Behringer Products

[Siggicool]

I know that a lot of you out there have some problems with behringer, its
products, its service or something else. I can just always say that I didn´t
ever had any of that trouble. I am not a real fan of any kind of company let
it be behringer or nike or chrysler or what ever.
I´d just like to tell you all a little story about one of my good
experiences with behringer and behringer stuff. I can´t imagine, that I ever
had problems with any behringer gear and I couldn´t confirm the troubles
some guys do have with their behringer equipment.
During my time as professional engineer a really good and famous german
pianist call me and told me about his plans to make a CD with some
improvisations. If I had had a grand piano in my studio I would have invited
him but unfortunately I didn´t have one. So we decide to make the recordings
on the great Steinway in the concert hall of his home town. I was very much
concerned about the best way to get him on tape. Eventually I decided to
make it in the easiest possible way. So I took a small behringer mx602a and
two behringer b-2 pro, a small dat recorder, two mic stands, a headphone and
some cables and went to the recording session. I wasn´t really sure, if this
behringer equipment would fit all needs. After setting up the stuff and
listening to the pianist through the headphone I was sure. The behringer b-2
pro took all the important frequencies, the behringer mx602a handed the
signal over to my headphone in a way that really surprised me.
4 weeks later I held one of the CDs from that recording session in my hand
and was surprised once again. And now I knew, that the behringer equipment
fits that needs. Often I heard people saying that behringer gear makes a lot
of noise and hissing. And then the fact that behringer devices are so very
cheap: for most musicians using expensive devices indicates being a
professional musician. I broke with that attitude. Some guitar heros aren´t
able to get good things out of their signature x guitar for $5000 while
other shock you with the greatest licks and speed pickings on a cheap
behringer axe.
And then all the rumors about the way behringer employees are treated. On a
big trade show I visited the behringer booth and had a chance to have an
extended talk to a behringer employee. He wasn´t one of the top employees of
behringer and told me very honest (my impression) about the familiar
atmosphere and the common spirit of all behringer employees concerning their
motto: double the feature half the price. This behringer motto speaks for
itself. And imagine the times when you started making music. How big was
your budget for buying equipment. So stop judging behringer. It is just one
more company with its good and its bad sides. But remember the main point:
behringer makes it .

[LJM]

Yep, Behringer makes it. Most likely it's crap but Behringer makes it.

Jim M

Siggicool wrote:

But remember the main point: behringer makes it .

--
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level then beat
you with experience.

[Bob Cain]

Siggicool wrote:

Paragraphs appreciated.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Analogeezer]

(Siggicool) wrote in message >...
> I know that a lot of you out there have some problems with behringer, its
> products, its service or something else. I can just always say that I didn´t
> ever had any of that trouble. I am not a real fan of any kind of company let
> it be behringer or nike or chrysler or what ever.
> I´d just like to tell you all a little story about one of my good
> experiences with behringer and behringer stuff. I can´t imagine, that I ever
> had problems with any behringer gear and I couldn´t confirm the troubles
> some guys do have with their behringer equipment.
> During my time as professional engineer a really good and famous german
> pianist call me and told me about his plans to make a CD with some
> improvisations. If I had had a grand piano in my studio I would have invited
> him but unfortunately I didn´t have one. So we decide to make the recordings
> on the great Steinway in the concert hall of his home town. I was very much
> concerned about the best way to get him on tape. Eventually I decided to
> make it in the easiest possible way. So I took a small behringer mx602a and
> two behringer b-2 pro, a small dat recorder, two mic stands, a headphone and
> some cables and went to the recording session. I wasn´t really sure, if this
> behringer equipment would fit all needs. After setting up the stuff and
> listening to the pianist through the headphone I was sure. The behringer b-2
> pro took all the important frequencies, the behringer mx602a handed the
> signal over to my headphone in a way that really surprised me.
> 4 weeks later I held one of the CDs from that recording session in my hand
> and was surprised once again. And now I knew, that the behringer equipment
> fits that needs. Often I heard people saying that behringer gear makes a lot
> of noise and hissing. And then the fact that behringer devices are so very
> cheap: for most musicians using expensive devices indicates being a
> professional musician. I broke with that attitude. Some guitar heros aren´t
> able to get good things out of their signature x guitar for $5000 while
> other shock you with the greatest licks and speed pickings on a cheap
> behringer axe.
> And then all the rumors about the way behringer employees are treated. On a
> big trade show I visited the behringer booth and had a chance to have an
> extended talk to a behringer employee. He wasn´t one of the top employees of
> behringer and told me very honest (my impression) about the familiar
> atmosphere and the common spirit of all behringer employees concerning their
> motto: double the feature half the price. This behringer motto speaks for
> itself. And imagine the times when you started making music. How big was
> your budget for buying equipment. So stop judging behringer. It is just one
> more company with its good and its bad sides. But remember the main point:
> behringer makes it .

So....how long have you worked there <g>

Analogeezer

[Matt]

I've never tried behringer products except for a small mx802a mixer
which sounds fine for a mic as long as the input is XLR. However a lot
of employees at the nearby Guitar Center seem to have this thing about
behringer, and they strongly dont recommend anyone purchase their
stuff. I think that if someone really wants to do pro audio stuff, or
even set up a studio, but dont have much cash, then behringer is
perfect. The quality is not so abhorrant that it cant be tolerated. As
a matter of fact, the behringer mixer makes my PA sound BETTER.
Beggar's can't be choosers.

I mean think about it, you can get a 20-channel mixer with about 12
mic inputs for $300. You cant get ANY Mackie for that little.


(Siggicool) wrote in message >...
> I know that a lot of you out there have some problems with behringer, its
> products, its service or something else. I can just always say that I didn´t
> ever had any of that trouble. I am not a real fan of any kind of company let
> it be behringer or nike or chrysler or what ever.
> I´d just like to tell you all a little story about one of my good
> experiences with behringer and behringer stuff. I can´t imagine, that I ever
> had problems with any behringer gear and I couldn´t confirm the troubles
> some guys do have with their behringer equipment.
> During my time as professional engineer a really good and famous german
> pianist call me and told me about his plans to make a CD with some
> improvisations. If I had had a grand piano in my studio I would have invited
> him but unfortunately I didn´t have one. So we decide to make the recordings
> on the great Steinway in the concert hall of his home town. I was very much
> concerned about the best way to get him on tape. Eventually I decided to
> make it in the easiest possible way. So I took a small behringer mx602a and
> two behringer b-2 pro, a small dat recorder, two mic stands, a headphone and
> some cables and went to the recording session. I wasn´t really sure, if this
> behringer equipment would fit all needs. After setting up the stuff and
> listening to the pianist through the headphone I was sure. The behringer b-2
> pro took all the important frequencies, the behringer mx602a handed the
> signal over to my headphone in a way that really surprised me.
> 4 weeks later I held one of the CDs from that recording session in my hand
> and was surprised once again. And now I knew, that the behringer equipment
> fits that needs. Often I heard people saying that behringer gear makes a lot
> of noise and hissing. And then the fact that behringer devices are so very
> cheap: for most musicians using expensive devices indicates being a
> professional musician. I broke with that attitude. Some guitar heros aren´t
> able to get good things out of their signature x guitar for $5000 while
> other shock you with the greatest licks and speed pickings on a cheap
> behringer axe.
> And then all the rumors about the way behringer employees are treated. On a
> big trade show I visited the behringer booth and had a chance to have an
> extended talk to a behringer employee. He wasn´t one of the top employees of
> behringer and told me very honest (my impression) about the familiar
> atmosphere and the common spirit of all behringer employees concerning their
> motto: double the feature half the price. This behringer motto speaks for
> itself. And imagine the times when you started making music. How big was
> your budget for buying equipment. So stop judging behringer. It is just one
> more company with its good and its bad sides. But remember the main point:
> behringer makes it .

[Ty Ford]

>I mean think about it, you can get a 20-channel mixer with about 12
>mic inputs for $300. You cant get ANY Mackie for that little.

Now there's a ringing endorsement! Thanks for playing SIG.

You must have been on vacation when we covered all of this before.

Among other things, we really dislike it when someone posts stuff like you
did. For better or worse, it comes off as propaganda.

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

[steve]

Siggicool wrote:
>
snip
> 4 weeks later I held one of the CDs from that recording session in my hand
> and was surprised once again.
snip

hey, how about putting a few clips from the cd out there so we can hear
the results for ourselves. This is a commercial CD, right?

[proaudiorep]

>
> They make guitars now? Holy ****! Anything that ressembles a Strat? or a
> Paul?
>
> JP

I bought one. The strat-like guitar is $99 street including a 15w
"modeling" practice amp. The amp is sold separately in B's catalog for
$50. If you allow, say, $15 for the included gig bag, strap, cable,
picks, lesson book and chord chart, the guitar is $35 dollars.

Having owned a few strats over the years (including a mint '57), I
plugged the little rig in expecting absolutely nothing. Well I'll be
damned if it didn't sound and play fairly ok. It's actually perfect
for knocking around the house, just riffing around while watching TV
or whatever. If I leave it laying on the floor and accidentally step
on it and bust the neck off, who cares?

It's really kind of frightening, price-wise, that it's almost a "real"
guitar. What is the likely parts cost in China for this thing? Any
guesses? Seven bucks maybe? That is just crazy!

my .02

[Peter L. Pollack]

In article >,
says...
> I've never tried behringer products except for a small mx802a mixer
> which sounds fine for a mic as long as the input is XLR. However a lot
> of employees at the nearby Guitar Center seem to have this thing about
> behringer, and they strongly dont recommend anyone purchase their
> stuff. I think that if someone really wants to do pro audio stuff, or
> even set up a studio, but dont have much cash, then behringer is
> perfect. The quality is not so abhorrant that it cant be tolerated. As
> a matter of fact, the behringer mixer makes my PA sound BETTER.
> Beggar's can't be choosers.
>
> I mean think about it, you can get a 20-channel mixer with about 12
> mic inputs for $300. You cant get ANY Mackie for that little.

How far we've come. It seems only yesterday that Mackie was getting
ripped on with regularity, and now it's become the standard that others
judge themselves decent by falling short of.

-Pete Pollack

[Peter L. Pollack]

In article >,
says...

> I bought one. The strat-like guitar is $99 street including a 15w
> "modeling" practice amp. The amp is sold separately in B's catalog for
> $50. If you allow, say, $15 for the included gig bag, strap, cable,
> picks, lesson book and chord chart, the guitar is $35 dollars.
>
> Having owned a few strats over the years (including a mint '57), I
> plugged the little rig in expecting absolutely nothing. Well I'll be
> damned if it didn't sound and play fairly ok. It's actually perfect
> for knocking around the house, just riffing around while watching TV
> or whatever. If I leave it laying on the floor and accidentally step
> on it and bust the neck off, who cares?
>
> It's really kind of frightening, price-wise, that it's almost a "real"
> guitar. What is the likely parts cost in China for this thing? Any
> guesses? Seven bucks maybe? That is just crazy!
>
> my .02

Just watch yourself so no Asian Longhorn Beetles crawl out of the thing,
or they'll be chopping down every tree in your neighborhood...

-Pete Pollack

[Scott Dorsey]

Peter L. Pollack > wrote:
>In article >,
says...
>> I've never tried behringer products except for a small mx802a mixer
>> which sounds fine for a mic as long as the input is XLR. However a lot
>> of employees at the nearby Guitar Center seem to have this thing about
>> behringer, and they strongly dont recommend anyone purchase their
>> stuff. I think that if someone really wants to do pro audio stuff, or
>> even set up a studio, but dont have much cash, then behringer is
>> perfect. The quality is not so abhorrant that it cant be tolerated. As
>> a matter of fact, the behringer mixer makes my PA sound BETTER.
>> Beggar's can't be choosers.
>>
>> I mean think about it, you can get a 20-channel mixer with about 12
>> mic inputs for $300. You cant get ANY Mackie for that little.
>
>How far we've come. It seems only yesterday that Mackie was getting
>ripped on with regularity, and now it's become the standard that others
>judge themselves decent by falling short of.

Hey, I remember when those cheapo MCI consoles were being ragged on for
having no headroom...

Oh, how low we have fallen.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Thomas Bishop]

"proaudiorep" > wrote in message
> I bought one. The strat-like guitar is $99 street including a 15w
> "modeling" practice amp. The amp is sold separately in B's catalog for
> $50. If you allow, say, $15 for the included gig bag, strap, cable,
> picks, lesson book and chord chart, the guitar is $35 dollars.

Sounds like the perfect guitar for me to practice pulling out frets.

[Jari Pietila]

"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
...
> Among other things, we really dislike it when someone posts stuff like you
> did.

Hey, I did not dislike it. Speak for yourself, please.

-jp

> Regards,
>
> Ty Ford

[WillStG]

>"Jari Pietila"

>"Ty Ford" > wrote
>> Among other things, we really dislike it when someone posts stuff like you
>> did.

>Hey, I did not dislike it.>

That's because you don't know any better.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, "Jari Pietila"
> wrote:
>
>"Ty Ford" > wrote in message
...
>> Among other things, we really dislike it when someone posts stuff like you
>> did.
>
>Hey, I did not dislike it. Speak for yourself, please.
>
>-jp

What, you have a taste for hyperbolic tripe in Finland?

Regards,

Ty Ford

For Ty Ford V/O demos, audio services and equipment reviews,
click on http://www.jagunet.com/~tford

[dwoz]

Siggicool wrote:
> a fawning behringer love-fest.


I take issue with those who say that these are innocent.

The purpose of these posts is to build up a body of testimonials that
will show up on a google search.

Behringer does astroturf* marketing.


The purpose of this is to attempt to create an appearance of a strong,
core group of satsified users.




*astroturf = a cynical marketing ploy, whereby paid shills "put out the
word" on something. The word comes from the term "grassroots", a word
used to describe a popular, citizen-level movement. "astroturf" is
"fake grass".


dwoz

[ChuxGarage]

<<The purpose of these posts is to build up a body of testimonials that
will show up on a google search.>>

I have no axe to grind one way or the other, but the fact of the matter is
there is a large group of satisfied Behringer users.

If it fits your application, great! If it doesn't fit your needs, then don't
buy it. If a $99 limiter or effects device was all "anybody" would ever need,
then there wouldn't be a market for more expensive gear. Think about it...

For a great deal of the market, Behringer is totally adequate, and in fact a
good value for the money. There are other brands that are similar good values,
including Peavey, Allen & Heath, Yamaha, Mackie, Tascam, etc. It pays to shop
wisely, and buy products that fit your application.

Not too many home studios need a Neve mixer.

Chuck