AKG C1000S condenser mikes- how do they compare to good Shure's or Neumann's

[Bubba]

I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
neighborhood

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>, Bubba > wrote:
>I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
>recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
>cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
>digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
>great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
>neighborhood

They are among the worst sounding microphones I have ever heard. If you
are looking for AKG products, try the AKG C535A, which is in about the same
price range and is a far-better sounding microphone.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>, Bubba > wrote:
>I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
>recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
>cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
>digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
>great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
>neighborhood

They are among the worst sounding microphones I have ever heard. If you
are looking for AKG products, try the AKG C535A, which is in about the same
price range and is a far-better sounding microphone.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Tulley]

On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:22:24 -0700, "Bubba" > wrote:

>I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
>recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
>cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
>digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
>great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
>neighborhood
>
In general, I like AKG microphones ... except for the C1000.

But you've got the right idea. If I could have only two microphones
for tracking instruments, they would be a pair of small-diaphragm
condensers. Here are a few of my favourite inexpensive small-diaphragm
condenser mics:

AT4041
Rode NT5
AKC C535
Oktava MC012
AT3031
Marshall MXL603s

The C535 is also a good vocal mic.
Shure SM57 and the Sennheiser e609 are useful on both guitar cabs &
drums.

A mic for a kick drum is a whole 'nother discussion. Do you know how
to search usenet archives? There's lots of material on this topic.

Mike T.

[Mike Tulley]

On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:22:24 -0700, "Bubba" > wrote:

>I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
>recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
>cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
>digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
>great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
>neighborhood
>
In general, I like AKG microphones ... except for the C1000.

But you've got the right idea. If I could have only two microphones
for tracking instruments, they would be a pair of small-diaphragm
condensers. Here are a few of my favourite inexpensive small-diaphragm
condenser mics:

AT4041
Rode NT5
AKC C535
Oktava MC012
AT3031
Marshall MXL603s

The C535 is also a good vocal mic.
Shure SM57 and the Sennheiser e609 are useful on both guitar cabs &
drums.

A mic for a kick drum is a whole 'nother discussion. Do you know how
to search usenet archives? There's lots of material on this topic.

Mike T.

[Logan Shaw]

Bubba wrote:

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

My church has a few of them. They may be better than an SM57 for a
drum overhead, but overall I really don't like them. I even prefer
using an omni lav mic meant for vocals rather than the C1000.

In my opinion, the main problem with the C1000 is that that it's
just got too much of a peak from 3000Hz up to 10000Hz or so. I
feel like if I could EQ that away, it would sound decent, but
the EQ to do is beyond the capabilities of the console I'm using,
and if I were going to get a special EQ for it, why not just get
a better mic instead? :-)

- Logan

[Logan Shaw]

Bubba wrote:

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

My church has a few of them. They may be better than an SM57 for a
drum overhead, but overall I really don't like them. I even prefer
using an omni lav mic meant for vocals rather than the C1000.

In my opinion, the main problem with the C1000 is that that it's
just got too much of a peak from 3000Hz up to 10000Hz or so. I
feel like if I could EQ that away, it would sound decent, but
the EQ to do is beyond the capabilities of the console I'm using,
and if I were going to get a special EQ for it, why not just get
a better mic instead? :-)

- Logan

[emil SonarScope]

i have some good result for with
Vacuum tube(valve) microphone
300-400 euros
Valve Model: 12AX7
sm mc03
sm pro audio

http://www.smproaudio.com/mc03.htm

Regards

emil
http://www.sonarscope.com

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> In article <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>, Bubba > wrote:
> >I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> >recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> >cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using
Tascam
> >digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> >great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> >neighborhood
>
> They are among the worst sounding microphones I have ever heard. If you
> are looking for AKG products, try the AKG C535A, which is in about the
same
> price range and is a far-better sounding microphone.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[emil SonarScope]

i have some good result for with
Vacuum tube(valve) microphone
300-400 euros
Valve Model: 12AX7
sm mc03
sm pro audio

http://www.smproaudio.com/mc03.htm

Regards

emil
http://www.sonarscope.com

"Scott Dorsey" > wrote in message
...
> In article <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>, Bubba > wrote:
> >I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> >recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> >cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using
Tascam
> >digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> >great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> >neighborhood
>
> They are among the worst sounding microphones I have ever heard. If you
> are looking for AKG products, try the AKG C535A, which is in about the
same
> price range and is a far-better sounding microphone.
> --scott
> --
> "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Martin Quinn]

I have one and have tried vocals with it. Not bad, pretty edgy and doesn't
capture detail well and once you put it beside a Neuman U87 or better vocal
mikes you immediately see what your missing.. Probably a lot better than an
SM58 for a lot of vocal applications. For bang for the buck though I'd
suggest looking at the current crop of Chinese mics. In particular the ones
from SE. On the American side I hear some of the CAD mics sound great for
the money. I have a Soundelux U195 which is amazing but they are out of the
price range you stated at around $1200.A secondhand Neuman TLM103 may be a
good choice for you if vocals are a main concern. Theres always loads of
them on Ebay

My 10cents

Martin

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood
>
>

[Martin Quinn]

I have one and have tried vocals with it. Not bad, pretty edgy and doesn't
capture detail well and once you put it beside a Neuman U87 or better vocal
mikes you immediately see what your missing.. Probably a lot better than an
SM58 for a lot of vocal applications. For bang for the buck though I'd
suggest looking at the current crop of Chinese mics. In particular the ones
from SE. On the American side I hear some of the CAD mics sound great for
the money. I have a Soundelux U195 which is amazing but they are out of the
price range you stated at around $1200.A secondhand Neuman TLM103 may be a
good choice for you if vocals are a main concern. Theres always loads of
them on Ebay

My 10cents

Martin

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood
>
>

[hank alrich]

Bubba wrote:

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording.

Just say NO!! to the C1000.

> Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

Look in the RAP acrhives at Google's Advanced Group Search, and you will
have reading for weeks. Your question is a frequent one here

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en


--
ha

[hank alrich]

Bubba wrote:

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording.

Just say NO!! to the C1000.

> Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

Look in the RAP acrhives at Google's Advanced Group Search, and you will
have reading for weeks. Your question is a frequent one here

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en


--
ha

[Michael R. Kesti]

Well, Bubba, by now you should have realized that you have asked about the
mic that many here love to hate. At least you, unlike so many, got the
model designation correct.

--
================================================== ======================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
| - The Who, Bargain

[Michael R. Kesti]

Well, Bubba, by now you should have realized that you have asked about the
mic that many here love to hate. At least you, unlike so many, got the
model designation correct.

--
================================================== ======================
Michael Kesti | "And like, one and one don't make
| two, one and one make one."
| - The Who, Bargain

[Geoff Wood]

Michael R. Kesti wrote:
> Well, Bubba, by now you should have realized that you have asked
> about the mic that many here love to hate. At least you, unlike so
> many, got the model designation correct.

For a good vocal mic that you can use equally in the studio as live, along
with the AKG C535, the new RODE S1 which I found pretty amazing, especially
considering it's price.

I tried the S1 against an SM58, C900, C5900, D3800M, and it had similar
response to the codenser AKGs, but 'smoother' Also markedly less pronounced
proximity effect, handling noise, and popability that all the other mics.

I would like to run it against a KSM-105 but don't have access.

Back to the original question. Bubba grouped "Shure mics" into one basket,
presumably meaning SM58. Shure make many other mics, both stage and studio,
that are far superior to the SM58.....

I long ago flicked my pair of C1000s for a Soundroom MC-012as, but I've
never considered using them for vox.


geoff

[Geoff Wood]

Michael R. Kesti wrote:
> Well, Bubba, by now you should have realized that you have asked
> about the mic that many here love to hate. At least you, unlike so
> many, got the model designation correct.

For a good vocal mic that you can use equally in the studio as live, along
with the AKG C535, the new RODE S1 which I found pretty amazing, especially
considering it's price.

I tried the S1 against an SM58, C900, C5900, D3800M, and it had similar
response to the codenser AKGs, but 'smoother' Also markedly less pronounced
proximity effect, handling noise, and popability that all the other mics.

I would like to run it against a KSM-105 but don't have access.

Back to the original question. Bubba grouped "Shure mics" into one basket,
presumably meaning SM58. Shure make many other mics, both stage and studio,
that are far superior to the SM58.....

I long ago flicked my pair of C1000s for a Soundroom MC-012as, but I've
never considered using them for vox.


geoff

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

I tried one when they first came out and it was about the worst mic I've
ever used. But someone sent me an acapella track (all one person) a while
back done with an C1000 that was incredible. Definitely try one but
definitely try others too.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

I tried one when they first came out and it was about the worst mic I've
ever used. But someone sent me an acapella track (all one person) a while
back done with an C1000 that was incredible. Definitely try one but
definitely try others too.

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 30 May 2004 15:22:24 -0400, Bubba wrote
(in message <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>):

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

No

AE5400

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Ty Ford]

On Sun, 30 May 2004 15:22:24 -0400, Bubba wrote
(in message <Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01>):

> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood

No

AE5400

Regards,

Ty Ford

[Bubba]

Thanks for responses. I'm gonna end up getting the Shure ksm27 and probably
(unless i hear negatives) the AudioTechnica 3031, both together seem like
they'll give me the versatility of all instrument and voice applications.

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood
>
>

[Bubba]

Thanks for responses. I'm gonna end up getting the Shure ksm27 and probably
(unless i hear negatives) the AudioTechnica 3031, both together seem like
they'll give me the versatility of all instrument and voice applications.

"Bubba" > wrote in message news:Uvquc.26592$zN5.9047@fed1read01...
> I'm kind of tired of using regular Shure vocal mikes for my studio
> recording, would like to pick up some condenser mikes for drums, guitar
> cabs, and vocals for semi-live/demo style recordings. I'll be using Tascam
> digital 788 8 track. Wondering if AKG C1000s are decent enough to get a
> great recording. Or what could someone suggest in the $200-500 retail
> neighborhood
>
>

[knud]

>Oktava MC012
>Marshall MXL603s

Ditto here. I've used both of the above extensively and they are far
superior to the C1000.


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[knud]

>Oktava MC012
>Marshall MXL603s

Ditto here. I've used both of the above extensively and they are far
superior to the C1000.


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!