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WVK
September 29th 04, 05:44 PM
I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
Any other opinions?

http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm


"I purchased a pair of Hallographs within 10 seconds of putting them in
a position about one foot to the outside and two feet to the rear of
each of my Legacy Focus Speakers. These are fantastic room defect
correction devices, truly sound field optimizers.

My room is 25' X 21' with the speakers six feet in front of the rear
long walls and six feet apart. I have 2.5 walls lined with built-in wood
LP storage cases for 12,000 LPs and 5,000 78s, two pair of stacked metal
CD storage drawers (4500), two 4X4 side wood casement multi-pane glass
windows and a 3.8" X 8' rear window (same type), rear 5' X 8' equipment
closet (open) and 8' to 12' vaulted ceiling. The walls are 8" to 12"
thick with dual 5/8" drywall, 5" steel rebar reinforced slab floors and
drywall ceiling (not good-highly reverberant). This room has a slap echo
and over reinforces bass frequencies. There are lots of objects in the
room.

I have Grover electronics and ICs, moderately high end front end
equipment. The sound has always been bass heavy, slightly boomy
(dependent on music), always located between the speakers or at the
speaker.

The Hallographs immediately tightened the bass, providing a focused
sound, ameliorating the boom and providing a punch instead. The bass
harmonics opened up. The highs are more open and the mids have at least
twice the resolution. Upon further adjustment by 1/8" to 1/4" swivel on
the top, I was able to lock in the amount of openness (side to side
width) and fullness (depth). Recordings vary so that occasionally I'll
tweak the swivel 1/4" for more openness or more depth.

I also tried a second pair placed at mid-room with the array facing the
speakers. This was too much (as in too much fun)! The speaker sound
truly overcame the room artifacts and delivered a you are there
experience. Placing the second pair along the rear wall (listening area)
did not provide much improvement. I am hoping to purchase the second
pair. I previously used four Room Tunes. They aren't worth much now (to
me) since I installed the Hallographs.

The Hallographs are equivalent of doubling or tripling the speaker
quality, or of installing Grover ICs (well, not quite that much of an
improvement, his ICs are spectacular). Try them for free and see if you
can give them back after 5 or 10 seconds of listening. They are that
good. They are also slight in appearance and don't require me to alter
my room contents, design or place large, cumbersome wall treatments.
Hallographs to the home listening room is comparable to the finest sound
recording studio designs (I have appraised nearly 20 professional sound
studios in Southern California-it's my job).

This is only the second audio product I am endorsing, the other being
Grover's equipment, ICs and speaker wire. I am doing this as a service
to audiophiles and music lovers (they can be one and the same). There
are other products that I like for which I will have to start a new
forum. I am not in the audio or music business and do not receive
compensation in any way. Try it, you'll like it. Stephen

P.S. I really would like several more pairs, one for my living room
system which has Legacy Sig IIIs and one for the bedroom which has
Dynaco A35s."

http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0803/shaktihallograph.htm

WVK

Sander deWaal
September 29th 04, 05:59 PM
WVK trolled:

>I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
>Any other opinions?

>http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm

Yep.
With cobweb handwound trannies preferably done by some obscure blind
and deaf Japanese ex-Zero pilot residing in the Hiroshima area,
Polish pre-WW2 paper-in-snake-oil capacitors, NOS 1964 blue LEDS and
burnt-in Kantal 300Bs, it'll sound even better no doubt.

--
Sander deWaal
"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."

Bruce J. Richman
September 29th 04, 06:33 PM
Sander deWaal wrote:


>WVK trolled:
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>>I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>>those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
>>Any other opinions?
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>>http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
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>Yep.
>With cobweb handwound trannies preferably done by some obscure blind
>and deaf Japanese ex-Zero pilot residing in the Hiroshima area,
>Polish pre-WW2 paper-in-snake-oil capacitors, NOS 1964 blue LEDS and
>burnt-in Kantal 300Bs, it'll sound even better no doubt.
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>--
>Sander deWaal
>"SOA of a KT88? Sufficient."
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I wouldn't be surprised if they were made in Detroit.



Bruce J. Richman

Robert Morein
September 29th 04, 06:56 PM
"WVK" > wrote in message
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> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
> Any other opinions?
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> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
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> "I purchased a pair of Hallographs within 10 seconds of putting them in
> a position about one foot to the outside and two feet to the rear of
> each of my Legacy Focus Speakers. These are fantastic room defect
> correction devices, truly sound field optimizers.
>
IMHO, the owner of this concern should be appreciating his Hallographs from
within the confines of a 6'x10' room fronted by a steel grill designed to
optimize the sound of other inmates.

Bruce J. Richman
September 29th 04, 07:09 PM
Robert Morein wrote:


>"WVK" > wrote in message
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>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
>> Any other opinions?
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>> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
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>> "I purchased a pair of Hallographs within 10 seconds of putting them in
>> a position about one foot to the outside and two feet to the rear of
>> each of my Legacy Focus Speakers. These are fantastic room defect
>> correction devices, truly sound field optimizers.
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>IMHO, the owner of this concern should be appreciating his Hallographs from
>within the confines of a 6'x10' room fronted by a steel grill designed to
>optimize the sound of other inmates.
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If they were manufactured in Detroit, this may well be the case.



Bruce J. Richman

JBorg
September 29th 04, 07:35 PM
> "WVK wrote in message
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> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
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> Any other opinions?
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> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
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> http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0803/shaktihallograph.htm
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> WVK

I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
tweak lovers.

WVK
September 29th 04, 08:51 PM
JBorg wrote:

>>"WVK wrote in message
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>>I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>>those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
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>>Any other opinions?
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>>http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
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>>http://www.enjoythemusic.com/superioraudio/equipment/0803/shaktihallograph.htm
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>>WVK
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> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
> tweak lovers.

I'd rather demean the tweak peddlers.
WVK

JBorg
September 29th 04, 09:43 PM
> "WVK wrote in message
>> JBorg wrote:
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>>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
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>>> Any other opinions?
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>>> WVK
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>> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
>> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
>> tweak lovers.
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> I'd rather demean the tweak peddlers.
> WVK


You appear to think that it takes a tin foil hat to appreciate a tweak.

Are you seeking advice to help you distinguish tweak peddlers from
tweak lovers ?

Michael McKelvy
September 30th 04, 04:52 PM
"JBorg" > wrote in message
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>> "WVK wrote in message
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>>>> "WVK wrote in message
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>>>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>>>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
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>>>> Any other opinions?
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>>>> WVK
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>>> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
>>> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
>>> tweak lovers.
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>> I'd rather demean the tweak peddlers.
>> WVK
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> You appear to think that it takes a tin foil hat to appreciate a tweak.
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For the Hallograph, that seems about right.

S888Wheel
September 30th 04, 04:53 PM
>From: "Michael McKelvy"
>Date: 9/30/2004 8:52 AM Pacific Standard Time
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>"JBorg" > wrote in message
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>>> "WVK wrote in message
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>>>>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>>>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of
>>>>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
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>>>>> Any other opinions?
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>>>> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
>>>> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
>>>> tweak lovers.
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>>> I'd rather demean the tweak peddlers.
>>> WVK
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have you tried it with and without a foil hat?

JBorg
September 30th 04, 05:41 PM
> Michael McKelvy" wrote in message
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What other things would you be using your tin foil hat, that is, if you
don't
mind me asking this rather personal question....?



Do you wear them when looking for bugs ?


Lol!

Margaret von Busenhalter-Butt
October 1st 04, 02:00 AM
"WVK" > wrote in message
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>I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer. While
>I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one of those
>products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat. Any other
>opinions?
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> http://www.shakti-innovations.com/hallograph.htm
>

I can say from experience that they seem to have a noticeable effect most of
the time. Whether that effect is positive or not is a different story.

I had a pair at my house for about a month, handed down by a person whose
Talon Khorus/Roc setup seemed to be unaffected by them in any discernible
way. They did affect my ML Prodigys by severely reducing the soundstage
width. On the positive side, they seemed to correct the slight channel
imbalance due to my living room setup that results in a missing front corner
on one side. In the end I decided I liked the preamp balance control better.
Next I tried the "scarecrows" in my professionally appointed music room with
Avantgarde horns. No effect whatsoever. Finally tried them in my home
"studio" with Mackie HR824's in a midfield configuration and there was a
substantial improvement in sound. Soundstage grew beyond belief and the
sound achieved a level of clarity and transparency that was hard to believe.
However, their optimum placement was so impractical that I finally passed
them on to a new home. They also had a very positive effect on the sound of
my Bösendorfer Grand according to everyone who played it but again, at the
expense of practicality (due to their required placement) and aesthetics
(they are ugly and cheap looking).

However, their new owner has really scored with them. His HUGE VMPS RMX (?)
ribbons really seem to find harmony with them. Like most VMPS owners, he
loves to play large orchestral works with realistic levels and in this
application, the "scarecrows" render clarity and instrumental definition to
music that is anything but subtle. The VMPS's reside in a huge old room with
17ft ceilings, mahogany floors with some thick rugs and mahogany walls lined
with books and records.

So it is a mixed bag IMO - like most things in life.

Cheers,

Margaret

Michael McKelvy
October 2nd 04, 12:38 AM
"S888Wheel" > wrote in message
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> >From: "Michael McKelvy"
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>>"JBorg" > wrote in message
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>>>> "WVK wrote in message
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>>>>>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>>>>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> Any other opinions?
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>>>>>> WVK
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>>>>> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
>>>>> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
>>>>> tweak lovers.
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>>>> I'd rather demean the tweak peddlers.
>>>> WVK
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>>For the Hallograph, that seems about right.
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I won't be trying it at all. Did you lose yours?

JBorg
October 2nd 04, 02:50 AM
> Michael McKelvy" wrote
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>>>> You appear to think that it takes a tin foil hat to appreciate
>>>> a tweak.
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>>> For the Hallograph, that seems about right.
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> I won't be trying it at all. Did you lose yours?



How would you lose something you never claim to have ?


You know, you and Arnii are so alike in your craziness.

S888Wheel
October 2nd 04, 05:39 AM
>From: "Michael McKelvy"
>Date: 10/1/2004 4:38 PM Pacific Standard Time
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>>>"JBorg" > wrote in message
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>>>>>>> I found the following review for the Hallograph Soundfield Optimizer.
>>>>>>> While I am not an acoustics expert, it seems to me that this is one
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> those products that are best appreciated while wearing a tinfoil hat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Any other opinions?
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> WVK
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>>>>>> I browse the url you supplied, and although I couldn't find the qouted
>>>>>> text you provided, I am in the opinion you are a troll to demean
>>>>>> tweak lovers.
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>>>>> WVK
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>>>> You appear to think that it takes a tin foil hat to appreciate a tweak.
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>>>For the Hallograph, that seems about right.
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My what?

Michael McKelvy
October 3rd 04, 05:31 PM
"JBorg" > wrote in message
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>> Michael McKelvy" wrote
>>> "S888Wheel" wrote
>>>> Michael McKelvy
>>>>> JBorg" wrote
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>>>>> You appear to think that it takes a tin foil hat to appreciate
>>>>> a tweak.
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>>>> For the Hallograph, that seems about right.
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>>> have you tried it with and without a foil hat?
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>> I won't be trying it at all. Did you lose yours?
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And yours is quite singular.