Peavey VMP-2 with Stephen Sanks mods

[Wayne]

Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre. It's
cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the sucker
sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.

I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always had the
gain.

I even got enough coins left to get coffee.

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[ScotFraser]

<< Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
It's
cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the sucker
sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.
I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always had the
gain.>>

Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
70db often?

<<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>

What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?



Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
It's
cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the sucker
sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.
I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always had the
gain.>>

Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
70db often?

<<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>

What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?



Scott Fraser

[Blind Joni]

>Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.

What did it cost?


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.

What did it cost?


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Handywired]

>Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.

How much does that cost? I have a couple of those. I'd hate to be without
even one of them though. How long did it take?

-jeff

[Handywired]

>Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.

How much does that cost? I have a couple of those. I'd hate to be without
even one of them though. How long did it take?

-jeff

[Rob Coberly]

(Handywired) wrote in message >...
> >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>
My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
LEDs).
Failure prone connections all upgraded to stout, caps upgraded, tubes
hand tuned, power supply upgraded to be faster responding and more
robust; this all expressed in my words as I'm not tutored in
electronics.

Result: much lower noise, very good headroom, quiet (subjectively)
with all controls dimed, more clear detail on what's in front of the
microphone. I'm not able to measure specs on it. I can compare it to
my Great River MP2MH, and I like them both, and use both on different
sources.

Rob

[Rob Coberly]

(Handywired) wrote in message >...
> >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>
My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
LEDs).
Failure prone connections all upgraded to stout, caps upgraded, tubes
hand tuned, power supply upgraded to be faster responding and more
robust; this all expressed in my words as I'm not tutored in
electronics.

Result: much lower noise, very good headroom, quiet (subjectively)
with all controls dimed, more clear detail on what's in front of the
microphone. I'm not able to measure specs on it. I can compare it to
my Great River MP2MH, and I like them both, and use both on different
sources.

Rob

[Wayne]

>Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
>70db often?
>

Beyer M130, M160, M500 and M260DX.

><<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>
>
>What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?
>
>Scott Fraser
>
>
Starbucks


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
>70db often?
>

Beyer M130, M160, M500 and M260DX.

><<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>
>
>What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?
>
>Scott Fraser
>
>
Starbucks


--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>Result: much lower noise, very good headroom, quiet (subjectively)
>with all controls dimed, more clear detail on what's in front of the
>microphone. I'm not able to measure specs on it. I can compare it to
>my Great River MP2MH, and I like them both, and use both on different
>sources.
>
>Rob
>
The detail thing is what impressed me most. No mud, smearing or the likes. I
am a happy camper. I was using the VMP-2 to calm down my TLM103 and AKG414TLII
even before I sent it off. Now, I'm really anxious to try it with vocals. It
also makes a wonderful addition to my GR MP2-MH and MP2-NV. Now, all I have to
consider is which tool to use!!!

Even running final mixes thru it is much better than before, more headroom.
The EQ is sweeter and there is a real difference when I A/B the mixes with the
pre in or out.

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>Result: much lower noise, very good headroom, quiet (subjectively)
>with all controls dimed, more clear detail on what's in front of the
>microphone. I'm not able to measure specs on it. I can compare it to
>my Great River MP2MH, and I like them both, and use both on different
>sources.
>
>Rob
>
The detail thing is what impressed me most. No mud, smearing or the likes. I
am a happy camper. I was using the VMP-2 to calm down my TLM103 and AKG414TLII
even before I sent it off. Now, I'm really anxious to try it with vocals. It
also makes a wonderful addition to my GR MP2-MH and MP2-NV. Now, all I have to
consider is which tool to use!!!

Even running final mixes thru it is much better than before, more headroom.
The EQ is sweeter and there is a real difference when I A/B the mixes with the
pre in or out.

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Garth]

In article >,
(Wayne) writes:

>Even running final mixes thru it is much better than before, more headroom.
>The EQ is sweeter and there is a real difference when I A/B the mixes with
>the
>pre in or out.

Wayne,
When you run final mixes through the VMP2 do you have any problem with
overloading the pre's inputs? I recall finding that the (front panel)
instrument inputs overloaded very easily even with a keyboard as a source, let
alone a +4 dB line level. How do you optimize your input level to the VMP2?

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Garth]

In article >,
(Wayne) writes:

>Even running final mixes thru it is much better than before, more headroom.
>The EQ is sweeter and there is a real difference when I A/B the mixes with
>the
>pre in or out.

Wayne,
When you run final mixes through the VMP2 do you have any problem with
overloading the pre's inputs? I recall finding that the (front panel)
instrument inputs overloaded very easily even with a keyboard as a source, let
alone a +4 dB line level. How do you optimize your input level to the VMP2?

Garth~


"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Mikey]

(Rob Coberly) wrote in message >...
> (Handywired) wrote in message >...
> > >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
> >
> My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
> was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
> hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
> LEDs).

Meaning between $100 and $150? or $200-$300?

Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
This sig is haiku

[Mikey]

(Rob Coberly) wrote in message >...
> (Handywired) wrote in message >...
> > >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
> >
> My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
> was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
> hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
> LEDs).

Meaning between $100 and $150? or $200-$300?

Mikey Wozniak
Nova Music Productions
This sig is haiku

[Wayne]

>Wayne,
>When you run final mixes through the VMP2 do you have any problem with
>overloading the pre's inputs? I recall finding that the (front panel)
>instrument inputs overloaded very easily even with a keyboard as a source,
>let
>alone a +4 dB line level. How do you optimize your input level to the VMP2?
>
>Garth~
>
>
Yeah don't we all. Here's what Monte suggested and it works fine. Just make
sure the 1k resistor is on the preamp side of the pad so you don't incur
capacitance. BTW, I used a 10k and a 1k and made it up into a patch cable
'cause I'm lazy. Remember we're unbalanced on that input.
Ain't no reason you couldn't make an instrument cable up the same way for the
keyboards, etc.

Wayne

-----
No, to make a pad, you need a resistor in series with the output and a
shunt resistor across the input, not just a shunt resistor. Like
this:
R1
signal to pad >----/\/\/\----+--------> padded signal
|
/
\ R2
/
|
|
---
-

If you just shunt the input with a resistor, you will lose a bit of
level, but you'll also put a very tough load on the driving device and
it generally won't sound good if you're getting enough attenuation to
be useful. In the case where you only use a shunt resistor, R1 will
be the usual 50-200 ohm output resistor built into the device's output
stage and R2 will be the resistor you added across the input. To get
any significant attenuation, you'd need something around 10-20 ohms
for R2 and that aint' gonna sound good - it's a ridiculously low
impedance load that's very tough to drive.

As for resistor values, the load on the driving device is R1 + R2, and
the attenuation is R2 / (R1 + R2). For example, if you pick R1 = 9K
and R2 = 1K, you'll get a 10K load on your gear (which is perfectly
reasonable) and a 10:1 attenuation factor, which is 20dB. Make R2
smaller and you get more attenuation. Put the pad at the input jack -
you don't want any capacitance after the pad, and this will happen if
the cable is long and you pad at the driving end.


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[Wayne]

>Wayne,
>When you run final mixes through the VMP2 do you have any problem with
>overloading the pre's inputs? I recall finding that the (front panel)
>instrument inputs overloaded very easily even with a keyboard as a source,
>let
>alone a +4 dB line level. How do you optimize your input level to the VMP2?
>
>Garth~
>
>
Yeah don't we all. Here's what Monte suggested and it works fine. Just make
sure the 1k resistor is on the preamp side of the pad so you don't incur
capacitance. BTW, I used a 10k and a 1k and made it up into a patch cable
'cause I'm lazy. Remember we're unbalanced on that input.
Ain't no reason you couldn't make an instrument cable up the same way for the
keyboards, etc.

Wayne

-----
No, to make a pad, you need a resistor in series with the output and a
shunt resistor across the input, not just a shunt resistor. Like
this:
R1
signal to pad >----/\/\/\----+--------> padded signal
|
/
\ R2
/
|
|
---
-

If you just shunt the input with a resistor, you will lose a bit of
level, but you'll also put a very tough load on the driving device and
it generally won't sound good if you're getting enough attenuation to
be useful. In the case where you only use a shunt resistor, R1 will
be the usual 50-200 ohm output resistor built into the device's output
stage and R2 will be the resistor you added across the input. To get
any significant attenuation, you'd need something around 10-20 ohms
for R2 and that aint' gonna sound good - it's a ridiculously low
impedance load that's very tough to drive.

As for resistor values, the load on the driving device is R1 + R2, and
the attenuation is R2 / (R1 + R2). For example, if you pick R1 = 9K
and R2 = 1K, you'll get a 10K load on your gear (which is perfectly
reasonable) and a 10:1 attenuation factor, which is 20dB. Make R2
smaller and you get more attenuation. Put the pad at the input jack -
you don't want any capacitance after the pad, and this will happen if
the cable is long and you pad at the driving end.


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire

--Wayne

-"sounded good to me"-

[nuke]

<< What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?



Scott Fraser >>


Starbucks if I'm buying a cup.

Peets if I'm buying beans. Peet's beans are the best. Aged Sumatra is my
current and longtime favorite.

For some reason, their counter service in the shops doesn't do it for me on a
cup or a latte.


--
Dr. Nuketopia
Sorry, no e-Mail.
Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.

[nuke]

<< What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?



Scott Fraser >>


Starbucks if I'm buying a cup.

Peets if I'm buying beans. Peet's beans are the best. Aged Sumatra is my
current and longtime favorite.

For some reason, their counter service in the shops doesn't do it for me on a
cup or a latte.


--
Dr. Nuketopia
Sorry, no e-Mail.
Spam forgeries have resulted in thousands of faked bounces to my address.

[playon]

On 09 Sep 2004 04:26:51 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

><< Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>It's
>cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the sucker
>sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.
>I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always had the
>gain.>>
>
>Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
>70db often?
>
><<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>
>
>What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?

Yeck what a choice.

[playon]

On 09 Sep 2004 04:26:51 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

><< Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>It's
>cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the sucker
>sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.
>I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always had the
>gain.>>
>
>Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O, which need
>70db often?
>
><<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>
>
>What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?

Yeck what a choice.

[playon]

I think the basic upgrade is around $300.

On 9 Sep 2004 12:17:44 -0700, (Mikey) wrote:

(Rob Coberly) wrote in message >...
>> (Handywired) wrote in message >...
>> > >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>> >
>> My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
>> was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
>> hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
>> LEDs).
>
>Meaning between $100 and $150? or $200-$300?
>
>Mikey Wozniak
>Nova Music Productions
>This sig is haiku

[playon]

I think the basic upgrade is around $300.

On 9 Sep 2004 12:17:44 -0700, (Mikey) wrote:

(Rob Coberly) wrote in message >...
>> (Handywired) wrote in message >...
>> > >Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob" pre.
>> >
>> My experience - and I live in Albuquerque across town from Mr. Sank -
>> was getting the machine back in less than a week, price in the low
>> hundreds (depends on what all is done - I didn't get any overload
>> LEDs).
>
>Meaning between $100 and $150? or $200-$300?
>
>Mikey Wozniak
>Nova Music Productions
>This sig is haiku

[Monte McGuire]

In article >,
(Wayne) wrote:

> The detail thing is what impressed me most. No mud, smearing or the likes.
> I
> am a happy camper. I was using the VMP-2 to calm down my TLM103 and
> AKG414TLII
> even before I sent it off. Now, I'm really anxious to try it with vocals.

I don't have a Sank modified VMP-2, but I did my own with nice tubes,
and pretty much a wholesale replacement of most important resistors and
caps (and even quite a few unimportant ones also in the signal path). A
basic 'blueprinting' job - no new component values, just replacement
with high quality parts (e.g. polypropylene and polystyrene instead of
Mylar, better MF resistors and Panasonic FC and HFQ caps for generic
ones).

I find it very nice on vocals. A particular female vocalist I'm working
with sounds absolutely fabulous on it with a KM-84... no kidding! She
sounded too hyped with a BLUE B7/C61 or B7/C451 into a VIPRE, but really
really nice into the VMP-2 with just a touch of EQ. Big, detailed,
forward, really very lovely.

I think the issue is that the early stages don't do all that well with
high output mikes, but something like an 84 seems to suit them much
better with its slightly lower output.

One day, I plan to try some different gain staging inside of the VMP-2,
and possibly a different (or switchable) input transformer to address
this input level issue.

But, until then, I'm a seriously happy camper with it!!



Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Monte McGuire]

In article >,
(Wayne) wrote:

> The detail thing is what impressed me most. No mud, smearing or the likes.
> I
> am a happy camper. I was using the VMP-2 to calm down my TLM103 and
> AKG414TLII
> even before I sent it off. Now, I'm really anxious to try it with vocals.

I don't have a Sank modified VMP-2, but I did my own with nice tubes,
and pretty much a wholesale replacement of most important resistors and
caps (and even quite a few unimportant ones also in the signal path). A
basic 'blueprinting' job - no new component values, just replacement
with high quality parts (e.g. polypropylene and polystyrene instead of
Mylar, better MF resistors and Panasonic FC and HFQ caps for generic
ones).

I find it very nice on vocals. A particular female vocalist I'm working
with sounds absolutely fabulous on it with a KM-84... no kidding! She
sounded too hyped with a BLUE B7/C61 or B7/C451 into a VIPRE, but really
really nice into the VMP-2 with just a touch of EQ. Big, detailed,
forward, really very lovely.

I think the issue is that the early stages don't do all that well with
high output mikes, but something like an 84 seems to suit them much
better with its slightly lower output.

One day, I plan to try some different gain staging inside of the VMP-2,
and possibly a different (or switchable) input transformer to address
this input level issue.

But, until then, I'm a seriously happy camper with it!!



Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Particle Salad]

> What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?


Peets... Major Dickason's blend... god's coffee! I'm going to have a cup
right now!

[Particle Salad]

> What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?


Peets... Major Dickason's blend... god's coffee! I'm going to have a cup
right now!

[david gourley]

(ScotFraser)
:

><< Kudos to Stephen on making my VMP-2 into a real first class "toob"
>pre.
> It's
> cleaner, more depth, more detail and quieter. What can I say - the
> sucker sounds great!!! He even put input overload LEDs in it for me.
> I can run my ribbons thru it now without the s/n problems. It always
> had the gain.>>
>
> Are you using any really really low output ribbons, like the B&O,
> which need 70db often?
>
><<I even got enough coins left to get coffee.>>
>
> What do you think, Starbucks or Peets?
>
>
>
> Scott Fraser



Peets has my vote!!!

david

[chetatkinsdiet]

OK...I was just in Seattle last week and tried to sample a few coffee
shops....
Of course, I've had Sbucks a zillion times as they're more common than
a 7-11. I tried Peets and while it was a decent latte, I gotta say my
favorite in town was Cherry St. Are there any other coffee spots in
town that are off the beaten path that are worth hitting? I did see
Bauhaus in Capitol Hill, but didn't sample their brews as I was so
stuffed from Italian across the street.
later,
m

[playon]

Apassionato Espresso is a smaller chain that really knows how to brew
the bean.

Al

On 13 Sep 2004 19:41:43 -0700, (chetatkinsdiet)
wrote:

>OK...I was just in Seattle last week and tried to sample a few coffee
>shops....
>Of course, I've had Sbucks a zillion times as they're more common than
>a 7-11. I tried Peets and while it was a decent latte, I gotta say my
>favorite in town was Cherry St. Are there any other coffee spots in
>town that are off the beaten path that are worth hitting? I did see
>Bauhaus in Capitol Hill, but didn't sample their brews as I was so
>stuffed from Italian across the street.
>later,
>m

[ScotFraser]

<< Peets has my vote!!! >>

Mine too, in fact I wouldn't cross the street for a free Starbucks, but since
they have some defenders here, I thought I'd include them for consideration.


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< Peets has my vote!!! >>

Mine too, in fact I wouldn't cross the street for a free Starbucks, but since
they have some defenders here, I thought I'd include them for consideration.


Scott Fraser

[Paul Gitlitz]

On 14 Sep 2004 19:07:48 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

><< Peets has my vote!!! >>
>
>Mine too, in fact I wouldn't cross the street for a free Starbucks, but since
>they have some defenders here, I thought I'd include them for consideration.
>
I think they're both over roasted and Starbucks doesn't even use good
beans. To be fair the pete's i've had was always as a gift from people
who didn't know i grind my own so they gave me preground which I then
carted around unrefridgerated till I fly home days later, not the
freshest coffee.
There are a few good local roaster in Vancouver BC where I live, but
honestly the lowly "Seattle's Best" is excellent.

[Paul Gitlitz]

On 14 Sep 2004 19:07:48 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

><< Peets has my vote!!! >>
>
>Mine too, in fact I wouldn't cross the street for a free Starbucks, but since
>they have some defenders here, I thought I'd include them for consideration.
>
I think they're both over roasted and Starbucks doesn't even use good
beans. To be fair the pete's i've had was always as a gift from people
who didn't know i grind my own so they gave me preground which I then
carted around unrefridgerated till I fly home days later, not the
freshest coffee.
There are a few good local roaster in Vancouver BC where I live, but
honestly the lowly "Seattle's Best" is excellent.

[ScotFraser]

<< There are a few good local roaster in Vancouver BC where I live, but
honestly the lowly "Seattle's Best" is excellent. >>

My favorite has been hand carried from my cleaning lady's parents' coffee farm
in Guatamala. That's some good ****.


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< There are a few good local roaster in Vancouver BC where I live, but
honestly the lowly "Seattle's Best" is excellent. >>

My favorite has been hand carried from my cleaning lady's parents' coffee farm
in Guatamala. That's some good ****.


Scott Fraser

[Paul Gitlitz]

On 15 Sep 2004 08:28:11 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

>My favorite has been hand carried from my cleaning lady's parents' coffee farm
>in Guatamala. That's some good ****.

I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour.

[Paul Gitlitz]

On 15 Sep 2004 08:28:11 GMT, (ScotFraser) wrote:

>My favorite has been hand carried from my cleaning lady's parents' coffee farm
>in Guatamala. That's some good ****.

I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour.

[Blind Joni]

>I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
>On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
>it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
>when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour.

I'm getting all stoked to go out and coffee shop after all this talk.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Blind Joni]

>I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
>On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
>it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
>when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour.

I'm getting all stoked to go out and coffee shop after all this talk.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[ScotFraser]

<< I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour. >><BR><BR>

That's a pretty good description of the Guatamalan beans, too.

Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< I was drinking some in the studio yesterday I picked up in Nicaragua.
On a short stop over returning from a tour of Costa Rica. They drink
it there with about half hot milk. It's very smooth mild coffee even
when dark roasted. Never that really bitter flavour. >><BR><BR>

That's a pretty good description of the Guatamalan beans, too.

Scott Fraser

[Paul Stamler]

Is Chauvin coffee distributed anywhere outside the St. Louis area? It's
very, very good, and fresher than most.

Peace,
Paul (bad jokes already stipulated)

[Paul Stamler]

Is Chauvin coffee distributed anywhere outside the St. Louis area? It's
very, very good, and fresher than most.

Peace,
Paul (bad jokes already stipulated)

[ScotFraser]

<< Is Chauvin coffee distributed anywhere outside the St. Louis area? It's
very, very good, and fresher than most.
>><BR><BR>

Haven't seen it in LA.
I'm still working on a kilo of St. Eustache I picked up in Rome & some
Kurukahveci I got in Istanbul. The home-grown Guatamalan is, sadly, long gone.
I'm looking forward to another week of twice daily visits to the Alaska
Roasting Company in Fairbanks in October, where it's generally warmer in the
freezer than it is outside.

Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< Is Chauvin coffee distributed anywhere outside the St. Louis area? It's
very, very good, and fresher than most.
>><BR><BR>

Haven't seen it in LA.
I'm still working on a kilo of St. Eustache I picked up in Rome & some
Kurukahveci I got in Istanbul. The home-grown Guatamalan is, sadly, long gone.
I'm looking forward to another week of twice daily visits to the Alaska
Roasting Company in Fairbanks in October, where it's generally warmer in the
freezer than it is outside.

Scott Fraser