JL Audio 12W6 V1s???

[smullen]

Anyone have the 12W6V1s???

I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about 1200
or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very well.

So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting out
enough...
One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they don't
pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs I
have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
thoughts...

Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best. I
already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of whatever is
popular this year...

[Scott Johnson]

any chance that one of them is outta phase ?


"smullen" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
>
> I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
1200
> or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very well.
>
> So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
out
> enough...
> One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they don't
> pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs I
> have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> thoughts...
>
> Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best. I
> already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of whatever
is
> popular this year...
>
>

[Paul Vina]

How loud is it? If you're looking for mid-150's then yes, you'll be
disappointed. If you want them louder, try them in a ported box.


Paul Vina



"smullen" > wrote in message
...
> Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
>
> I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
1200
> or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very well.
>
> So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
out
> enough...
> One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they don't
> pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs I
> have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> thoughts...
>
> Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best. I
> already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of whatever
is
> popular this year...
>
>

[Daniel Snooks]

smullen wrote
> Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
>
> I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
1200
> or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very well.

Is that 1 cuft of airspace net volume or before installing the sub?

> So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
out
> enough...
> One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they don't
> pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs I
> have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> thoughts...

Is it the volume in general or just the really low frequency that is
suffering? I am thinking that 1.25 - 1.5 cuft would be a better target for
enclosure volume, have you used polyfill at all?

--
Regards,
Dan Snooks

[smullen]

Nope I verified last night.. I thought it might be possible, but I followed
the wiring diagram off JLs website and went back and checked again..

Also, its not a good way to tell, but I looked at the subs and watched them
all move the same way when I pushed them pretty hard...



"Scott Johnson" > wrote in
message ...
> any chance that one of them is outta phase ?
>
>
> "smullen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> >
> > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
> 1200
> > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
well.
> >
> > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
> out
> > enough...
> > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
don't
> > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs
I
> > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > thoughts...
> >
> > Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best. I
> > already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of
whatever
> is
> > popular this year...
> >
> >
>
>

[smullen]

I don't know what its hittin. I guess I should get a meter on it and see
what it hits... I'd like to know... I'm afraid I'll be more disapointed..



"Paul Vina" > wrote in message
news:Tq2fb.662008$YN5.508220@sccrnsc01...
> How loud is it? If you're looking for mid-150's then yes, you'll be
> disappointed. If you want them louder, try them in a ported box.
>
>
> Paul Vina
>
>
>
> "smullen" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> >
> > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
> 1200
> > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
well.
> >
> > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
> out
> > enough...
> > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
don't
> > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs
I
> > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > thoughts...
> >
> > Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best. I
> > already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of
whatever
> is
> > popular this year...
> >
> >
>
>

[smullen]

"Daniel Snooks" > wrote in message
.. .
> smullen wrote
> > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> >
> > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in a
> > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting about
> 1200
> > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
well.
>
> Is that 1 cuft of airspace net volume or before installing the sub?
>
> > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be putting
> out
> > enough...
> > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
don't
> > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other subs
I
> > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > thoughts...
>
> Is it the volume in general or just the really low frequency that is
> suffering? I am thinking that 1.25 - 1.5 cuft would be a better target for
> enclosure volume, have you used polyfill at all?
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dan Snooks


Yes, its about 1.0- 1.1 per sub before the sub goes in... I thought that
when a manufacture gave specs for recomended airspace they already figured
in the sub... By your question, I assume thats a misconception on my part.

Its pretty much the volume in general... It seems like it plays everything
well, just not as loud as I'd hoped...

I was thinking that 1.25 -1.50 per sub would have been better too, but I was
running outta space and on the subs documentation, JL had 3 enclosure types
listed, they had one that was 1.0 cu feet and they called it the ""SPL
Monster"" box (yea right) (only if SPL ment Speaker Produces Less)...

If I get some time and money this weekend, I may try some fiberfill. I
don't realy hae the time or money to redo the whole thing... I can post
pics if anyone is interested... Its not all that, but I guess its not bad
for an amateurs 1st shot at making a pretty box..


Thanks to all that posted comments or suggestions...

Scott

[Paul Vina]

Connect them to a 9volt battery and make sure. I have seen instances where
the voice coils were mismarked from the factory.


Paul Vina



"smullen" > wrote in message
...
> Nope I verified last night.. I thought it might be possible, but I
followed
> the wiring diagram off JLs website and went back and checked again..
>
> Also, its not a good way to tell, but I looked at the subs and watched
them
> all move the same way when I pushed them pretty hard...
>
>
>
> "Scott Johnson" > wrote in
> message ...
> > any chance that one of them is outta phase ?
> >
> >
> > "smullen" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> > >
> > > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in
a
> > > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting
about
> > 1200
> > > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
> well.
> > >
> > > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be
putting
> > out
> > > enough...
> > > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
> don't
> > > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other
subs
> I
> > > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > > thoughts...
> > >
> > > Please NO flames and I don't want to debate about which brand is best.
I
> > > already have these and can't really afford to buy another set of
> whatever
> > is
> > > popular this year...
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Paul Vina]

The enclosure recommendations do not account for the displacement of the
sub. Make the box larger or go ported and you'll be happy.


Paul Vina


"smullen" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Daniel Snooks" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > smullen wrote
> > > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> > >
> > > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in, in
a
> > > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting
about
> > 1200
> > > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
> well.
> >
> > Is that 1 cuft of airspace net volume or before installing the sub?
> >
> > > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be
putting
> > out
> > > enough...
> > > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
> don't
> > > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other
subs
> I
> > > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > > thoughts...
> >
> > Is it the volume in general or just the really low frequency that is
> > suffering? I am thinking that 1.25 - 1.5 cuft would be a better target
for
> > enclosure volume, have you used polyfill at all?
> >
> > --
> > Regards,
> > Dan Snooks
>
>
> Yes, its about 1.0- 1.1 per sub before the sub goes in... I thought that
> when a manufacture gave specs for recomended airspace they already figured
> in the sub... By your question, I assume thats a misconception on my
part.
>
> Its pretty much the volume in general... It seems like it plays
everything
> well, just not as loud as I'd hoped...
>
> I was thinking that 1.25 -1.50 per sub would have been better too, but I
was
> running outta space and on the subs documentation, JL had 3 enclosure
types
> listed, they had one that was 1.0 cu feet and they called it the ""SPL
> Monster"" box (yea right) (only if SPL ment Speaker Produces Less)...
>
> If I get some time and money this weekend, I may try some fiberfill. I
> don't realy hae the time or money to redo the whole thing... I can post
> pics if anyone is interested... Its not all that, but I guess its not bad
> for an amateurs 1st shot at making a pretty box..
>
>
> Thanks to all that posted comments or suggestions...
>
> Scott
>
>

[Daniel Snooks]

smullen wrote
> Yes, its about 1.0- 1.1 per sub before the sub goes in... I thought that
> when a manufacture gave specs for recomended airspace they already figured
> in the sub... By your question, I assume thats a misconception on my
part.

That is a misconception on your part ... it does mention in the specs that
the volume they recommend is the NET volume (still, they should just give
the real numbers and save headaches)

> Its pretty much the volume in general... It seems like it plays
everything
> well, just not as loud as I'd hoped...

I had an idea while I wasn't thinking about your problem at all :-)
What do you have the crossover point set at?

> I was thinking that 1.25 -1.50 per sub would have been better too, but I
was
> running outta space and on the subs documentation, JL had 3 enclosure
types
> listed, they had one that was 1.0 cu feet and they called it the ""SPL
> Monster"" box (yea right) (only if SPL ment Speaker Produces Less)...

Typically in a sealed enclosure output and power handling will increase as
the volume decreases, at the same time you are trading off low frequency
extension.

> If I get some time and money this weekend, I may try some fiberfill. I
> don't realy hae the time or money to redo the whole thing... I can post
> pics if anyone is interested... Its not all that, but I guess its not bad
> for an amateurs 1st shot at making a pretty box..

Definately stuff a pound of fiberfill in each airspace.
I would be interested in pics, perhaps there is an easy way to increase the
volume of the enclosures without building a new box.

--
Regards,
Dan Snooks

[smullen]

Daniel,
I still need to get some fiberfill and give that a try... Hope that will
gain some more volume.

I can't remember what my crossover point is as I was fooling with it and
kind of tuned it by ear... I'll look at it tonight when I gt home from work
and reply then with the setting..

As for pics, If you are on Dial up, I'll warn ya... All the pics I have are
pretty high res...

Heres one of the enclosure itself
http://www.teamxratedstl.com/membersrides/stlouismo/chevys10blazer/tempsubbox/DSC02119.JPG

heres one with the top on and almost done
http://www.teamxratedstl.com/membersrides/stlouismo/chevys10blazer/tempsubbox/DSC02126.JPG

Here is a crap load of other pics in various stages.... Its basicly a 4
chambered box, one big chamber for the three subs, one medium for my extra
optima batteries, 1 small on either side of the batteries for power
inverter, video switcher, etc...

http://www.teamxratedstl.com/membersrides/stlouismo/chevys10blazer/tempsubbox/

Looking back on the design, I do realize, I should have built the box
bigger, but I would have lost room for other stuff (extra Batteries, video
source selector, power inverter and crap). I was building this to house all
my other crap and look nice too. I figured, it was gonna be big enough or I
would re-designed it from the start....

I'll be the 1st to admit, I'm not a pro and its my 1st real box I have built
and upholsted... All my other systems I had installed, but I decided I
wanted to learn how to do alot of this myself...



"Daniel Snooks" > wrote in message
...
> smullen wrote
> > Yes, its about 1.0- 1.1 per sub before the sub goes in... I thought
that
> > when a manufacture gave specs for recomended airspace they already
figured
> > in the sub... By your question, I assume thats a misconception on my
> part.
>
> That is a misconception on your part ... it does mention in the specs that
> the volume they recommend is the NET volume (still, they should just give
> the real numbers and save headaches)
>
> > Its pretty much the volume in general... It seems like it plays
> everything
> > well, just not as loud as I'd hoped...
>
> I had an idea while I wasn't thinking about your problem at all :-)
> What do you have the crossover point set at?
>
> > I was thinking that 1.25 -1.50 per sub would have been better too, but I
> was
> > running outta space and on the subs documentation, JL had 3 enclosure
> types
> > listed, they had one that was 1.0 cu feet and they called it the ""SPL
> > Monster"" box (yea right) (only if SPL ment Speaker Produces Less)...
>
> Typically in a sealed enclosure output and power handling will increase as
> the volume decreases, at the same time you are trading off low frequency
> extension.
>
> > If I get some time and money this weekend, I may try some fiberfill. I
> > don't realy hae the time or money to redo the whole thing... I can post
> > pics if anyone is interested... Its not all that, but I guess its not
bad
> > for an amateurs 1st shot at making a pretty box..
>
> Definately stuff a pound of fiberfill in each airspace.
> I would be interested in pics, perhaps there is an easy way to increase
the
> volume of the enclosures without building a new box.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dan Snooks
>
>

[smullen]

I kind of figured that, but building a bigger enclosure is not really an
option at this point... Maybe sometime next year or something...



"Paul Vina" > wrote in message
. net...
> The enclosure recommendations do not account for the displacement of the
> sub. Make the box larger or go ported and you'll be happy.
>
>
> Paul Vina
>
>
> "smullen" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Daniel Snooks" > wrote in message
> > .. .
> > > smullen wrote
> > > > Anyone have the 12W6V1s???
> > > >
> > > > I have a 2DR, 2000 Chevy S-10 Blazer that I have three of them in,
in
> a
> > > > sealed enclosure with about 1.0+ cubic feet or airspace per sub.
> > > > I'm powering them with a Hifonics Zeus and they should be getting
> about
> > > 1200
> > > > or so watts... The box is built out of 3/4" MDF, and is sealed very
> > well.
> > >
> > > Is that 1 cuft of airspace net volume or before installing the sub?
> > >
> > > > So far I'm not happy with the output, they just don't seem to be
> putting
> > > out
> > > > enough...
> > > > One the plus side, I can turn them about 95% of the way up and they
> > don't
> > > > pop, bottom or distort. They sound cleaner than some of the other
> subs
> > I
> > > > have had, but I was expecting a lot more volume with 3 12s... Any
> > > > thoughts...
> > >
> > > Is it the volume in general or just the really low frequency that is
> > > suffering? I am thinking that 1.25 - 1.5 cuft would be a better target
> for
> > > enclosure volume, have you used polyfill at all?
> > >
> > > --
> > > Regards,
> > > Dan Snooks
> >
> >
> > Yes, its about 1.0- 1.1 per sub before the sub goes in... I thought
that
> > when a manufacture gave specs for recomended airspace they already
figured
> > in the sub... By your question, I assume thats a misconception on my
> part.
> >
> > Its pretty much the volume in general... It seems like it plays
> everything
> > well, just not as loud as I'd hoped...
> >
> > I was thinking that 1.25 -1.50 per sub would have been better too, but I
> was
> > running outta space and on the subs documentation, JL had 3 enclosure
> types
> > listed, they had one that was 1.0 cu feet and they called it the ""SPL
> > Monster"" box (yea right) (only if SPL ment Speaker Produces Less)...
> >
> > If I get some time and money this weekend, I may try some fiberfill. I
> > don't realy hae the time or money to redo the whole thing... I can post
> > pics if anyone is interested... Its not all that, but I guess its not
bad
> > for an amateurs 1st shot at making a pretty box..
> >
> >
> > Thanks to all that posted comments or suggestions...
> >
> > Scott
> >
> >
>
>

[Daniel Snooks]

smullen wrote
> As for pics, If you are on Dial up, I'll warn ya... All the pics I have
are
> pretty high res...

I am mightily impressed ... that looks really good. I have a solution that
you may be interested in (now that I have seen the pics)

Invert the subs (magnet outside the box) If you take the time you can make
it look really tidy even with all the speaker wire running around outside
the box. Heck ... just try it to compare the output to your current setup
.... remember, reverse the polarity when you invert.

--
Regards,
Dan Snooks

[smullen]

Thanks for the Compliments...

You know that might be a good idea ... It deffinitly sounds like it is...

if I get time this weekend (I'm outta town Friday and Satuarday) I will try
it. I'll also, put in a few pounds of fiber fill... I'll prolly take a few
pics too... I'll post them and let you know how it turns out...

Thanks again for the help

Scott



"Daniel Snooks" > wrote in message
. ..
> smullen wrote
> > As for pics, If you are on Dial up, I'll warn ya... All the pics I have
> are
> > pretty high res...
>
> I am mightily impressed ... that looks really good. I have a solution that
> you may be interested in (now that I have seen the pics)
>
> Invert the subs (magnet outside the box) If you take the time you can make
> it look really tidy even with all the speaker wire running around outside
> the box. Heck ... just try it to compare the output to your current setup
> ... remember, reverse the polarity when you invert.
>
> --
> Regards,
> Dan Snooks
>
>