2004 Eurovision winning tune sounds....'familiar'

[Andybaby]

Hi all,

The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance"
(by singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive
heard somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
recognizable....

...Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody
from?

regards,


Andy
ps Im thinking mabye..Dvorak? .....Tchaikovsky??? or is it a ripoff
off some traditional Greek folk tune?

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> Hi all,
>
> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance" (by
> singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive heard
> somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody from?
>
> regards,
>
>
> Andy
> ps Im thinking mabye..Dvorak? .....Tchaikovsky??? or is it a ripoff
> off some traditional Greek folk tune?

I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

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[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> Hi all,
>
> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance" (by
> singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive heard
> somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody from?
>
> regards,
>
>
> Andy
> ps Im thinking mabye..Dvorak? .....Tchaikovsky??? or is it a ripoff
> off some traditional Greek folk tune?

I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

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[Andybaby]

....its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)

mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!

regards,

Andy
ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
real close..




> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

[Andybaby]

....its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)

mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!

regards,

Andy
ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
real close..




> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> ...its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
> the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)

No, it's because ALW is a plagiarist.

> mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!
>
> regards,
>
> Andy
> ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
> dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
> real close..
>
>> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

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[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> ...its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
> the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)

No, it's because ALW is a plagiarist.

> mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!
>
> regards,
>
> Andy
> ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
> dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
> real close..
>
>> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?

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[Tommy B]

Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
"Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

Tom









"Matthew B. Tepper" > wrote in message
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> > ...its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
> > the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)
>
> No, it's because ALW is a plagiarist.
>
> > mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Andy
> > ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
> > dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
> > real close..
> >
> >> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
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>

[Tommy B]

Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
"Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

Tom









"Matthew B. Tepper" > wrote in message
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> (Andybaby) appears to have caused the following
> letters to be typed in
m:
>
> > ...its a Lloyd Weber toon? I'm not too familiar with his stuff (except
> > the obvious 'hits' EVERYONE knows...)
>
> No, it's because ALW is a plagiarist.
>
> > mmmmm....if you know, dont tease please, I give up!
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > Andy
> > ps. I mentioned Dvorak because it reminds me a *little* of Slavonic
> > dance No. 7, but thats not it. There's another toon Ive heard which is
> > real close..
> >
> >> I take it this means the Lloyd Webber family has Slavic roots?
>
> --
> Matthew B. Tepper: WWW, science fiction, classical music, ducks!
> My personal home page -- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/index.html
> My main music page --- http://home.earthlink.net/~oy/berlioz.html
> To write to me, do for my address what Androcles did for the lion
> Take THAT, Daniel Lin, Mark Sadek, James Lin & Christopher Chung!
>

[Carey Carlan]

(Andybaby) wrote in
om:

> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance"
> (by singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive
> heard somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody
> from?

Never heard of the group or piece. Is there a sample somewhere?

[Carey Carlan]

(Andybaby) wrote in
om:

> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance"
> (by singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive
> heard somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody
> from?

Never heard of the group or piece. Is there a sample somewhere?

[Matthew B. Tepper]

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> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

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[Matthew B. Tepper]

"Tommy B" > appears to have caused the following
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> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

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[Paul Repacholi]

"Tommy B" > writes:

> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

With the quality of the sound engineering, he is lucky. There has
undoubtably been worse, but I can't think of it off hand.

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[Paul Repacholi]

"Tommy B" > writes:

> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.

With the quality of the sound engineering, he is lucky. There has
undoubtably been worse, but I can't think of it off hand.

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[Gareth Williams]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:33:35 +0000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:

>> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
>> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
>> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>
> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

"Lift" implies "exaltedness", and hence is a verb quite inappropriate for
Andrew Loud-Hailer, I would have thought.

"Regurgitate" would be closer, "vomit" closer still.

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G H Williams

[Gareth Williams]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:33:35 +0000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:

>> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
>> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
>> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>
> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

"Lift" implies "exaltedness", and hence is a verb quite inappropriate for
Andrew Loud-Hailer, I would have thought.

"Regurgitate" would be closer, "vomit" closer still.

--
Kind regards

G H Williams

[Alan Watkins]

(Andybaby) wrote in message >...
> Hi all,
>
> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance"
> (by singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive
> heard somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody
> from?
>
> regards,
>
>
> Andy
> ps Im thinking mabye..Dvorak? .....Tchaikovsky??? or is it a ripoff
> off some traditional Greek folk tune?


Firstly, Ruslana Lyzycko issued this recording a year ago and it was a
big hit in the Ukraine (they don't have many big hits).

It was a big hit (possibly) because it is entirely based on ethnic
folk music. I have no idea what tune they borrowed but Mr Dvorak (in
Op 46/72) "borrowed" music from Bohemia, Moravia, Bratislava, Ukraine
and anywhere else he could plunder from.

Haydn borrowed folk music, Khachaturian borrowed it, Kodaly borrowed
it, Vaughan Williams borrowed it (Kodaly and Vaughan Williams borrowed
the SAME stuff), Rimsky-Korsakov borrowed it (quite a lot from
Serbia).

Some of the best tunes of Tchaikovsky were....errmmm....borrowed from
folk music (Think: Little Birch Tree, orchestrated for enormous
orchestra)

Can't personally say about Ruslana but it is highly likely that the
origin of her music was a long time before a "classical" composer.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

[Alan Watkins]

(Andybaby) wrote in message >...
> Hi all,
>
> The winning entry in this years Eurovision - Ukraine's "Wild dance"
> (by singer Ruslana), has a theme, an orchestral 'bit' which i KNOW ive
> heard somewhere before. They've changed some of the notes but its soo
> recognizable....
>
> ..Can / did anyone here ID what tune they 'borrowed' their melody
> from?
>
> regards,
>
>
> Andy
> ps Im thinking mabye..Dvorak? .....Tchaikovsky??? or is it a ripoff
> off some traditional Greek folk tune?


Firstly, Ruslana Lyzycko issued this recording a year ago and it was a
big hit in the Ukraine (they don't have many big hits).

It was a big hit (possibly) because it is entirely based on ethnic
folk music. I have no idea what tune they borrowed but Mr Dvorak (in
Op 46/72) "borrowed" music from Bohemia, Moravia, Bratislava, Ukraine
and anywhere else he could plunder from.

Haydn borrowed folk music, Khachaturian borrowed it, Kodaly borrowed
it, Vaughan Williams borrowed it (Kodaly and Vaughan Williams borrowed
the SAME stuff), Rimsky-Korsakov borrowed it (quite a lot from
Serbia).

Some of the best tunes of Tchaikovsky were....errmmm....borrowed from
folk music (Think: Little Birch Tree, orchestrated for enormous
orchestra)

Can't personally say about Ruslana but it is highly likely that the
origin of her music was a long time before a "classical" composer.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

[Dean]

Sounds just like "He's So Fine" by the Chiftons

dB

[Dean]

Sounds just like "He's So Fine" by the Chiftons

dB

[Matthew B. Tepper]

Gareth Williams > appears to have caused the following
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> On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:33:35 +0000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
>>> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
>>> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
>>> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>>
>> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.
>
> "Lift" implies "exaltedness", and hence is a verb quite inappropriate for
> Andrew Loud-Hailer, I would have thought.

"Lift" as in what a common pickpocket does, which is my point. On the other
hand, the pickpocket has to demonstrate a certain amount of deftness and
skill. Is there a concise verb indicating what a cutpurse does?

> "Regurgitate" would be closer, "vomit" closer still.

--
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[Matthew B. Tepper]

Gareth Williams > appears to have caused the following
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> On Mon, 24 May 2004 14:33:35 +0000, Matthew B. Tepper wrote:
>
>>> Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
>>> "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
>>> Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>>
>> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.
>
> "Lift" implies "exaltedness", and hence is a verb quite inappropriate for
> Andrew Loud-Hailer, I would have thought.

"Lift" as in what a common pickpocket does, which is my point. On the other
hand, the pickpocket has to demonstrate a certain amount of deftness and
skill. Is there a concise verb indicating what a cutpurse does?

> "Regurgitate" would be closer, "vomit" closer still.

--
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[Alan Watkins]

"Matthew B. Tepper" > wrote in message >...
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>
> > Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> > "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> > Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>
> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

Only having done Dreamcoat and Superstar I am just grateful that he
didn't lift any of Verdi's percussion parts. Phew, that was a near
miss.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

[Alan Watkins]

"Matthew B. Tepper" > wrote in message >...
> "Tommy B" > appears to have caused the following
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>
> > Well, Igor Stavinsky once said,
> > "Good composers borrow, great composers steal".
> > Then again, he never heard Mr. Webber's work.
>
> I guess the right verb for ALW would be "lift," then.

Only having done Dreamcoat and Superstar I am just grateful that he
didn't lift any of Verdi's percussion parts. Phew, that was a near
miss.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

"Dean" > wrote in message
om...
> Sounds just like "He's So Fine" by the Chiftons

Don't you mean "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison? :)
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"Dean" > wrote in message
om...
> Sounds just like "He's So Fine" by the Chiftons

Don't you mean "My Sweet Lord" by George Harrison? :)
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[Scott Dorsey]

Alan Watkins > wrote:
>
>Haydn borrowed folk music, Khachaturian borrowed it, Kodaly borrowed
>it, Vaughan Williams borrowed it (Kodaly and Vaughan Williams borrowed
>the SAME stuff), Rimsky-Korsakov borrowed it (quite a lot from
>Serbia).

Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
that tune from.

The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
some totally different Irish name.
--scott


--
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[Scott Dorsey]

Alan Watkins > wrote:
>
>Haydn borrowed folk music, Khachaturian borrowed it, Kodaly borrowed
>it, Vaughan Williams borrowed it (Kodaly and Vaughan Williams borrowed
>the SAME stuff), Rimsky-Korsakov borrowed it (quite a lot from
>Serbia).

Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
that tune from.

The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
some totally different Irish name.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Scott Dorsey]

Alan Watkins > wrote:
>
>Haydn borrowed folk music, Khachaturian borrowed it, Kodaly borrowed
>it, Vaughan Williams borrowed it (Kodaly and Vaughan Williams borrowed
>the SAME stuff), Rimsky-Korsakov borrowed it (quite a lot from
>Serbia).

Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
that tune from.

The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
some totally different Irish name.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.

Q. How can you tell one old time tune from another?
A. By the title.



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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.

Q. How can you tell one old time tune from another?
A. By the title.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.

Q. How can you tell one old time tune from another?
A. By the title.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Alan Watkins]

>
> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.
> --scott

I knew it in Ireland as New Ross Town but I am confident that there
are other titles which I do not know. There are also substantial
variations in the words.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

[Alan Watkins]

>
> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.
> --scott

I knew it in Ireland as New Ross Town but I am confident that there
are other titles which I do not know. There are also substantial
variations in the words.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins

[Alan Watkins]

>
> Yes, but Vaughan Williams did it better. I remember the first time I heard
> a busker playing Seventeen Come Sunday and tried to figure out where I knew
> that tune from.
>
> The ironic thing is that my wife knows the same tune, but she knows it by
> some totally different Irish name.
> --scott

I knew it in Ireland as New Ross Town but I am confident that there
are other titles which I do not know. There are also substantial
variations in the words.

Kind regards,
Alan M. Watkins