Out of opinions

[Carl Valle]

I have run out of opinions to share with you all
If I come up with one I may share it
Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading

[Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt]

"George M. Middius" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Carl Valle said:
>
>> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
>> If I come up with one I may share it
>> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
>
> We've been known to discuss beer and whisky, sweetie.
>

Can we discuss tequila and margaritas for a change?

Cheers,

Margaret

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Carl Valle" > wrote:

> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> If I come up with one I may share it
> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
>
>

The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
Agree or disagree?

Stephen

[New Geoff]

"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" wondered...

> Can we discuss tequila and margaritas for a change?

And what do you do with the worm?
My memory always seems to take a few hours holiday after ingesting . . . .

_______
Geoff B

[Lionel]

Carl Valle wrote:
> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> If I come up with one I may share it
> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading.

I guess that when McKelvy will write the above the pigs will fly...

[paul packer]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2004 23:20:40 GMT, "Carl Valle" >
wrote:

>I have run out of opinions to share with you all
>If I come up with one I may share it
>Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading


It's a terrible thing to be out of opinions. I've been trying to
imagine it and getting the shakes.

[Sander deWaal]

Lionel > said:

>I guess that when McKelvy will write the above the pigs will fly...

You could learn a thing or two about loudspeakers from him, you
know.....

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>I guess that when McKelvy will write the above the pigs will fly...
>
>
> You could learn a thing or two about loudspeakers from him, you
> know.....

No doubt that I can learn many things about loudspeakers or Hifi from
him since he has an experience.
You cannot find a guy more modest than me concerning the very few things
I had the chance to learn AND to understand.
I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(

[Sander deWaal]

Lionel > said:

>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(

Is that a bad thing?

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(
>
>
> Is that a bad thing?

To learn is never a bad thing, never.
I just note that what Sackman has to share is mostly desabused hatred
and incongruity. He has given a reality to my worst premonitions. :-(

[Clyde Slick]

"Lionel" > wrote in message
...
> Sander deWaal wrote:
>> Lionel > said:
>>
>>
>>>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(
>>
>>
>> Is that a bad thing?
>
> To learn is never a bad thing, never.
> I just note that what Sackman has to share is mostly desabused hatred and
> incongruity. He has given a reality to my worst premonitions. :-(

My pleasure to cause you such discomfort.

[Sander deWaal]

Lionel > said:

>>>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(

>> Is that a bad thing?

>To learn is never a bad thing, never.

Then why the :-( icon behind your sentence?

>I just note that what Sackman has to share is mostly desabused hatred
>and incongruity. He has given a reality to my worst premonitions. :-(

I think we should focus a bit more on the audio information that can
be shared.
I wouldn't hesitate to ask Michael for advice in speakers, though I
certainly don't agree with him on some political issues.
I try to keep audio and the rest separated.

Politics is a nasty business, best to steer away from it when it
emerges on RAO.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Robert Morein]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Carl Valle" > wrote:
>
> > I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> > If I come up with one I may share it
> > Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
> >
> >
>
> The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> Agree or disagree?
>
> Stephen

Exceeded only by the Radio Shack Linaeum.

[Bruce J. Richman]

Robert Morein wrote:


>"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
>> In article >,
>> "Carl Valle" > wrote:
>>
>> > I have run out of opinions to share with you all
>> > If I come up with one I may share it
>> > Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
>> >
>> >
>>
>> The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
>> Agree or disagree?
>>
>> Stephen
>
>Exceeded only by the Radio Shack Linaeum.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Or by electrostatic panels from several manufacturers (Quad, Martin Logan,
Sound Labs), as well as the Magnepan Ribbon.


Bruce J. Richman

[Lionel]

Clyde Slick wrote:
> "Lionel" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Sander deWaal wrote:
>>
>>>Lionel > said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(
>>>
>>>
>>>Is that a bad thing?
>>
>>To learn is never a bad thing, never.
>>I just note that what Sackman has to share is mostly desabused hatred and
>>incongruity. He has given a reality to my worst premonitions. :-(
>
>
> My pleasure to cause you such discomfort.

;-)

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>>>I have learnt a lot from you too. :-(
>
>
>
>>>Is that a bad thing?
>
>
>>To learn is never a bad thing, never.
>
>
> Then why the :-( icon behind your sentence?


Explanation below.


>>I just note that what Sackman has to share is mostly desabused hatred
>>and incongruity. He has given a reality to my worst premonitions. :-(
>
>
> I think we should focus a bit more on the audio information that can
> be shared.
> I wouldn't hesitate to ask Michael for advice in speakers, though I
> certainly don't agree with him on some political issues.
> I try to keep audio and the rest separated.
> Politics is a nasty business, best to steer away from it when it
> emerges on RAO.

Politics isn't a nasty business. There isn't any nasty business only
nasty persons.
Just watch the way you are focusing on "audio" with Krueger and
Ferstler, a newbie would say "audio is a nasty business too".

:-)

[Sander deWaal]

Lionel > said:

>Politics isn't a nasty business. There isn't any nasty business only
>nasty persons.

Power corrupts.
It's more obvious in politics than in business, but nevertheless it
happens.

>Just watch the way you are focusing on "audio" with Krueger and
>Ferstler, a newbie would say "audio is a nasty business too".

That is because it is only a hobby, you will note.
You lunatic fringe audio neurotics will never cease to amaze me,
Slick. The amount of vinyl and tube idiots on this forum is appalling
to me, and perhaps I will write another footnote or two, note, to
another plagiarized article that is about to be printed in the
Sensible Sound somewhere next year when I am due to pay my rent.

At least, my books keep the humidity level of my wife's grand piano
(which is a Baldwin, as you may have noted) at a steady 440 Hz, whilst
at the same time decreasing IMD to deafening silence.

Did you know that I have direct access to all great audio writers of
the past century? You definitely should read my books, all four of
them which are however not available in print at this moment, unless
you have access to a book antiquary, but I will do my best to rehash
as much as possible of my past work here in this forum, note.

However, when I put my Allisons in all four corners of my toilet,
there is at least a chance to hear music as it was intended by Bach.

Or so it seems. Bach never knew about subwoofers, obviously, but that
is compensated for by my patented microphone technique, which probably
will fly over your head all the same.

To cast pearls before swine is my mission, note, and I will not cease
to put this under your gullible noses as much as I possibly can
without getting my pants wet.

Mozart was a fraud, note, and so is Atkinson.

Published anything lately, Clyde?

>:-)

I though so. Haw haw haw!

Gotta hurry now, the roof just blew off.




Howard Ferstler


Howard Ferstler

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>Politics isn't a nasty business. There isn't any nasty business only
>>nasty persons.
>
>
> Power corrupts.
> It's more obvious in politics than in business, but nevertheless it
> happens.

Power corrupts in all businesses, audio included.
You don't want to be a guru and you do your best to stay modest. But
because you want some fun, you are mocking an idiot who surely desserve
your irony, you watch behind and you see that you are towing a band of
freaks, losers and introverts who have other reasons than yours to
imitate you...

[Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt]

"Carl Valle" > wrote in message
. ..
>I have run out of opinions to share with you all

"Tis better to have had and run out than never had at all." Like poor
Howard.

> If I come up with one I may share it
> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
>

I tried Stereophile *again* a while ago but it really bored me. I want group
tests and equipment shootouts with real rankings, winners and losers, grades
from zero to five stars. I want someone ballsy enough to say A is better
than B and C *SUCKS* when it is warranted. I also want tests of entire
systems as opposed to single components. I want standardized rooms where the
tests are conducted. And I want MUCH more attention paid to acoustics issues
in general. I also want standardized software. Without room and software
standards it is all meaningless, more or less. And I want tests conducted by
teams of reviewers. And I want periodic customer surveys of overall
equipment and dealer satisfaction, initial quality and customer service.

And Goddamn I want some women involved. Not just some abused babbling idiot
audiophile spouse. The era of gentleman reviewers who do it "on the side"
cannot pass soon enough. Until that happens, I probably won't go back. ****
the concerns about advertisers. The winners will keep advertising at any
rate. And the losers will either improve and try again or, deservedly, go
out of business.

John Atkinson seems like a great guy. Doesn't he ever read the car and photo
magazines (hint, hint)...

Cheers,

Margaret


PS. This is after four Oro de Mi Tierras so I don't feel like holding
back...

[MINe 109]

In article >,
Roger McDodger > wrote:

> "MINe 109" emitted :
>
> >> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> >> If I come up with one I may share it
> >> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
> >>
> >>
> >
> >The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> >Agree or disagree?
>
> I recognize the quote.. it's from a Stereophile review of JM Lab
> speakers isn't it. What's your opinion??

Yep, I left the magazine open to that page so long that the pull quote
in red is stuck in memory.

I haven't heard the tweeter in question, but the description of its
performance in Stereophile does seem similar to what Quad, etc, owners
already enjoy, as others have pointed out. Of course, if the improved
performance really does translate to better sound, hats off to JM Labs.

In general, I wonder if a really good tweeter wouldn't just reveal how
nasty most recordings are.

Stephen

[Sander deWaal]

Lionel > said:

>Power corrupts in all businesses, audio included.
>You don't want to be a guru and you do your best to stay modest. But
>because you want some fun, you are mocking an idiot who surely desserve
>your irony, you watch behind and you see that you are towing a band of
>freaks, losers and introverts who have other reasons than yours to
>imitate you...

I never look behind me, I look only forward :-)
But who's imitating me? It seems to me that I'm trying to imitate some
others as close as possible, but with an ironical twist.

In his own way, Howard *is* an original.
His writings stand out clearly in RAO, and that's why he's so easy to
imitate.

I'm trying to keep things humorous and not too nasty. Do I need to
change my perspective, in your opinion?

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Sander deWaal]

"Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt" > said:

>And Goddamn I want some women involved. Not just some abused babbling idiot
>audiophile spouse. The era of gentleman reviewers who do it "on the side"
>cannot pass soon enough. Until that happens, I probably won't go back. ****
>the concerns about advertisers. The winners will keep advertising at any
>rate. And the losers will either improve and try again or, deservedly, go
>out of business.

Well, with your experience, system and outlook, you would definitely
be a candidate for reviewing high end equipment.
What's keeping you? :-)

John (Atkinson), take note!
A lady with more cojones than all of your current reviewers combined
deserves a chance, don't you think? :-)

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>Power corrupts in all businesses, audio included.
>>You don't want to be a guru and you do your best to stay modest. But
>>because you want some fun, you are mocking an idiot who surely desserve
>>your irony, you watch behind and you see that you are towing a band of
>>freaks, losers and introverts who have other reasons than yours to
>>imitate you...
>
>
> I never look behind me, I look only forward :-)
> But who's imitating me? It seems to me that I'm trying to imitate some
> others as close as possible, but with an ironical twist.
>
> In his own way, Howard *is* an original.
> His writings stand out clearly in RAO, and that's why he's so easy to
> imitate.
>
> I'm trying to keep things humorous and not too nasty. Do I need to
> change my perspective, in your opinion?

Certainly No.
But because you are an intellignet guy, I doubt that you ignore that
some of the guys who use to follow you in this way do that for
humoristic purposes only.

[Lionel]

Sander deWaal wrote:
> Lionel > said:
>
>
>>Power corrupts in all businesses, audio included.
>>You don't want to be a guru and you do your best to stay modest. But
>>because you want some fun, you are mocking an idiot who surely desserve
>>your irony, you watch behind and you see that you are towing a band of
>>freaks, losers and introverts who have other reasons than yours to
>>imitate you...
>
>
> I never look behind me, I look only forward :-)
> But who's imitating me? It seems to me that I'm trying to imitate some
> others as close as possible, but with an ironical twist.
>
> In his own way, Howard *is* an original.
> His writings stand out clearly in RAO, and that's why he's so easy to
> imitate.
>
> I'm trying to keep things humorous and not too nasty. Do I need to
> change my perspective, in your opinion?

No, certainly no.
But as you are an intelligent guy, I doubt that you ignore that some of
the guys who follow you in this game don't do that for humoristic purposes.

[Trevor Wilson]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Carl Valle" > wrote:
>
>> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
>> If I come up with one I may share it
>> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
>>
>>
>
> The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> Agree or disagree?

**Disagree. Apart from the fact that Yamaha got them working, more than a
quarter of a Century ago, there are more interesting and potentially
superior tweeter technologies available. The ionic tweeter, for one. It's
been around since the late 1930s and potentially offers superb performance,
albeit with a whole set of 'interesting' problems. The ill-fated (but
utterly superb) HD-3P, piezo tweeter from Audax is, IMO, the best more or
less conventional tweeter on the planet. A true pulsating hemisphere (as
opposed to a piston type driver), the HD-3P is bloody good. Beryllium domes,
by comparison, are just variations on a flawed technology (ie: piston type
drivers). Damned Harman killed off the HD-3P. Typical.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[MINe 109]

In article >,
"Trevor Wilson" > wrote:

> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Carl Valle" > wrote:
> >
> >> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> >> If I come up with one I may share it
> >> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
> >>
> >>
> >
> > The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> > Agree or disagree?
>
> **Disagree. Apart from the fact that Yamaha got them working, more than a
> quarter of a Century ago, there are more interesting and potentially
> superior tweeter technologies available. The ionic tweeter, for one. It's
> been around since the late 1930s and potentially offers superb performance,
> albeit with a whole set of 'interesting' problems. The ill-fated (but
> utterly superb) HD-3P, piezo tweeter from Audax is, IMO, the best more or
> less conventional tweeter on the planet. A true pulsating hemisphere (as
> opposed to a piston type driver), the HD-3P is bloody good. Beryllium domes,
> by comparison, are just variations on a flawed technology (ie: piston type
> drivers). Damned Harman killed off the HD-3P. Typical.

Interesting. A quick google brought up Heybrook Loudspeakers as using
the HD-3P for certain models, as well as at least one heart-broken DIYer.

Stephen

[Trevor Wilson]

"MINe 109" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Trevor Wilson" > wrote:
>
> > "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Carl Valle" > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> > >> If I come up with one I may share it
> > >> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> > > Agree or disagree?
> >
> > **Disagree. Apart from the fact that Yamaha got them working, more than
a
> > quarter of a Century ago, there are more interesting and potentially
> > superior tweeter technologies available. The ionic tweeter, for one.
It's
> > been around since the late 1930s and potentially offers superb
performance,
> > albeit with a whole set of 'interesting' problems. The ill-fated (but
> > utterly superb) HD-3P, piezo tweeter from Audax is, IMO, the best more
or
> > less conventional tweeter on the planet. A true pulsating hemisphere (as
> > opposed to a piston type driver), the HD-3P is bloody good. Beryllium
domes,
> > by comparison, are just variations on a flawed technology (ie: piston
type
> > drivers). Damned Harman killed off the HD-3P. Typical.
>
> Interesting. A quick google brought up Heybrook Loudspeakers as using
> the HD-3P for certain models, as well as at least one heart-broken DIYer.

**Considerably more than one. Anyone who has heard the HD-3P is spoiled for
pretty much any other tweeter.

Bloody Harman.


--
Trevor Wilson
www.rageaudio.com.au

[ludovic mirabel]

Just for the sake of an argument. The best tweeter I ever heard (and
managed to find) is Magnat plasma tweeter. One of the flame electrodes
burnt out once. (No other problems for several years.)No parts
available. By luck I found a jet engine repairer welder who rebuilt
it.
You guessed it Bloody Magnat quit producing them about
five years ago. I think someone in Switzerland makes plasma speakers
costing over 20,000 $ US.
Ludovic Mirabel

"Trevor Wilson" > wrote in message >...
> "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Trevor Wilson" > wrote:
> >
> > > "MINe 109" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > In article >,
> > > > "Carl Valle" > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I have run out of opinions to share with you all
> > > >> If I come up with one I may share it
> > > >> Meanwhile I think I'll catch up my BBC and Stereophile reading
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > The beryllium dome represents a quantum advance in tweeter technology.
> > > > Agree or disagree?
> > >
> > > **Disagree. Apart from the fact that Yamaha got them working, more than
> a
> > > quarter of a Century ago, there are more interesting and potentially
> > > superior tweeter technologies available. The ionic tweeter, for one.
> It's
> > > been around since the late 1930s and potentially offers superb
> performance,
> > > albeit with a whole set of 'interesting' problems. The ill-fated (but
> > > utterly superb) HD-3P, piezo tweeter from Audax is, IMO, the best more
> or
> > > less conventional tweeter on the planet. A true pulsating hemisphere (as
> > > opposed to a piston type driver), the HD-3P is bloody good. Beryllium
> domes,
> > > by comparison, are just variations on a flawed technology (ie: piston
> type
> > > drivers). Damned Harman killed off the HD-3P. Typical.
> >
> > Interesting. A quick google brought up Heybrook Loudspeakers as using
> > the HD-3P for certain models, as well as at least one heart-broken DIYer.
>
> **Considerably more than one. Anyone who has heard the HD-3P is spoiled for
> pretty much any other tweeter.
>
> Bloody Harman.