Computer Based Drum module? Is it possible?

[rothman_24]

Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I just
know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.

I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
(which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical on
a snare roll.

So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign each
pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card midi
in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters mentioned
above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad from
the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically the
dm5 is just used as a midi converter.

What software will do this? Thanks so much!


Doug in Tennessee

[Joey]

Yes. You use some sample-playing software like Kontakt and then load it with
whatever sample package you choose like "Drums from Hell" or BFD. The cost
of the software is equivalent to the TD-20, so it's a wash....except that
you can have a better setup with a PC than the TD-20. Instead of modeling
the sounds, think 12-16 velocity layered snare samples (in other words, when
you hit softly, a studio sample of a snare being hit softly is played. a
little louder, and a sample of a snare being hit a little louder is faded in
and the first sample is faded out a bit....etc.)

You also need a mogambo PC to do this with 2.5 GHZ or higher. 1.5 Gigs of
RAM or more.

Lots of info on www.vdrums.com

....Joey


"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .
> Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I just
> know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
>
> I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
on
> a snare roll.
>
> So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
each
> pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
midi
> in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters mentioned
> above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad from
> the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
the
> dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
>
> What software will do this? Thanks so much!
>
>
> Doug in Tennessee
>
>

[Joey]

Yes. You use some sample-playing software like Kontakt and then load it with
whatever sample package you choose like "Drums from Hell" or BFD. The cost
of the software is equivalent to the TD-20, so it's a wash....except that
you can have a better setup with a PC than the TD-20. Instead of modeling
the sounds, think 12-16 velocity layered snare samples (in other words, when
you hit softly, a studio sample of a snare being hit softly is played. a
little louder, and a sample of a snare being hit a little louder is faded in
and the first sample is faded out a bit....etc.)

You also need a mogambo PC to do this with 2.5 GHZ or higher. 1.5 Gigs of
RAM or more.

Lots of info on www.vdrums.com

....Joey


"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .
> Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I just
> know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
>
> I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
on
> a snare roll.
>
> So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
each
> pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
midi
> in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters mentioned
> above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad from
> the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
the
> dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
>
> What software will do this? Thanks so much!
>
>
> Doug in Tennessee
>
>

[rothman_24]

Thank You, Thank you Joey!!!




"Joey" > wrote in message
...
> Yes. You use some sample-playing software like Kontakt and then load it
with
> whatever sample package you choose like "Drums from Hell" or BFD. The cost
> of the software is equivalent to the TD-20, so it's a wash....except that
> you can have a better setup with a PC than the TD-20. Instead of modeling
> the sounds, think 12-16 velocity layered snare samples (in other words,
when
> you hit softly, a studio sample of a snare being hit softly is played. a
> little louder, and a sample of a snare being hit a little louder is faded
in
> and the first sample is faded out a bit....etc.)
>
> You also need a mogambo PC to do this with 2.5 GHZ or higher. 1.5 Gigs of
> RAM or more.
>
> Lots of info on www.vdrums.com
>
> ...Joey
>
>
> "rothman_24" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I
just
> > know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> > technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
> >
> > I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> > (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> > reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
> on
> > a snare roll.
> >
> > So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
> each
> > pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
> midi
> > in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters
mentioned
> > above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad
from
> > the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
> the
> > dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
> >
> > What software will do this? Thanks so much!
> >
> >
> > Doug in Tennessee
> >
> >
>
>

[rothman_24]

Thank You, Thank you Joey!!!




"Joey" > wrote in message
...
> Yes. You use some sample-playing software like Kontakt and then load it
with
> whatever sample package you choose like "Drums from Hell" or BFD. The cost
> of the software is equivalent to the TD-20, so it's a wash....except that
> you can have a better setup with a PC than the TD-20. Instead of modeling
> the sounds, think 12-16 velocity layered snare samples (in other words,
when
> you hit softly, a studio sample of a snare being hit softly is played. a
> little louder, and a sample of a snare being hit a little louder is faded
in
> and the first sample is faded out a bit....etc.)
>
> You also need a mogambo PC to do this with 2.5 GHZ or higher. 1.5 Gigs of
> RAM or more.
>
> Lots of info on www.vdrums.com
>
> ...Joey
>
>
> "rothman_24" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I
just
> > know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> > technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
> >
> > I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> > (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> > reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
> on
> > a snare roll.
> >
> > So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
> each
> > pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
> midi
> > in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters
mentioned
> > above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad
from
> > the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
> the
> > dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
> >
> > What software will do this? Thanks so much!
> >
> >
> > Doug in Tennessee
> >
> >
>
>

[Dik LeDoux]

There are programs that act as sound modules available. You can store an
assload of samples on them and get these to trigger via the midi in.
GigaSampler is the one I've heard most about. But I'll bet there aren't
drum functions specifically (like your mention of snare buzz when you hit
toms). But many studio producer types use this product with drum sample
packs with success - probably not so good for real-time like a dedicated
brain. I suspect the delay would drive you nuts even though it'sonly a
couple milliseconds.

my .02

dik

[Dik LeDoux]

There are programs that act as sound modules available. You can store an
assload of samples on them and get these to trigger via the midi in.
GigaSampler is the one I've heard most about. But I'll bet there aren't
drum functions specifically (like your mention of snare buzz when you hit
toms). But many studio producer types use this product with drum sample
packs with success - probably not so good for real-time like a dedicated
brain. I suspect the delay would drive you nuts even though it'sonly a
couple milliseconds.

my .02

dik

"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .

> What software will do this? Thanks so much!

If I'm reading you right, Battery from Native Instruments will do it, in
either stand-alone or VSTi form.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .

> What software will do this? Thanks so much!

If I'm reading you right, Battery from Native Instruments will do it, in
either stand-alone or VSTi form.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

[Animix]

I'll finish mapping a TrapKAT to BFD nest week.......at least I think I
will. I know it's possible with a Ddrum kit and a DrumKAT. The TrapKAT is a
little different, but is probably not too different from the DrumKAT.

I've been triggering BFD samples in real time today triggering from the KAT>
RME 9652>Cubasse SX 2.0>BFD.

It's sort of shocking to hear this kind of realism from a rubber pad.

............and I just spent 2 hours mic'ing up a real Ludwig kit for a
session tomorrow.

I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!




"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .
> Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I just
> know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
>
> I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
on
> a snare roll.
>
> So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
each
> pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
midi
> in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters mentioned
> above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad from
> the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
the
> dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
>
> What software will do this? Thanks so much!
>
>
> Doug in Tennessee
>
>

[Animix]

I'll finish mapping a TrapKAT to BFD nest week.......at least I think I
will. I know it's possible with a Ddrum kit and a DrumKAT. The TrapKAT is a
little different, but is probably not too different from the DrumKAT.

I've been triggering BFD samples in real time today triggering from the KAT>
RME 9652>Cubasse SX 2.0>BFD.

It's sort of shocking to hear this kind of realism from a rubber pad.

............and I just spent 2 hours mic'ing up a real Ludwig kit for a
session tomorrow.

I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!




"rothman_24" > wrote in message
.. .
> Forgive for asking a question some may think is "behind the times". I just
> know that this scenario has to be possible with today's computer based
> technology, but I am unaware of any programs that will do this.
>
> I want a computer based drum module that will act like the Roland TD-20
> (which I saw at Summer NAMM and fell in love with). Some software that
> reproduces snare buzz when a tom is struck and does not sound mechanical
on
> a snare roll.
>
> So here's what I want: I plug my mesh pads into an Alesis DM5, assign
each
> pad a midi note, run the midi out on the DM5 to my computer sound card
midi
> in, trigger sounds with the realistic and adjustable parameters mentioned
> above. Also...I want to control velocity curves and such of each pad from
> the computer software thru the midi cord and not on the DM5...basically
the
> dm5 is just used as a midi converter.
>
> What software will do this? Thanks so much!
>
>
> Doug in Tennessee
>
>

"Animix" > wrote in message
...

> I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!

Deej, i just hope you used the LDC's for the overheads & the SDC's for the
room mics.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

"Animix" > wrote in message
...

> I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!

Deej, i just hope you used the LDC's for the overheads & the SDC's for the
room mics.
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

[Animix]

Actually, I'm just jacking around with this thing trying to see how this old
birch kit is gonna warm up to this big cedar room.with the wierd ceilings
sloping up to about 25'. Not a single parallel friggin surface, that's for
sure. I've got a couple of KM 184's on the OH's right now with an '87
hanging off the balcony centered about 8' off the floor and about 7' in
front of the kick with a Beta 52 inside the kick shell, a D4 on the beater
and the usual complement of EV's, 57's with an Oktava MK012 on the hat. It
sounds...............errrrr..........unique.

I tried LDC's - pair of C-1's- on the OH's and they sounded pretty good so I
promptly ****ed everything up and moved them to try something else.

I'm working by myself tonight just to get the feel of it and the CR is
upstairs, the drum room is downstairs and I'm just too old for this
*multiple stairs* crap. It's a new room and an unfamiliar kit and I don't
have it dialed in yet but I think it's gonna be a monster once it's right.
I'll have my young midigeek assistants here in the AM to start moving mics
around and if I can get the drummer in here to get his heads right, we
should have a good session.
;O)

> wrote in message
m...
> "Animix" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!
>
> Deej, i just hope you used the LDC's for the overheads & the SDC's for the
> room mics.
> --
>
>
> Neil Henderson
> Saqqara Records
> http://www.saqqararecords.com
>
>
>
>

[Animix]

Actually, I'm just jacking around with this thing trying to see how this old
birch kit is gonna warm up to this big cedar room.with the wierd ceilings
sloping up to about 25'. Not a single parallel friggin surface, that's for
sure. I've got a couple of KM 184's on the OH's right now with an '87
hanging off the balcony centered about 8' off the floor and about 7' in
front of the kick with a Beta 52 inside the kick shell, a D4 on the beater
and the usual complement of EV's, 57's with an Oktava MK012 on the hat. It
sounds...............errrrr..........unique.

I tried LDC's - pair of C-1's- on the OH's and they sounded pretty good so I
promptly ****ed everything up and moved them to try something else.

I'm working by myself tonight just to get the feel of it and the CR is
upstairs, the drum room is downstairs and I'm just too old for this
*multiple stairs* crap. It's a new room and an unfamiliar kit and I don't
have it dialed in yet but I think it's gonna be a monster once it's right.
I'll have my young midigeek assistants here in the AM to start moving mics
around and if I can get the drummer in here to get his heads right, we
should have a good session.
;O)

> wrote in message
m...
> "Animix" > wrote in message
> ...
>
> > I'm fried from listening to (((((%^*$^% drums all (%^&&^ day!
>
> Deej, i just hope you used the LDC's for the overheads & the SDC's for the
> room mics.
> --
>
>
> Neil Henderson
> Saqqara Records
> http://www.saqqararecords.com
>
>
>
>

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Kevin Buffardi" > wrote in message
...
> If your soundcard is a soundblaster, just try to find yourself a good
> drumset soundfont, and you're set.

You're right. There's some darn good soundfonts out there if you look
around.

[TheB]

"Animix" > wrote in
:

> I'll finish mapping a TrapKAT to BFD nest week.......at least I think
> I will. I know it's possible with a Ddrum kit and a DrumKAT. The
> TrapKAT is a little different, but is probably not too different from
> the DrumKAT.

Whats different except for the fact that it has more pads?