The end of NPR & PBS is near!

[B.F. Goodrich]

On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
(NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
their services, some government officials believe that the
funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:

[Ben Bradley]

This is of course false. I hadn't seen this one in a while::

http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/nea.asp

Also, it's posted from a hotmail account through Google in an
apparent attempt at anonymity. Send complaints to as well
as hotmail and google.

On 3 Jun 2004 06:17:20 -0700, (B.F. Goodrich)
wrote:

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>On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
>the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
>the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts


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[Ben Bradley]

This is of course false. I hadn't seen this one in a while::

http://www.snopes.com/politics/arts/nea.asp

Also, it's posted from a hotmail account through Google in an
apparent attempt at anonymity. Send complaints to as well
as hotmail and google.

On 3 Jun 2004 06:17:20 -0700, (B.F. Goodrich)
wrote:

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>On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
>the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
>the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts


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[Paul Stamler]

"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:

Go to:
www.snopes.com
Search on "Nina Totenberg".

Peace,
Paul

[Paul Stamler]

"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:

Go to:
www.snopes.com
Search on "Nina Totenberg".

Peace,
Paul

[Wayne]

>"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
>> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
>> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
>> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
>> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
>> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
>> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
>> their services, some government officials believe that the
>> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
>> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
>> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
>> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
>> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
>> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
>> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
>> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
>> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
>> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
>
>
PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.

Wayne

[Wayne]

>"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
>> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
>> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
>> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
>> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
>> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
>> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
>> their services, some government officials believe that the
>> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
>> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
>> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
>> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
>> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
>> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
>> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
>> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
>> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
>> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
>
>
PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.

Wayne

[Steven Sena]

Your listing to NPR. We're smarter than you...

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com

"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:

[Steven Sena]

Your listing to NPR. We're smarter than you...

--
Steven Sena
XS Sound Recording
www.xssound.com

"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
om...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:

[David Satz]

B.F. Goodrich wrote:

> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. [ ... ] Please add your
> name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in what
> this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and
> the Vice President of the United States.

This would be quite alarming if true, but it is actually a well-known
Internet hoax going back years, one which surfaces again every so often.

In case the person who posted this was serious: Please, before sending
any message of this type ("Hey everybody! There's an emergency!"), check
it out at any of a group of "Urban Myth" Web sites. www.kumite.com/myths,
hoaxbusters.ciac.org and www.snopes.com are good places to start for
general "urban myths"; for computer viruses, the sites of the major anti-
virus software vendors (Symantec, McAfee, etc.) can be consulted.

In many cases they will not only stop you from making a fool of yourself,
but will also spare you the stress of believing that an emergency is
occurring. Worse yet is the paranoia that comes from believing that
you're one of the few (or only) people who are aware of the impending
disaster--like in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
That'll age you fast.

Certainly there are enough causes for real alarm in the world that we
don't need to augment them with made-up situations.

[David Satz]

B.F. Goodrich wrote:

> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. [ ... ] Please add your
> name to this list and forward it to friends who believe in what
> this stands for. This list will be forwarded to the President and
> the Vice President of the United States.

This would be quite alarming if true, but it is actually a well-known
Internet hoax going back years, one which surfaces again every so often.

In case the person who posted this was serious: Please, before sending
any message of this type ("Hey everybody! There's an emergency!"), check
it out at any of a group of "Urban Myth" Web sites. www.kumite.com/myths,
hoaxbusters.ciac.org and www.snopes.com are good places to start for
general "urban myths"; for computer viruses, the sites of the major anti-
virus software vendors (Symantec, McAfee, etc.) can be consulted.

In many cases they will not only stop you from making a fool of yourself,
but will also spare you the stress of believing that an emergency is
occurring. Worse yet is the paranoia that comes from believing that
you're one of the few (or only) people who are aware of the impending
disaster--like in the final scene of "Invasion of the Body Snatchers".
That'll age you fast.

Certainly there are enough causes for real alarm in the world that we
don't need to augment them with made-up situations.

[B.F. Goodrich]

Sorry, my bad.

[B.F. Goodrich]

Sorry, my bad.

[hank alrich]

Wayne wrote:

> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.

Over the last two decades I've heard more original music in between NPR
newscasts than I have heard via any other type of broadcast. Worried
about the US Federal budget? Try this:

http://www.e-tractions.com/truemajority/run/oreo?ep=BWUZO2MzMjE3gjK3gjds



--
ha

[hank alrich]

Wayne wrote:

> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.

Over the last two decades I've heard more original music in between NPR
newscasts than I have heard via any other type of broadcast. Worried
about the US Federal budget? Try this:

http://www.e-tractions.com/truemajority/run/oreo?ep=BWUZO2MzMjE3gjK3gjds



--
ha

[Scott Dorsey]

hank alrich > wrote:
>Wayne wrote:
>> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.
>
>Over the last two decades I've heard more original music in between NPR
>newscasts than I have heard via any other type of broadcast.

Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical warhorse stations,
and altogether too much of the NPR classical programming coming off the bird
consists of the top 200 classical pieces, over and over again. Tune into
St. Paul Sunday Morning and you'll hear the same thing you heard the night
before from the Chicago Symphony. You will never hear George Antheil or
Xenakos on the national programs, but for that matter you won't hear C.P.E.
Bach much either.

What makes up for this is some of the fine local programming, and it's in
almost all markets large and small. Yes, there are folks on local stations
who play Janacek operas still. As long as this is the case, I'll keep
sending them a donation.
--scott

I could listen to Georges Collinais all day long, though.
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

hank alrich > wrote:
>Wayne wrote:
>> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.
>
>Over the last two decades I've heard more original music in between NPR
>newscasts than I have heard via any other type of broadcast.

Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical warhorse stations,
and altogether too much of the NPR classical programming coming off the bird
consists of the top 200 classical pieces, over and over again. Tune into
St. Paul Sunday Morning and you'll hear the same thing you heard the night
before from the Chicago Symphony. You will never hear George Antheil or
Xenakos on the national programs, but for that matter you won't hear C.P.E.
Bach much either.

What makes up for this is some of the fine local programming, and it's in
almost all markets large and small. Yes, there are folks on local stations
who play Janacek operas still. As long as this is the case, I'll keep
sending them a donation.
--scott

I could listen to Georges Collinais all day long, though.
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding.

This seems to come around every few years, maybe even every
presidential election cycle.


--
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lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding.

This seems to come around every few years, maybe even every
presidential election cycle.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical warhorse stations,
> and altogether too much of the NPR classical programming coming off the bird
> consists of the top 200 classical pieces, over and over again.

They have high priced consultants to tell them what to play at what
time of the day, too.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical warhorse stations,
> and altogether too much of the NPR classical programming coming off the bird
> consists of the top 200 classical pieces, over and over again.

They have high priced consultants to tell them what to play at what
time of the day, too.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Chris!]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...> What makes up for this is some of the
fine local programming, and it's in
> almost all markets large and small. Yes, there are folks on local
stations
> who play Janacek operas still. As long as this is the case, I'll keep
> sending them a donation.

In this market--the same as Scott's--there was a wonderful commercial
classical station, WGH-FM. It was #13 just before the owners flipped it to
rock. We get 40-some FM signals here and you would think that one of the
low-rated stations would want to get up to #13 by programming classical...


--
Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs*
Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com
Phone: 757-621-1348
*Your opinion may vary

[Chris!]

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...> What makes up for this is some of the
fine local programming, and it's in
> almost all markets large and small. Yes, there are folks on local
stations
> who play Janacek operas still. As long as this is the case, I'll keep
> sending them a donation.

In this market--the same as Scott's--there was a wonderful commercial
classical station, WGH-FM. It was #13 just before the owners flipped it to
rock. We get 40-some FM signals here and you would think that one of the
low-rated stations would want to get up to #13 by programming classical...


--
Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs*
Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com
Phone: 757-621-1348
*Your opinion may vary

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:


The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:


The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:


The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:


The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:



The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Mike]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in message >...
> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> their services, some government officials believe that the
> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:



The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.

After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
they are courting money from big corporations.

So any further cutbacks would be the end. But the current product
already is far from what we once knew.

Mike http://www.mmeproductions.com

[Richard Crowley]

> Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical
> warhorse stations, and altogether too much of the NPR classical
> programming coming off the bird consists of the top 200
> classical pieces, over and over again.

And in other markets, they become just another me-too talk
outlet.

[Richard Crowley]

> Too many of the NPR affiliates have turned into classical
> warhorse stations, and altogether too much of the NPR classical
> programming coming off the bird consists of the top 200
> classical pieces, over and over again.

And in other markets, they become just another me-too talk
outlet.

[Ben Bradley]

On 4 Jun 2004 06:39:13 -0700, (Mike) wrote:

>The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
>sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
>congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
>liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
>Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.
>
>After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
>started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
>essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
>like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
>they are courting money from big corporations.
>
>So any further cutbacks would be the end.

Eliminating federal funding for broadcasting would definitely be
the end of federal funding for public broadcasting (sorry for the
tautology), but since it's already such a low percentage of their
budget, things wouldn't change much. (They might drop Weekend Edition,
or regretably, "From The Top" but I have no doubt they'd keep "Car
Talk.")

But it would certainly NOT be the end of these "they're cutting
funding for Public Broadcasting" chain letters.

In another response in this thread, wrote:

>I guess this is an appropriate time to post this:
>The following has made the rounds recently and is purportedly penned
>by a college instructor with help from his networking class.
>
>Hi Folks. I am sure that some of you who receive this will see that
>some parts of this message apply to you.
>Please do not be insulted, as this is just a general list of rules to
>live by when you are on-line, or sending e-mail.

Years ago I was on a mailing list where chain letters were often
forwarded, and every time, someone would post a similar response text.
It seemed like a waste of bandwidth, so I put the text on my website,
and posted the URL every time I saw a chain letter posted:
http://www.mindspring.com/~benbradley/gulltest.html
Some of the links may be dead, but the idea expressed holds up as well
as ever.
In retrospect, posting the whole text was probably more effective,
since the perpetrators are less likely to go to a website than to read
text right in front of their noses.

>But the current product
>already is far from what we once knew.

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Ben Bradley]

On 4 Jun 2004 06:39:13 -0700, (Mike) wrote:

>The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
>sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
>congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
>liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
>Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.
>
>After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
>started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
>essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
>like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
>they are courting money from big corporations.
>
>So any further cutbacks would be the end.

Eliminating federal funding for broadcasting would definitely be
the end of federal funding for public broadcasting (sorry for the
tautology), but since it's already such a low percentage of their
budget, things wouldn't change much. (They might drop Weekend Edition,
or regretably, "From The Top" but I have no doubt they'd keep "Car
Talk.")

But it would certainly NOT be the end of these "they're cutting
funding for Public Broadcasting" chain letters.

In another response in this thread, wrote:

>I guess this is an appropriate time to post this:
>The following has made the rounds recently and is purportedly penned
>by a college instructor with help from his networking class.
>
>Hi Folks. I am sure that some of you who receive this will see that
>some parts of this message apply to you.
>Please do not be insulted, as this is just a general list of rules to
>live by when you are on-line, or sending e-mail.

Years ago I was on a mailing list where chain letters were often
forwarded, and every time, someone would post a similar response text.
It seemed like a waste of bandwidth, so I put the text on my website,
and posted the URL every time I saw a chain letter posted:
http://www.mindspring.com/~benbradley/gulltest.html
Some of the links may be dead, but the idea expressed holds up as well
as ever.
In retrospect, posting the whole text was probably more effective,
since the perpetrators are less likely to go to a website than to read
text right in front of their noses.

>But the current product
>already is far from what we once knew.

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Analogeezer]

(Wayne) wrote in message >...
> >"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
> om...
> >> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> >> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> >> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> >> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> >> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> >> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> >> their services, some government officials believe that the
> >> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> >> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> >> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> >> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> >> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> >> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> >> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> >> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> >> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> >> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
> >
> >
> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.
>
> Wayne

I think they ought to can NPR and replace it with 24 hour a day,
commercial free broadcast of 80's hair metal bands, that would make it
relevant <g>

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

(Wayne) wrote in message >...
> >"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
> om...
> >> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> >> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> >> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> >> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> >> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> >> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> >> their services, some government officials believe that the
> >> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> >> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> >> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> >> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> >> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> >> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> >> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> >> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> >> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> >> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
> >
> >
> PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at all.
>
> Wayne

I think they ought to can NPR and replace it with 24 hour a day,
commercial free broadcast of 80's hair metal bands, that would make it
relevant <g>

Analogeezer

[Paul Stamler]

"Mike" > wrote...

> The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
> sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
> congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
> liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
> Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.
>
> After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
> started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
> essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
> like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
> they are courting money from big corporations.

I hate to be the one to break the news, but NPR and PBS have had those
corporate tag lines (they're called "underwriting" in the trade) since they
began broadcasting. For a while, PBS was known as the "Petroleum
Broadcasting System" because of the prevalence of oil company underwriting
(e.g., Gulf's underwriting of Masterpiece Theatre, which they no longer do).
Annoying and troubling? Yes. But not new.

Peace,
Paul

[Paul Stamler]

"Mike" > wrote...

> The beginning of the end was a long time ago when Newt Gingrich
> sucessfully got spending on these things cut back during his tenure in
> congress. If you recall the republicans at that time were decrying a
> liberal imbalance in funded arts programs and citing such works as
> Maplethorpe? for being vulgar and having no real value.
>
> After those cutbacks public broadcasting, both TV and radio suddenly
> started have corporate tag lines before and after programs. They
> essentially ammount to commercials and they have gotten more and more
> like the traditional broadcast commercials. Obviously this is because
> they are courting money from big corporations.

I hate to be the one to break the news, but NPR and PBS have had those
corporate tag lines (they're called "underwriting" in the trade) since they
began broadcasting. For a while, PBS was known as the "Petroleum
Broadcasting System" because of the prevalence of oil company underwriting
(e.g., Gulf's underwriting of Masterpiece Theatre, which they no longer do).
Annoying and troubling? Yes. But not new.

Peace,
Paul

[Scott Dorsey]

Paul Stamler > wrote:
>
>I hate to be the one to break the news, but NPR and PBS have had those
>corporate tag lines (they're called "underwriting" in the trade) since they
>began broadcasting. For a while, PBS was known as the "Petroleum
>Broadcasting System" because of the prevalence of oil company underwriting
>(e.g., Gulf's underwriting of Masterpiece Theatre, which they no longer do).
>Annoying and troubling? Yes. But not new.

You know, I never thought I would be sad that Texaco was dropping sponsorship
of the Met broadcasts. But here it has finally come, and it's the end of an
era.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Paul Stamler > wrote:
>
>I hate to be the one to break the news, but NPR and PBS have had those
>corporate tag lines (they're called "underwriting" in the trade) since they
>began broadcasting. For a while, PBS was known as the "Petroleum
>Broadcasting System" because of the prevalence of oil company underwriting
>(e.g., Gulf's underwriting of Masterpiece Theatre, which they no longer do).
>Annoying and troubling? Yes. But not new.

You know, I never thought I would be sad that Texaco was dropping sponsorship
of the Met broadcasts. But here it has finally come, and it's the end of an
era.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[dbluefield]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in
om:

> <snip> it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR)...<big snip>

Snopes aside, I keep waiting to see if PBS and NPR will ever actually
fail to provide the quality programing that we all demand, as they
continously claim during there fund raising campaigns. For once I'd like
to see them actually fail to be funded, not that I don't enjoy the
programming..hehe...it's just they keep on saying it.

And between bogus lawn tonics and hollistic health claims, they really
should make their fund-raisers more interesting.

Dave

[dbluefield]

(B.F. Goodrich) wrote in
om:

> <snip> it is in effect the end of
> the National Public Radio (NPR)...<big snip>

Snopes aside, I keep waiting to see if PBS and NPR will ever actually
fail to provide the quality programing that we all demand, as they
continously claim during there fund raising campaigns. For once I'd like
to see them actually fail to be funded, not that I don't enjoy the
programming..hehe...it's just they keep on saying it.

And between bogus lawn tonics and hollistic health claims, they really
should make their fund-raisers more interesting.

Dave

[John Fowler]

Hey there Scott. First off, thanks for your response on another thread
concerning historicl standards of pitch. I should have guessed that
your situation involved a renaiscance or barouque chamber group, as i
am familiar with that. I remember also reading out of the Helmholtz
book years ago, I'll have to check it out again now, at your
suggestion.

I'm familiar with the "200 warhorses" syndrome re classical music and,
unfortunately, it's not just the radio, but symphony orchestras in
many cases, as well. Here's why. The boards of directors for both the
classical music radio stations and the symphony are comprised of
people of great wealth who, unfortunately, know little about music.
They "know" that Mozart was the "best" ever, so, guess what era makes
up 80 % of the playlist at WDAV Davidson college (NC) here? Classical
era music is neat, tidy, and orderly, and that is their notion of what
classical music is "supposed" to be like. Play some Charles Ives and
they say, in 'valley-girl' tone, "ewwwwwwwwww, whats thaaaaaaaaaat?".
The other 20% of the playlist are the warhorses from other eras. Bless
their souls, that is 'outre' or 'getting wacky!' for them.

In Atlanta, Joel Levy got run out of town by this crowd. The title of
"musical director/conductor" is slowly becoming merely titular,
regarding the fist part, as these boards are insidiously arrogating
the 'musical direction' part to themselves.

Back to radio. These do-gooders consider that they are doing a civic
duty in sustaining music that otherwise could fall by the wayside and,
unfotunately, that is at least partially true. On the other hand, how
much good are they actually doing for the longterm viability of
classical music when nothing gets played now that would interest a
young person? When i was a teenager, i listened to Deep Purple, Jethro
Tull, Alice Cooper, Fairport Convention, Led Zep, Elton John, Yes, the
good, bad, ugly, cheap, 'progressive', and all points inbetween. There
was no brow high or low enough for me. It was in this spirit that i
would tune in the classical music station on a semi-regular basis.
Though a particular era got more playlist for a couple or three months
at a time, i regularly heard music from all eras then. And this slowly
changing emphasis was great, because it allowed me to "grok" what that
era of music was about. It takes awhile for the 'sensibilities' of a
particular style of music to settle in before you 'understand' it.

What do kids have nowadays?, Well, an appropriate motto for my local
station could easily be; "All Motzart! All The Time!". *heavy sigh,
.........*. How do we expext the venturesome kids of today to listen to
_that_ for any length of time? or want to tune it in again?

When i was a kid, in the 'get-stoned-listen-to-music' sessions at my
house, i'd sometimes put on some classical record (i actually
purchased one or two a year, after buying all that other stuff, and
there was my mom's colletion). Sometimes i'd get an "eww, yuk, what's
thaaat?" reaction. (those are the ones on the boards of directors of
symphony and classical music radio stations now), but other times i'd
get an *interested* "what's that?" reaction. I'd say "it's Bach! ya
gotta hear this!" It might be one movement of a Brandenburg or a
Violin Concerto in E Major, and i'd say, "no! listen! this is 'rock
and roll' in 1705 or 1715! isn't it? listen!".
I'd jump up and down, get all excited, and a few would say "yeah!
you're right! it IS rock and roll! that's neat!", etc. Or, the Toccata
and Fugue in D Minor, and i'd say, "hey! listen! this is like "Inna
Godda Dovina", but a hundred times better!"
For those that enjoyed the experience, they'd look all 'spaced out',
as we used to say, afterwards, and say "no, it's 1,000 times better,
.........". I loved introducing people to these things, and one or two
would ask how i knew about all this. Back then, there was a radio
station i could point them to.

So then, no good news here for classical music, either radio or the
local symphony, but good news elswise re the radio. WNCW from
Isothermal College in Spindale NC spins a polyglot playlist of most
all contemporary music, other than classical.
Bands-you-never-heard-of, to Radiohead, to some bluegrass version of
Prince's "Raspberry Beret" (honest), to
another-band-you-never-heard-of, to Tori Amos, to, .......; it's like
that all week.
But the fun part is weekends, where it's primarily folk, bluegrass,
gospel, old blues, 'traditional', etc. Huge collection of archived
78's. All the Jimmy Rogers you'd ever want. <lol>

However, what's *really* nice is that they have live bands, in the
studio, broadcasting live! THIS is what radio is about, folks! "Radio
Hour" at it's finest. Interveiw and congenial chat, before, inbetween
songs, and a nice plug for their concerts that week.

I used to be able to hear live broadcasts of symphony concerts in
years past. The sound quality of a live radio broadcast, even with
mediocre gear on both ends, exceeds that of even 'direct to disc' or
Mercury 'living presence' records. My folks lived near Chicago some
years ago. and i got to hear WFMT, one of the best sound quality FM
stations in the country. My Cassette tape recording of a couple of
their live broadcasts resides alongside the aforementioned records as
a 'reference' for me ( I hauled my Tandberg up there on one visit,
just for the purpose).

Oh well, i realize that the instigating question was bogus, but i'll
say that if i had to choose between television or radio, (yeah, i know
it was 'PBS or NPR') my TV would be in the trash bin right now. It's
comming close to that anyway.

Live radio beats even "Austin City Limits" or "Soundstage" any day of
the week.

JF

[John Fowler]

Hey there Scott. First off, thanks for your response on another thread
concerning historicl standards of pitch. I should have guessed that
your situation involved a renaiscance or barouque chamber group, as i
am familiar with that. I remember also reading out of the Helmholtz
book years ago, I'll have to check it out again now, at your
suggestion.

I'm familiar with the "200 warhorses" syndrome re classical music and,
unfortunately, it's not just the radio, but symphony orchestras in
many cases, as well. Here's why. The boards of directors for both the
classical music radio stations and the symphony are comprised of
people of great wealth who, unfortunately, know little about music.
They "know" that Mozart was the "best" ever, so, guess what era makes
up 80 % of the playlist at WDAV Davidson college (NC) here? Classical
era music is neat, tidy, and orderly, and that is their notion of what
classical music is "supposed" to be like. Play some Charles Ives and
they say, in 'valley-girl' tone, "ewwwwwwwwww, whats thaaaaaaaaaat?".
The other 20% of the playlist are the warhorses from other eras. Bless
their souls, that is 'outre' or 'getting wacky!' for them.

In Atlanta, Joel Levy got run out of town by this crowd. The title of
"musical director/conductor" is slowly becoming merely titular,
regarding the fist part, as these boards are insidiously arrogating
the 'musical direction' part to themselves.

Back to radio. These do-gooders consider that they are doing a civic
duty in sustaining music that otherwise could fall by the wayside and,
unfotunately, that is at least partially true. On the other hand, how
much good are they actually doing for the longterm viability of
classical music when nothing gets played now that would interest a
young person? When i was a teenager, i listened to Deep Purple, Jethro
Tull, Alice Cooper, Fairport Convention, Led Zep, Elton John, Yes, the
good, bad, ugly, cheap, 'progressive', and all points inbetween. There
was no brow high or low enough for me. It was in this spirit that i
would tune in the classical music station on a semi-regular basis.
Though a particular era got more playlist for a couple or three months
at a time, i regularly heard music from all eras then. And this slowly
changing emphasis was great, because it allowed me to "grok" what that
era of music was about. It takes awhile for the 'sensibilities' of a
particular style of music to settle in before you 'understand' it.

What do kids have nowadays?, Well, an appropriate motto for my local
station could easily be; "All Motzart! All The Time!". *heavy sigh,
.........*. How do we expext the venturesome kids of today to listen to
_that_ for any length of time? or want to tune it in again?

When i was a kid, in the 'get-stoned-listen-to-music' sessions at my
house, i'd sometimes put on some classical record (i actually
purchased one or two a year, after buying all that other stuff, and
there was my mom's colletion). Sometimes i'd get an "eww, yuk, what's
thaaat?" reaction. (those are the ones on the boards of directors of
symphony and classical music radio stations now), but other times i'd
get an *interested* "what's that?" reaction. I'd say "it's Bach! ya
gotta hear this!" It might be one movement of a Brandenburg or a
Violin Concerto in E Major, and i'd say, "no! listen! this is 'rock
and roll' in 1705 or 1715! isn't it? listen!".
I'd jump up and down, get all excited, and a few would say "yeah!
you're right! it IS rock and roll! that's neat!", etc. Or, the Toccata
and Fugue in D Minor, and i'd say, "hey! listen! this is like "Inna
Godda Dovina", but a hundred times better!"
For those that enjoyed the experience, they'd look all 'spaced out',
as we used to say, afterwards, and say "no, it's 1,000 times better,
.........". I loved introducing people to these things, and one or two
would ask how i knew about all this. Back then, there was a radio
station i could point them to.

So then, no good news here for classical music, either radio or the
local symphony, but good news elswise re the radio. WNCW from
Isothermal College in Spindale NC spins a polyglot playlist of most
all contemporary music, other than classical.
Bands-you-never-heard-of, to Radiohead, to some bluegrass version of
Prince's "Raspberry Beret" (honest), to
another-band-you-never-heard-of, to Tori Amos, to, .......; it's like
that all week.
But the fun part is weekends, where it's primarily folk, bluegrass,
gospel, old blues, 'traditional', etc. Huge collection of archived
78's. All the Jimmy Rogers you'd ever want. <lol>

However, what's *really* nice is that they have live bands, in the
studio, broadcasting live! THIS is what radio is about, folks! "Radio
Hour" at it's finest. Interveiw and congenial chat, before, inbetween
songs, and a nice plug for their concerts that week.

I used to be able to hear live broadcasts of symphony concerts in
years past. The sound quality of a live radio broadcast, even with
mediocre gear on both ends, exceeds that of even 'direct to disc' or
Mercury 'living presence' records. My folks lived near Chicago some
years ago. and i got to hear WFMT, one of the best sound quality FM
stations in the country. My Cassette tape recording of a couple of
their live broadcasts resides alongside the aforementioned records as
a 'reference' for me ( I hauled my Tandberg up there on one visit,
just for the purpose).

Oh well, i realize that the instigating question was bogus, but i'll
say that if i had to choose between television or radio, (yeah, i know
it was 'PBS or NPR') my TV would be in the trash bin right now. It's
comming close to that anyway.

Live radio beats even "Austin City Limits" or "Soundstage" any day of
the week.

JF

[xy]

i would think internet radio would be the best new frontier of
diversity. not sure of the technology/staffing/funding/legal
particulars. but the basic idea is enticing. if we have billions of
web-pages, whe should have thousands of radio stations on the
internet.

you could get really specialized that way, or completely eclectic. i
would think the economies and politics of not having to pay for a
high-wattage transmitter and not having to fight to get one of the
available am/fm frequency bands would be a huge plus. but maybe
having thousands of people all dialing into the internet site would
create a huge/expensive throughput situation for the content provider.

[xy]

i would think internet radio would be the best new frontier of
diversity. not sure of the technology/staffing/funding/legal
particulars. but the basic idea is enticing. if we have billions of
web-pages, whe should have thousands of radio stations on the
internet.

you could get really specialized that way, or completely eclectic. i
would think the economies and politics of not having to pay for a
high-wattage transmitter and not having to fight to get one of the
available am/fm frequency bands would be a huge plus. but maybe
having thousands of people all dialing into the internet site would
create a huge/expensive throughput situation for the content provider.

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> i would think internet radio would be the best new frontier of
> diversity. not sure of the technology/staffing/funding/legal
> particulars. but the basic idea is enticing.

The problem is that nobody's figured out how to make money that way. A
broadcast station that also streams their programming on the Internet
manages to support itself from the broadcast. While they appeal to
the on-line listeners for donations, the percentage of on-line
listeners who contribute (and this is something they actually CAN
count) is miniscule.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> i would think internet radio would be the best new frontier of
> diversity. not sure of the technology/staffing/funding/legal
> particulars. but the basic idea is enticing.

The problem is that nobody's figured out how to make money that way. A
broadcast station that also streams their programming on the Internet
manages to support itself from the broadcast. While they appeal to
the on-line listeners for donations, the percentage of on-line
listeners who contribute (and this is something they actually CAN
count) is miniscule.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Animix]

Yeah..........**** Mozart..........let's hear some more Poison.........and
Sam Kinison reruns.

;o)

"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
m...
> (Wayne) wrote in message
>...
> > >"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> > >> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> > >> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> > >> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> > >> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> > >> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> > >> their services, some government officials believe that the
> > >> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> > >> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> > >> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> > >> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> > >> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> > >> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> > >> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> > >> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> > >> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> > >> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
> > >
> > >
> > PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at
all.
> >
> > Wayne
>
> I think they ought to can NPR and replace it with 24 hour a day,
> commercial free broadcast of 80's hair metal bands, that would make it
> relevant <g>
>
> Analogeezer

[Animix]

Yeah..........**** Mozart..........let's hear some more Poison.........and
Sam Kinison reruns.

;o)

"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
m...
> (Wayne) wrote in message
>...
> > >"B.F. Goodrich" > wrote in message
> > om...
> > >> On NPR's Morning Edition last week, Nina Tottenberg said that if
> > >> the Supreme Court supports Congress, it is in effect the end of
> > >> the National Public Radio (NPR), National Endowment for the Arts
> > >> (NEA) & the Public Broadcasting System (PBS). PBS, NPR and the
> > >> arts are facing major cutbacks in funding. In spite of the
> > >> efforts of each station to reduce spending costs and streamline
> > >> their services, some government officials believe that the
> > >> funding currently going to these programs is too large a portion
> > >> of funding for something which is seen as not worthwhile. The
> > >> only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of
> > >> support for PBS and funding for these types of programs is by
> > >> making our voices heard. Please add your name to this list and
> > >> forward it to friends who believe in what this stands for. This
> > >> list will be forwarded to the President and the Vice President
> > >> of the United States. This petition is being passed around the
> > >> Internet. Please add your name to it so that funding can be
> > >> maintained for NPR, PBS, & the NEA. HOW TO SIGN & FORWARD:
> > >
> > >
> > PBS is worth keeping. The demise of the other two would not upset me at
all.
> >
> > Wayne
>
> I think they ought to can NPR and replace it with 24 hour a day,
> commercial free broadcast of 80's hair metal bands, that would make it
> relevant <g>
>
> Analogeezer

[Scott Dorsey]

Chris! > wrote:
>"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...> What makes up for this is some of the
>fine local programming, and it's in
>> almost all markets large and small. Yes, there are folks on local
>stations
>> who play Janacek operas still. As long as this is the case, I'll keep
>> sending them a donation.
>
>In this market--the same as Scott's--there was a wonderful commercial
>classical station, WGH-FM. It was #13 just before the owners flipped it to
>rock. We get 40-some FM signals here and you would think that one of the
>low-rated stations would want to get up to #13 by programming classical...

I have the happy luck to be located directly between two markets. I can get
the NPR affiliate in Richmond, as well as the two in Norfolk, in my car.

At home, I can swing the beam around and catch those three, plus one on
the Eastern Shore, and occasionally two in DC. I can usually get the
Pacifica affiliate in DC and the Norfolk State college station (which is
an NPR affiliate but only runs limited NPR programming) and sometimes
a college station in North Carolina.

What worries me is that a lot of these are now having the edges of their
contours chopped away by huge numbers of Christian station translators
all over the area. The noncomm section of the band is just getting packed
by Christian translators, to the point where the William and Mary station
is really hardly audible outside of Williamsburg because they are packed
in by three on-channel translators so any direction gets interference.
Also, their good reggae DJ graduated and left.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[S O'Neill]

Scott Dorsey wrote:


> What worries me is that a lot of these are now having the edges of their
> contours chopped away by huge numbers of Christian station translators
> all over the area. The noncomm section of the band is just getting packed
> by Christian translators, to the point where the William and Mary station
> is really hardly audible outside of Williamsburg because they are packed
> in by three on-channel translators so any direction gets interference.


The original Pacifica station, KPFA in Berkeley, CA, no longer reaches
Sacramento because Fox moved in a couple of years ago. When I protested
to KPFA's engineer he said their FCC map didn't go that far.

[Scott Dorsey]

S O'Neill > wrote:
>Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> What worries me is that a lot of these are now having the edges of their
>> contours chopped away by huge numbers of Christian station translators
>> all over the area. The noncomm section of the band is just getting packed
>> by Christian translators, to the point where the William and Mary station
>> is really hardly audible outside of Williamsburg because they are packed
>> in by three on-channel translators so any direction gets interference.
>
>The original Pacifica station, KPFA in Berkeley, CA, no longer reaches
>Sacramento because Fox moved in a couple of years ago. When I protested
>to KPFA's engineer he said their FCC map didn't go that far.

Yup. And nobody even does real proof of performance measurements any more,
so most of what you see on the map comes from a computer simulation of
somewhat doubtful accuracy anyway.

It's lots of fun to do real contours and compare with the simulated ones.
It's even more fun for AM around here because the ground conductivity is
so uneven.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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On 2004-06-03 said:
>This seems to come around every few years, maybe even every
>presidential election cycle.
Yah and it's always the same text, Nina TOtenberg said it just the
other day, on and on, yawn.


I guess this is an appropriate time to post this:
The following has made the rounds recently and is purportedly penned
by a college instructor with help from his networking class.

Hi Folks. I am sure that some of you who receive this will see that
some parts of this message apply to you.
Please do not be insulted, as this is just a general list of rules to
live by when you are on-line, or sending e-mail.

1. Big companies don't do business via chain letter. Bill Gates is not
giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There
is no baby food company issuing class-action checks. MTV will not give
you backstage passes if you forward something to the most people. You
can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's true."
Furthermore, just because someone said in the message, four generations
back, that "we checked it out and it's legit," does not actually make it
true.

2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in
a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened to their
cousin. If you are hell-bent on believing the kidney-theft ring
stories, please visit:
http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aaO62997.htm
"http://urbanlegends. tqn.com/library/weekly/aaO62997"
The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests for actual
victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories. None
have. That's "none" as in "zero." Not even your friend's cousin.

3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe.
And even if they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get
a copy at http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html Then, if you make the
recipe, and decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free to pass the
recipe on.



4. If the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went
to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this
information would reach the public via an AOL chain-letter?

5. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever,
ever forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first
confirm that an actual site of an actual company that actually deals
with viruses. Try looking at:
http://www.norton.com/"http://www.norton.com" And even then, don't
forward it. We don't care. And you cannot get a virus from a flashing
IM or email, you have to download.... ya know, like, a FILE!

6. If your cc: list is regularly longer than the actual content of your
message, you're probably going to Hell.

7. If you're using Outlook, EE, or Netscape to write e-mail, turn off
the "HTML encoding," Those of us on Unixshell can't read it, and don't care
enough to save the attachment and then view it with a web browser, since
you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe
anyway.


8. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message
from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of
headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months.
It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the " >" that begin each line.
Besides, if it has gone around that many times we've probably already
seen it.

9. Craig Shergold (or Sherwood, or Sherman, etc.) in England is not
dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to
stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is also no longer
a "little boy" either.

10. The "Make a Wish" foundation is a real organization doing fine work,
but they have had to establish a special toll free hot line in response
to the large number of Internet hoaxes using their good name and
reputation. It is distracting them from the important work they do.

11. If you are one of those people who forwards anything that promises
"something bad will happen if you don't," then something bad will happen
to you if I ever meet you in a dark alley. This includes prayers for
"good luck" as the Bible is not a luck book.

12. Women really are suffering in Afghanistan, and PBS and NEA funding
are still vulnerable to attack (although not at the present time) but
forwarding an e-mail won't help either cause in the least. If you want
to help, contact your local legislative representative, or get in touch
with Amnesty International or the Red Cross. As a general rule, e-mail
"signatures" are easily faked and mean nothing to anyone with any power
to do anything about whatever the competition is complaining about.

13. There is no bill pending before Congress that will allow long
distance companies to charge you for long distance when using the
Internet.)

Bottom Line ... composing e-mail or posting something on the Net is as
easy as writing on the walls of a public restroom. Don't automatically
believe it until it's proven false... ASSUME it's false, unless there is
proof that it's true. Got it? Good. Besides, I am sure your friends
would rather read a few lines about how you are and what you are doing
than just forwarded jokes all the time!

Now, forward this message to ten friends and you will win the
Publishers' Clearing House sweepstakes... NOT!


--
Regards,






Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

--

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On 2004-06-03 said:
>This seems to come around every few years, maybe even every
>presidential election cycle.
Yah and it's always the same text, Nina TOtenberg said it just the
other day, on and on, yawn.


I guess this is an appropriate time to post this:
The following has made the rounds recently and is purportedly penned
by a college instructor with help from his networking class.

Hi Folks. I am sure that some of you who receive this will see that
some parts of this message apply to you.
Please do not be insulted, as this is just a general list of rules to
live by when you are on-line, or sending e-mail.

1. Big companies don't do business via chain letter. Bill Gates is not
giving you $1000, and Disney is not giving you a free vacation. There
is no baby food company issuing class-action checks. MTV will not give
you backstage passes if you forward something to the most people. You
can relax; there is no need to pass it on "just in case it's true."
Furthermore, just because someone said in the message, four generations
back, that "we checked it out and it's legit," does not actually make it
true.

2. There is no kidney theft ring in New Orleans. No one is waking up in
a bathtub full of ice, even if a friend of a friend swears it happened to their
cousin. If you are hell-bent on believing the kidney-theft ring
stories, please visit:
http://urbanlegends.tqn.com/library/weekly/aaO62997.htm
"http://urbanlegends. tqn.com/library/weekly/aaO62997"
The National Kidney Foundation has repeatedly issued requests for actual
victims of organ thieves to come forward and tell their stories. None
have. That's "none" as in "zero." Not even your friend's cousin.

3. Neiman Marcus doesn't really sell a $200 cookie recipe.
And even if they do, we all have it. And even if you don't, you can get
a copy at http://www.bl.net/forwards/cookie.html Then, if you make the
recipe, and decide the cookies are that awesome, feel free to pass the
recipe on.



4. If the latest NASA rocket disaster(s) DID contain plutonium that went
to particulate over the eastern seaboard, do you REALLY think this
information would reach the public via an AOL chain-letter?

5. There is no "Good Times" virus. In fact, you should never, ever,
ever forward any email containing any virus warning unless you first
confirm that an actual site of an actual company that actually deals
with viruses. Try looking at:
http://www.norton.com/"http://www.norton.com" And even then, don't
forward it. We don't care. And you cannot get a virus from a flashing
IM or email, you have to download.... ya know, like, a FILE!

6. If your cc: list is regularly longer than the actual content of your
message, you're probably going to Hell.

7. If you're using Outlook, EE, or Netscape to write e-mail, turn off
the "HTML encoding," Those of us on Unixshell can't read it, and don't care
enough to save the attachment and then view it with a web browser, since
you're probably forwarding us a copy of the Neiman Marcus Cookie Recipe
anyway.


8. If you still absolutely MUST forward that 10th-generation message
from a friend, at least have the decency to trim the eight miles of
headers showing everyone else who's received it over the last 6 months.
It sure wouldn't hurt to get rid of all the " >" that begin each line.
Besides, if it has gone around that many times we've probably already
seen it.

9. Craig Shergold (or Sherwood, or Sherman, etc.) in England is not
dying of cancer or anything else at this time and would like everyone to
stop sending him their business cards. He apparently is also no longer
a "little boy" either.

10. The "Make a Wish" foundation is a real organization doing fine work,
but they have had to establish a special toll free hot line in response
to the large number of Internet hoaxes using their good name and
reputation. It is distracting them from the important work they do.

11. If you are one of those people who forwards anything that promises
"something bad will happen if you don't," then something bad will happen
to you if I ever meet you in a dark alley. This includes prayers for
"good luck" as the Bible is not a luck book.

12. Women really are suffering in Afghanistan, and PBS and NEA funding
are still vulnerable to attack (although not at the present time) but
forwarding an e-mail won't help either cause in the least. If you want
to help, contact your local legislative representative, or get in touch
with Amnesty International or the Red Cross. As a general rule, e-mail
"signatures" are easily faked and mean nothing to anyone with any power
to do anything about whatever the competition is complaining about.

13. There is no bill pending before Congress that will allow long
distance companies to charge you for long distance when using the
Internet.)

Bottom Line ... composing e-mail or posting something on the Net is as
easy as writing on the walls of a public restroom. Don't automatically
believe it until it's proven false... ASSUME it's false, unless there is
proof that it's true. Got it? Good. Besides, I am sure your friends
would rather read a few lines about how you are and what you are doing
than just forwarded jokes all the time!

Now, forward this message to ten friends and you will win the
Publishers' Clearing House sweepstakes... NOT!


--
Regards,






Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

--