what I've got...
>
> Neumann = Noy'-man
> Neutrik = Noy'-trick

Noy-trick is correct, but I still prefer to call it new-trick.
Noy-trick sounds affectatious.

> Schoeps = Sheps
> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> Digidesign = fascist

Norm Strong

[normanstrong]

"John" > wrote in message
...
> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>
> >
> >Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to
what comes
> >out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
> >
> >The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
> >aargh!
> >
>
> So, here's what I've got...
>
> Neumann = Noy'-man
> Neutrik = Noy'-trick

Noy-trick is correct, but I still prefer to call it new-trick.
Noy-trick sounds affectatious.

> Schoeps = Sheps
> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> Digidesign = fascist

Norm Strong

[John]

>"John" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>>
>> >
>> >Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to
>what comes
>> >out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
>> >
>> >The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
>> >aargh!
>> >
>>
>> So, here's what I've got...
>>
>> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>
>Noy-trick is correct, but I still prefer to call it new-trick.
>Noy-trick sounds affectatious.
>
>> Schoeps = Sheps
>> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> Digidesign = fascist
>
>Norm Strong

That reminds me... I left out:
Neve = Neeve
What kind of list would it be without that?


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>"John" > wrote in message
...
>> >From: (Kevin Kelly)
>>
>> >
>> >Put "Neumann U87" in one of dubya's campaign speeches, listen to
>what comes
>> >out, and say it the other way. (Bet he'd say "new-man".)
>> >
>> >The audio industry's own little "Nook- you-lur"
>> >aargh!
>> >
>>
>> So, here's what I've got...
>>
>> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>
>Noy-trick is correct, but I still prefer to call it new-trick.
>Noy-trick sounds affectatious.
>
>> Schoeps = Sheps
>> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> Digidesign = fascist
>
>Norm Strong

That reminds me... I left out:
Neve = Neeve
What kind of list would it be without that?


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[A. & G. Reiswig]

What about Gefell?

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
...
> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> >> Schoeps = Sheps
> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> >> Digidesign = fascist
> >>
> >> Did I leave any out?
>
> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> > syllable.
>
> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>
> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
> each other...
>
> "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who
speaks
> french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)
>
>
> Best wishes from good old yurop (yes, we already have computers) ;-D
>
> Phil from Germany
>
>

[A. & G. Reiswig]

What about Gefell?

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
...
> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> >> Schoeps = Sheps
> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> >> Digidesign = fascist
> >>
> >> Did I leave any out?
>
> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> > syllable.
>
> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>
> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
> each other...
>
> "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who
speaks
> french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)
>
>
> Best wishes from good old yurop (yes, we already have computers) ;-D
>
> Phil from Germany
>
>

[Philipp Wachtel]

> What about Gefell?

In German the letter "G" is always pronounced "hard" (like in "great"), not
"soft" (like in gender) like in English, French, Italian and a few other
languages. Well, actually there are some German regional dialects where the
"G" is pronounced softer, but formally in plain German it´s pronounced hard
like in "great".

Example: "Gefell" might be written "Guefell" (similar to "guess" - you
write the "u" but only pronounce the "e" following it) for correct English
pronunciation

I think, the correct pronunciation of the "umlaute" can be compared to the
"th" in English - just to give an idea ;-) it´s hard, if you ´haven´t
learned it from child´s age. My experience is that American students of
German had no real problems with "ä" and "ü" but "ö" is more difficult.

Any other questions?


Phil

[Philipp Wachtel]

> What about Gefell?

In German the letter "G" is always pronounced "hard" (like in "great"), not
"soft" (like in gender) like in English, French, Italian and a few other
languages. Well, actually there are some German regional dialects where the
"G" is pronounced softer, but formally in plain German it´s pronounced hard
like in "great".

Example: "Gefell" might be written "Guefell" (similar to "guess" - you
write the "u" but only pronounce the "e" following it) for correct English
pronunciation

I think, the correct pronunciation of the "umlaute" can be compared to the
"th" in English - just to give an idea ;-) it´s hard, if you ´haven´t
learned it from child´s age. My experience is that American students of
German had no real problems with "ä" and "ü" but "ö" is more difficult.

Any other questions?


Phil

[A. & G. Reiswig]

Yep...I pretty much knew what you said here, but it's nice to get
confirmation, so thanks! My question (idiot moi for not being more to the
point earlier) was primarily around emphasis:

Suppose the * is a schwa sound.
Is it GEF-*l (emphasis on first syllable), or geh-FELL?

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
...
> > What about Gefell?
>
> In German the letter "G" is always pronounced "hard" (like in "great"),
not
> "soft" (like in gender) like in English, French, Italian and a few other
> languages. Well, actually there are some German regional dialects where
the
> "G" is pronounced softer, but formally in plain German it´s pronounced
hard
> like in "great".
>
> Example: "Gefell" might be written "Guefell" (similar to "guess" - you
> write the "u" but only pronounce the "e" following it) for correct English
> pronunciation
>
> I think, the correct pronunciation of the "umlaute" can be compared to the
> "th" in English - just to give an idea ;-) it´s hard, if you ´haven´t
> learned it from child´s age. My experience is that American students of
> German had no real problems with "ä" and "ü" but "ö" is more difficult.
>
> Any other questions?
>
>
> Phil
>
>

[A. & G. Reiswig]

Yep...I pretty much knew what you said here, but it's nice to get
confirmation, so thanks! My question (idiot moi for not being more to the
point earlier) was primarily around emphasis:

Suppose the * is a schwa sound.
Is it GEF-*l (emphasis on first syllable), or geh-FELL?

George Reiswig
Song of the River Music

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
...
> > What about Gefell?
>
> In German the letter "G" is always pronounced "hard" (like in "great"),
not
> "soft" (like in gender) like in English, French, Italian and a few other
> languages. Well, actually there are some German regional dialects where
the
> "G" is pronounced softer, but formally in plain German it´s pronounced
hard
> like in "great".
>
> Example: "Gefell" might be written "Guefell" (similar to "guess" - you
> write the "u" but only pronounce the "e" following it) for correct English
> pronunciation
>
> I think, the correct pronunciation of the "umlaute" can be compared to the
> "th" in English - just to give an idea ;-) it´s hard, if you ´haven´t
> learned it from child´s age. My experience is that American students of
> German had no real problems with "ä" and "ü" but "ö" is more difficult.
>
> Any other questions?
>
>
> Phil
>
>

[Philipp Wachtel]

> Yep...I pretty much knew what you said here, but it's nice to get
> confirmation, so thanks!

no problem at all ;-)

> My question (idiot moi for not being more to the
> point earlier) was primarily around emphasis:
>
> Suppose the * is a schwa sound.

what do you mean by "schwa" ???

> Is it GEF-*l (emphasis on first syllable), or geh-FELL?

well, good question. partly depends on the region, which syllable gets the
emphasis. People from southern Germany, Switzerland or Austria are likely to
leave the first syllable out if it´s just so short -> "G´fell"

I personally would choose the "GEF-*l" variation. Some years ago, I tried to
learn Finnish (crazy but very nice people from the far eastern north of
europe), which is a really hard language to learn. Anyway, inFinnish there´s
a straight rule to ALWAYS emphasize the FIRST syllable...


Best wishes,

Phil

[Philipp Wachtel]

> Yep...I pretty much knew what you said here, but it's nice to get
> confirmation, so thanks!

no problem at all ;-)

> My question (idiot moi for not being more to the
> point earlier) was primarily around emphasis:
>
> Suppose the * is a schwa sound.

what do you mean by "schwa" ???

> Is it GEF-*l (emphasis on first syllable), or geh-FELL?

well, good question. partly depends on the region, which syllable gets the
emphasis. People from southern Germany, Switzerland or Austria are likely to
leave the first syllable out if it´s just so short -> "G´fell"

I personally would choose the "GEF-*l" variation. Some years ago, I tried to
learn Finnish (crazy but very nice people from the far eastern north of
europe), which is a really hard language to learn. Anyway, inFinnish there´s
a straight rule to ALWAYS emphasize the FIRST syllable...


Best wishes,

Phil

[Rob Reedijk]

Philipp Wachtel > wrote:
>>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin

> "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
> french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)

Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
short a bit.

Rob R.
Not a real Frenchman, not a real Quebecker, some sort of a Canadian
a bit of a Dutchman.

[Rob Reedijk]

Philipp Wachtel > wrote:
>>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin

> "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
> french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)

Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
short a bit.

Rob R.
Not a real Frenchman, not a real Quebecker, some sort of a Canadian
a bit of a Dutchman.

[Geoff Wood]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
. ..
> "TYY" > wrote in message
>> Gringo style or the real way
>>
>> feel free to type it phonetically
>
> Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?


.... and Braun .

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Thomas Bishop" > wrote in message
. ..
> "TYY" > wrote in message
>> Gringo style or the real way
>>
>> feel free to type it phonetically
>
> Here we go again. What about Neutrik while we're at it?


.... and Braun .

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
> TYY wrote:
>
>> Gringo style or the real way
>
> How about German Style ?
>
> How do you pronounce Georg ?

Hint, it sounds like a homosexual advocacy group.


geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
...
> TYY wrote:
>
>> Gringo style or the real way
>
> How about German Style ?
>
> How do you pronounce Georg ?

Hint, it sounds like a homosexual advocacy group.


geoff

[Rob Reedijk]

Geoff Wood -nospam> wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>>
>> How do you pronounce Georg ?

> Hint, it sounds like a homosexual advocacy group.

> geoff

And how do you say "Geoff"?

Just kidding, "Jeff"

Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

[Rob Reedijk]

Geoff Wood -nospam> wrote:

> "Pooh Bear" > wrote in message
>>
>> How do you pronounce Georg ?

> Hint, it sounds like a homosexual advocacy group.

> geoff

And how do you say "Geoff"?

Just kidding, "Jeff"

Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

[Kurt Albershardt]

Rob Reedijk wrote:
>
> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

So how do you say it?

[Kurt Albershardt]

Rob Reedijk wrote:
>
> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

So how do you say it?

[Geoff Wood]

"Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
...
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>>
>> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)
>
> So how do you say it?


Arrrr .


geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
...
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>>
>> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)
>
> So how do you say it?


Arrrr .


geoff

[ScotFraser]

<< > So how do you say it?>>


<<Arrrr . >>

Well, that's how a pirate would say it.


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< > So how do you say it?>>


<<Arrrr . >>

Well, that's how a pirate would say it.


Scott Fraser

[Rob Reedijk]

ScotFraser > wrote:
> << > So how do you say it?>>


> <<Arrrr . >>

> Well, that's how a pirate would say it.

But I don't want to be a pirate.

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

ScotFraser > wrote:
> << > So how do you say it?>>


> <<Arrrr . >>

> Well, that's how a pirate would say it.

But I don't want to be a pirate.

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

Kurt Albershardt > wrote:
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>>
>> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

> So how do you say it?

"Ray-Dike" is how I pronounce it. In the Netherlands it would actually
have a rolling gutteral R in the front. When my parents emigrated to
Canada, they and others in the family actually started pronouncing it
"Ree-Dick", like the first half of "ridiculous". Other members of
the family started to spell it "Reedyk" since the "ij" in Dutch is
actually is one letter, sort of like the "ae" from Latin. The "y" also
was easier for Canadians to cope with. I probably would have not been
called "Reject" as much. Well, hopefully...

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

Kurt Albershardt > wrote:
> Rob Reedijk wrote:
>>
>> Rob R. (A guy with a last name that no one ever pronounces correctly)

> So how do you say it?

"Ray-Dike" is how I pronounce it. In the Netherlands it would actually
have a rolling gutteral R in the front. When my parents emigrated to
Canada, they and others in the family actually started pronouncing it
"Ree-Dick", like the first half of "ridiculous". Other members of
the family started to spell it "Reedyk" since the "ij" in Dutch is
actually is one letter, sort of like the "ae" from Latin. The "y" also
was easier for Canadians to cope with. I probably would have not been
called "Reject" as much. Well, hopefully...

Rob R.

[Buster Mudd]

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message >...
> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> >> Schoeps = Sheps
> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> >> Digidesign = fascist
> >>
> >> Did I leave any out?
>
> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> > syllable.
>
> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>
> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
> each other...
>

Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
to make an "R" sound?

[Buster Mudd]

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message >...
> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> >> Schoeps = Sheps
> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> >> Digidesign = fascist
> >>
> >> Did I leave any out?
>
> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> > syllable.
>
> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>
> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
> each other...
>

Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
to make an "R" sound?

[Philipp Wachtel]

>> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
>> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
>> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters
>> following
>> each other...
>>
>
> Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
> your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
> to make an "R" sound?

"sheps" is definitely wrong. i can´t really describe it better, but the "Ö"
is pronounced pretty similar to the "eu" in French (like in "monsiEUr")...
hope that helps you a little.

"Braun" is pronounced pretty much like "Brown" - NOT "Brawn" !!! ;-)

"Telefunken" is pronounced alomst like "Teh-leh-foonkan" (looks interesting
written this way ;-) )


phil

[Philipp Wachtel]

>> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
>> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
>> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters
>> following
>> each other...
>>
>
> Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
> your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
> to make an "R" sound?

"sheps" is definitely wrong. i can´t really describe it better, but the "Ö"
is pronounced pretty similar to the "eu" in French (like in "monsiEUr")...
hope that helps you a little.

"Braun" is pronounced pretty much like "Brown" - NOT "Brawn" !!! ;-)

"Telefunken" is pronounced alomst like "Teh-leh-foonkan" (looks interesting
written this way ;-) )


phil

[John]

>From: (Buster Mudd)

>
>"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
>...
>> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>> >> Schoeps = Sheps
>> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> >> Digidesign = fascist
>> >>
>> >> Did I leave any out?
>>
>> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
>> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
>> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
>> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
>> > syllable.
>>
>> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
>> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>>
>> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
>> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
>> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
>> each other...
>>
>
>Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
>your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
>to make an "R" sound?
>
Well, that's what I was wondering... It appears to me that if you go by the
above explanation, you'd pronounce it "sherps."

Which doesn't seem quite right to me... but maybe we can get some
clarification. Besides, if that actually is correct, I can make a concious
decision to pronounce it incorrectly. "Sheps" flows better off the lazy
American tongue.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>From: (Buster Mudd)

>
>"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message
>...
>> >> Neumann = Noy'-man
>> >> Neutrik = Noy'-trick
>> >> Schoeps = Sheps
>> >> Nuendo = New-end'-oh
>> >> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>> >> Digidesign = fascist
>> >>
>> >> Did I leave any out?
>>
>> > Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
>> > with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
>> > the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger .
>> > ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
>> > syllable.
>>
>> well, quite realistic yet ;-) In German language we have the so-called
>> "Umlaute" which can be written in 2 ways ä=ae, ö=oe and ü=ue.
>>
>> So, the name "GOEthe" COULD also be written "GÖthe" and "SchOEps" /
>> "SchÖps"-> I use this example to show, that just because there are 2
>> letters, they are not necessarily pronounced as 2 single letters following
>> each other...
>>
>
>Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
>your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
>to make an "R" sound?
>
Well, that's what I was wondering... It appears to me that if you go by the
above explanation, you'd pronounce it "sherps."

Which doesn't seem quite right to me... but maybe we can get some
clarification. Besides, if that actually is correct, I can make a concious
decision to pronounce it incorrectly. "Sheps" flows better off the lazy
American tongue.
-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[Philipp Wachtel]

>>Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
>>your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
>>to make an "R" sound?
>>
> Well, that's what I was wondering... It appears to me that if you go by
> the
> above explanation, you'd pronounce it "sherps."

Why didn´t that come to my mind?! That´s should be the easiest way to
explain it to native English speakers.
Yeah, like "sherps" just try to leave out that "rolling" of the "r" and
you´re pretty close

phil

[Philipp Wachtel]

>>Wait, um... so how *would* you pronounce Schoeps? Like" "sheps" only
>>your lips & tongue stays in that tight-pursed position as if preparing
>>to make an "R" sound?
>>
> Well, that's what I was wondering... It appears to me that if you go by
> the
> above explanation, you'd pronounce it "sherps."

Why didn´t that come to my mind?! That´s should be the easiest way to
explain it to native English speakers.
Yeah, like "sherps" just try to leave out that "rolling" of the "r" and
you´re pretty close

phil

[ScotFraser]

<< But I don't want to be a pirate.
>><BR><BR>

OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the policeman.
OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< But I don't want to be a pirate.
>><BR><BR>

OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the policeman.
OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"


Scott Fraser

[Rob Reedijk]

ScotFraser > wrote:
> << But I don't want to be a pirate.
> >><BR><BR>

> OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the policeman.
> OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"

There was no Pirate in the Village People. The Village People---Get it?
Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"!

Rob R.

[Rob Reedijk]

ScotFraser > wrote:
> << But I don't want to be a pirate.
> >><BR><BR>

> OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the policeman.
> OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"

There was no Pirate in the Village People. The Village People---Get it?
Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"!

Rob R.

[Geoff Wood]

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message news:cimuq4
>
> "Telefunken" is pronounced alomst like "Teh-leh-foonkan" (looks
> interesting written this way ;-) )

It's actually dervived for the telephony industry, with the paradijm of two
tin cans on a piece of string (fooon-kan)....

8-|

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Philipp Wachtel" > wrote in message news:cimuq4
>
> "Telefunken" is pronounced alomst like "Teh-leh-foonkan" (looks
> interesting written this way ;-) )

It's actually dervived for the telephony industry, with the paradijm of two
tin cans on a piece of string (fooon-kan)....

8-|

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Rob Reedijk" > wrote in message
...
> ScotFraser > wrote:
>> << But I don't want to be a pirate.
>> >><BR><BR>
>
>> OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the
>> policeman.
>> OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"
>
> There was no Pirate in the Village People. The Village People---Get it?
> Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"!


Are you suggesting that irate weren't based in villages, or that no pirates
ever sailed the Herscheys HIghway (or HighSeas) ?


geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"Rob Reedijk" > wrote in message
...
> ScotFraser > wrote:
>> << But I don't want to be a pirate.
>> >><BR><BR>
>
>> OK, you can be the Indian chief, Hank will be the pirate, Ty is the
>> policeman.
>> OK, all together now, "Y, M, C, A. !"
>
> There was no Pirate in the Village People. The Village People---Get it?
> Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"!


Are you suggesting that irate weren't based in villages, or that no pirates
ever sailed the Herscheys HIghway (or HighSeas) ?


geoff

[Pooh Bear]

wrote:

> (John) wrote in message >...
> > >From: (Kevin Kelly)
> >
> > So, here's what I've got...
> >
> > Neumann = Noy'-man
> > Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> > Schoeps = Sheps
> > Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> > Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> > Digidesign = fascist
> >
> > Did I leave any out?
> >
> > -John Vice
> > www.summertimestudios.com
>
> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger •
> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
> old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

Yup I would pronounce Schoeps as 'Sherps'.

Graham

[Pooh Bear]

wrote:

> (John) wrote in message >...
> > >From: (Kevin Kelly)
> >
> > So, here's what I've got...
> >
> > Neumann = Noy'-man
> > Neutrik = Noy'-trick
> > Schoeps = Sheps
> > Nuendo = New-end'-oh
> > Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
> > Digidesign = fascist
> >
> > Did I leave any out?
> >
> > -John Vice
> > www.summertimestudios.com
>
> Pretty much agree with all these - except Schoeps. Had a discussion
> with a German rep of the company a few weeks ago. He informed me that
> the 'oe' is pronounced like in the philosopher's name 'Goethe' - Ger •
> ta - or like in Gerber's baby food - with the accent on the 1st
> syllable. Straight from HQ. Hope that helps. (Goes off singing that
> old Styx tune...'too much time on my hands...' : )

Yup I would pronounce Schoeps as 'Sherps'.

Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Rob Reedijk wrote:

> Philipp Wachtel > wrote:
> >>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>
> > "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> > Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
> > french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)
>
> Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
> be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
> short a bit.

Seconded.

Graham

[Pooh Bear]

Rob Reedijk wrote:

> Philipp Wachtel > wrote:
> >>> Langevin = Lahn'-juh-vin
>
> > "Langevin" is a french word and french is hard to pronounce correctly.
> > Maybe, you can find some Canadian (rather than a real frenchman) who speaks
> > french to show you the correct way to say it ;-)
>
> Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
> be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
> short a bit.

Seconded.

Graham

[John]

>
>> Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>> be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>> short a bit.
>
>Seconded.
>
>Graham

Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French speaker,
so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I elected to
write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the capital of
France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[John]

>
>> Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>> be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>> short a bit.
>
>Seconded.
>
>Graham

Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French speaker,
so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I elected to
write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the capital of
France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?

-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[so what]

John wrote:
>>>Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>>>be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>>>short a bit.
>>
>>Seconded.
>>
>>Graham
>
>
> Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French speaker,
> so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I elected to
> write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the capital of
> France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?


Si, c'est tres gauche.

[so what]

John wrote:
>>>Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>>>be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>>>short a bit.
>>
>>Seconded.
>>
>>Graham
>
>
> Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French speaker,
> so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I elected to
> write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the capital of
> France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?


Si, c'est tres gauche.

[Geoff Wood]

"so what" > wrote in message
...
> John wrote:
>>>>Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>>>>be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>>>>short a bit.
>>>
>>>Seconded.
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>>
>> Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French
>> speaker,
>> so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I
>> elected to
>> write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the
>> capital of
>> France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?
>
>
> Si, c'est tres gauche.

Achtung, himmel-hoch, Donner Und Blitzen Simon Garfunkel !

geoff

[Geoff Wood]

"so what" > wrote in message
...
> John wrote:
>>>>Okay, I will volunteer. Close I think, but the last part, "vin" would
>>>>be pronounced more like "van" (like minivan) except the "n" is cut
>>>>short a bit.
>>>
>>>Seconded.
>>>
>>>Graham
>>
>>
>> Well, there are two ways to pronounce things... I'm a decent French
>> speaker,
>> so I could have gone for the French phonetic pronounciation, but I
>> elected to
>> write it out like an American would say it. I don't pronounce the
>> capital of
>> France as "pair-ee," but rather "pair-iss." Tres gauche, non?
>
>
> Si, c'est tres gauche.

Achtung, himmel-hoch, Donner Und Blitzen Simon Garfunkel !

geoff

[ScotFraser]

<< There was no Pirate in the Village People.>>

He was always there in spirit.

<< The Village People---Get it?
Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"! >><BR><BR>

No, but my first rock band was The Seafarin' People.

Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< There was no Pirate in the Village People.>>

He was always there in spirit.

<< The Village People---Get it?
Notice they weren't called the "Seafarin' People"! >><BR><BR>

No, but my first rock band was The Seafarin' People.

Scott Fraser