Vocal Distortion on Neil Young's "Southern Man"

[Blackburst]

Just heard it on the radio, a good system.

Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?

I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
set, but why keep the take?

Who engineered this? Nitschke?

Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
hitting the preamp too hard?

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Blackburst" > wrote in message
...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>

There's quite a few anomalies on that recording (but it's still fantastic
and a classic). When I first ripped it to MP3 and was listening in the car I
thought the artifacts were from the ripping but on listening to the original
CD they were there though softer (MP3 and perceptual encoding, especially at
lower rates, can shift things you normally wouldn't notice to the
foreground).

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Blackburst" > wrote in message
...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>

There's quite a few anomalies on that recording (but it's still fantastic
and a classic). When I first ripped it to MP3 and was listening in the car I
thought the artifacts were from the ripping but on listening to the original
CD they were there though softer (MP3 and perceptual encoding, especially at
lower rates, can shift things you normally wouldn't notice to the
foreground).

[hank alrich]

Blackburst wrote:

> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?

If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.

Emotion

% distortion

Pick one...

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Blackburst wrote:

> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?

If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.

Emotion

% distortion

Pick one...

--
ha

[Bob]

Ha!

>on listening to the original CD

[Bob]

Ha!

>on listening to the original CD

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Ha!
>
> >on listening to the original CD
>
>

Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Ha!
>
> >on listening to the original CD
>
>

Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.

[Tommy B]

Hey Hank, did that question yank your crank?
Many people hear, few people listen.
I guess now that everybody has this technology, the goal is to strive for
perfection and nitpick everthing to death. All hail the "King of the Turd
Polishers".
May his reign be brief !
And please have his underlings SPRAY, when he leaves the building, thank you
very much.

Tom





"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
> Blackburst wrote:
>
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
been
> > set, but why keep the take?
>
> If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
> second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
> perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
> you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.
>
> Emotion
>
> % distortion
>
> Pick one...
>
> --
> ha

[Tommy B]

Hey Hank, did that question yank your crank?
Many people hear, few people listen.
I guess now that everybody has this technology, the goal is to strive for
perfection and nitpick everthing to death. All hail the "King of the Turd
Polishers".
May his reign be brief !
And please have his underlings SPRAY, when he leaves the building, thank you
very much.

Tom





"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
> Blackburst wrote:
>
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
been
> > set, but why keep the take?
>
> If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
> second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
> perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
> you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.
>
> Emotion
>
> % distortion
>
> Pick one...
>
> --
> ha

[TonyP]

"Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> "Bob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >on listening to the original CD
> > Ha!
> Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.

I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
(Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> "Bob" > wrote in message
> ...
> > >on listening to the original CD
> > Ha!
> Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.

I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
(Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)

TonyP.

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?

Probably on the radio, sure. Hell, most of our local radio stations have
so much processing that the DJ mike does through a different signal path
than the music does, so it doesn't sound so buzzy and distorted.

>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
>set, but why keep the take?
>
>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
>hitting the preamp too hard?

Try and listen to the original record and not something run through three
racks of compressors, limiters, and composite clippers at your local broadcast
station.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?

Probably on the radio, sure. Hell, most of our local radio stations have
so much processing that the DJ mike does through a different signal path
than the music does, so it doesn't sound so buzzy and distorted.

>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
>set, but why keep the take?
>
>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
>hitting the preamp too hard?

Try and listen to the original record and not something run through three
racks of compressors, limiters, and composite clippers at your local broadcast
station.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?

Probably on the radio, sure. Hell, most of our local radio stations have
so much processing that the DJ mike does through a different signal path
than the music does, so it doesn't sound so buzzy and distorted.

>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
>set, but why keep the take?
>
>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
>hitting the preamp too hard?

Try and listen to the original record and not something run through three
racks of compressors, limiters, and composite clippers at your local broadcast
station.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"TonyP" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>

I meant "original" as in the commercial CD I ripped it from as I was trying
to figure out if some of the stuff I was hearing was MP3 artifacts. There's
one real "bump" somewhere in "Man Needs A Maid" (I think) that I was almost
sure was a MP3 artifact or was something that had went wrong during the burn
but when I put on the CD sure enough that it was. Pretty dare obvious but as
Hank sank the emotion and performance take precedent over crap like that.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"TonyP" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>

I meant "original" as in the commercial CD I ripped it from as I was trying
to figure out if some of the stuff I was hearing was MP3 artifacts. There's
one real "bump" somewhere in "Man Needs A Maid" (I think) that I was almost
sure was a MP3 artifact or was something that had went wrong during the burn
but when I put on the CD sure enough that it was. Pretty dare obvious but as
Hank sank the emotion and performance take precedent over crap like that.

[Ben Bradley]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:45:05 GMT, "Tommy B" >
wrote:

>Hey Hank, did that question yank your crank?

I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
It appears Hank is carrying the flame (ouch!) that Fletcher used to
carry - I don't see Fletcher around much lately.

>Many people hear, few people listen.
>I guess now that everybody has this technology, the goal is to strive for
>perfection and nitpick everthing to death. All hail the "King of the Turd
>Polishers".
>May his reign be brief !
>And please have his underlings SPRAY, when he leaves the building, thank you
>very much.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
>> Blackburst wrote:
>>
>> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
>been
>> > set, but why keep the take?
>>
>> If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
>> second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
>> perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
>> you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.
>>
>> Emotion
>>
>> % distortion
>>
>> Pick one...
>>
>> --
>> ha
>

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Ben Bradley]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:45:05 GMT, "Tommy B" >
wrote:

>Hey Hank, did that question yank your crank?

I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
It appears Hank is carrying the flame (ouch!) that Fletcher used to
carry - I don't see Fletcher around much lately.

>Many people hear, few people listen.
>I guess now that everybody has this technology, the goal is to strive for
>perfection and nitpick everthing to death. All hail the "King of the Turd
>Polishers".
>May his reign be brief !
>And please have his underlings SPRAY, when he leaves the building, thank you
>very much.
>
>Tom
>
>
>
>
>
>"hank alrich" > wrote in message
...
>> Blackburst wrote:
>>
>> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
>been
>> > set, but why keep the take?
>>
>> If you have to ask, you will not understand the answer. You're going to
>> second guess a few decades of what has worked and hold out for technical
>> perfection. Don't **** up the fries, if you get to the point they'll let
>> you cook them. Until then, just don't drop them en route to the window.
>>
>> Emotion
>>
>> % distortion
>>
>> Pick one...
>>
>> --
>> ha
>

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Scott Dorsey]

Ricky W. Hunt > wrote:
>"TonyP" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
>> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
>> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
>I meant "original" as in the commercial CD I ripped it from as I was trying
>to figure out if some of the stuff I was hearing was MP3 artifacts. There's
>one real "bump" somewhere in "Man Needs A Maid" (I think) that I was almost
>sure was a MP3 artifact or was something that had went wrong during the burn
>but when I put on the CD sure enough that it was. Pretty dare obvious but as
>Hank sank the emotion and performance take precedent over crap like that.

Nahh, listen to the LP. I am sad to report that a _lot_ of rock from that
era has been horribly mangled on re-release to CD, by labels that think
loudness is more important than sound quality.

Entirely possible you hear some flattopping on the CD that is absent on
the LP.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Ricky W. Hunt > wrote:
>"TonyP" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
>> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
>> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
>I meant "original" as in the commercial CD I ripped it from as I was trying
>to figure out if some of the stuff I was hearing was MP3 artifacts. There's
>one real "bump" somewhere in "Man Needs A Maid" (I think) that I was almost
>sure was a MP3 artifact or was something that had went wrong during the burn
>but when I put on the CD sure enough that it was. Pretty dare obvious but as
>Hank sank the emotion and performance take precedent over crap like that.

Nahh, listen to the LP. I am sad to report that a _lot_ of rock from that
era has been horribly mangled on re-release to CD, by labels that think
loudness is more important than sound quality.

Entirely possible you hear some flattopping on the CD that is absent on
the LP.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Ricky W. Hunt > wrote:
>"TonyP" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
>> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
>> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
>I meant "original" as in the commercial CD I ripped it from as I was trying
>to figure out if some of the stuff I was hearing was MP3 artifacts. There's
>one real "bump" somewhere in "Man Needs A Maid" (I think) that I was almost
>sure was a MP3 artifact or was something that had went wrong during the burn
>but when I put on the CD sure enough that it was. Pretty dare obvious but as
>Hank sank the emotion and performance take precedent over crap like that.

Nahh, listen to the LP. I am sad to report that a _lot_ of rock from that
era has been horribly mangled on re-release to CD, by labels that think
loudness is more important than sound quality.

Entirely possible you hear some flattopping on the CD that is absent on
the LP.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[hank alrich]

Bob wrote:

> Ha!

> >on listening to the original CD

Well, it was about a foot in diameter, made of black vinyl, spun @
33.333333 RPM...

--
ha, indeed <g>

[hank alrich]

Bob wrote:

> Ha!

> >on listening to the original CD

Well, it was about a foot in diameter, made of black vinyl, spun @
33.333333 RPM...

--
ha, indeed <g>

[hank alrich]

Bob wrote:

> Ha!

> >on listening to the original CD

Well, it was about a foot in diameter, made of black vinyl, spun @
33.333333 RPM...

--
ha, indeed <g>

[Analogeezer]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?


I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
hitting his adenoids or something.

I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
to burn up autotune with <g>)

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?


I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
hitting his adenoids or something.

I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
to burn up autotune with <g>)

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?


I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
hitting his adenoids or something.

I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
to burn up autotune with <g>)

Analogeezer

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
> It appears Hank is carrying the flame (ouch!) that Fletcher used to
> carry - I don't see Fletcher around much lately.

I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
<g>

Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
dust fade.

Many tunes today are perfectly rendered, even if synthetically so, yet
people clamor for the ancient wisdom that allowed emotion to live in the
stored information. that wisdom rested on the abilities to hear the
emotion in the first place and to understand its value in the musical
sense, and the courage to go with the result. Be brave.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
> It appears Hank is carrying the flame (ouch!) that Fletcher used to
> carry - I don't see Fletcher around much lately.

I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
<g>

Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
dust fade.

Many tunes today are perfectly rendered, even if synthetically so, yet
people clamor for the ancient wisdom that allowed emotion to live in the
stored information. that wisdom rested on the abilities to hear the
emotion in the first place and to understand its value in the musical
sense, and the courage to go with the result. Be brave.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
> It appears Hank is carrying the flame (ouch!) that Fletcher used to
> carry - I don't see Fletcher around much lately.

I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
<g>

Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
dust fade.

Many tunes today are perfectly rendered, even if synthetically so, yet
people clamor for the ancient wisdom that allowed emotion to live in the
stored information. that wisdom rested on the abilities to hear the
emotion in the first place and to understand its value in the musical
sense, and the courage to go with the result. Be brave.

--
ha

[[email protected]]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

<s>
You should get in touch with Neil and his people, let them know what
your detective work turned up. Maybe they'll fix it and punish the
guilty parties. To think they let that slip by.. the mind reels.
</s>

[[email protected]]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

<s>
You should get in touch with Neil and his people, let them know what
your detective work turned up. Maybe they'll fix it and punish the
guilty parties. To think they let that slip by.. the mind reels.
</s>

[[email protected]]

(Blackburst) wrote in message >...
> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>
> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>
> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

<s>
You should get in touch with Neil and his people, let them know what
your detective work turned up. Maybe they'll fix it and punish the
guilty parties. To think they let that slip by.. the mind reels.
</s>

[Tommy B]

I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?

Tom



"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
> (Blackburst) wrote in message
>...
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
>
> I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
> hitting his adenoids or something.
>
> I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)
>
> Analogeezer

[Tommy B]

I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?

Tom



"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
> (Blackburst) wrote in message
>...
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
>
> I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
> hitting his adenoids or something.
>
> I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)
>
> Analogeezer

[Tommy B]

I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?

Tom



"Analogeezer" > wrote in message
om...
> (Blackburst) wrote in message
>...
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
>
> I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
> hitting his adenoids or something.
>
> I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)
>
> Analogeezer

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:12:58 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
>such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
>spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
>dust fade.

Neil Young reputedly did the entire soundtrack for the movie
"Dead Man" in a single first take. Of course, you first have
to be Neil Young to do that.

Excellent flic, too.

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:12:58 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
>such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
>spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
>dust fade.

Neil Young reputedly did the entire soundtrack for the movie
"Dead Man" in a single first take. Of course, you first have
to be Neil Young to do that.

Excellent flic, too.

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 19:12:58 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Do this stuff very long and you _will_ face the reality that such and
>such a take cannot be duplicated for love, money, or anything else, in
>spite of its technical deficiencies. Go with the power and let the fairy
>dust fade.

Neil Young reputedly did the entire soundtrack for the movie
"Dead Man" in a single first take. Of course, you first have
to be Neil Young to do that.

Excellent flic, too.

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>

Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.

> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>

No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
engineering for Young.

> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
You might have to react to the music or something.

:)

Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books

This book is highly recommended. Highly.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>

Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.

> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>

No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
engineering for Young.

> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
You might have to react to the music or something.

:)

Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books

This book is highly recommended. Highly.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>
> Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>

Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.

> I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> set, but why keep the take?
>
> Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>

No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
engineering for Young.

> Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> hitting the preamp too hard?

That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
You might have to react to the music or something.

:)

Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books

This book is highly recommended. Highly.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Tommy B wrote:

> I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
> Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?
>

There never has.

> Tom
>
>
>
> "Analogeezer" > wrote in message
> om...
>
(Blackburst) wrote in message
>
> >...
>
>>>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>>>
>>>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>>>
>>>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
>
> been
>
>>>set, but why keep the take?
>>>
>>>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>>>
>>>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
>
> he
>
>>>hitting the preamp too hard?
>>
>>
>>I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
>>hitting his adenoids or something.
>>
>>I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
>>these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
>>probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
>>to burn up autotune with <g>)
>>
>>Analogeezer
>
>
>

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Tommy B wrote:

> I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
> Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?
>

There never has.

> Tom
>
>
>
> "Analogeezer" > wrote in message
> om...
>
(Blackburst) wrote in message
>
> >...
>
>>>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>>>
>>>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>>>
>>>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
>
> been
>
>>>set, but why keep the take?
>>>
>>>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>>>
>>>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
>
> he
>
>>>hitting the preamp too hard?
>>
>>
>>I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
>>hitting his adenoids or something.
>>
>>I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
>>these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
>>probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
>>to burn up autotune with <g>)
>>
>>Analogeezer
>
>
>

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Tommy B wrote:

> I used this line in another thread,but I like it, so I'll play it again.
> Neil Young, has there ever been a whine so rare?
>

There never has.

> Tom
>
>
>
> "Analogeezer" > wrote in message
> om...
>
(Blackburst) wrote in message
>
> >...
>
>>>Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
>>>
>>>Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
>>>
>>>I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had
>
> been
>
>>>set, but why keep the take?
>>>
>>>Who engineered this? Nitschke?
>>>
>>>Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was
>
> he
>
>>>hitting the preamp too hard?
>>
>>
>>I think that's just the way Neil sounds, maybe it was the phlegm
>>hitting his adenoids or something.
>>
>>I think people worried a lot less about perfection back in those days,
>>these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
>>probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
>>to burn up autotune with <g>)
>>
>>Analogeezer
>
>
>

--
Les Cargill

[Don Cooper]

Analogeezer wrote:

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing


He came close in his "Trans" period.


Don

[Don Cooper]

Analogeezer wrote:

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing


He came close in his "Trans" period.


Don

[Don Cooper]

Analogeezer wrote:

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing


He came close in his "Trans" period.


Don

[Handywired]

>
>"Bob" > wrote in message
...
>> Ha!
>>
>> >on listening to the original CD
>
>Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>

I think he was "ha!"-ing because the original was not, of course, a CD...

-jeff

[Handywired]

>
>"Bob" > wrote in message
...
>> Ha!
>>
>> >on listening to the original CD
>
>Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>

I think he was "ha!"-ing because the original was not, of course, a CD...

-jeff

[Handywired]

>
>"Bob" > wrote in message
...
>> Ha!
>>
>> >on listening to the original CD
>
>Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>

I think he was "ha!"-ing because the original was not, of course, a CD...

-jeff

[Stephen Sank]

I have always been quite convinced that the vocal distortion on Southern Man was entirely
deliberate. It always seemed to add the right emotion to it, to my ears.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
> Blackburst wrote:
>
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
>
> Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.
>
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
>
> No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
> engineering for Young.
>
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
> That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
> jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
> You might have to react to the music or something.
>
> :)
>
> Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8
078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books
>
> This book is highly recommended. Highly.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

[Stephen Sank]

I have always been quite convinced that the vocal distortion on Southern Man was entirely
deliberate. It always seemed to add the right emotion to it, to my ears.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
> Blackburst wrote:
>
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
>
> Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.
>
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
>
> No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
> engineering for Young.
>
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
> That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
> jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
> You might have to react to the music or something.
>
> :)
>
> Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8
078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books
>
> This book is highly recommended. Highly.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

[Stephen Sank]

I have always been quite convinced that the vocal distortion on Southern Man was entirely
deliberate. It always seemed to add the right emotion to it, to my ears.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Les Cargill" > wrote in message
...
> Blackburst wrote:
>
> > Just heard it on the radio, a good system.
> >
> > Am I wrong or do I hear major clipping on the lead vocal?
> >
>
> Hell yeah. Guitars are clippin' too. Shocking.
>
> > I can understand if Neil just came roarin' in loud after the level had been
> > set, but why keep the take?
> >
> > Who engineered this? Nitschke?
> >
>
> No. David Briggs. I don't know that Nitzsche did any
> engineering for Young.
>
> > Where would this distortion have come in? Was he overdriving a mic? Was he
> > hitting the preamp too hard?
>
> That's like saying Cindy Crawford would be good looking if she
> jut lost the mole. And for God's sake, don't listen to "Live Rust".
> You might have to react to the music or something.
>
> :)
>
> Not gonna makeashorterlink it. Cut and paste.
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0679750967/qid=1085527045/sr=1-4/ref=sr_1_4/104-8
078026-4179113?v=glance&s=books
>
> This book is highly recommended. Highly.
>
> --
> Les Cargill

[Stephen Sank]

Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
great.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Analogeezer wrote:
>
> > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > probably break the damn thing
>
>
> He came close in his "Trans" period.
>
>
> Don

[Stephen Sank]

Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
great.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Analogeezer wrote:
>
> > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > probably break the damn thing
>
>
> He came close in his "Trans" period.
>
>
> Don

[Stephen Sank]

Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
great.

--
Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
Talking Dog Transducer Company
http://stephensank.com
5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
505-332-0336
Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
Payments preferred through Paypal.com
"Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
>
>
> Analogeezer wrote:
>
> > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > probably break the damn thing
>
>
> He came close in his "Trans" period.
>
>
> Don

[Bob]

Yep ;-)

no disrespect intended, best regards,
Bob



"TonyP" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > Ha!
> > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>
> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
> TonyP.
>
>
>

[Bob]

Yep ;-)

no disrespect intended, best regards,
Bob



"TonyP" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > Ha!
> > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>
> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
> TonyP.
>
>
>

[Bob]

Yep ;-)

no disrespect intended, best regards,
Bob



"TonyP" > schreef in bericht
...
>
> "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > Ha!
> > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
>
> I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
>
> TonyP.
>
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Actually, the distortion is on the LP, too. A matter of choice in the
recording process, I'm sure. I mean, Neil was never afraid of using
equipment distortion to maintain his edgy sound. But it's noticeable on
other tracks of the LP, so however it turned out, it's part of the process.
Anyone know who produced the original master pressing? It could well be in
the amps on the lathe.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob
>
>
>
> "TonyP" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> >
> > "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> > news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > > Ha!
> > > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
> >
> > I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> > existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> > (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
> >
> > TonyP.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Actually, the distortion is on the LP, too. A matter of choice in the
recording process, I'm sure. I mean, Neil was never afraid of using
equipment distortion to maintain his edgy sound. But it's noticeable on
other tracks of the LP, so however it turned out, it's part of the process.
Anyone know who produced the original master pressing? It could well be in
the amps on the lathe.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob
>
>
>
> "TonyP" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> >
> > "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> > news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > > Ha!
> > > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
> >
> > I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> > existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> > (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
> >
> > TonyP.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Actually, the distortion is on the LP, too. A matter of choice in the
recording process, I'm sure. I mean, Neil was never afraid of using
equipment distortion to maintain his edgy sound. But it's noticeable on
other tracks of the LP, so however it turned out, it's part of the process.
Anyone know who produced the original master pressing? It could well be in
the amps on the lathe.

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob
>
>
>
> "TonyP" > schreef in bericht
> ...
> >
> > "Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
> > news:NLCsc.110840$536.19983076@attbi_s03...
> > > "Bob" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > >on listening to the original CD
> > > > Ha!
> > > Yes, people still listen to CD's believe it or not.
> >
> > I think he's referring to the fact that the song was recorded before CD
> > existed, so the concept of "original" CD, is amusing in that context.
> > (Yes I know it was meant as the CD from which the MP3 was ripped)
> >
> > TonyP.
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Analogeezer]

"Stephen Sank" > wrote in message >...
> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
>
> --
> Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Talking Dog Transducer Company
> http://stephensank.com
> 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
> 505-332-0336
> Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
> Payments preferred through Paypal.com
> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > Analogeezer wrote:
> >
> > > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > > probably break the damn thing
> >
> >
> > He came close in his "Trans" period.
> >
> >
> > Don


Actually I thought it was very cool. I remember when it came out I was
at a wedding party, up in a hotel room afterward and these people were
excited that "hey Neil Young" is gonna be on TV.

I'll always remember the looks on their faces...they were expecting
"Old Man" and "Southern Man" and "Trans" was not what they
expected...it was hilarious.

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

"Stephen Sank" > wrote in message >...
> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
>
> --
> Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Talking Dog Transducer Company
> http://stephensank.com
> 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
> 505-332-0336
> Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
> Payments preferred through Paypal.com
> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > Analogeezer wrote:
> >
> > > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > > probably break the damn thing
> >
> >
> > He came close in his "Trans" period.
> >
> >
> > Don


Actually I thought it was very cool. I remember when it came out I was
at a wedding party, up in a hotel room afterward and these people were
excited that "hey Neil Young" is gonna be on TV.

I'll always remember the looks on their faces...they were expecting
"Old Man" and "Southern Man" and "Trans" was not what they
expected...it was hilarious.

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

"Stephen Sank" > wrote in message >...
> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
>
> --
> Stephen Sank, Owner & Ribbon Mic Restorer
> Talking Dog Transducer Company
> http://stephensank.com
> 5517 Carmelita Drive N.E.
> Albuquerque, New Mexico [87111]
> 505-332-0336
> Auth. Nakamichi & McIntosh servicer
> Payments preferred through Paypal.com
> "Don Cooper" > wrote in message ...
> >
> >
> > Analogeezer wrote:
> >
> > > these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> > > probably break the damn thing
> >
> >
> > He came close in his "Trans" period.
> >
> >
> > Don


Actually I thought it was very cool. I remember when it came out I was
at a wedding party, up in a hotel room afterward and these people were
excited that "hey Neil Young" is gonna be on TV.

I'll always remember the looks on their faces...they were expecting
"Old Man" and "Southern Man" and "Trans" was not what they
expected...it was hilarious.

Analogeezer

[Blackburst]

OY vey!

I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
some techno stuff.

But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
through with some techno stuff.

Tough crowd, this.

I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
a PA or amp or something, for effect.

Sheeeesh.

[Blackburst]

OY vey!

I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
some techno stuff.

But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
through with some techno stuff.

Tough crowd, this.

I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
a PA or amp or something, for effect.

Sheeeesh.

[Blackburst]

OY vey!

I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
some techno stuff.

But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
through with some techno stuff.

Tough crowd, this.

I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
a PA or amp or something, for effect.

Sheeeesh.

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>
>I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
>while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
>track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
>a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
>Sheeeesh.

Wait! You _are_ talking about the vocal effect. I thought you were
hearing more than just that.

It's not just distortion, it's a low cut as well in order to bring the buzzy
sound out, and it's different on the chorus and on the verses. That is very
clearly done for effect and was probably done with a telephone simulator box
or something similar.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>
>I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
>while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
>track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
>a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
>Sheeeesh.

Wait! You _are_ talking about the vocal effect. I thought you were
hearing more than just that.

It's not just distortion, it's a low cut as well in order to bring the buzzy
sound out, and it's different on the chorus and on the verses. That is very
clearly done for effect and was probably done with a telephone simulator box
or something similar.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Blackburst > wrote:
>
>I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
>while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
>track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
>a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
>Sheeeesh.

Wait! You _are_ talking about the vocal effect. I thought you were
hearing more than just that.

It's not just distortion, it's a low cut as well in order to bring the buzzy
sound out, and it's different on the chorus and on the verses. That is very
clearly done for effect and was probably done with a telephone simulator box
or something similar.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob

I never had a great vinyl setup (some I'd only heard on 8-track, OUCH!) so I
was absolutely stunned how much I was missing when I heard the CD (of some
of my favorite albums). But when I went through my MP3 transferring phase
(and still trying to evaluate the best settings, etc.) a lot of the stuff I
thought was artifacts was actually on the CD (and on the masters too I
assume). LOTS of splices I'd never noticed before, etc. MP3 by definition
has the ability to "choose" what it thinks is important though and it does
bring some things to the fore more than you would like. Side note: for road
listening I actually prefer the standard 128k rip to the more extreme
"archival" settings for this exact reason though. Really gets the music
above the road noise and I actually prefer it over the CD it was ripped from
in a lot of cases. I'm still on the fence though about whether listening to
data compressed music screws with your hearing over time.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob

I never had a great vinyl setup (some I'd only heard on 8-track, OUCH!) so I
was absolutely stunned how much I was missing when I heard the CD (of some
of my favorite albums). But when I went through my MP3 transferring phase
(and still trying to evaluate the best settings, etc.) a lot of the stuff I
thought was artifacts was actually on the CD (and on the masters too I
assume). LOTS of splices I'd never noticed before, etc. MP3 by definition
has the ability to "choose" what it thinks is important though and it does
bring some things to the fore more than you would like. Side note: for road
listening I actually prefer the standard 128k rip to the more extreme
"archival" settings for this exact reason though. Really gets the music
above the road noise and I actually prefer it over the CD it was ripped from
in a lot of cases. I'm still on the fence though about whether listening to
data compressed music screws with your hearing over time.

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bob" > wrote in message
...
> Yep ;-)
>
> no disrespect intended, best regards,
> Bob

I never had a great vinyl setup (some I'd only heard on 8-track, OUCH!) so I
was absolutely stunned how much I was missing when I heard the CD (of some
of my favorite albums). But when I went through my MP3 transferring phase
(and still trying to evaluate the best settings, etc.) a lot of the stuff I
thought was artifacts was actually on the CD (and on the masters too I
assume). LOTS of splices I'd never noticed before, etc. MP3 by definition
has the ability to "choose" what it thinks is important though and it does
bring some things to the fore more than you would like. Side note: for road
listening I actually prefer the standard 128k rip to the more extreme
"archival" settings for this exact reason though. Really gets the music
above the road noise and I actually prefer it over the CD it was ripped from
in a lot of cases. I'm still on the fence though about whether listening to
data compressed music screws with your hearing over time.

[Altasrecrd]

Dave,

I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
the most blatant on the third verse, I think.

[Altasrecrd]

Dave,

I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
the most blatant on the third verse, I think.

[Altasrecrd]

Dave,

I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
the most blatant on the third verse, I think.

[Blackburst]

Ahhh - a friend!

>I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
>the most blatant on the third verse, I think.
>

I hear it on
"I saw cotton and I saw flax...:"

Scott thinks it was a deliberate effect on the vocal track, done in the mix.
NOW we're getting somewhere!

Hope all is well, Matt!

[Blackburst]

Ahhh - a friend!

>I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
>the most blatant on the third verse, I think.
>

I hear it on
"I saw cotton and I saw flax...:"

Scott thinks it was a deliberate effect on the vocal track, done in the mix.
NOW we're getting somewhere!

Hope all is well, Matt!

[Blackburst]

Ahhh - a friend!

>I think the effect you're hearing is quite intentional. I remember it being
>the most blatant on the third verse, I think.
>

I hear it on
"I saw cotton and I saw flax...:"

Scott thinks it was a deliberate effect on the vocal track, done in the mix.
NOW we're getting somewhere!

Hope all is well, Matt!

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.

> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
> <g>

I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
about?

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.

> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
> <g>

I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
about?

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.

> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
> <g>

I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
about?

TonyP.

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> OY vey!
>
> I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
> opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
> some techno stuff.
>
> But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
> through with some techno stuff.
>
> Tough crowd, this.
>
> I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
> while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
> track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
> a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
> Sheeeesh.

I certainly meant no offense. I took your statement
as a complaint, which I now accept as an error on
my part. For some reason, it sorta parsed as "why
were these idiots so stupid as to ignore obvious
( and it is obvious ) distortion on a lead vocal
track?" and the reaction happened because

.... well, because. :0)

Kinda like "That Picasso, can't draw fer sour sh*t.
Puts the noses on the wrong side like a dadgum
flounder. Wah, mah kid kin do better'n that".

I wasn't very perceptive in *ass*uming that's
what you meant.

Neil did it at home, with David Briggs engineering. I
have no way of knowing whether or not it was actually
intentional. The book is quite specific in making it
clear that "intentional" is something that Neil does
not ever make clear to people ... except when he
does. The book makes clear that this is almost a
.... schtick with Neil. He made Nils Lofgren play
piano, when Nils *did not play piano*, and it
worked. Gad.

I can almost hear the engineer protesting, then
Neil saying "No, keep that one".

That whole album is stated in the book as being a
reaction on Neil's part to being overproduced on
the previous effort. So whether or not it was
planned is almost, in a weird way, sort of a
non sequtier.

As I say, I am finding this book
EXTREMELY entertaining.

I just wish it were easier to actually assemble
people in a room to play music. It's hard.
Logistics are a beeyatch.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> OY vey!
>
> I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
> opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
> some techno stuff.
>
> But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
> through with some techno stuff.
>
> Tough crowd, this.
>
> I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
> while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
> track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
> a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
> Sheeeesh.

I certainly meant no offense. I took your statement
as a complaint, which I now accept as an error on
my part. For some reason, it sorta parsed as "why
were these idiots so stupid as to ignore obvious
( and it is obvious ) distortion on a lead vocal
track?" and the reaction happened because

.... well, because. :0)

Kinda like "That Picasso, can't draw fer sour sh*t.
Puts the noses on the wrong side like a dadgum
flounder. Wah, mah kid kin do better'n that".

I wasn't very perceptive in *ass*uming that's
what you meant.

Neil did it at home, with David Briggs engineering. I
have no way of knowing whether or not it was actually
intentional. The book is quite specific in making it
clear that "intentional" is something that Neil does
not ever make clear to people ... except when he
does. The book makes clear that this is almost a
.... schtick with Neil. He made Nils Lofgren play
piano, when Nils *did not play piano*, and it
worked. Gad.

I can almost hear the engineer protesting, then
Neil saying "No, keep that one".

That whole album is stated in the book as being a
reaction on Neil's part to being overproduced on
the previous effort. So whether or not it was
planned is almost, in a weird way, sort of a
non sequtier.

As I say, I am finding this book
EXTREMELY entertaining.

I just wish it were easier to actually assemble
people in a room to play music. It's hard.
Logistics are a beeyatch.

--
Les Cargill

[Les Cargill]

Blackburst wrote:

> OY vey!
>
> I posted this thinking some audio pro would know the engineer, or give a tech
> opinion that it clipped in the preamp but it was too good a take to re-do, or
> some techno stuff.
>
> But instead, I got a lot of condescending stuff. Well, Scott and Roger came
> through with some techno stuff.
>
> Tough crowd, this.
>
> I PRESUME, since I hear no clipping on any of the instruments, that it was done
> while recording the live vocal track. And that it was just too emotional a
> track to redo. Maybe it was the live reference vocal. Maybe Neil did it through
> a PA or amp or something, for effect.
>
> Sheeeesh.

I certainly meant no offense. I took your statement
as a complaint, which I now accept as an error on
my part. For some reason, it sorta parsed as "why
were these idiots so stupid as to ignore obvious
( and it is obvious ) distortion on a lead vocal
track?" and the reaction happened because

.... well, because. :0)

Kinda like "That Picasso, can't draw fer sour sh*t.
Puts the noses on the wrong side like a dadgum
flounder. Wah, mah kid kin do better'n that".

I wasn't very perceptive in *ass*uming that's
what you meant.

Neil did it at home, with David Briggs engineering. I
have no way of knowing whether or not it was actually
intentional. The book is quite specific in making it
clear that "intentional" is something that Neil does
not ever make clear to people ... except when he
does. The book makes clear that this is almost a
.... schtick with Neil. He made Nils Lofgren play
piano, when Nils *did not play piano*, and it
worked. Gad.

I can almost hear the engineer protesting, then
Neil saying "No, keep that one".

That whole album is stated in the book as being a
reaction on Neil's part to being overproduced on
the previous effort. So whether or not it was
planned is almost, in a weird way, sort of a
non sequtier.

As I say, I am finding this book
EXTREMELY entertaining.

I just wish it were easier to actually assemble
people in a room to play music. It's hard.
Logistics are a beeyatch.

--
Les Cargill

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> about?

Does it matter?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> about?

Does it matter?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> about?

Does it matter?


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Jonathan Roberts]

"Stephen Sank" wrote:

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record?

I haven't heard it in a dog's age, but I thought it was kinda neat at
the time.

--
Jonathan Roberts * guitar, keyboards, vocals * North River Preservation
----------------------------------------------
To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran

[Jonathan Roberts]

"Stephen Sank" wrote:

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record?

I haven't heard it in a dog's age, but I thought it was kinda neat at
the time.

--
Jonathan Roberts * guitar, keyboards, vocals * North River Preservation
----------------------------------------------
To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran

[Jonathan Roberts]

"Stephen Sank" wrote:

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record?

I haven't heard it in a dog's age, but I thought it was kinda neat at
the time.

--
Jonathan Roberts * guitar, keyboards, vocals * North River Preservation
----------------------------------------------
To reach me reverse: moc(dot)xobop(at)ggestran

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Tucson Sessions?

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Tucson Sessions?

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[Chris Hornbeck]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Tucson Sessions?

Chris Hornbeck
"Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
Pauline Kael 1956

[MandoBazaaro]

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)

They basically invented the video equivalent (sort of) when they had
to figure out a way of eliminating the cocaine bugger from under
Neil's nose before he'd allow them to release his Last Waltz
footage...

[MandoBazaaro]

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)

They basically invented the video equivalent (sort of) when they had
to figure out a way of eliminating the cocaine bugger from under
Neil's nose before he'd allow them to release his Last Waltz
footage...

[MandoBazaaro]

> these days's I'd love to see Neil run through autotune, it would
> probably break the damn thing (or Dylan, that'd be another great one
> to burn up autotune with <g>)

They basically invented the video equivalent (sort of) when they had
to figure out a way of eliminating the cocaine bugger from under
Neil's nose before he'd allow them to release his Last Waltz
footage...

[hank alrich]

Chris Hornbeck wrote:

> "TonyP" wrote:

> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?

> Tucson Sessions?

I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Chris Hornbeck wrote:

> "TonyP" wrote:

> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?

> Tucson Sessions?

I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Chris Hornbeck wrote:

> "TonyP" wrote:

> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?

> Tucson Sessions?

I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

--
ha

[Mike Cressey]

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
No - I really liked it too.

I also really like "Landing on Water" which all the critics poo-pooed.
IMO - it was a very good album because it was outside of his "norm".

Long live Neil!!!

Mike Cressey
Broken Arrow - Neil Young cover band - http://www.MusicIsLove.com

[Mike Cressey]

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
No - I really liked it too.

I also really like "Landing on Water" which all the critics poo-pooed.
IMO - it was a very good album because it was outside of his "norm".

Long live Neil!!!

Mike Cressey
Broken Arrow - Neil Young cover band - http://www.MusicIsLove.com

[Mike Cressey]

> Am I the only person in the world that really liked Neil's "Trans" record? I think he was
> basically just having fun with some new technology, but I thought some of the songs were really
> great.
No - I really liked it too.

I also really like "Landing on Water" which all the critics poo-pooed.
IMO - it was a very good album because it was outside of his "norm".

Long live Neil!!!

Mike Cressey
Broken Arrow - Neil Young cover band - http://www.MusicIsLove.com

[Tom Paul]

I caught an old video of her singing "Blue Bayou" live just a week
ago. In order to get the levels where the verse vocals were loud
enough, there was WAY too much gain on the choruses which were
horribly distorted. She must be an engineers nightmare with such a
huge dynamic range. I recall older threads saying she was incredibly
loud. The verses to that song are in a lower register where she
doesn't belt them out.

Tom
>
> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?
>
> Tucson Sessions?
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
> Pauline Kael 1956

[Tom Paul]

I caught an old video of her singing "Blue Bayou" live just a week
ago. In order to get the levels where the verse vocals were loud
enough, there was WAY too much gain on the choruses which were
horribly distorted. She must be an engineers nightmare with such a
huge dynamic range. I recall older threads saying she was incredibly
loud. The verses to that song are in a lower register where she
doesn't belt them out.

Tom
>
> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?
>
> Tucson Sessions?
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
> Pauline Kael 1956

[Tom Paul]

I caught an old video of her singing "Blue Bayou" live just a week
ago. In order to get the levels where the verse vocals were loud
enough, there was WAY too much gain on the choruses which were
horribly distorted. She must be an engineers nightmare with such a
huge dynamic range. I recall older threads saying she was incredibly
loud. The verses to that song are in a lower register where she
doesn't belt them out.

Tom
>
> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
> >about?
>
> Tucson Sessions?
>
> Chris Hornbeck
> "Art perhaps unfortunately is not the sphere of good intentions."
> Pauline Kael 1956

[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>
>"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Ben Bradley wrote:
>>
>> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
>> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
>
>> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
>> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
>> <g>

"No comment"...I don't care that I was only 10 when "Different
Drum" was on the radio, I've always liked her singing.

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Okay, let's hit the replay button. You asked for it. Watch out for
graphic ass-ripping. Be sure to click "Read the rest of this
message..." links where applicable.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&threadm=39e8f08f.459092610%40news.mindspring.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dlinda%2520clipping%26safe%3Dimages %26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.audio.pro%26as_uauthors%3Dben% 2520bradley%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

or:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E18422B68

>TonyP.

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>
>"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Ben Bradley wrote:
>>
>> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
>> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
>
>> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
>> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
>> <g>

"No comment"...I don't care that I was only 10 when "Different
Drum" was on the radio, I've always liked her singing.

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Okay, let's hit the replay button. You asked for it. Watch out for
graphic ass-ripping. Be sure to click "Read the rest of this
message..." links where applicable.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&threadm=39e8f08f.459092610%40news.mindspring.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dlinda%2520clipping%26safe%3Dimages %26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.audio.pro%26as_uauthors%3Dben% 2520bradley%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

or:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E18422B68

>TonyP.

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[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 12:44:31 +1000, "TonyP" >
wrote:

>
>"hank alrich" > wrote in message
. ..
>> Ben Bradley wrote:
>>
>> > I got a similar size chunk torn out of my rear end a few years ago
>> > when I pointed out some clipping on a Linda Rondstadt vocal.
>
>> I think George Massenburg chimed-in to describe the set and setting. He
>> even asked what you would have done had you been in the driver's seat.
>> <g>

"No comment"...I don't care that I was only 10 when "Different
Drum" was on the radio, I've always liked her singing.

>I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>about?

Okay, let's hit the replay button. You asked for it. Watch out for
graphic ass-ripping. Be sure to click "Read the rest of this
message..." links where applicable.

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&c2coff=1&threadm=39e8f08f.459092610%40news.mindspring.com&rnum=1&prev=/groups%3Fas_q%3Dlinda%2520clipping%26safe%3Dimages %26ie%3DUTF-8%26as_ugroup%3Drec.audio.pro%26as_uauthors%3Dben% 2520bradley%26lr%3D%26hl%3Den

or:

http://makeashorterlink.com/?E18422B68

>TonyP.

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[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:45:44 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Chris Hornbeck wrote:
>
>> "TonyP" wrote:
>
>> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>> >about?
>
>> Tucson Sessions?
>
>I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
regarding singing at 150dB.

>http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

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[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:45:44 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Chris Hornbeck wrote:
>
>> "TonyP" wrote:
>
>> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>> >about?
>
>> Tucson Sessions?
>
>I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
regarding singing at 150dB.

>http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

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[Ben Bradley]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 21:45:44 GMT, (hank alrich)
wrote:

>Chris Hornbeck wrote:
>
>> "TonyP" wrote:
>
>> >I missed it the first time around, which song of Linda's are you talking
>> >about?
>
>> Tucson Sessions?
>
>I think it was about the Trio recordings. It'll be @ Google.

I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
regarding singing at 150dB.

>http://www.google.com/advanced_group_search?hl=en

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[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
_Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

> The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
> honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
> the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
> regarding singing at 150dB.

I think they used a special mix for the plaster on the walls in Linda's
Tucson abode.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
_Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

> The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
> honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
> the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
> regarding singing at 150dB.

I think they used a special mix for the plaster on the walls in Linda's
Tucson abode.

--
ha

[hank alrich]

Ben Bradley wrote:

> I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.

You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
_Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

> The thread took on a life of its own (I didn't mean to be a troll -
> honest!), and ended up having just about every regular RAP poster from
> the time period posting to it. There was at least one spiniff thread
> regarding singing at 150dB.

I think they used a special mix for the plaster on the walls in Linda's
Tucson abode.

--
ha

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> > but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> > response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.
>
> You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
> _Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

Thanks for the info guys, I'll have to check them out now :-)

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> > but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> > response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.
>
> You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
> _Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

Thanks for the info guys, I'll have to check them out now :-)

TonyP.

[TonyP]

"hank alrich" > wrote in message
.. .
> Ben Bradley wrote:
>
> > I just looked the thread over... my post was about Tucson Sessions,
> > but you (Hank) quoted a year-earlier post by Harvey quoting GM in
> > response to someone's post about Trio II. Hope that makes sense.
>
> You're right; there were at least two rounds of such discussion, the
> _Trio_ and the _Tucsuon_. Sometimes I forget how bad my memory is.

Thanks for the info guys, I'll have to check them out now :-)

TonyP.