Electrostatic speakers for $700.00

[JBorg]

Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=5723862047&rd=1


It says Martin Logan CUSTOM Monolith III electrostatic speakers
and panels are NEW, direct from the Martin Logan parts department.

I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "JBorg"
>Date: 10/4/2004 8:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
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>Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
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>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=5723862
047&rd=1
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>It says Martin Logan CUSTOM Monolith III electrostatic speakers
>and panels are NEW, direct from the Martin Logan parts department.
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>I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
>sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.
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It's only half the speaker.

[Sander deWaal]

"JBorg" > said:

>http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=5723862047&rd=1

>I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
>sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.

Mmmm........I recall these to have about 85 dB/w/m efficiency.
That, combined with impedance dips of 2 ohms, won't leave you much
room to use an average tube amp.
I'd recommend at least a 100 WPC SS amp with enough current reserve
for moderately damped rooms.

They're at 700$ at this moment...............

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[JBorg]

> Sander deWaal" wrote
>> JBorg" said:
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>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=14993&item=5723862047&rd=1
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>> I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
>> sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.
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> Mmmm........I recall these to have about 85 dB/w/m efficiency.
> That, combined with impedance dips of 2 ohms, won't leave you much
> room to use an average tube amp.
> I'd recommend at least a 100 WPC SS amp with enough current reserve
> for moderately damped rooms.

Tubes are, of course, the way to go with these fine speakers. I understand
via
direct testimony from Dr. Richman who owns similar model that he uses tubes
amps at minimum power yet able to keep them panels happy and gay.

SS amps at 200w per ch, hey, everybody has one of those this ng.


> They're at 700$ at this moment...............

[JBorg]

> S888Wheel wrote
>> JBorg wrote
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>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
>>
>> It says Martin Logan CUSTOM Monolith III electrostatic speakers
>> and panels are NEW, direct from the Martin Logan parts department.
>>
>> I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
>> sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.
>>
>>
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> It's only half the speaker.


I can't find the info. saying so. If you're right, well, I hope they make it
clear. I would assume though that it would cost an additional $200+
for delivery.

[JBorg]

> François Yves Le Gal wrote
>> JBorg wrote:
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>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
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> The seller has no feedback; he has just re-registered under a new handle;
> there are no such things as ML "custom" Monolith III; the Monolith III is a
> complete system, including panels as well as woofer coupled thru custom
> electronics; the Monolith III was discontinued by Martin Logan in 2001.
>
> http://www.martinloganowners.com/ph_monolithIII.html


So far, apparently you're correct. At least potential interested members of
rao knows. I thought Ebay sellers are legit.

[Bruce J. Richman]

JBorg wrote:


>> François Yves Le Gal wrote
>>> JBorg wrote:
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>>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
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>> The seller has no feedback; he has just re-registered under a new handle;
>> there are no such things as ML "custom" Monolith III; the Monolith III is a
>> complete system, including panels as well as woofer coupled thru custom
>> electronics; the Monolith III was discontinued by Martin Logan in 2001.
>>
>> http://www.martinloganowners.com/ph_monolithIII.html
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>So far, apparently you're correct. At least potential interested members of
>rao knows. I thought Ebay sellers are legit.
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I think, in general, eBay posters are legitimate. However, this posters should
not have advertised these as "custom Monolith IIIs", which are, as both Scott
and Yves said, different speakers. The Monlith IIIs consist in essence of the
panel used in the CLZ II speakers, a crossover (either passive or electronic)
and a 12" conventional woofer in its bottom section. It is unclear from the ad
whether the advertised panels can be run full range with a lower limit of 35 Hz
(-3db) as is the case with the CLS II full range electrostatics.

Bruce J. Richman

[JBorg]

> S888Wheel wrote
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> It's only half the speaker.

Okey, I wasn't so familiar with the higher models from M-L
ie Monolith vs CLZ

[JBorg]

> Bruce J. Richman wrote
>> JBorg wrote:
>>> François Yves Le Gal wrote
>>>> JBorg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
>>>
>>> The seller has no feedback; he has just re-registered under a new handle;
>>> there are no such things as ML "custom" Monolith III; the Monolith III is
>>> a complete system, including panels as well as woofer coupled thru custom
>>> electronics; the Monolith III was discontinued by Martin Logan in 2001.
>>>
>>> http://www.martinloganowners.com/ph_monolithIII.html
>>
>>
>> So far, apparently you're correct. At least potential interested members
>> of rao knows. I thought Ebay sellers are legit.
>>
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> I think, in general, eBay posters are legitimate. However, this posters
> should not have advertised these as "custom Monolith IIIs", which are, as
> both Scott and Yves said, different speakers.

Yes, I presented it as the way it was advertise and I'm glad both gentlemen
caught it.


> The Monlith IIIs consist in
> essence of the panel used in the CLZ II speakers, a crossover (either
> passive or electronic) and a 12" conventional woofer in its bottom section.
> It is unclear from the ad whether the advertised panels can be run full
> range with a lower limit of 35 Hz (-3db) as is the case with the CLS II
> full range electrostatics.
>
> Bruce J. Richman

Assuming the seller's intention isn't to commit fraud, he/she probably meant
these speakers to be none other than the CLZ.


Waiiittt, I check again... these speakers could actually be Monolith cut in
half
with panels that is about 2 x 4 as it say !! along with what seem to me a
x-over
black box behind each panel.........LOL!

[JBorg]

> Roger McDodger wrote in message
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> Ebay only hosts the auctions. It's up to buyers to assess the
> legitimacy of a sale using Ebay tools; feedback, sellers
> history etc.


For that matter, audiophiles shouldn't take 'em seriously.
Their corp. HQ there at Cambell is huge and accupies several
blocks like Disney land with sexy receptionist. I envision Lionel
going there taking one as hostage to the rooftop.

[S888Wheel]

>From: "JBorg"
>Date: 10/4/2004 9:03 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
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>> S888Wheel wrote
>>> JBorg wrote
>>
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>>>
>>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
>>>
>>> It says Martin Logan CUSTOM Monolith III electrostatic speakers
>>> and panels are NEW, direct from the Martin Logan parts department.
>>>
>>> I understand that this panels doesn't really takes lots a power to
>>> sing. It's a shammmeee I don't have an account.
>>>
>>>
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>> It's only half the speaker.
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>I can't find the info. saying so.

Iv'e seen and heard Monoliths first hand. They are hybrids with cone woofers.

If you're right, well, I hope they make it
>clear.

Doesn't look like the seller is making it clear at all.


I would assume though that it would cost an additional $200+
>for delivery.
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[S888Wheel]

>From: (Bruce J. Richman)
>Date: 10/4/2004 10:02 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
>
>JBorg wrote:
>
>
>>> François Yves Le Gal wrote
>>>> JBorg wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
>>>
>>> The seller has no feedback; he has just re-registered under a new handle;
>>> there are no such things as ML "custom" Monolith III; the Monolith III is
>a
>>> complete system, including panels as well as woofer coupled thru custom
>>> electronics; the Monolith III was discontinued by Martin Logan in 2001.
>>>
>>> http://www.martinloganowners.com/ph_monolithIII.html
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>>So far, apparently you're correct. At least potential interested members of
>>rao knows. I thought Ebay sellers are legit.
>>
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>I think, in general, eBay posters are legitimate. However, this posters
>should
>not have advertised these as "custom Monolith IIIs", which are, as both Scott
>and Yves said, different speakers. The Monlith IIIs consist in essence of
>the
>panel used in the CLZ II speakers, a crossover (either passive or electronic)
>and a 12" conventional woofer in its bottom section.

The panels in the Monolith and the CLS are acually quite different.


It is unclear from the
>ad
>whether the advertised panels can be run full range with a lower limit of 35
>Hz
>(-3db) as is the case with the CLS II full range electrostatics.

Highley unlikely they could.

[S888Wheel]

>From: The Devil
>Date: 10/4/2004 3:16 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
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>On 04 Oct 2004 21:38:27 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
>
>>Doesn't look like the seller is making it clear at all.
>
>Do you think if a decorator accidentally gunged you with wallpaper
>paste and stuck you to a wall anyone would notice you?
>
I never thought about it. Did you go unnoticed? How long did it take to realize
what happened the first time you had to deal with this problem?

[S888Wheel]

>From: The Devil
>Date: 10/4/2004 3:19 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: >
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>On 04 Oct 2004 21:41:25 GMT, (S888Wheel) wrote:
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>>Highley unlikely they could.
>
>Do you collect mould, spores and fungus?
>
>You remind me of the floor I walk on.
>


You remind me of someone who gets drunk and sings Karaoke in his basement,
alone.

[Peter Thomas]

On Mon, 04 Oct 2004 18:03:53 +0100, Roger McDodger
> wrote:

>>>> Now on E-bay for the bidding, ... but no one is bidding. :-(
>>> The seller has no feedback; he has just re-registered under a new handle;
>>> there are no such things as ML "custom" Monolith III; the Monolith III is a
>>> complete system, including panels as well as woofer coupled thru custom
>>> electronics; the Monolith III was discontinued by Martin Logan in 2001.
>>> http://www.martinloganowners.com/ph_monolithIII.html
>>So far, apparently you're correct. At least potential interested members of
>>rao knows. I thought Ebay sellers are legit.
>Ebay only hosts the auctions. It's up to buyers to assess the
>legitimacy of a sale using Ebay tools; feedback, sellers history etc.

I hear there's an eclectic range of goods available from eBay. Seen
anything good lately, Paul?

--
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inn [dot] ¦ time on." - Copyright infringer Nick Humphries talking about me.
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[Peter Thomas]

On Wed, 06 Oct 2004 16:34:14 +0100, Roger McDodger
> wrote:

>>I hear there's an eclectic range of goods available from eBay. Seen
>>anything good lately, Paul?
>Hi there, Stalker!

Eh?

>Yes, I've seen various items of soiled underwear which would make a
>good lining for a gas mask I have, the innards of which have perished.

Soiled underwear? Ugh.

--
pete [at] ¦ "I was so upset
horseshoe ¦ that I cried
[hyphen] ¦ all the way to
inn [dot] ¦ the chip-shop"
co [dot] uk¦ - Jilted John