Pro Tools - Can't control fade on bounce to disk...

[Sean Coonce]

Can anybody tell me:
1. Are fades automatically inserted at the beg./end of regions?
2. How can I split my audio track into regions, yet still have it all
sound like one long song after its bounced?
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I'm a DJ and I am recording sets into Pro Tools. I am only recording
to one track and I would like to split this track into regions, but
have the music play continuously(no fade in/fade outs at the beginning
and end of regions) -- so when I burn to a CD I can quickly navigate
between songs, but if I play the entire CD from beginning to end, it
all sounds like one song. Are we confused yet?

I can split this one long track into regions and when I play it in Pro
Tools it sounds fine. However, when I bounce each region to disk and
go to play the tracks in iTunes or whatever, I get this wierd fade
effect that I never intended to create. Basically, it sound like the
end of each song (region) sounds like it has a quick fade out - then
the next song starts and it just sounds funky.

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Sean Coonce > wrote:
>Can anybody tell me:
>1. Are fades automatically inserted at the beg./end of regions?

No.

>2. How can I split my audio track into regions, yet still have it all
>sound like one long song after its bounced?

You can create regions, do your editing and put crossfades between the
regions. There are many ways to create regions. You need to check
out the ProTools reference guide at:

http://www.digidesign.com/support/docs/PT_Reference_Guidfe.pdf

or buy one of the many books that shows you how to edit in ProTools.
It's not that difficult, but if you know very little, there are a lot
of basic questions to ask that really don't help the general public so
much.

>I'm a DJ and I am recording sets into Pro Tools. I am only recording
>to one track and I would like to split this track into regions, but
>have the music play continuously(no fade in/fade outs at the beginning
>and end of regions) -- so when I burn to a CD I can quickly navigate
>between songs, but if I play the entire CD from beginning to end, it
>all sounds like one song. Are we confused yet?

First, ProTools won't burn CDs. You can however create dual mono
files in ProTools from a variety of means, add region definitions to
those, export the regions, reimport the files in a program that
understands both the regions in a file and how to burn to CDs and then
you can burn a CD the way you like it.

Honestly, ProTools can be used in the process of CD creation, but it
has no special capabilities that make any of this easy at all. You're
much better off using some other program to lay out a CD if that's all
you're doing. If you need to do multitrack editing and mixing, then
PT is very useful. For burning / prepping CDs, it's only somewhat
useful and is certainly incomplete.

>I can split this one long track into regions and when I play it in Pro
>Tools it sounds fine. However, when I bounce each region to disk and
>go to play the tracks in iTunes or whatever, I get this wierd fade
>effect that I never intended to create. Basically, it sound like the
>end of each song (region) sounds like it has a quick fade out - then
>the next song starts and it just sounds funky.

Skip iTunes. It's probably converting to MP3 along the way and its
playlist is also doing a lot of stupid things. Get a real CD burning
program or read the manual for iTunes and disable all the nonsense
that it's doing to "help you out".


Best of luck,

Monte McGuire

[Blind Joni]

>First, ProTools won't burn CDs. You can however create dual mono
>files in ProTools from a variety of means, add region definitions to
>those, export the regions, reimport the files in a program that
>understands both the regions in a file and how to burn to CDs and then
>you can burn a CD the way you like it.
>
>Honestly, ProTools can be used in the process of CD creation, but it
>has no special capabilities that make any of this easy at all. You're
>much better off using some other program to lay out a CD if that's all
>you're doing. If you need to do multitrack editing and mixing, then
>PT is very useful. For burning / prepping CDs, it's only somewhat
>useful and is certainly incomplete.

I agree..a real PITA if you ask me..there are other apps better suited for
this.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[S O'Neill]

Turn off fade-in/fade-out in iTunes preferences.

Sean Coonce wrote:
> Can anybody tell me:
> 1. Are fades automatically inserted at the beg./end of regions?
> 2. How can I split my audio track into regions, yet still have it all
> sound like one long song after its bounced?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I'm a DJ and I am recording sets into Pro Tools. I am only recording
> to one track and I would like to split this track into regions, but
> have the music play continuously(no fade in/fade outs at the beginning
> and end of regions) -- so when I burn to a CD I can quickly navigate
> between songs, but if I play the entire CD from beginning to end, it
> all sounds like one song. Are we confused yet?
>
> I can split this one long track into regions and when I play it in Pro
> Tools it sounds fine. However, when I bounce each region to disk and
> go to play the tracks in iTunes or whatever, I get this wierd fade
> effect that I never intended to create. Basically, it sound like the
> end of each song (region) sounds like it has a quick fade out - then
> the next song starts and it just sounds funky.

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
Blind Joni > wrote:
>>Honestly, ProTools can be used in the process of CD creation, but it
>>has no special capabilities that make any of this easy at all. You're
>>much better off using some other program to lay out a CD if that's all
>>you're doing. If you need to do multitrack editing and mixing, then
>>PT is very useful. For burning / prepping CDs, it's only somewhat
>>useful and is certainly incomplete.
>
>I agree..a real PITA if you ask me..there are other apps better suited for
>this.

I'm currently using Sonic Solutions 5.3.2 to lay out CDs, but with the
demise of Masterlist CD, it'd be nice to have something else around
that is suitable for simple reference discs and projects that don't
need the full 'Sonic' treatment... or require a real time dump into
Sonic just to get the audio next to the burner.

To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
and easily? Peak seems to offer this, but I've seen it do some
horrifying things while trying to read simple AIFFs, so I'm not so
sure it could be trusted yet. Is anything else around, especially
with the ability to set track marks while watching a waveform display?


Regards,

Monte McGuire

[Blind Joni]

> Is anything else around, especially
>with the ability to set track marks while watching a waveform display?

I commented from a PC perspective where I use Samplitude for everything from
multitrack to in house masters. It lets you place markers wherever and use any
real time effects while burning. I just added some last minute acoustic guitar
tracks to an already mastered song along with real time compression and
convolution reverb on the new parts..very easy and extremely fast.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[S O'Neill]

Monte P McGuire wrote:

> To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
> and easily? Peak seems to offer this, but I've seen it do some
> horrifying things while trying to read simple AIFFs, so I'm not so
> sure it could be trusted yet. Is anything else around, especially
> with the ability to set track marks while watching a waveform display?

What does Peak do to AIFFs? Nothing I've seen. I've used it for years; it's
quirky in the UI, but the audio handling is excellent. And it does what you want.

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
S O'Neill > wrote:
>Monte P McGuire wrote:
>
>> To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
>> and easily? Peak seems to offer this, but I've seen it do some
>> horrifying things while trying to read simple AIFFs, so I'm not so
>> sure it could be trusted yet. Is anything else around, especially
>> with the ability to set track marks while watching a waveform display?
>
>What does Peak do to AIFFs? Nothing I've seen. I've used it for years; it's
>quirky in the UI, but the audio handling is excellent. And it does what you want.

I teach a class with a lab of 15 G4s running 10.2.8 and Peak 3.2.1
using Digi 001 hardware for audio IO. I gave an assignment where the
students were supposed to rip audio from an audio CD, edit it and save
it as files. The simplest choice was to use OSX to rip the audio, and
the resulting stereo AIFFs would not open cleanly in Peak. It was if
they were 'gained up' or something.

I don't know if Apple's putting some sort of odd metadata in their
AIFFs trhat tripped up Peak or what, but the net result was pretty
severe distortion. We also tried importing from CD directly from
within Peak, and the same thing happened. None of us in the room
could get it to work either. The same files open perfectly in
ProTools LE.

I'd really like Peak to work, but just about every time I touch it, it
does something odd and burning a CD is not something that I want to
associate with odd, unexpected behavior. If I have to do a realtime
QC, it defeats the whole purpose, and I might as well dump realtime
into Sonic.

Maybe Peak 4.x is better behaved?? I did download a trial for other
reasons, but that expired, so I might have to try another machine to
see how it burns CDs...


Regards,

Monte McGuire

[EganMedia]

<<
To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
and easily? >><BR><BR>

I boot into OS9 and use Jam. Boy I wish there was a program like CD Architet
for Mac OSX. It would sell like hotcakes.


Joe Egan
EMP
Colchester, VT
www.eganmedia.com

[Monte P McGuire]

In article >,
EganMedia > wrote:
><<
>To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
>and easily? >><BR><BR>
>
>I boot into OS9 and use Jam.

Not palatable. If I go back to the 'old world', I can just use MLCD
anyway. There will be a Jam for OSX soon, so maybe that'll do it?


Thanks for the info...

Monte McGuire

[Rail Jon Rogut]

"Gained up".. sounds like the data is offset by a bit or more.. which is the
same as adding gain -- I've seen "bad" AIFF files in XP with a similar
issue.

Rail
--
Recording Engineer/Software Developer
Rail Jon Rogut Software
http://www.railjonrogut.com


"Monte P McGuire" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> S O'Neill > wrote:
> >Monte P McGuire wrote:
> >
> >> To that end, what are folks using in Mac OSX to lay out CDs quickly
> >> and easily? Peak seems to offer this, but I've seen it do some
> >> horrifying things while trying to read simple AIFFs, so I'm not so
> >> sure it could be trusted yet. Is anything else around, especially
> >> with the ability to set track marks while watching a waveform display?
> >
> >What does Peak do to AIFFs? Nothing I've seen. I've used it for years;
it's
> >quirky in the UI, but the audio handling is excellent. And it does what
you want.
>
> I teach a class with a lab of 15 G4s running 10.2.8 and Peak 3.2.1
> using Digi 001 hardware for audio IO. I gave an assignment where the
> students were supposed to rip audio from an audio CD, edit it and save
> it as files. The simplest choice was to use OSX to rip the audio, and
> the resulting stereo AIFFs would not open cleanly in Peak. It was if
> they were 'gained up' or something.
>
> I don't know if Apple's putting some sort of odd metadata in their
> AIFFs trhat tripped up Peak or what, but the net result was pretty
> severe distortion. We also tried importing from CD directly from
> within Peak, and the same thing happened. None of us in the room
> could get it to work either. The same files open perfectly in
> ProTools LE.
>
> I'd really like Peak to work, but just about every time I touch it, it
> does something odd and burning a CD is not something that I want to
> associate with odd, unexpected behavior. If I have to do a realtime
> QC, it defeats the whole purpose, and I might as well dump realtime
> into Sonic.
>
> Maybe Peak 4.x is better behaved?? I did download a trial for other
> reasons, but that expired, so I might have to try another machine to
> see how it burns CDs...
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Monte McGuire
>

[Marc Wielage]

On Tue, 9 Mar 2004 5:17:03 -0800, EganMedia wrote
(in message >):

> Boy I wish there was a program like CD Architet
> for Mac OSX. It would sell like hotcakes.
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

That would be Emagic's Waveburner Pro. I've used both CD Architect and
Waveburner, and they share a lot of similarities. Waveburner is a lot more
visual, though I have to confess I haven't used CD Architect for at least
four or five years now.

Waveburner Pro is overdue for an upgrade to OSX, but I was promised by one of
the Emagic reps at NAMM two months ago that they'd have something out
"sometime in the spring" (presumably of 2004).

--MFW