Excited about an Organ recording

[Cossie]

Yesterday there was an organ concert at my church. Stay with me! Although
we recently installed a beautiful new instrument, I wasn't planning on
attending for various reasons, one of which was the fact that I don't really
have ideal equipment with which to record the organ. But at the last minute
behest of several people including the director of music, I agreed to come
and record. I'm very glad I did, because not only was the concert
excellent, but I amazed myself at what a wonderful recording I was able to
achieve (I'm listening to it as I write this) with less than perfect
equipment and conditions.

Here are the particulars:

The organist is a "child prodigy" of 15. That's a term I don't like to
throw around, and I was dubious when I kept hearing it (one reason I wasn't
thrilled aobut going). He was wonderful.

The instrument is less than 1 year old, and is a Rodgers/Ruffati combination
pipe/digital with 32 ranks of real pipes as well as full midi capability
etc. The space for the installation was limited, which was part of the
reason for the decision to get a combination instrument. Also because of
space limitations, the great division is on one side of the loft in the rear
of the church, and the swell is on the other side. Both are open to the
center of the loft. In other words, they face each other and the choir gets
sa little more deaf every Sunday. There is a Ruk Positif cantilevered from
the front of the loft, and an antiphonal in the front of the church, 75 feet
away. The room is about 90' x 50' with a 40' peaked, timber frame ceiling.

Permanently installed in the room are a stereo pair of Neumann KM184s
suspended in the front of the room, placed for recording orchestra and
choir, which I used for the antiphonal. Suspended over the loft there are a
pair of AT mikes which are not appropriate for organ, and placed for
recording choir.

I do not own a pair of SD omnis, which would have been my first choice IF I
could get them high enough, which brings up my second problem--I also don't
have access to any sturdy mic stands that will go higher than about 8 feet.

So here's what I did: I used those 8' tall boom stands to mount a pair of
AT4041s in the center aisle about halfway back in the room, facing the rear
and aimed at the two main divisions on either side of the loft. Then I
placed an AT4050, set to omni, in the center of the loft, behind the organ
console, halfway between the great and swell divisions.

I was told by both the organist and his teacher that I shouldn't put a mic
in the loft. I was very diplomatic, explained what I was doing, and gave
them the final decision about removing it, but apparently I was persuasive
because they acceeded. I think that in at least one case they thought it
was the only mic being used, in which case they would have been 100% correct
in asking for it to be moved.

My reasoning for the above setup was that I wanted the omni to ensure good
coverage of the full frequency range of the instrument--especially down low.
I felt that if I located it on the main floor it would pick up too much
audience noise. The 4041s were aimed so as to reject as much audience noise
as possible and pick up the room ambience as well as capture the Ruk
Positif. As mentioned before the Neumanns would cover the antiphonal.

This was mixed on the fly through a Midas Venice, with the 4050 in mono and
the other two pairs panned l/r, then fed directly into a Tascam CD recorder.
Another difficulty was that, since this was a last minute thing, I had no
opportunity to test, reposition, or even set levels before the concert
began.

Now, the reason I wrote all this down is this--I have never been so proud of
the final result of any live recording I have done. Played on a decent
system, it sounds very good, but makes you think, "Boy, I wish I had a
better system". Played on a very good system it sounds fabulous--like being
there. My sub is working hard to keep up with the 32' stops, but DAMN it
sounds good!

This is what it's all about.

Bill Balmer

[Chip Gallo]

Cossie wrote:
> Yesterday there was an organ concert at my church. Stay with me!
> Although we recently installed a beautiful new instrument, I wasn't
> planning on attending for various reasons, one of which was the fact
> that I don't really have ideal equipment with which to record the
> organ. But at the last minute behest of several people including the
> director of music, I agreed to come and record. I'm very glad I did,
> because not only was the concert excellent, but I amazed myself at
> what a wonderful recording I was able to achieve (I'm listening to it
> as I write this) with less than perfect equipment and conditions.
>
> Here are the particulars:
>
> The organist is a "child prodigy" of 15. That's a term I don't like
> to throw around, and I was dubious when I kept hearing it (one reason
> I wasn't thrilled aobut going). He was wonderful.
>
> The instrument is less than 1 year old, and is a Rodgers/Ruffati
> combination pipe/digital with 32 ranks of real pipes as well as full
> midi capability etc. The space for the installation was limited,
> which was part of the reason for the decision to get a combination
> instrument. Also because of space limitations, the great division is
> on one side of the loft in the rear of the church, and the swell is
> on the other side. Both are open to the center of the loft. In
> other words, they face each other and the choir gets sa little more
> deaf every Sunday. There is a Ruk Positif cantilevered from the
> front of the loft, and an antiphonal in the front of the church, 75
> feet away. The room is about 90' x 50' with a 40' peaked, timber
> frame ceiling.
>
> Permanently installed in the room are a stereo pair of Neumann KM184s
> suspended in the front of the room, placed for recording orchestra and
> choir, which I used for the antiphonal. Suspended over the loft
> there are a pair of AT mikes which are not appropriate for organ, and
> placed for recording choir.
>
> I do not own a pair of SD omnis, which would have been my first
> choice IF I could get them high enough, which brings up my second
> problem--I also don't have access to any sturdy mic stands that will
> go higher than about 8 feet.
>
> So here's what I did: I used those 8' tall boom stands to mount a
> pair of AT4041s in the center aisle about halfway back in the room,
> facing the rear and aimed at the two main divisions on either side of
> the loft. Then I placed an AT4050, set to omni, in the center of the
> loft, behind the organ console, halfway between the great and swell
> divisions.
>
> I was told by both the organist and his teacher that I shouldn't put
> a mic in the loft. I was very diplomatic, explained what I was
> doing, and gave them the final decision about removing it, but
> apparently I was persuasive because they acceeded. I think that in
> at least one case they thought it was the only mic being used, in
> which case they would have been 100% correct in asking for it to be
> moved.
>
> My reasoning for the above setup was that I wanted the omni to ensure
> good coverage of the full frequency range of the
> instrument--especially down low. I felt that if I located it on the
> main floor it would pick up too much audience noise. The 4041s were
> aimed so as to reject as much audience noise as possible and pick up
> the room ambience as well as capture the Ruk Positif. As mentioned
> before the Neumanns would cover the antiphonal.
>
> This was mixed on the fly through a Midas Venice, with the 4050 in
> mono and the other two pairs panned l/r, then fed directly into a
> Tascam CD recorder. Another difficulty was that, since this was a
> last minute thing, I had no opportunity to test, reposition, or even
> set levels before the concert began.
>
> Now, the reason I wrote all this down is this--I have never been so
> proud of the final result of any live recording I have done. Played
> on a decent system, it sounds very good, but makes you think, "Boy, I
> wish I had a better system". Played on a very good system it sounds
> fabulous--like being there. My sub is working hard to keep up with
> the 32' stops, but DAMN it sounds good!
>
> This is what it's all about.
>
> Bill Balmer

Where to get a copy?

thanks,

Chip Gallo
www.chipster.biz

[Chip Gallo]

Cossie wrote:
> Yesterday there was an organ concert at my church. Stay with me!
> Although we recently installed a beautiful new instrument, I wasn't
> planning on attending for various reasons, one of which was the fact
> that I don't really have ideal equipment with which to record the
> organ. But at the last minute behest of several people including the
> director of music, I agreed to come and record. I'm very glad I did,
> because not only was the concert excellent, but I amazed myself at
> what a wonderful recording I was able to achieve (I'm listening to it
> as I write this) with less than perfect equipment and conditions.
>
> Here are the particulars:
>
> The organist is a "child prodigy" of 15. That's a term I don't like
> to throw around, and I was dubious when I kept hearing it (one reason
> I wasn't thrilled aobut going). He was wonderful.
>
> The instrument is less than 1 year old, and is a Rodgers/Ruffati
> combination pipe/digital with 32 ranks of real pipes as well as full
> midi capability etc. The space for the installation was limited,
> which was part of the reason for the decision to get a combination
> instrument. Also because of space limitations, the great division is
> on one side of the loft in the rear of the church, and the swell is
> on the other side. Both are open to the center of the loft. In
> other words, they face each other and the choir gets sa little more
> deaf every Sunday. There is a Ruk Positif cantilevered from the
> front of the loft, and an antiphonal in the front of the church, 75
> feet away. The room is about 90' x 50' with a 40' peaked, timber
> frame ceiling.
>
> Permanently installed in the room are a stereo pair of Neumann KM184s
> suspended in the front of the room, placed for recording orchestra and
> choir, which I used for the antiphonal. Suspended over the loft
> there are a pair of AT mikes which are not appropriate for organ, and
> placed for recording choir.
>
> I do not own a pair of SD omnis, which would have been my first
> choice IF I could get them high enough, which brings up my second
> problem--I also don't have access to any sturdy mic stands that will
> go higher than about 8 feet.
>
> So here's what I did: I used those 8' tall boom stands to mount a
> pair of AT4041s in the center aisle about halfway back in the room,
> facing the rear and aimed at the two main divisions on either side of
> the loft. Then I placed an AT4050, set to omni, in the center of the
> loft, behind the organ console, halfway between the great and swell
> divisions.
>
> I was told by both the organist and his teacher that I shouldn't put
> a mic in the loft. I was very diplomatic, explained what I was
> doing, and gave them the final decision about removing it, but
> apparently I was persuasive because they acceeded. I think that in
> at least one case they thought it was the only mic being used, in
> which case they would have been 100% correct in asking for it to be
> moved.
>
> My reasoning for the above setup was that I wanted the omni to ensure
> good coverage of the full frequency range of the
> instrument--especially down low. I felt that if I located it on the
> main floor it would pick up too much audience noise. The 4041s were
> aimed so as to reject as much audience noise as possible and pick up
> the room ambience as well as capture the Ruk Positif. As mentioned
> before the Neumanns would cover the antiphonal.
>
> This was mixed on the fly through a Midas Venice, with the 4050 in
> mono and the other two pairs panned l/r, then fed directly into a
> Tascam CD recorder. Another difficulty was that, since this was a
> last minute thing, I had no opportunity to test, reposition, or even
> set levels before the concert began.
>
> Now, the reason I wrote all this down is this--I have never been so
> proud of the final result of any live recording I have done. Played
> on a decent system, it sounds very good, but makes you think, "Boy, I
> wish I had a better system". Played on a very good system it sounds
> fabulous--like being there. My sub is working hard to keep up with
> the 32' stops, but DAMN it sounds good!
>
> This is what it's all about.
>
> Bill Balmer

Where to get a copy?

thanks,

Chip Gallo
www.chipster.biz

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Cossie
at wrote on 5/24/04 8:40 AM:

> Yesterday there was an organ concert at my church. Stay with me! ...........

> This is what it's all about.
>
> Bill Balmer

There's NOTHING like a good pipe organ in a good house.

My daughter (15) is taking organ lessons on a Martin Pasi mechanical action
pipe organ. She brings her 10 years of classical piano training to this
endeavor, and is knocked out by the sound and feel of all the pipes honking
away with all stops pulled. Beats rock and roll and day.

Our church is thrilled that she is learning because they want to help
develop her as church organist (not the Pasi organ, but still a good pipe
organ.) So they found an old organ in the storeroom they want to GIVE us to
promote her interest. I went and checked it out, and, by gum, it's a 1960
Hammond C3! Yowza! I'm having a tech come by to inspect it. If we can
find room for it in our house, and it doesn't need too much repair, it's
moving in. Look out Jimmy Smith! Born to be Wild!

Carlos

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Cossie
at wrote on 5/24/04 8:40 AM:

> Yesterday there was an organ concert at my church. Stay with me! ...........

> This is what it's all about.
>
> Bill Balmer

There's NOTHING like a good pipe organ in a good house.

My daughter (15) is taking organ lessons on a Martin Pasi mechanical action
pipe organ. She brings her 10 years of classical piano training to this
endeavor, and is knocked out by the sound and feel of all the pipes honking
away with all stops pulled. Beats rock and roll and day.

Our church is thrilled that she is learning because they want to help
develop her as church organist (not the Pasi organ, but still a good pipe
organ.) So they found an old organ in the storeroom they want to GIVE us to
promote her interest. I went and checked it out, and, by gum, it's a 1960
Hammond C3! Yowza! I'm having a tech come by to inspect it. If we can
find room for it in our house, and it doesn't need too much repair, it's
moving in. Look out Jimmy Smith! Born to be Wild!

Carlos

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Chip Gallo at
wrote on 5/24/04 9:46 AM:

>> This is what it's all about.
>>
>> Bill Balmer
>
> Where to get a copy?
>
> thanks,
>
> Chip Gallo
> www.chipster.biz


Oh, yeah - Me, too! I'd love a copy for my daughter (see my previous post.)

carlos

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Chip Gallo at
wrote on 5/24/04 9:46 AM:

>> This is what it's all about.
>>
>> Bill Balmer
>
> Where to get a copy?
>
> thanks,
>
> Chip Gallo
> www.chipster.biz


Oh, yeah - Me, too! I'd love a copy for my daughter (see my previous post.)

carlos

[Richard Smith]

"Carlos Alden" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Chip Gallo at
> wrote on 5/24/04 9:46 AM:
>
> >> This is what it's all about.
> >>
> >> Bill Balmer
> >
> > Where to get a copy?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Chip Gallo
> > www.chipster.biz
>
>
> Oh, yeah - Me, too! I'd love a copy for my daughter (see my previous
post.)
>
> carlos

Me three!!
>

[Richard Smith]

"Carlos Alden" > wrote in message
...
> in article , Chip Gallo at
> wrote on 5/24/04 9:46 AM:
>
> >> This is what it's all about.
> >>
> >> Bill Balmer
> >
> > Where to get a copy?
> >
> > thanks,
> >
> > Chip Gallo
> > www.chipster.biz
>
>
> Oh, yeah - Me, too! I'd love a copy for my daughter (see my previous
post.)
>
> carlos

Me three!!
>

[Cossie]

"Chip Gallo" > wrote in message
...
>
> Where to get a copy?
>

Funny you should ask! I was thinking that now I finally have something I'd
be proud to submit for the next RAP CD collection. Is there going to be a
next one?????

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Chip Gallo" > wrote in message
...
>
> Where to get a copy?
>

Funny you should ask! I was thinking that now I finally have something I'd
be proud to submit for the next RAP CD collection. Is there going to be a
next one?????

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Carlos Alden" > wrote in message
...
> in article ,
Cossie
> at wrote on 5/24/04 8:40 AM:
>
> Our church is thrilled that she is learning because they want to help
> develop her as church organist (not the Pasi organ, but still a good pipe
> organ.) So they found an old organ in the storeroom they want to GIVE us
to
> promote her interest. I went and checked it out, and, by gum, it's a 1960
> Hammond C3! Yowza! I'm having a tech come by to inspect it. If we can
> find room for it in our house, and it doesn't need too much repair, it's
> moving in. Look out Jimmy Smith! Born to be Wild!
>

Hey Carlos! Good to see you around here again! They're not giving you a
Leslie too are they? Some guys have all the luck!

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Carlos Alden" > wrote in message
...
> in article ,
Cossie
> at wrote on 5/24/04 8:40 AM:
>
> Our church is thrilled that she is learning because they want to help
> develop her as church organist (not the Pasi organ, but still a good pipe
> organ.) So they found an old organ in the storeroom they want to GIVE us
to
> promote her interest. I went and checked it out, and, by gum, it's a 1960
> Hammond C3! Yowza! I'm having a tech come by to inspect it. If we can
> find room for it in our house, and it doesn't need too much repair, it's
> moving in. Look out Jimmy Smith! Born to be Wild!
>

Hey Carlos! Good to see you around here again! They're not giving you a
Leslie too are they? Some guys have all the luck!

Bill Balmer

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Cossie
at wrote on 5/24/04 2:26 PM:

> Hey Carlos! Good to see you around here again! They're not giving you a
> Leslie too are they? Some guys have all the luck!
>
> Bill Balmer


Hi Bill. Thought that was you. How's it hangin'?

No Leslie, but it does have the separate cabinet with some odd-looking stuff
inside. There is a vibrato control on the organ, so maybe it does something
leslie-like. I should know more Wednesday pm, and I'll post here.

I''m so ambivalent about taking this thing on. It ain't small, and my kid's
more intrigued with the coolness of having an organ rather than hell-bent on
playing it.

What is exceptionally cool is that our church is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to her high
school, and she can literally be there five minutes after school lets out,
to practice when she wants. There is thusly no "need" for us to even have
an organ.

I really would love a copy of that recording, even just a few minutes worth.

Carlos

[Carlos Alden]

in article , Cossie
at wrote on 5/24/04 2:26 PM:

> Hey Carlos! Good to see you around here again! They're not giving you a
> Leslie too are they? Some guys have all the luck!
>
> Bill Balmer


Hi Bill. Thought that was you. How's it hangin'?

No Leslie, but it does have the separate cabinet with some odd-looking stuff
inside. There is a vibrato control on the organ, so maybe it does something
leslie-like. I should know more Wednesday pm, and I'll post here.

I''m so ambivalent about taking this thing on. It ain't small, and my kid's
more intrigued with the coolness of having an organ rather than hell-bent on
playing it.

What is exceptionally cool is that our church is RIGHT NEXT DOOR to her high
school, and she can literally be there five minutes after school lets out,
to practice when she wants. There is thusly no "need" for us to even have
an organ.

I really would love a copy of that recording, even just a few minutes worth.

Carlos

[ScotFraser]

<< There is thusly no "need" for us to even have
an organ.
>>

I'll take it off your hands if it becomes a burden.

Scott Fraser

[ScotFraser]

<< There is thusly no "need" for us to even have
an organ.
>>

I'll take it off your hands if it becomes a burden.

Scott Fraser

[Ben Bradley]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:24:02 GMT, "Cossie"
> wrote:

>
>"Chip Gallo" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Where to get a copy?
>>
>
>Funny you should ask! I was thinking that now I finally have something I'd
>be proud to submit for the next RAP CD collection. Is there going to be a
>next one?????

I would expect (okay, I hope - I don't want to "expect" Harvey and
the others to put all their time and effort into it just because "I
expect it") there will be another one sometime. Maybe when the current
ones are finally sold out...

Everyone go to http://www.recaudiopro.net and order your set now!

But in the meantime, could you make a high-bitrate mp3 of a
selection, maybe even 30 seconds of something, that you can put
online?

>Bill Balmer

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Ben Bradley]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:24:02 GMT, "Cossie"
> wrote:

>
>"Chip Gallo" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> Where to get a copy?
>>
>
>Funny you should ask! I was thinking that now I finally have something I'd
>be proud to submit for the next RAP CD collection. Is there going to be a
>next one?????

I would expect (okay, I hope - I don't want to "expect" Harvey and
the others to put all their time and effort into it just because "I
expect it") there will be another one sometime. Maybe when the current
ones are finally sold out...

Everyone go to http://www.recaudiopro.net and order your set now!

But in the meantime, could you make a high-bitrate mp3 of a
selection, maybe even 30 seconds of something, that you can put
online?

>Bill Balmer

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[Carey Carlan]

"Cossie" > wrote in
:

> So here's what I did: I used those 8' tall boom stands to mount a
> pair of AT4041s in the center aisle about halfway back in the room,
> facing the rear and aimed at the two main divisions on either side of
> the loft. Then I placed an AT4050, set to omni, in the center of the
> loft, behind the organ console, halfway between the great and swell
> divisions.

Sounds like a very useful setup. Looking forward to hearing some of it.

[Carey Carlan]

"Cossie" > wrote in
:

> So here's what I did: I used those 8' tall boom stands to mount a
> pair of AT4041s in the center aisle about halfway back in the room,
> facing the rear and aimed at the two main divisions on either side of
> the loft. Then I placed an AT4050, set to omni, in the center of the
> loft, behind the organ console, halfway between the great and swell
> divisions.

Sounds like a very useful setup. Looking forward to hearing some of it.

[Cossie]

"Ben Bradley" > wrote in message
...
>
> But in the meantime, could you make a high-bitrate mp3 of a
> selection, maybe even 30 seconds of something, that you can put
> online?
>

I'll see what I can do. I don't do any sound work on my computer, so I
don't have a quality sound card or software. I have to think that
converting to mp3, especially with my limited ability to do so, will not
show off this recording in a favorable light, but I'll play around with it
and see what I can come up with.

If anyone really wants a good copy, I'd be willing to dub a cd and send it
out for whatever that costs me, though it may take a little while since I
have to dub them in real time. Contact me off-board.

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Ben Bradley" > wrote in message
...
>
> But in the meantime, could you make a high-bitrate mp3 of a
> selection, maybe even 30 seconds of something, that you can put
> online?
>

I'll see what I can do. I don't do any sound work on my computer, so I
don't have a quality sound card or software. I have to think that
converting to mp3, especially with my limited ability to do so, will not
show off this recording in a favorable light, but I'll play around with it
and see what I can come up with.

If anyone really wants a good copy, I'd be willing to dub a cd and send it
out for whatever that costs me, though it may take a little while since I
have to dub them in real time. Contact me off-board.

Bill Balmer

[Kurt Albershardt]

Cossie wrote:
>
> I'll see what I can do. I don't do any sound work on my computer, so I
> don't have a quality sound card or software. I have to think that
> converting to mp3, especially with my limited ability to do so, will not
> show off this recording in a favorable light, but I'll play around with it
> and see what I can come up with.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/

[Kurt Albershardt]

Cossie wrote:
>
> I'll see what I can do. I don't do any sound work on my computer, so I
> don't have a quality sound card or software. I have to think that
> converting to mp3, especially with my limited ability to do so, will not
> show off this recording in a favorable light, but I'll play around with it
> and see what I can come up with.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/

[Kurt Albershardt]

Cossie wrote:
>
> I'll see what I can do. I don't do any sound work on my computer, so I
> don't have a quality sound card or software. I have to think that
> converting to mp3, especially with my limited ability to do so, will not
> show off this recording in a favorable light, but I'll play around with it
> and see what I can come up with.

http://flac.sourceforge.net/

[Cossie]

Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
and running at:

http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.

I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
long as they're good!).

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
and running at:

http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.

I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
long as they're good!).

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
and running at:

http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.

I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
long as they're good!).

Bill Balmer

[Arny Krueger]

Cossie wrote:
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
> This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> upload it.

No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
fast enough.

> I'm not sure how the sound quality will compare to the
> cd, but at least it should give you an idea of the quality of the
> performance and the balance I was able to get.

> I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it
> (as long as they're good!).

Seems like the mics were too close to some of the pipes, and too far from
others.

Nice playing, and obviouisly a very wide-range instrument whose frequency
range the recording captured well.

[Arny Krueger]

Cossie wrote:
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
> This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> upload it.

No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
fast enough.

> I'm not sure how the sound quality will compare to the
> cd, but at least it should give you an idea of the quality of the
> performance and the balance I was able to get.

> I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it
> (as long as they're good!).

Seems like the mics were too close to some of the pipes, and too far from
others.

Nice playing, and obviouisly a very wide-range instrument whose frequency
range the recording captured well.

[Arny Krueger]

Cossie wrote:
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
> This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> upload it.

No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
fast enough.

> I'm not sure how the sound quality will compare to the
> cd, but at least it should give you an idea of the quality of the
> performance and the balance I was able to get.

> I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it
> (as long as they're good!).

Seems like the mics were too close to some of the pipes, and too far from
others.

Nice playing, and obviouisly a very wide-range instrument whose frequency
range the recording captured well.

[Cossie]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Cossie wrote:
> > http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
> >
> > This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> > high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> > users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> > upload it.
>
> No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
> fast enough.
>

I stand corrected. Of course you're right.

Bill

[Cossie]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Cossie wrote:
> > http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
> >
> > This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> > high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> > users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> > upload it.
>
> No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
> fast enough.
>

I stand corrected. Of course you're right.

Bill

[Cossie]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> Cossie wrote:
> > http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
> >
> > This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as
> > high as I could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up
> > users (like me). It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to
> > upload it.
>
> No, its 8 megabytes or 8 thousand kilobytes. Download over comcast seemed
> fast enough.
>

I stand corrected. Of course you're right.

Bill

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:03:09 GMT, "Cossie"
> wrote:

>Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
>asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
>I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
>so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
>and running at:
>
>http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
>This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
>could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
>It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
>the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
>idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.
>
>I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
>long as they're good!).
>
>Bill Balmer
>

Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.
The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:03:09 GMT, "Cossie"
> wrote:

>Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
>asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
>I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
>so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
>and running at:
>
>http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
>This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
>could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
>It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
>the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
>idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.
>
>I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
>long as they're good!).
>
>Bill Balmer
>

Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.
The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Don Pearce]

On Fri, 28 May 2004 13:03:09 GMT, "Cossie"
> wrote:

>Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you have
>asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them now, and
>I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an mp3 on the net
>so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I think I've got that up
>and running at:
>
>http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3
>
>This is just one piece from the concert, but I made the bitrate as high as I
>could, so the file is big. That's fair warning for dial-up users (like me).
>It's about 8kb and it took me about an hour to upload it. I'm not sure how
>the sound quality will compare to the cd, but at least it should give you an
>idea of the quality of the performance and the balance I was able to get.
>
>I'd appreciate reviews from anyone who takes the time to listen to it (as
>long as they're good!).
>
>Bill Balmer
>

Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.
The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.

d
Pearce Consulting
http://www.pearce.uk.com

[Cossie]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...

> Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.

A man after my own heart!

> The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
> fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
> real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
> pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
> listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.
>

I agree. Unfortunately the actual music from the concert just barely fits
on a single cd, so I had to edit out some applause and silence.

Thanks for the comments,

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...

> Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.

A man after my own heart!

> The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
> fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
> real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
> pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
> listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.
>

I agree. Unfortunately the actual music from the concert just barely fits
on a single cd, so I had to edit out some applause and silence.

Thanks for the comments,

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Don Pearce" > wrote in message
...

> Nice recording - such a pleasure to hear realistic dynamics for once.

A man after my own heart!

> The balance starts out sounding a little light in the manuals, but it
> fairly quickly becomes apparent that it ain't so - very good. For the
> real deal, a little more (about ten seconds) of the recorded
> pre-performance quiet would set up the acoustic and ambience for the
> listener, as would the full duration of applause at the end.
>

I agree. Unfortunately the actual music from the concert just barely fits
on a single cd, so I had to edit out some applause and silence.

Thanks for the comments,

Bill Balmer

[Carey Carlan]

"Cossie" > wrote in
:

> Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you
> have asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them
> now, and I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an
> mp3 on the net so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I
> think I've got that up and running at:
>
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.

I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More reverb
and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
some of that audience noise.

I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion Symphony?

Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

[Carey Carlan]

"Cossie" > wrote in
:

> Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you
> have asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them
> now, and I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an
> mp3 on the net so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I
> think I've got that up and running at:
>
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.

I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More reverb
and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
some of that audience noise.

I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion Symphony?

Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

[Carey Carlan]

"Cossie" > wrote in
:

> Thanks for all of the great responses to this thread. Many of you
> have asked for copies of the recording. I'm working on copying them
> now, and I'll get them out as soon as I can. Others have asked for an
> mp3 on the net so they can get some idea of what it sounds like. I
> think I've got that up and running at:
>
> http://home.att.net/~billbalmer/organ.mp3

Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.

I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More reverb
and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
some of that audience noise.

I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion Symphony?

Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

[Cossie]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
. 201...
>
> Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.
>
> I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More
reverb
> and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
> some of that audience noise.

Yes, I stated that as a limiting factor of what I had to deal with. 8' high
boom stands and no time to set up and reposition.
>
> I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
> much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Try sitting right next to them while trying to sing bass in the choir every
Sunday morning! :-)
>
> Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
> the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

The entire recording was done with no eq whatsoever. Being a new
instrument, I wanted to record it once with everything flat and see what I
ended up with before I started making adjustments.
>
> I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion
Symphony?

I'm fairly sure it's not, but I'm still waiting for a copy of the program so
I can properly identify everything.

>
> Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

Thank you for the review. It's possible that the fact that I had to use
what was available, guess at how to set it up, hit the red button and cross
my fingers MAY have influenced my personal feelings about the outcome! I'll
take it nevertheless.

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
. 201...
>
> Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.
>
> I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More
reverb
> and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
> some of that audience noise.

Yes, I stated that as a limiting factor of what I had to deal with. 8' high
boom stands and no time to set up and reposition.
>
> I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
> much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Try sitting right next to them while trying to sing bass in the choir every
Sunday morning! :-)
>
> Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
> the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

The entire recording was done with no eq whatsoever. Being a new
instrument, I wanted to record it once with everything flat and see what I
ended up with before I started making adjustments.
>
> I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion
Symphony?

I'm fairly sure it's not, but I'm still waiting for a copy of the program so
I can properly identify everything.

>
> Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

Thank you for the review. It's possible that the fact that I had to use
what was available, guess at how to set it up, hit the red button and cross
my fingers MAY have influenced my personal feelings about the outcome! I'll
take it nevertheless.

Bill Balmer

[Cossie]

"Carey Carlan" > wrote in message
. 201...
>
> Overall it's a good recording, but let me nitpick some.
>
> I hear an instrument that needs more room. Can you move back? More
reverb
> and more blend would help. Also, more height would get you farther from
> some of that audience noise.

Yes, I stated that as a limiting factor of what I had to deal with. 8' high
boom stands and no time to set up and reposition.
>
> I'm getting strikingly clear definition of those electric pedal notes--too
> much. They don't grow out of the music, instead they fight with it.

Try sitting right next to them while trying to sing bass in the choir every
Sunday morning! :-)
>
> Those reeds near the end are hurtfully bright. Are they that intense in
> the church? Distance would help, but so might a bit of high shelving.

The entire recording was done with no eq whatsoever. Being a new
instrument, I wanted to record it once with everything flat and see what I
ended up with before I started making adjustments.
>
> I know this piece, but can't name it. Is it from Dupré's Passion
Symphony?

I'm fairly sure it's not, but I'm still waiting for a copy of the program so
I can properly identify everything.

>
> Enough minutae. Overall, it's a good job.

Thank you for the review. It's possible that the fact that I had to use
what was available, guess at how to set it up, hit the red button and cross
my fingers MAY have influenced my personal feelings about the outcome! I'll
take it nevertheless.

Bill Balmer