Inexpensive Console Recommendations

[Jerry Pillsbury]

I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
Prefer older.

Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12

Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
Recommendations? Websites?

Thanks,

Jerry

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> Prefer older.
>
> Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12

I don't know much about the Syncon, but the Sound Workshop might be a
pretty good bet. The TS12 had a lot of good ideas, but it faded from
the market so fast it's hard to know just how good is really is.

Thing about consoles of that vintage is that back then they didn't use
so many outboard processors so they tend to be a bit shy (by today's
standards) on auxilary sends. Also you'll probably have to replace
power supply filter capacitors in order to get the hum down to
"digital" quiet levels, and replacing most of the electrolytics in the
modules will almost certainly make it sound better.

Have you considered a Soundcraft 1600? That was a lot of console for
the money.



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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> Prefer older.
>
> Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12

I don't know much about the Syncon, but the Sound Workshop might be a
pretty good bet. The TS12 had a lot of good ideas, but it faded from
the market so fast it's hard to know just how good is really is.

Thing about consoles of that vintage is that back then they didn't use
so many outboard processors so they tend to be a bit shy (by today's
standards) on auxilary sends. Also you'll probably have to replace
power supply filter capacitors in order to get the hum down to
"digital" quiet levels, and replacing most of the electrolytics in the
modules will almost certainly make it sound better.

Have you considered a Soundcraft 1600? That was a lot of console for
the money.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
>Prefer older.
>
>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>
>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
>Recommendations? Websites?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jerry
>
>
>

Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and that is
a decent board.


Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
>Prefer older.
>
>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>
>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
>Recommendations? Websites?
>
>Thanks,
>
>Jerry
>
>
>

Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and that is
a decent board.


Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Altasrecrd]

That would be me. I'm moving and seriously do not have room for it. please buy
it! This album was recorded and mixed on it:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70405211647530502&sql=
A37420r2al489


> (Richard Kuschel)
>Date: 5/21/04 4:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>
>>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
>>Prefer older.
>>
>>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>>
>>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
>>Recommendations? Websites?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>
>Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and that
>is
>a decent board.
>
>
>Richard H. Kuschel
>"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
>
>
>
>
>
>



_____________________________________
"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the
votes." -- Stalin .......and George Bush Jr.?

"Patriotism is support for the country, not support for the
president"--Theodore Roosevelt

[Altasrecrd]

That would be me. I'm moving and seriously do not have room for it. please buy
it! This album was recorded and mixed on it:

http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70405211647530502&sql=
A37420r2al489


> (Richard Kuschel)
>Date: 5/21/04 4:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
>Message-id: >
>
>>
>>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
>>Prefer older.
>>
>>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>>
>>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
>>Recommendations? Websites?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>
>Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and that
>is
>a decent board.
>
>
>Richard H. Kuschel
>"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
>
>
>
>
>
>



_____________________________________
"It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the
votes." -- Stalin .......and George Bush Jr.?

"Patriotism is support for the country, not support for the
president"--Theodore Roosevelt

[Jerry P'bury]

How much? Where at? I have never heard of this console.

Thanks,

Jerry

Email me

"Altasrecrd" > wrote in message
...
>
> That would be me. I'm moving and seriously do not have room for it.
please buy
> it! This album was recorded and mixed on it:
>
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70405211647530502&sql=
> A37420r2al489
>
>
> > (Richard Kuschel)
> >Date: 5/21/04 4:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >>
> >>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> >>Prefer older.
> >>
> >>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
> >>
> >>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
> >>Recommendations? Websites?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and
that
> >is
> >a decent board.
> >
> >
> >Richard H. Kuschel
> >"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _____________________________________
> "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the
> votes." -- Stalin .......and George Bush Jr.?
>
> "Patriotism is support for the country, not support for the
> president"--Theodore Roosevelt
>

[Jerry P'bury]

How much? Where at? I have never heard of this console.

Thanks,

Jerry

Email me

"Altasrecrd" > wrote in message
...
>
> That would be me. I'm moving and seriously do not have room for it.
please buy
> it! This album was recorded and mixed on it:
>
> http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&uid=UIDMISS70405211647530502&sql=
> A37420r2al489
>
>
> > (Richard Kuschel)
> >Date: 5/21/04 4:47 PM Eastern Daylight Time
> >Message-id: >
> >
> >>
> >>I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> >>Prefer older.
> >>
> >>Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
> >>
> >>Any ideas? Brokers haven't been to helpful. Got something to sell?
> >>Recommendations? Websites?
> >>
> >>Thanks,
> >>
> >>Jerry
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Somebody had a Peavey 1600 for sale a few weeks ago for dirt cheap and
that
> >is
> >a decent board.
> >
> >
> >Richard H. Kuschel
> >"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> _____________________________________
> "It's not the people who vote that count. It's the people who count the
> votes." -- Stalin .......and George Bush Jr.?
>
> "Patriotism is support for the country, not support for the
> president"--Theodore Roosevelt
>

[Jerry P'bury]

I can get a good deal on the Syncon, but very hard to get replacement parts.
Same with the Soundworkshop 1600. Really tempted on both of these. Haven't
seen a Soundcraft 1600 for sale. Know where one is at? Currently looking at
an MCI JH636 or 428. How about those?

thanks,

Jerry

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1085091324k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> > Prefer older.
> >
> > Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>
> I don't know much about the Syncon, but the Sound Workshop might be a
> pretty good bet. The TS12 had a lot of good ideas, but it faded from
> the market so fast it's hard to know just how good is really is.
>
> Thing about consoles of that vintage is that back then they didn't use
> so many outboard processors so they tend to be a bit shy (by today's
> standards) on auxilary sends. Also you'll probably have to replace
> power supply filter capacitors in order to get the hum down to
> "digital" quiet levels, and replacing most of the electrolytics in the
> modules will almost certainly make it sound better.
>
> Have you considered a Soundcraft 1600? That was a lot of console for
> the money.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Jerry P'bury]

I can get a good deal on the Syncon, but very hard to get replacement parts.
Same with the Soundworkshop 1600. Really tempted on both of these. Haven't
seen a Soundcraft 1600 for sale. Know where one is at? Currently looking at
an MCI JH636 or 428. How about those?

thanks,

Jerry

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1085091324k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > I am looking for a Modular 24-32 Channel Console for less than $3000.00.
> > Prefer older.
> >
> > Considered: Allen-Heath Syncon, Soundworkshop 1600, Soundcraft TS12
>
> I don't know much about the Syncon, but the Sound Workshop might be a
> pretty good bet. The TS12 had a lot of good ideas, but it faded from
> the market so fast it's hard to know just how good is really is.
>
> Thing about consoles of that vintage is that back then they didn't use
> so many outboard processors so they tend to be a bit shy (by today's
> standards) on auxilary sends. Also you'll probably have to replace
> power supply filter capacitors in order to get the hum down to
> "digital" quiet levels, and replacing most of the electrolytics in the
> modules will almost certainly make it sound better.
>
> Have you considered a Soundcraft 1600? That was a lot of console for
> the money.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[xy]

for fixed installation?

the mci boards have "real voltage" going through them rather than
anemic mackie surface-mount stuff. but they are heavy muthas to move.

[xy]

for fixed installation?

the mci boards have "real voltage" going through them rather than
anemic mackie surface-mount stuff. but they are heavy muthas to move.

[Jerry P'bury]

Not interested in Mackie's. I have a 1604 VLZ that I rarely use (not for
recording). I am currently using an older Souncraft Spirit Studio mixer.
Nice but not enough I/O's and flexibility. I don't like the lack of a meter
bridge and I prefer the connector hookups (or hardwire) to XLR or TRS.

I am leaning heavily towards the MCI JH636 VU. Just looking to see if there
is any thing else out there that I might have overlooked.

Thanks for the comments!

Jerry

"xy" > wrote in message
om...
> for fixed installation?
>
> the mci boards have "real voltage" going through them rather than
> anemic mackie surface-mount stuff. but they are heavy muthas to move.

[Jerry P'bury]

Not interested in Mackie's. I have a 1604 VLZ that I rarely use (not for
recording). I am currently using an older Souncraft Spirit Studio mixer.
Nice but not enough I/O's and flexibility. I don't like the lack of a meter
bridge and I prefer the connector hookups (or hardwire) to XLR or TRS.

I am leaning heavily towards the MCI JH636 VU. Just looking to see if there
is any thing else out there that I might have overlooked.

Thanks for the comments!

Jerry

"xy" > wrote in message
om...
> for fixed installation?
>
> the mci boards have "real voltage" going through them rather than
> anemic mackie surface-mount stuff. but they are heavy muthas to move.

[BASSMANCP]

Hi Jerry,

If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a Sony
3000 in that range if you are patient. That
console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
upgrades.
It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes Dooley's
excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking prices, I
have
seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
Good luck!
Chris P

[BASSMANCP]

Hi Jerry,

If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a Sony
3000 in that range if you are patient. That
console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
upgrades.
It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes Dooley's
excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking prices, I
have
seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
Good luck!
Chris P

[Jerry Pillsbury]

Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.

Jerry


"BASSMANCP" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a
Sony
> 3000 in that range if you are patient. That
> console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
> upgrades.
> It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes
Dooley's
> excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking
prices, I
> have
> seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
> Good luck!
> Chris P

[Jerry Pillsbury]

Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.

Jerry


"BASSMANCP" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Jerry,
>
> If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a
Sony
> 3000 in that range if you are patient. That
> console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
> upgrades.
> It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes
Dooley's
> excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking
prices, I
> have
> seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
> Good luck!
> Chris P

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
> find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.

That's about what I'd expect, too, in general. If you can afford that,
go to an experienced broker/dealer/fixer like Randy Blevins
(blevinsaudio.com I think) and you'll get what you're expecting.
You'll be paying for his experience but he's got more experience with
those consoles than just about anyone and it's often worth paying for
that kind of experience.

I'm sure that, just like anything else that takes up a lot of space,
bargains show up now and then and irrationally low prices are
available if you can afford to wait.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
> find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.

That's about what I'd expect, too, in general. If you can afford that,
go to an experienced broker/dealer/fixer like Randy Blevins
(blevinsaudio.com I think) and you'll get what you're expecting.
You'll be paying for his experience but he's got more experience with
those consoles than just about anyone and it's often worth paying for
that kind of experience.

I'm sure that, just like anything else that takes up a lot of space,
bargains show up now and then and irrationally low prices are
available if you can afford to wait.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Jerry Pillsbury]

Thanks Mike, that is exactly what I have done (looks like my next purchase
will be with Randy).

Jerry


"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1085403501k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried
to
> > find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.
>
> That's about what I'd expect, too, in general. If you can afford that,
> go to an experienced broker/dealer/fixer like Randy Blevins
> (blevinsaudio.com I think) and you'll get what you're expecting.
> You'll be paying for his experience but he's got more experience with
> those consoles than just about anyone and it's often worth paying for
> that kind of experience.
>
> I'm sure that, just like anything else that takes up a lot of space,
> bargains show up now and then and irrationally low prices are
> available if you can afford to wait.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Jerry Pillsbury]

Thanks Mike, that is exactly what I have done (looks like my next purchase
will be with Randy).

Jerry


"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1085403501k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried
to
> > find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.
>
> That's about what I'd expect, too, in general. If you can afford that,
> go to an experienced broker/dealer/fixer like Randy Blevins
> (blevinsaudio.com I think) and you'll get what you're expecting.
> You'll be paying for his experience but he's got more experience with
> those consoles than just about anyone and it's often worth paying for
> that kind of experience.
>
> I'm sure that, just like anything else that takes up a lot of space,
> bargains show up now and then and irrationally low prices are
> available if you can afford to wait.
>
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Analogeezer]

"Jerry Pillsbury" > wrote in message >...
> Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
> find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "BASSMANCP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a
> Sony
> > 3000 in that range if you are patient. That
> > console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
> > upgrades.
> > It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes
> Dooley's
> > excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking
> prices, I
> > have
> > seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
> > Good luck!
> > Chris P

Keep in mind that most analog console asking prices are much higher
than their actual prices.

Even though, a truly modular, professional console less than $3000?
Sure that can be found but be ready for a considerable amount of
maintenance.

I think the typical price these days on a JH636 runs in the $6k
range...if you want one for $3k it's probably gonna be in milk crates
in some dude's garage.

Although they charge more, you might want to consider Blevins Audio
Exchange, they have the parts and experience, and can get one going in
proper shape to actually record with....many of the used MCI's I've
seen for sale are more restoration projects than functional consoles.

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

"Jerry Pillsbury" > wrote in message >...
> Thanks. It looks like the next generation MCI JH636 (makes sense). Tried to
> find one. Everything I have seen so far is in the 10K range.
>
> Jerry
>
>
> "BASSMANCP" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Hi Jerry,
> >
> > If you could add another $1000 to your budget, you could probably find a
> Sony
> > 3000 in that range if you are patient. That
> > console gives a lot of bang for the buck and there are many aftermarket
> > upgrades.
> > It is considerably superior to the previously mentioned consoles. Wes
> Dooley's
> > excellent site has good info on it. Don't be shocked by some asking
> prices, I
> > have
> > seen these sell in the $4K range recently (I have one).
> > Good luck!
> > Chris P

Keep in mind that most analog console asking prices are much higher
than their actual prices.

Even though, a truly modular, professional console less than $3000?
Sure that can be found but be ready for a considerable amount of
maintenance.

I think the typical price these days on a JH636 runs in the $6k
range...if you want one for $3k it's probably gonna be in milk crates
in some dude's garage.

Although they charge more, you might want to consider Blevins Audio
Exchange, they have the parts and experience, and can get one going in
proper shape to actually record with....many of the used MCI's I've
seen for sale are more restoration projects than functional consoles.

Analogeezer