Re: digital studio "pitch" or "tape speed" control like on a 4-track ?

[philicorda]

On Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:15:26 -0700, Mad Scientist Jr wrote:

>> Why don't you buy a tuner.
>
> if it was simply a problem of being in tune then that is the obvious
> answer, but it is more.
<interesting stuff snipped>

There was a discussion about this here recently.. Apparently Samplitude
lets you record and playback with varispeed. I'd love to be able to use
varispeed myself, but can't justify changing DAWs for a single feature.

[Mad Scientist Jr]

evidently the yamaha aw-16g has *playback* at different pitch, for
rehearsal purposes. i guess on such a model, i could track to a
separate stereo recorder (say, right channel), and record the monitor
mix record left channel for reference purposes, and have a start/end
beep and edit the recording and fly it in, then change pitch to match
the tune. . . a pretty complicated workaround. on a 4 track you could
just slow down the tape, record your part, and return pitch to normal
speed when done.

> There was a discussion about this here recently.. Apparently Samplitude
> lets you record and playback with varispeed. I'd love to be able to use
> varispeed myself, but can't justify changing DAWs for a single feature.

[Mad Scientist Jr]

workaround #2 would be to mix down the monitor mix (with reference
start/end beeps) to cassette 4-track, slow it down and record the new
track on cassette (for quality sake, record on both tracks 3 and 4, or
2,3,4 if the monitor can be mono), return the pitch to normal, and
record the new track into the pc. then edit it using the beeps as
guide, stretch if necessary to exactly fit the tune, and fly it in as
a new track.

[philicorda]

On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 07:41:01 -0700, Mad Scientist Jr wrote:

> workaround #2 would be to mix down the monitor mix (with reference
> start/end beeps) to cassette 4-track, slow it down and record the new
> track on cassette (for quality sake, record on both tracks 3 and 4, or
> 2,3,4 if the monitor can be mono), return the pitch to normal, and
> record the new track into the pc. then edit it using the beeps as
> guide, stretch if necessary to exactly fit the tune, and fly it in as
> a new track.

You will get some timing problems doing that, cassette 4-tracks tend to
drift a little, especially with vari-speed on.

The way I do it is the same kind of thing, but staying in Cubase. I
bounce the whole track to a new stereo track, pitch/time stretch that
track, play along to it, then do the opposite pitch/time to the new track.
Because it all stays digital domain, the timing stays accurate.

If I want 'vari-speed' on the stereo bounce, I use 'pitch shift' but turn
off 'time correction'. This acts like normal vari-speed (higher faster,
lower slower).

Still not as nice as having a turny speed wheel though.

[Blind Joni]

>The way I do it is the same kind of thing, but staying in Cubase. I
>bounce the whole track to a new stereo track, pitch/time stretch that
>track, play along to it, then do the opposite pitch/time to the new track.
>Because it all stays digital domain, the timing stays accurate.
>
>If I want 'vari-speed' on the stereo bounce, I use 'pitch shift' but turn
>off 'time correction'. This acts like normal vari-speed (higher faster,
>lower slower).
>
>Still not as nice as having a turny speed wheel though.
>
>

In Samplitude this works the same as a vari-speed control.
John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Mad Scientist Jr]

Which version of Samplitude has this feature?

> In Samplitude this works the same as a vari-speed control.

[Mad Scientist Jr]

Thanks for the reply, that is actually a pretty good workaround.