1RU rack case - does it exist?

[hollywood_steve]

I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel.
But I swear that I've seen examples over the years. I want to mount a
UPS in the case and the rack ears on the UPS were definitely an
afterthought; as in "Hey, lets throw in some rack ears and then all
them recording and video techs will want one." There is no way that I
would trust the heavy weight (think batteries, lots of batteries) of
the unit to the toy rack ears they included. But if I could find a
1RU case, then the rack ears would have little to do other than keep
the UPS from sliding out the front of the case. It would be supported
by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.

(and I dan't imagine that I'd want to locate a mic preamp right next
to a UPS in my travelling rig. The idea of a UPS in its own case just
makes sense to me.)

Any suggestions?

Thanks.

[ScotFraser]

<< I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>

They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.

<<Any suggestions?>>

You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>

They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.

<<Any suggestions?>>

You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.


Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>

They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.

<<Any suggestions?>>

You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.


Scott Fraser

[Marc Wielage]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:14:16 -0700, hollywood_steve wrote:

> It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

There's still a little airspace above and below the unit, even when you have
a 1RU case. The unit doesn't actually touch the flat top or bottom of the
case -- and I'm not sure you'd want to, anyway, because you need at least a
little ventilation, especially for a power supply like a UPS.

If you're mounting something as heavy as a UPS, then I'd suggest making some
little legs out of dowel rods or something just to support it at the very
bottom. I did this for a very heavy swappable-SCSI drive system in my rack
case, also out of concern that the rack ears were having to support a ton of
weight.

--MFW

[Marc Wielage]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:14:16 -0700, hollywood_steve wrote:

> It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

There's still a little airspace above and below the unit, even when you have
a 1RU case. The unit doesn't actually touch the flat top or bottom of the
case -- and I'm not sure you'd want to, anyway, because you need at least a
little ventilation, especially for a power supply like a UPS.

If you're mounting something as heavy as a UPS, then I'd suggest making some
little legs out of dowel rods or something just to support it at the very
bottom. I did this for a very heavy swappable-SCSI drive system in my rack
case, also out of concern that the rack ears were having to support a ton of
weight.

--MFW

[Marc Wielage]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:14:16 -0700, hollywood_steve wrote:

> It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

There's still a little airspace above and below the unit, even when you have
a 1RU case. The unit doesn't actually touch the flat top or bottom of the
case -- and I'm not sure you'd want to, anyway, because you need at least a
little ventilation, especially for a power supply like a UPS.

If you're mounting something as heavy as a UPS, then I'd suggest making some
little legs out of dowel rods or something just to support it at the very
bottom. I did this for a very heavy swappable-SCSI drive system in my rack
case, also out of concern that the rack ears were having to support a ton of
weight.

--MFW

[Carey Carlan]

(hollywood_steve) wrote in
om:

> Any suggestions?

Have you considered mounting the UPS on a rack shelf? It would sit out
from the rack by the thickness of the shelf ears and up by the thickness of
the shelf, but leaving a partial slot above would be good for something
that generates as much heat as a UPS.

Optionally, if you got the right shelf and the right rack, you could attach
the rear of the shelf to the rear rails of the rack.

[Carey Carlan]

(hollywood_steve) wrote in
om:

> Any suggestions?

Have you considered mounting the UPS on a rack shelf? It would sit out
from the rack by the thickness of the shelf ears and up by the thickness of
the shelf, but leaving a partial slot above would be good for something
that generates as much heat as a UPS.

Optionally, if you got the right shelf and the right rack, you could attach
the rear of the shelf to the rear rails of the rack.

[Carey Carlan]

(hollywood_steve) wrote in
om:

> Any suggestions?

Have you considered mounting the UPS on a rack shelf? It would sit out
from the rack by the thickness of the shelf ears and up by the thickness of
the shelf, but leaving a partial slot above would be good for something
that generates as much heat as a UPS.

Optionally, if you got the right shelf and the right rack, you could attach
the rear of the shelf to the rear rails of the rack.

[hollywood_steve]

> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser


Thanks Scott, I've had Jan-Al build me a custom case, too. Nice work
and solid as a rock.
That's always my fallback, but I was hoping for a quick off-the-rack
solution. I don't like the idea of spending lots of money or lots of
time getting a custom case built for a damn battery. But I just
filled out their online quote request form.....

steve

[hollywood_steve]

> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser


Thanks Scott, I've had Jan-Al build me a custom case, too. Nice work
and solid as a rock.
That's always my fallback, but I was hoping for a quick off-the-rack
solution. I don't like the idea of spending lots of money or lots of
time getting a custom case built for a damn battery. But I just
filled out their online quote request form.....

steve

[hollywood_steve]

> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser


Thanks Scott, I've had Jan-Al build me a custom case, too. Nice work
and solid as a rock.
That's always my fallback, but I was hoping for a quick off-the-rack
solution. I don't like the idea of spending lots of money or lots of
time getting a custom case built for a damn battery. But I just
filled out their online quote request form.....

steve

[Benjamin Maas]

Custom made from Encore cases in North Hollywood... They are cheap and do
great work- I have them make all of my cases. BTW, I don't have that case
anymore (went with a Finalizer that went out in the field with me).

http://www.encorecases.com 800-74 ENCORE

Jan Al- http://www.cases.tv/ 323 260-7212


--Ben

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"ScotFraser" > wrote in message ...
> << I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>
>
> They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.
>
> <<Any suggestions?>>
>
> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used
Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his
made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[Benjamin Maas]

Custom made from Encore cases in North Hollywood... They are cheap and do
great work- I have them make all of my cases. BTW, I don't have that case
anymore (went with a Finalizer that went out in the field with me).

http://www.encorecases.com 800-74 ENCORE

Jan Al- http://www.cases.tv/ 323 260-7212


--Ben

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Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
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"ScotFraser" > wrote in message ...
> << I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>
>
> They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.
>
> <<Any suggestions?>>
>
> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used
Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his
made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[Benjamin Maas]

Custom made from Encore cases in North Hollywood... They are cheap and do
great work- I have them make all of my cases. BTW, I don't have that case
anymore (went with a Finalizer that went out in the field with me).

http://www.encorecases.com 800-74 ENCORE

Jan Al- http://www.cases.tv/ 323 260-7212


--Ben

--
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Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
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"ScotFraser" > wrote in message ...
> << I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel. >>
>
> They exist, I've seen them, Ben Maas has one.
>
> <<Any suggestions?>>
>
> You could have one of the local case makers build you one. I've used
Jan-Al in
> the past. They're in City of Industry at 323-260-7212. I think Ben had his
made
> by a company somewhere in the Valley, but I can't remember the name.
>
>
> Scott Fraser

[hank alrich]

hollywood_steve wrote:

> I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel.
> But I swear that I've seen examples over the years. I want to mount a
> UPS in the case and the rack ears on the UPS were definitely an
> afterthought; as in "Hey, lets throw in some rack ears and then all
> them recording and video techs will want one." There is no way that I
> would trust the heavy weight (think batteries, lots of batteries) of
> the unit to the toy rack ears they included. But if I could find a
> 1RU case, then the rack ears would have little to do other than keep
> the UPS from sliding out the front of the case. It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.

> (and I dan't imagine that I'd want to locate a mic preamp right next
> to a UPS in my travelling rig. The idea of a UPS in its own case just
> makes sense to me.)

> Any suggestions?

Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

hollywood_steve wrote:

> I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel.
> But I swear that I've seen examples over the years. I want to mount a
> UPS in the case and the rack ears on the UPS were definitely an
> afterthought; as in "Hey, lets throw in some rack ears and then all
> them recording and video techs will want one." There is no way that I
> would trust the heavy weight (think batteries, lots of batteries) of
> the unit to the toy rack ears they included. But if I could find a
> 1RU case, then the rack ears would have little to do other than keep
> the UPS from sliding out the front of the case. It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.

> (and I dan't imagine that I'd want to locate a mic preamp right next
> to a UPS in my travelling rig. The idea of a UPS in its own case just
> makes sense to me.)

> Any suggestions?

Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

hollywood_steve wrote:

> I've been told by some manufacturers that "it's impossible" because
> the hardware needed to attach the end caps won't fit on a 1RU panel.
> But I swear that I've seen examples over the years. I want to mount a
> UPS in the case and the rack ears on the UPS were definitely an
> afterthought; as in "Hey, lets throw in some rack ears and then all
> them recording and video techs will want one." There is no way that I
> would trust the heavy weight (think batteries, lots of batteries) of
> the unit to the toy rack ears they included. But if I could find a
> 1RU case, then the rack ears would have little to do other than keep
> the UPS from sliding out the front of the case. It would be supported
> by the top and bottom panels of the case, not by the rack ears.

> (and I dan't imagine that I'd want to locate a mic preamp right next
> to a UPS in my travelling rig. The idea of a UPS in its own case just
> makes sense to me.)

> Any suggestions?

Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.

--
ha

[hollywood_steve]

>
> Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.


OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
unit would give off that kind of heat.

In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?

Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
above/below other gear?


thanks

steve

[hollywood_steve]

>
> Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.


OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
unit would give off that kind of heat.

In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?

Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
above/below other gear?


thanks

steve

[hollywood_steve]

>
> Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.


OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
unit would give off that kind of heat.

In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?

Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
above/below other gear?


thanks

steve

[Joel]

Buy a 2 slot case like a SKB-XRACK2 (about $45) and stick a piece of rigid
foam (don't block the cooling slots) to fill in the extra space.

[Joel]

Buy a 2 slot case like a SKB-XRACK2 (about $45) and stick a piece of rigid
foam (don't block the cooling slots) to fill in the extra space.

[Joel]

Buy a 2 slot case like a SKB-XRACK2 (about $45) and stick a piece of rigid
foam (don't block the cooling slots) to fill in the extra space.

[Benjamin Maas]

I wouldn't run cables (especially analog ones) near it, but beyond that, you
shouldn't have any major issues... If anything, having a stable power
source will only help things.

--Ben

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Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
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"hollywood_steve" > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> > ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> > rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> > you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> > ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.
>
>
> OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
> supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
> unit would give off that kind of heat.
>
> In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
> to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
> items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
> from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?
>
> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?
>
>
> thanks
>
> steve
>

[Benjamin Maas]

I wouldn't run cables (especially analog ones) near it, but beyond that, you
shouldn't have any major issues... If anything, having a stable power
source will only help things.

--Ben

--
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Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
http://www.fifthcircle.com

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"hollywood_steve" > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> > ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> > rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> > you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> > ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.
>
>
> OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
> supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
> unit would give off that kind of heat.
>
> In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
> to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
> items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
> from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?
>
> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?
>
>
> thanks
>
> steve
>

[Benjamin Maas]

I wouldn't run cables (especially analog ones) near it, but beyond that, you
shouldn't have any major issues... If anything, having a stable power
source will only help things.

--Ben

--
Benjamin Maas
Fifth Circle Audio
Los Angeles, CA
http://www.fifthcircle.com

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"hollywood_steve" > wrote in message
om...
> >
> > Yes. You want a case of at least _three_ spaces to provide adequate
> > ventilation for the UPS, and you want a case that allows you to
> > rack-secure the rear of the UPS chassis as well as the front of it. Then
> > you needn't worry about having all the weight hanging off of the front
> > ears, and you won't burn the sucker up.
>
>
> OK, supporting the unit was never a question, I always use additional
> supports besides the front rack screws. But I was not aware that the
> unit would give off that kind of heat.
>
> In my first post I menitioned a concern about placing this thing next
> to audio components, whether sensitive units like mic preamps or other
> items. Can anyone tell me how much I need to worry about interference
> from the UPS finding its way into adjacent gear?
>
> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?
>
>
> thanks
>
> steve
>

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?

It all depends on how it's designed, and how your gear is designed. I
wouldn't worry about disk drives close by, but a mic preamp,
particularly one that's unbalanced inside the case (most are) might be
affected by a magnetic field radiated by something immeditately below
it.

Why not just stack up a pile and see what happens? A case won't
provide significant shielding, and if anything will make things a
little better by providing a touch more space.



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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?

It all depends on how it's designed, and how your gear is designed. I
wouldn't worry about disk drives close by, but a mic preamp,
particularly one that's unbalanced inside the case (most are) might be
affected by a magnetic field radiated by something immeditately below
it.

Why not just stack up a pile and see what happens? A case won't
provide significant shielding, and if anything will make things a
little better by providing a touch more space.



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However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
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and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Is the power supply a potential danger to hard drives located close by
> or to mic level signals that are about to receive huge amounts of gain
> or to anything else? For location use, should the UPS be located a
> few feet from my other gear, or can I safely stack its case
> above/below other gear?

It all depends on how it's designed, and how your gear is designed. I
wouldn't worry about disk drives close by, but a mic preamp,
particularly one that's unbalanced inside the case (most are) might be
affected by a magnetic field radiated by something immeditately below
it.

Why not just stack up a pile and see what happens? A case won't
provide significant shielding, and if anything will make things a
little better by providing a touch more space.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
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and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Aaron J. Grier]

Marc Wielage > wrote:
> If you're mounting something as heavy as a UPS, then I'd suggest
> making some little legs out of dowel rods or something just to support
> it at the very bottom.

or get supports at the front and back and use rails to mount your gear.
http://www.gendevco.com/chassis_trak/

there are of course cheap ones available, too...
http://servercase.com/miva/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SC&Product_Code=SR20&Category_Code=Rackmount+Acce.

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to write provably correct software. also, I want a pony." -- Zach Brown

[Aaron J. Grier]

Marc Wielage > wrote:
> If you're mounting something as heavy as a UPS, then I'd suggest
> making some little legs out of dowel rods or something just to support
> it at the very bottom.

or get supports at the front and back and use rails to mount your gear.
http://www.gendevco.com/chassis_trak/

there are of course cheap ones available, too...
http://servercase.com/miva/miva?/Merchant2/merchant.mv+Screen=PROD&Store_Code=SC&Product_Code=SR20&Category_Code=Rackmount+Acce.

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"someday the industry will have throbbing frontal lobes and will be able
to write provably correct software. also, I want a pony." -- Zach Brown