FINALLY - An accurate Ebay description...

[Analogeezer]

"What you see is what you get", I love it....

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23787&item=3736342711&rd=1

Analogeezer

[Doc]

"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
> "What you see is what you get", I love it....

These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when it
arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.

[Doc]

"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
> "What you see is what you get", I love it....

These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when it
arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
> wrote:

>
>"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
>> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>
>These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when it
>arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
>

Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
smell a legal minefield.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
> wrote:

>
>"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
>> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>
>These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when it
>arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
>

Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
smell a legal minefield.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
> om...
> >> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
> >
> >These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when
it
> >arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
> >
>
> Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
> opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
> anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
> smell a legal minefield.

Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
> om...
> >> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
> >
> >These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when
it
> >arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
> >
>
> Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
> opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
> anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
> smell a legal minefield.

Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?
--


Neil Henderson
Saqqara Records
http://www.saqqararecords.com

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:00:43 GMT, >
wrote:

>"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> >> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>> >
>> >These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when
>it
>> >arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
>> >
>>
>> Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
>> opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
>> anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
>> smell a legal minefield.
>
>Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
>used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
>that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
>nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?

So if I sold an item (here in the UK) on Ebay (.com, not .co.uk) to a
buyer who was also in the UK, then any disagreement between us would
be resolved under US law? Interesting!

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 13:00:43 GMT, >
wrote:

>"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...
>> On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:12:06 GMT, "Doc"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
>> om...
>> >> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>> >
>> >These "sales are final" auctions are b.s. So if the thing is dead when
>it
>> >arrives, tough? Thanks for the free money? I don't think so.
>> >
>>
>> Such a contract would have no force in the UK, unless the buyer had an
>> opportunity to inspect and test the item, then buy it "as seen". Does
>> anybody know what country's law is used to interpret Ebay contracts? I
>> smell a legal minefield.
>
>Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
>used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
>that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
>nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?

So if I sold an item (here in the UK) on Ebay (.com, not .co.uk) to a
buyer who was also in the UK, then any disagreement between us would
be resolved under US law? Interesting!

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[George Perfect]

In this place, Don Pearce was recorded saying ...
> >
> >Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
> >used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
> >that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
> >nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?
>
> So if I sold an item (here in the UK) on Ebay (.com, not .co.uk) to a
> buyer who was also in the UK, then any disagreement between us would
> be resolved under US law? Interesting!

That's not my understanding. The contract in this case is between buyer
and seller (you each have separate contracts with eBay that get them
their share of your cash). The sale/purchase transaction would,
therefore, be subject to UK law. If the goods were not as described, you
would have the same rights of remedy as if the advert was placed in your
local newspaper.

What happens if buyer and seller are in separate countries (especially
outside the EU) is anyone's guess. :(

It's possibly also interesting to note that PayPal (now owned by eBay)
has imposed a new UK specific contract, based in UK law, on its
customers who hold UK bank accounts.

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

[George Perfect]

In this place, Don Pearce was recorded saying ...
> >
> >Probably US law, since that's where they're based, yes? Unless some process
> >used were to violate some kind of international law, wouldn't it make sense
> >that the company would have to operate within the legal parameters of the
> >nation in which they're based, licensed & so forth?
>
> So if I sold an item (here in the UK) on Ebay (.com, not .co.uk) to a
> buyer who was also in the UK, then any disagreement between us would
> be resolved under US law? Interesting!

That's not my understanding. The contract in this case is between buyer
and seller (you each have separate contracts with eBay that get them
their share of your cash). The sale/purchase transaction would,
therefore, be subject to UK law. If the goods were not as described, you
would have the same rights of remedy as if the advert was placed in your
local newspaper.

What happens if buyer and seller are in separate countries (especially
outside the EU) is anyone's guess. :(

It's possibly also interesting to note that PayPal (now owned by eBay)
has imposed a new UK specific contract, based in UK law, on its
customers who hold UK bank accounts.

--

George
Newcastle, England

Problems worthy of attack
Prove their worth, by hitting back [Piet Hein]

[Doc]

"George Perfect" > wrote in message
o.uk...

>
> That's not my understanding. The contract in this case is between buyer
> and seller (you each have separate contracts with eBay that get them
> their share of your cash).

Yup, eBay states explicitly that they do not warranty the items. They only
get involved if there's outright fraud involved. If you follow certain
guidelines they'll refund your money - if you pay by approved an approved
method and under certain circumstances.

> What happens if buyer and seller are in separate countries (especially
> outside the EU) is anyone's guess. :(

One reason why I never deal with anyone outside the U.S.

[Doc]

"George Perfect" > wrote in message
o.uk...

>
> That's not my understanding. The contract in this case is between buyer
> and seller (you each have separate contracts with eBay that get them
> their share of your cash).

Yup, eBay states explicitly that they do not warranty the items. They only
get involved if there's outright fraud involved. If you follow certain
guidelines they'll refund your money - if you pay by approved an approved
method and under certain circumstances.

> What happens if buyer and seller are in separate countries (especially
> outside the EU) is anyone's guess. :(

One reason why I never deal with anyone outside the U.S.

[Analogeezer]

(Analogeezer) wrote in message >...
> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23787&item=3736342711&rd=1
>
> Analogeezer

Well the description is pretty accurate, what you see is what you get.

What I see is a beat to **** amp that probably won't work when it
arrives, or then again it might. Would it be worth the postage to find
out? Probably not.

The ones that get me are the ones that say "I used this a few years
back but I have no way to test it...all the lights come on".

That screams to me "I used this until it broke, then put it away until
I got the bright idea to sell it on Ebay, I'm glad the power lights
and led's still work".

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

(Analogeezer) wrote in message >...
> "What you see is what you get", I love it....
>
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=23787&item=3736342711&rd=1
>
> Analogeezer

Well the description is pretty accurate, what you see is what you get.

What I see is a beat to **** amp that probably won't work when it
arrives, or then again it might. Would it be worth the postage to find
out? Probably not.

The ones that get me are the ones that say "I used this a few years
back but I have no way to test it...all the lights come on".

That screams to me "I used this until it broke, then put it away until
I got the bright idea to sell it on Ebay, I'm glad the power lights
and led's still work".

Analogeezer