OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong country?

[Pete Dimsman]

<http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html>


Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

[Pete Dimsman]

And then there's this:


<http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/19/news/international/halliburton.reut/index.htm?cnn=yes>
Halliburton is subpoenaed over Iran ties

A grand jury subpoenas info about its Cayman Islands unit, which has
operations in Iran.

HOUSTON (Reuters) - Oil field services company Halliburton Co. received
a grand jury subpoena earlier this month seeking information about its
Cayman Islands unit, which conducts operations in Iran, the company said
Monday.

U.S. companies are prohibited by law from doing business with Iran.

[Logan Shaw]

Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

- Logan

[Pete Dimsman]

Logan Shaw wrote:
> Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
> discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?


And still not nearly enough. There is a good reason people are getting
scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
order the way things are headed.

[Geoff Wood]

Pete Dimsman wrote:
> <http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html>
>
>
> Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
> Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says
>
> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
> United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
> role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Hey, the spelling was close. And they wear funny hats too. Near enough.


geoff

[Logan Shaw]

Pete Dimsman wrote:
> Logan Shaw wrote:
>> Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
>> discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?

> And still not nearly enough.

Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.

> There is a good reason people are getting
> scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
> are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
> nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
> underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.

Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
netiquette?

- Logan

[George]

In article >,
Logan Shaw > wrote:

> Pete Dimsman wrote:
> > Logan Shaw wrote:
> >> Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
> >> discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?
>
> > And still not nearly enough.
>
> Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
> that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
> wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.
>
> > There is a good reason people are getting
> > scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
> > are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
> > nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
> > underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.
>
> Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
> stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
> going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
> not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
> pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
> of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
> netiquette?
>
> - Logan

and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
posting with a off topic post
same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of
g

[Pete Dimsman]

Logan Shaw wrote:

> Did it occur to you that being condescending will
> not help your cause?

Well it isn't "my" cause. It is our cause, but some still don't get it.

[ThePaulThomas]

Pete Dimsman > wrote in message >...
> <http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html>
>
>
> Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
> Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says
>
> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
> United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a role
> in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.

Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"

;-)

[Michael]

In article >,
says...
> In article >,
> Logan Shaw > wrote:
>
> > Pete Dimsman wrote:
> > > Logan Shaw wrote:
> > >> Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
> > >> discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?
> >
> > > And still not nearly enough.
> >
> > Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
> > that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
> > wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.
> >
> > > There is a good reason people are getting
> > > scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
> > > are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
> > > nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
> > > underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.
> >
> > Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
> > stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
> > going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
> > not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
> > pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
> > of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
> > netiquette?
> >
> > - Logan
>
> and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
> posting with a off topic post
> same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
> countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of

His wasn't off-topic. It was trying to steer the focus back onto
SOMETHING audio-related. Is there a post-production studio in Iran
we're talking about? No? Then the discussion is irrelevant to this
newsgroup. That's actually pretty logical and easy to see, right?
It's not necessary that you beat this to death in here. The short
history of internet discussion shows that people are already polarized
on issues like this, and arguing until you're blue in the face isn't
going to change a single person's opinion. So it's not only off-topic,
but useless posturing as well.
I'd rather read "What's the cheapest mic for capturing a canary?"
posts. At least it has something to do with audio.
My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
Nyquist limits at 24KHz. <---(Obligatory audio content)
---Michael (of APP)...

[George]

In article <MPG.1b6701c9c73b8ee0989788@newshost>,
Michael > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > In article >,
> > Logan Shaw > wrote:
> >
> > > Pete Dimsman wrote:
> > > > Logan Shaw wrote:
> > > >> Oooops, you invaded the wrong newsgroup. This one's for pro audio
> > > >> discussion. Didn't we cover that about 792 times in the last month?
> > >
> > > > And still not nearly enough.
> > >
> > > Apparently, because despite the number of times it's been pointed out
> > > that this is off-topic, it hasn't been enough. If it had been, people
> > > wouldn't still be posting off-topic stuff.
> > >
> > > > There is a good reason people are getting
> > > > scared and wanting to talk about this **** everywhere they can. There
> > > > are some important parallels to the past rise to power of some very
> > > > nasty leaders, and it is happening right under your nose. You obviously
> > > > underestimate the seriousness of what is going on in the US right now.
> > >
> > > Yes, right, of course. I disagree with your decision to post off-topic
> > > stuff, therefore I must obviously be less aware than you about what's
> > > going on in the US. Did it occur to you that being condescending will
> > > not help your cause? Did it occur to you that maybe I'm not a rabid
> > > pro-Bush guy trying to attack you because I disagree with your point
> > > of view and instead I'm actually really just annoyed at your lack of
> > > netiquette?
> > >
> > > - Logan
> >
> > and you don't find it a double standard to complain about off topic
> > posting with a off topic post
> > same logic that allows us to fught terrosim by invading and destroying
> > countrys that had nothing to do with the terrosim we accused them of
>
> His wasn't off-topic. It was trying to steer the focus back onto
> SOMETHING audio-related. Is there a post-production studio in Iran
> we're talking about? No? Then the discussion is irrelevant to this
> newsgroup. That's actually pretty logical and easy to see, right?
> It's not necessary that you beat this to death in here. The short
> history of internet discussion shows that people are already polarized
> on issues like this, and arguing until you're blue in the face isn't
> going to change a single person's opinion. So it's not only off-topic,
> but useless posturing as well.
> I'd rather read "What's the cheapest mic for capturing a canary?"
> posts. At least it has something to do with audio.
> My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
> about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
> happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
> Nyquist limits at 24KHz. <---(Obligatory audio content)
> ---Michael (of APP)...

and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
off topic
you guys are just 2 funny
G

[Michael]

In article >,
says...
> I said:
> > My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
> > about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
> > happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
> > Nyquist limits at 24KHz. <---(Obligatory audio content)
> > ---Michael (of APP)...
>
> and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
> off topic
> you guys are just 2 funny
> G

Hmm. Maybe you should read the whole post before inserting foot...
Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
all the gaff here lately?
---Michael (of APP)...

[Geoff Wood]

ThePaulThomas wrote:
> Pete Dimsman > wrote in message
> >...
>> <http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/07/19/bush.iran/index.html>
>>
>>
>> Bush: U.S. probes possible Iran links to 9/11.
>> Tehran government hiding Al Qaeda members, president says
>>
>> WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Iran is harboring members of al Qaeda, and the
>> United States is investigating whether the Iranian government had a
>> role in the September 11, 2001, attacks, President Bush said Monday.
>
> Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong
> _newsgroup_!"


No, "Ooops We Invaded The Wrong Thread".

geoff

[George]

In article <MPG.1b672e70a884f64898978b@newshost>,
Michael > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> > I said:
> > > My modified PZMs have a rising high frequency all the way out to
> > > about 24KHz! Their specified top end is 18KHz. I wonder how that
> > > happened? It could even be higher; my measurement system hits
> > > Nyquist limits at 24KHz. <---(Obligatory audio content)
> > > ---Michael (of APP)...
> >
> > and here we have another off topic post arguing about what is or isn't
> > off topic
> > you guys are just 2 funny
> > G
>
> Hmm. Maybe you should read the whole post before inserting foot...
> Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
> all the gaff here lately?
> ---Michael (of APP)...

tthe essence of your post was off topic
adding a unrelated bit of pointless audio does not make it on topic
if you wanted to be on topic you could have left off all the other stuff
except your pzm issue
G

[George]

> > Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
> > all the gaff here lately?
> > ---Michael (of APP)...
>
The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
over audio at this time
this is no time for banter about directional esoteric cables
we are discussing the very survival of freedom and the damage GW is
doing to it
G

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message


>>> Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
>>> all the gaff here lately?

Hysteria, pure and simple.

> The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
> over audio at this time

But George, your bellyaching about something that only you can change for
you, and then not until 11/2/2004, is a waste of all of our time, yourself
included.

> this is no time for banter about directional esoteric cables

Then go hit the streets or the election committee office of your choice,
George.

> we are discussing the very survival of freedom and the damage GW is doing
to it

No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're imposing
your will on people who don't agree with your priorities, just like you
accuse others of doing.

[George]

> No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're imposing
> your will on people who don't agree with your priorities, just like you
> accuse others of doing.
>
>

no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs, I don't care what
they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes against freedom
committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election
I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self intrests
beacuse they are getting both side of the situation

we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite the
constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
and what make you think I am not active locally?

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message


>> No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
>> imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
>> just like you accuse others of doing.

> no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs,

You're delusional, George. All you're doing is provoke a lot of posturing.

All you're doing is provoking a lot of OT posting.

>I don't care what they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes
against
> freedom committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
> reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election

You're delusional, George. Your arguing is so narrow and pointless that it
is easy to dismiss.

> I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self
> intrests beacuse they are getting both side of the situation

All they're getting George is a good laugh out of your illiterate, poorly
thought-out spew.

> we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite
> the constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
> and what make you think I am not active locally?

You have way too much time to spend here, George to have much of a life
locally. OTOH George, perhaps the locals can see you for what you are, and
try to limit your activities on their behalf.

[George]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
>
>
> >> No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
> >> imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
> >> just like you accuse others of doing.
>
> > no I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs,
>
> You're delusional, George. All you're doing is provoke a lot of posturing.
>
> All you're doing is provoking a lot of OT posting.
>
> >I don't care what they post here, the constant pointing out of the crimes
> against
> > freedom committed by this administration will cause a few to pause and
> > reconsider pulling the lever for GW at the election
>
> You're delusional, George. Your arguing is so narrow and pointless that it
> is easy to dismiss.
>
> > I hope I can influence them consider voting for thier own self
> > intrests beacuse they are getting both side of the situation
>
> All they're getting George is a good laugh out of your illiterate, poorly
> thought-out spew.
>
> > we have a caprious adminstration who is trying desperatly to rewrite
> > the constitution to make this a police state(IMO)
> > and what make you think I am not active locally?
>
> You have way too much time to spend here, George to have much of a life
> locally. OTOH George, perhaps the locals can see you for what you are, and
> try to limit your activities on their behalf.
>
>

as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the spelling
and grammer, plus you insuate what my reasons and thoughts are
neither of which you could possibly have any idea of
back under the bridge for you,little troll
G

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message


> as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
> spelling and grammer,

No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner core
beliefs.

Notice George that you just claimed that:

"I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You are
bragging that you are able to make them do something that is against their
will. You are invading their privacy and their disrupting theircontrol over
their own minds.

What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

[Kurt Riemann]

On Mon, 19 Jul 2004 22:17:20 -0500, Pete Dimsman >
wrote:

>
>

>Your pro audio discussions are going to be pretty insignificant in short
>order the way things are headed.
>

We certainly appreciate your earnestness.

- But -

Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
news. Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.


Seriously, let rec.pro.audio go, Pete.


Kurt Riemann

[Arny Krueger]

"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message


>> No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
>> imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
>> just like you accuse others of doing.

> No one is forcing you to read this read.

This is about George, not me. George has said that he advocates forcing
people to think as he wishes, and justifies his OT posting on those grounds.

[Don Cooper]

Mark Plancke wrote:

> Well, it's been next on the list to invade (aka liberate) for while
> hasn't it?


Next year?

[Pete Dimsman]

Kurt Riemann wrote:


> Give it a break. Everyone here is on usenet. Do you honestly think we
> have any trouble finding news? We get it from dozens of other sources
> we trust. Believe me, we know where to look when we want to find the
> news.

News? Isn't that the whole point? People have a need to discuss and
decide what is REALLY happening. This is important. News is not always
telling us the real scoop.

Why discuss audio? You can just read the manuals. You can read the
books. The point is the news group is here to discuss real world
applications of those manuals and books. People talking about hands on
experience.

The manual says use the small d for over head, the large d for vocals.
But wait, someone here found something different worked great in a
certain situation, lets discuss.

I agree it would be good if I could discuss the off topic stuff
elsewhere, but with the people here. I wish we could have an off topic
section. I don't want to go to the political news group with a bunch of
people I know nothing about and battle it out there, it is really much
less meaningful, and even more partisan than here, that is for sure.

> Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.

But that is a **** poor argument. Who is stopping you? Who forces you to
read the ot stuff? You can still find plenty of threads on the best
200 microphone. And it is archived for all eternity <g>

I apoligize and do agree it is a pain to click through all this crap to
find the real audio threads, but they are still there. And you are still
free to post and respond to them. In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
hear from you <g>.

It would be much better if we could have another section to spew this
other stuff in. Can't somebody set it up?

[Don Cooper]

Pete Dimsman wrote:

> In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
> hear from you <g>.


So you're saying that Phil Allison, is indeed, Mixerman.

[Andre Majorel]

On 2004-07-20, Arny Krueger > wrote:

> Notice George that you just claimed that:
>
> "I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"
>
> IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
> are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
> against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
> disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. There's a word for it
when it's done by adults to minors : education.

> What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

Er... a dad ?

--
André Majorel <URL:http://www.teaser.fr/~amajorel/>
Sauvez un phoque, mangez un eskimo.

[reddred]

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Mark Plancke wrote:
>
> > Well, it's been next on the list to invade (aka liberate) for while
> > hasn't it?
>
>
> Next year?

I don't think they can do it before then. Not only that, they'd be breaking
the 'one lie to get us into a war per president' rule, which has been in
place since JFK at least.

jb

[George]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
>
>
> > as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
> > spelling and grammer,
>
> No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner core
> beliefs.
>
> Notice George that you just claimed that:
>
> "I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"
>
> IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You are
> bragging that you are able to make them do something that is against their
> will. You are invading their privacy and their disrupting theircontrol over
> their own minds.
>
> What does all this forcable activity make you, George?
>
>
>
>
I dunno?
not very good at selecting adjectives?
g

[George]

>
> > What does all this forcable activity make you, George?
>
> Er... a dad ?

hey! that was consentual, at least for the first few years:-)
g

[Don Cooper]

reddred wrote:

> > Next year?
>
> I don't think they can do it before then. Not only that, they'd be breaking
> the 'one lie to get us into a war per president' rule, which has been in
> place since JFK at least.


Maybe it's been modified to "per term".

[Tracy Wintermute]

On 20 Jul 2004 08:16:48 -0700,
(ThePaulThomas) wrote:


>
> Shouldn't we change the subject to "OOOOPS! We invaded the wrong _newsgroup_!"


Exactly. Nail on the head.
Good call, Paul.


====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[Arny Krueger]

"Andre Majorel" > wrote in message

> On 2004-07-20, Arny Krueger > wrote:
>
>> Notice George that you just claimed that:
>>
>> "I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"
>>
>> IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
>> are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
>> against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
>> disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

> Oh yeah, I know what you're talking about. There's a word for it
> when it's done by adults to minors : education.

Agreed, but of course the context of RAP is different than the home.

>> What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

> Er... a dad ?

Totally appropriate in some contexts, but not this one.

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> as always Arny when you are up against the wall you attack the
>>> spelling and grammer,
>>
>> No George, I'm just trying to encourage you to rexamine your inner
>> core beliefs.
>>
>> Notice George that you just claimed that:

>> "I am forcing people to examine thier core beliefs"

>> IOW George, you are bragging about your use of force on people. You
>> are bragging that you are able to make them do something that is
>> against their will. You are invading their privacy and their
>> disrupting theircontrol over their own minds.

>> What does all this forcable activity make you, George?

> I dunno? not very good at selecting adjectives?

Come on George, if you can't say what you mean, why should we pay a moment's
attention to *anything* you write? If you are going to set yourself up as
some kind of leader or authority, at least try to pretend that you can play
the role.

I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're playing the
role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at a in-person meeting
of adults, you'd be shunned.

[Arny Krueger]

"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message

> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:02:50 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>> No George, you're merely obsessing and spinning your wheels. You're
>>>> imposing your will on people who don't agree with your priorities,
>>>> just like you accuse others of doing.
>>
>>> No one is forcing you to read this read.
>>
>> This is about George, not me. George has said that he advocates
>> forcing people to think as he wishes, and justifies his OT posting
>> on those grounds.
>
> I can read, and that is not what he said.

Playon, how can you judge George properly when you are caught up in the same
paranoia and agresssive behavior patterns?

There are over 20,000 Usenet forums, at least a 1,000 that are dedicated to
politics and social issues. Guys like you and George are obviously afraid to
play with even the small boys in political discussions.

[Don Cooper]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> If you did it at a in-person meeting
> of adults, you'd be shunned.


Oh no! Not the shunning! Anything but the shunning!

[Don Cooper]

playon wrote:

> They can't do it unless they restart the draft.


I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.

[Randall Shawver]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:19:22 -0400, Don Cooper
> wrote:

>
>
>playon wrote:
>
>> They can't do it unless they restart the draft.
>
>
>I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.

I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
You wouldnt?

Randall

[Don Cooper]

Randall Shawver wrote:

> I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
> and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
> You wouldnt?


Let's roll!

USA! USA! USA!

[Pietro]

>The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
>over audio at this time

This is one of the first concepts that fascism wanted to impose to us
in Italy.. "things that takes precedence".. a really awful matter...
There are many and many newsgroups for a thread like your and you want
to impose us to discuss it..
Now I have a question: WHO decide what "takes precedence"? You? the
King? Bush? Saddam?
I'll freely won't be stop speackin' hi-fi/lo-fi matters, and I hope
everybody will do the same.
I really can't easily immagine someone interested in gettin' a good
banjo sound at war.. while I could do it for someone who likes to
impose its questions.

Regards.

P.S.: sorry for my English..
Ciao,
Pietro

[George]

>
> I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're playing the
> role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at a in-person meeting
> of adults, you'd be shunned.

you say all this as if you have a point or that your rantings have any
authority
LOL
Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person

g
>
>

[George]

In article >,
Randall Shawver > wrote:

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:19:22 -0400, Don Cooper
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >playon wrote:
> >
> >> They can't do it unless they restart the draft.
> >
> >
> >I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.
>
> I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
> and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
> You wouldnt?
>
> Randall

send me a address I will have a army recruiter there within 48 hours to
sign you up
G

[George]

In article >,
Pietro > wrote:

> >The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
> >over audio at this time
>
> This is one of the first concepts that fascism wanted to impose to us
> in Italy.. "things that takes precedence".. a really awful matter...
> There are many and many newsgroups for a thread like your and you want
> to impose us to discuss it..
> Now I have a question: WHO decide what "takes precedence"? You? the
> King? Bush? Saddam?
> I'll freely won't be stop speackin' hi-fi/lo-fi matters, and I hope
> everybody will do the same.
> I really can't easily immagine someone interested in gettin' a good
> banjo sound at war.. while I could do it for someone who likes to
> impose its questions.
>
> Regards.
>
> P.S.: sorry for my English..
> Ciao,
> Pietro

I am saying it is taking precedence in my personal affairs, not that
anyone else needs to or even should care
George

[Michael]

In article >,
says...
>
> > > Normally you bring a decent audio discussion in here. What's with
> > > all the gaff here lately?
> > > ---Michael (of APP)...
> >
> The seriousness of the crimes GW Bush is committing takes precedence
> over audio at this time
> this is no time for banter about directional esoteric cables
> we are discussing the very survival of freedom and the damage GW is
> doing to it

You *do* realize that this is not a USA-only group, right?
Much of the world has no interest in this, and certainly not
in this forum. We're big, but we're not the whole world.
---Michael (of APP)...

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message


>> I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're
>> playing the role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at
>> a in-person meeting of adults, you'd be shunned.

> you say all this as if you have a point or that your rantings have any
authority

Tell us George about the last time upi showed up at a local AES chapter
meeting and hijacked it for political debate.

> Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person

OK, George tell about the last time upi showed up at a national AES
meeting and hijacked it for political debate.

There are over 20,000 Usenet groups, at least 1000 or more deal with social
issues. Apparently the cosmic meaning of this has escaped you, George.

[George]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
>
>
> >> I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're
> >> playing the role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it at
> >> a in-person meeting of adults, you'd be shunned.
>
> > you say all this as if you have a point or that your rantings have any
> authority
>
> Tell us George about the last time upi showed up at a local AES chapter
> meeting and hijacked it for political debate.
>
> > Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person
>
> OK, George tell about the last time upi showed up at a national AES
> meeting and hijacked it for political debate.
>
> There are over 20,000 Usenet groups, at least 1000 or more deal with social
> issues. Apparently the cosmic meaning of this has escaped you, George.

I perfer to discuss this with names I know, if fact Ihave met face to
face wih many of those I am in disscusion with here
so you see arny I am not going to the other groups beacuse I know and
have met many of those I am talking to here , they are at least allied
in the feild I work in, know the people I know and thier opinions are
the ones I am intrested in
other wise I might as well set up a soap box at the bus stop and yell
into the wind
G
>
>

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>>> I think your statement was very telling. In fact George you're
>>>> playing the role of a disruptive child around here. If you did it
>>>> at a in-person meeting of adults, you'd be shunned.
>>
>>> you say all this as if you have a point or that your rantings have
>>> any authority
>>
>> Tell us George about the last time upi showed up at a local AES
>> chapter meeting and hijacked it for political debate.
>>
>>> Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person
>>
>> OK, George tell about the last time upi showed up at a national AES
>> meeting and hijacked it for political debate.
>>
>> There are over 20,000 Usenet groups, at least 1000 or more deal with
>> social issues. Apparently the cosmic meaning of this has escaped
>> you, George.
>
> I perfer to discuss this with names I know, if fact I have met face to
> face wih many of those I am in disscusion with here
> so you see arny I am not going to the other groups beacuse I know and
> have met many of those I am talking to here , they are at least allied
> in the feild I work in, know the people I know and thier opinions are
> the ones I am intrested in
> other wise I might as well set up a soap box at the bus stop and yell
> into the wind.

Well George, why not invite those names you know to join you in a forum
where your discusion would be on topic?

I know one reason why you don't do this George, you know you lack the
personal influence to pull this off.

I know another why George - you've already said so - you desire to impose
yourself on people who are just here do to audio. It's your equivalent of a
mission from God.

[George]

It's your equivalent of a
> mission from God.
>
Arny , go see the nurse, she has your medications ready
G

[Mark Steven Brooks]

<<> If you did it at a in-person meeting
> of adults, you'd be shunned.


Oh no! Not the shunning! Anything but the shunning!>>


How about THE COMFY CHAIR!
(Mark Steven Brooks/Elaterium Music)

[George]

In article >,
(Mark Steven Brooks) wrote:

> <<> If you did it at a in-person meeting
> > of adults, you'd be shunned.
>
>
> Oh no! Not the shunning! Anything but the shunning!>>
>
>
> How about THE COMFY CHAIR!

at least I wasn't attacked with a rasberry!
George

[Don Cooper]

Mark Steven Brooks wrote:

> How about THE COMFY CHAIR!


Not THE COMFY CHAIR!

[Don Cooper]

George wrote:

> at least I wasn't attacked with a rasberry!


No one expects the Spanish Inquisition!

[Don Cooper]

George wrote:

> Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person


I'd have a $10 muffin with ya, George.

[Don Cooper]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> Tell us George about the last time upi showed up at a local AES chapter
> meeting and hijacked it for political debate.

> OK, George tell about the last time upi showed up at a national AES
> meeting and hijacked it for political debate.



What's all this about the UPI?

[Kurt Riemann]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:42:30 -0500, Pete Dimsman >
wrote:


>I agree it would be good if I could discuss the off topic stuff
>elsewhere, but with the people here.

I completely agree. I like the patrons of this particular brothel.

>I wish we could have an off topic
>section. I don't want to go to the political news group with a bunch of
>people I know nothing about and battle it out there, it is really much
>less meaningful, and even more partisan than here, that is for sure.

Yeah. they're not necessarily people who can hold two or three
opposing arguments in their heads . . .

>
>> Now we need some help finding Pro Audio talk.
>
>But that is a **** poor argument. Who is stopping you? Who forces you to
> read the ot stuff? You can still find plenty of threads on the best
>200 microphone. And it is archived for all eternity <g>
>

I frankly don't care about the answers to 95% of the newbie questions.
I've been doing audio for thirty years and don't give two cents about
the new AKG mike or new PC audio card blah blah. I'm not a prosumer. I
don't need to buy much of anything anymore.

Nobody forces me to read the newbie threads either. But you ARE
forcing everyone to read your headers, which are off-topic.

I'm here to help out the small fry so I can ask bigger questions when
the time comes. Like what is a replacement cap for my 2" 24 track
repro board when I need the advice in the next 15 minutes. That advice
appears like magic because the die-hards have stayed with the group
and have not gone off to a moderated board.

Which is a risk.

Many are gone who were active just 3 years ago. They got sick of the
bull****.

>I apoligize and do agree it is a pain to click through all this crap to
>find the real audio threads, but they are still there. And you are still
>free to post and respond to them. In fact Phil Allison is just dying to
>hear from you <g>.
>

Phil Allison can suck my dick. He is a great big zero with no
recording background.

I occasionally chat it up with the political side of things in here
but my point is that we could start threads on AIDS, child
molestation, boat safety and anything that we feel is vital for our
attention. But to say that your off-topic posts are more important
than audio (which is the sentiment that SHOUTED off-topic headers
project, like it or not) will always make the hordes say - "Then find
a more receptive group!"

I don't open the newspaper and look for comics on the front page and
gardening articles in the classified ads. While usenet is the Wild
Frontier, it stands a good chance of becoming insensible without some
self-policing. That's all.

As a general rule -

DON'TSHOUT,

and put OT in front of the post for the filterers.



BTW - I agree with your political direction.



Kurt Riemann

[George]

In article >,
Don Cooper > wrote:

> George wrote:
>
> > Come see me at AES I will give you twice this in person
>
>
> I'd have a $10 muffin with ya, George.

I get the top
G

[reddred]

"Randall Shawver" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 09:19:22 -0400, Don Cooper
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >playon wrote:
> >
> >> They can't do it unless they restart the draft.
> >
> >
> >I think Will would look darn good in a uniform.
>
> I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
> and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
> You wouldnt?
>
> Randall

Yay, let's just plant the flag at the north pole and say the whole ****ing
ball is ours. We can put guns on the moon to keep all them foreigners in
line and make sure thay sell us their stuff at prices we dictate. After all,
we need people to make cheap crap for us, don't we?

jb

[Randall Shawver]

We can put guns on the moon to keep all them foreigners in
>line and make sure thay sell us their stuff at prices we dictate. After all,
>we need people to make cheap crap for us, don't we?
>
We arent talking about all foreigners, just the ones that swear an
oath to kill us.And we are responsible for the cheap crap made
overseas being the only thing in our stores, because we demand it by
going to dollar general, wal mart, and other cheap ass stores.

Randall

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"Randall Shawver" > wrote in message...


> We arent talking about all foreigners,

Why not ? ? ? ? Leave *anyone* out and you're making a mistake.


> just the ones that swear an oath to kill us.

Well, maybe. Why don't you just point out all who those folks who swore
the oath and maybe we can address that problem.

[Arny Krueger]

"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message


> Spare me the dime store psychology. If it's anywhere near the quality
> your pronouncements on audio I'll take a pass.

Why don't you come play audio with me? Show us what you've got besides empty
claims!

[Pete Dimsman]

Kurt Riemann wrote:


> I occasionally chat it up with the political side of things in here
> but my point is that we could start threads on AIDS, child
> molestation, boat safety and anything that we feel is vital for our
> attention. But to say that your off-topic posts are more important
> than audio (which is the sentiment that SHOUTED off-topic headers
> project, like it or not) will always make the hordes say - "Then find
> a more receptive group!"
>
> I don't open the newspaper and look for comics on the front page and
> gardening articles in the classified ads. While usenet is the Wild
> Frontier, it stands a good chance of becoming insensible without some
> self-policing. That's all.
>
> As a general rule -
>
> DON'TSHOUT,
>
> and put OT in front of the post for the filterers.

Well said, you make very valid points.

>
> BTW - I agree with your political direction.
>

:)

[Don Cooper]

George wrote:

> >
> > I'd have a $10 muffin with ya, George.
>
> I get the top


Top Of The Muffin To You!

[Don Cooper]

reddred wrote:

> Yay, let's just plant the flag at the north pole and say the whole ****ing
> ball is ours. We can put guns on the moon to keep all them foreigners in
> line and make sure thay sell us their stuff at prices we dictate. After all,
> we need people to make cheap crap for us, don't we?


Reminds me of the Mr. Show skit - "Let's blow up the moon!"

[Randall Shawver]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 20:12:10 GMT, "David Morgan \(MAMS\)"
> wrote:

>
>"Randall Shawver" > wrote in message...
>
>
>> We arent talking about all foreigners,
>
>Why not ? ? ? ? Leave *anyone* out and you're making a mistake.

I doubt the aborigiones could mount a serious attack on the USA, so
why not exclude them?
>
>
>> just the ones that swear an oath to kill us.
>
>Well, maybe. Why don't you just point out all who those folks who swore
>the oath and maybe we can address that problem.

Hezbollah , Al Qaeda, Taliban, and those who openly support them.

Randall

[Don Cooper]

Randall Shawver wrote:

> I doubt the aborigiones could mount a serious attack on the USA, so
> why not exclude them?


BTW, they are "Aboriginals".

Spared!

Give 'em a call, will you Randy? I'm sure they'll be thrilled.

Anyone else on "Shawver's List"?

[WillStG]

>playonATcomcast.net

>Maybe he just enjoys baiting the easily-trolled like yourself.

Right. When you're exposed as a dumbass that doesn't know his ****, just
claim you were "trolling"....

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[WillStG]

>Don Cooper

>Let's roll!
>
>USA! USA! USA!

So said the brave people who died keeping their hijacked plane from
crashing into Washington DC.

Real Patriot, you are Don, mocking the dead.


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Arny Krueger]

"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message

> On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 16:25:06 -0400, "Arny Krueger" >
> wrote:
>
>> "playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message
>>
>>
>>> Spare me the dime store psychology. If it's anywhere near the
>>> quality your pronouncements on audio I'll take a pass.
>>
>> Why don't you come play audio with me? Show us what you've got
>> besides empty claims!
>
> What claims would those be?

I guess I'll have to spell the obvious out for you, playon.

That my so-called pronouncements are of low quality.

[George]

> That my so-called pronouncements are of low quality.
>
so are your debateing attemts
g

[Don Cooper]

WillStG wrote:

> >Let's roll!
> >
> >USA! USA! USA!
>
> So said the brave people who died keeping their hijacked plane from
> crashing into Washington DC.
>
> Real Patriot, you are Don, mocking the dead.


Who's mocking?

I just got my FOX to English decoder ring.

"They hate our freedom."

[Don Cooper]

Hey, snip me out of there!

Arny, can't you edit?

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

>> That my so-called pronouncements are of low quality.

> so are your debateing attemts

George, what is your blood alcohol content when you spell this badly?

[Arny Krueger]

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message

> Hey, snip me out of there!

You're beating on the wrong guy, it was George who failed to snip your name
out when he snipped out what you said.

[George]

In article >,
"Arny Krueger" > wrote:

> "George" > wrote in message
>
> >> That my so-called pronouncements are of low quality.
>
> > so are your debateing attemts
>
> George, what is your blood alcohol content when you spell this badly?
>
>

got nothing to say again ?
so you start up with the spelling nazi bull****?
**** off

[Randall Shawver]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 17:29:13 -0400, pH > wrote:

>On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 13:26:34 GMT, Randall Shawver >
>wrote:
>
>[...]
>
>>I would gladly suit up to oppose those who chant death to America
>>and want the destruction of us, Israel and democracy altogether.
>>You wouldnt?
>
>For "chanting"? And "wanting"? No. I would gladly suit up to
>_protect_ my own, and my neighbor. The scumbags of which
>you speak are not welcome in my house or on my yard (along
>with the kkk and any other number of morons), and... long as they
>stay in theirs, I'll stay in mine.
>
>Jeff
>
What makes you think they will stay in their own yard?
They have operatives worldwide, including in America.

Randall

[Don Cooper]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> You're beating on the wrong guy, it was George who failed to snip your name
> out when he snipped out what you said.


Hey, if the last guy ****ed it up for your client, you fix it.

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

> In article >,
> "Arny Krueger" > wrote:
>
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>
>>>> That my so-called pronouncements are of low quality.

>>> so are your debateing attemts

>> George, what is your blood alcohol content when you spell this badly?

> got nothing to say again ?

Just taking notice of your 40% error rate if we count words.

> so you start up with the spelling nazi bull****?

Just taking notice of your approx 60% error rate if we weight the
misspelled words by their length

> **** off

What gives you the right to be so abusive, George? Is that one of the
benefits of being a card-carrying atheist?

[George]

>
> What gives you the right to be so abusive, George? Is that one of the
> benefits of being a card-carrying atheist?
>
>
there is a time for politness and a time for rudeness
one gets what they earn
and you arny get ,**** off.

[Arny Krueger]

"Don Cooper" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> You're beating on the wrong guy, it was George who failed to snip
>> your name out when he snipped out what you said.
>
>
> Hey, if the last guy ****ed it up for your client, you fix it.

You seem to be confused. You're not my client.

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message

>> What gives you the right to be so abusive, George? Is that one of the
>> benefits of being a card-carrying atheist?

> there is a time for politness and a time for rudeness

Agreed, but you seem to think that biting a hand that is trying to assist
you is a good idea.

> one gets what they earn

Only on a good day.

> and you arny get ,**** off.

Oh, that really hurts George!

Oh! Oh!

[George]

>
> So George are you saying that Clinton is a criminal like Bush since they
> both attacked countries that weren't a threat to us?
>
>


I am not aware of any war clinton started

And Arny when are you going to grasp the simplest part of posting
Edit out the old stuff.
you do not need to repost 100's of kb of already posted material with
each two word reply you make

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message



You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.

How many times an hour do you change your story?

[George]

> > you God spoke directly to me and said he would not allow any attacks
> > what that matter arny , you got no faith?
>
> Thanks for showing that you are delusional, George.
>
> > And no I did not believe the being was a God though he said, and I
> > quote"I am the God Arny believes in "
>
> Thanks for showing once again that you are delusional, George.
>
>
you do not believe in your own God , arny?

[Pete Dimsman]

Arny Krueger wrote:
> "George" > wrote in message
>
>
>
> You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.
>
> How many times an hour do you change your story?

And how about you? Remember this post from July 5th?

Arny Krueger wrote:

> George, there's over 20,000 other Usenet groups where you can argue about
> politics. Approximately 740 of them even have the word politics in their
> name.
>
> What we really need on RAP is audio guys who give a crap about audio.
>
> George when't the last day where you made as many audio-related posts
on RAP
> as the politics and the anti-religiou crap? Oh, I forgot, you're too busy
> bashing people because of their politics and religion to have much
time for
> audio. Face it George, you're just a lonely man who is looking for
attention
> at any cost. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have that
much to
> say about it.
>
>

[George]

.. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have that
> much to
> > say about it.
> >
> >

well after last week where I was out 5 days with a national level 100
act bluegrass festiival(www.greyfoxbluegrass.com), and tomorrow I set up
3 stages for Oswego Ny's Harborfest(300,000 in attendence) i will not be
able to pleasure arny with any more posts till at least sunday late at
night if I bother to log on after 96 straight hours of audio
so one can easily see I am just a lonely desperate man with nothing to
do except play the foil so arnys wisdom has a chance to shine
peace
george

[Arny Krueger]

"playon" <playonATcomcast.net> wrote in message


> My impression of your audio posts, when compared to that of other
> regular contributors, is that you are a somewhat rigid thinker who
> gets hung up on specs, etc.

You could be right, you could be wrong. But unlike the OT crap you fill your
days with Playon, discussing it would be a relevant discussion for this
forum. Why haven't you asked me some relevant questions about your thoughts
about my thoughts about audio? It takes no more time than the OT crap that
you fill your days with.

Personally Playon, I think you're too timid and too poorly informed to get
into a serious discussion of audio specs, etc. I have zero respect for
cowardice and intentional ignorance. Few people do. Furthermore I think this
kind of fear and ignornace affects a lot of the vigorous OT posters.

[Arny Krueger]

"Pete Dimsman" > wrote in message

> Arny Krueger wrote:
>> "George" > wrote in message
>>
>>
>>
>> You didn't say anything about a war George, you just said attack.
>>
>> How many times an hour do you change your story?

> And how about you?

I'll compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week. Remember, this
is an Off Topic post.

>Remember this post from July 5th?

> Arny Krueger wrote:

"George, there's over 20,000 other Usenet groups where you can
argue about politics. Approximately 740 of them even have the word
politics in their name."

"What we really need on RAP is audio guys who give a crap about audio.
George when't the last day where you made as many audio-related
posts on RAP as the politics and the anti-religiou crap? Oh, I forgot,
you're
too busy bashing people because of their politics and religion to
have much time for audio. Face it George, you're just a lonely man who is
looking for
attention at any cost. You apparently don't do enough with audio to have
that
much to say about it."

Sure, and that's pretty much the same thing I've said to George today. So
where's the beef?

I'll still compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week.

[Arny Krueger]

"George" > wrote in message


>>> you God spoke directly to me and said he would not allow any attacks
>>> what that matter arny , you got no faith?
>>
>> Thanks for showing that you are delusional, George.
>>
>>> And no I did not believe the being was a God though he said, and I
>>> quote"I am the God Arny believes in "
>>
>> Thanks for showing once again that you are delusional, George.
>>
>>
> you do not believe in your own God , arny?

That's not it at all, George. You made up a list of stupid beliefs, and then
you said they're my beliefs. Since you made them up, they are actually your
beliefs. Don't blame me for your bad theology!

[Pete Dimsman]

Arny Krueger wrote:

> I'll compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week. Remember, this
> is an Off Topic post.

Oh I see. It is about the percentage of your off topic posts. And what
exactly have YOU decided is the standard for an acceptable off-topic
percentage?

[Arny Krueger]

"Pete Dimsman" > wrote in message


> Arny Krueger wrote:
>
>> I'll compare On Topic post counts to you any day of the week.
>> Remember, this is an Off Topic post.
>
> Oh I see. It is about the percentage of your off topic posts.

Reading comprehension failing? What is unclear about "On Topic post counts".

> And what exactly have YOU decided is the standard for an acceptable
off-topic percentage?

Irrelevant question, for the reason just cited, due to the gratuitous
inclusion of the word percentage.

BTW Pete, a quick retrieval from google suggests that you made exactly 1
(one) audio-related post here since the beginning of the month. Your post
neither asked a question nor did it discuss audio in a meaningful way nor
did it add anything else of value.

Therefore, its safe to say that you either don't have much active interest
or involvement in audio or think you know it all but don't want to share any
of it. Could you be much more irrelevant to the formally stated goals of
this group? Why don't you find a nice politics or social questions related
group to post in?

[Kurt Albershardt]

Arny Krueger wrote:
>
> I have zero respect for cowardice and intentional ignorance.
> Few people do. Furthermore I think this kind of fear and
> ignornace affects a lot of the vigorous OT posters.

On both sides.





Seriously folks (on both sides): I enjoy a good political discussion as much as the next guy but could we all make a reasonable effort to keep the personal attacks down to a low roar?