Mike Rivers
March 6th 04, 06:44 PM
In article > writes:
> please explain what exactly the (P) and
> (C) symbols on a CD stand for? Is it correct that the (P) indicates the
> "copyright of the sound recording" or performance or something like that
> or does it mean something else? And what exactly does the (C) stand for?
P is the "phonogram copyright" and it's the copyright on the actual
physical product. It's what prohibits people from bootlegging the CD.
C is the copyright on the song - words, melody, arrangement - the
whole works. It declares you the owner of the intellectual property
and gives you the right to protect the ownership. The copyright itself
doesn't protect protect anything. You need to pay the lawyers.
> Also, if the (C) symbol refers to the copyright of the song (lyrics,
> composition??), why is the record label being mentioned after the (C)
> and not the publisher (or publishing affiliate of the label) since I
> thought the publisher has the copyright of the song?!
Depends on who the publisher is, and what kind of deal the publisher
made with the author. If you're writing the songs and putting out your
own CD, you can be the publisher too, and you'll get to keep all the
money (if there's any). You'll also get to do all the work - hire the
lawyers to sue someone who records your song without paying royalties,
collect royalties from someone else who records your song (and does
the right thing), gets your song to Michael Jackson's producer so
he'll record it and you'll make a whole lot of money.
A lot of songwriters don't want to be bothered with all that business
nonsense (or recognize that their songs are good enough so that if
managed properly, will earn them more money) so they sell their songs
to a publisher. Most nowadays are smart enough not to sell a song
outright, but make some sort of a split deal where, when the song
makes money, the publisher gets some and the author gets some.
> 2/ second, an advanced question!: if you want to cover of a song and
> release it, is it then so that after the (P) your label will be
> mentioned, since your label has the copyright in the sound recording but
> that after the (C) the label (or publisher ?!) of the original artist
> will be mentioned, cause they still hold the copyright of the song?! How
> exactly is that?!
Huh? That was so advanced that I'm not sure I follow you. If you want
to record the cover of a song, first you must get a license (which
will have royalty payment provisions in it). It's still "C" by the
original author, but you are the owner of the "P" that's on the CD
that you make that contains that song.
> If that's true, how come that when DJ Sammy released his album "Heaven"
> which contains covers like "Heaven" and "Boys of Summer", the album
> credits say "(p) + © 2002 by Super M….. Records a division of Gamba
> Music GmbH".
Apparently that symbol didn't come through here intact so I'm not sure
what it says.
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> please explain what exactly the (P) and
> (C) symbols on a CD stand for? Is it correct that the (P) indicates the
> "copyright of the sound recording" or performance or something like that
> or does it mean something else? And what exactly does the (C) stand for?
P is the "phonogram copyright" and it's the copyright on the actual
physical product. It's what prohibits people from bootlegging the CD.
C is the copyright on the song - words, melody, arrangement - the
whole works. It declares you the owner of the intellectual property
and gives you the right to protect the ownership. The copyright itself
doesn't protect protect anything. You need to pay the lawyers.
> Also, if the (C) symbol refers to the copyright of the song (lyrics,
> composition??), why is the record label being mentioned after the (C)
> and not the publisher (or publishing affiliate of the label) since I
> thought the publisher has the copyright of the song?!
Depends on who the publisher is, and what kind of deal the publisher
made with the author. If you're writing the songs and putting out your
own CD, you can be the publisher too, and you'll get to keep all the
money (if there's any). You'll also get to do all the work - hire the
lawyers to sue someone who records your song without paying royalties,
collect royalties from someone else who records your song (and does
the right thing), gets your song to Michael Jackson's producer so
he'll record it and you'll make a whole lot of money.
A lot of songwriters don't want to be bothered with all that business
nonsense (or recognize that their songs are good enough so that if
managed properly, will earn them more money) so they sell their songs
to a publisher. Most nowadays are smart enough not to sell a song
outright, but make some sort of a split deal where, when the song
makes money, the publisher gets some and the author gets some.
> 2/ second, an advanced question!: if you want to cover of a song and
> release it, is it then so that after the (P) your label will be
> mentioned, since your label has the copyright in the sound recording but
> that after the (C) the label (or publisher ?!) of the original artist
> will be mentioned, cause they still hold the copyright of the song?! How
> exactly is that?!
Huh? That was so advanced that I'm not sure I follow you. If you want
to record the cover of a song, first you must get a license (which
will have royalty payment provisions in it). It's still "C" by the
original author, but you are the owner of the "P" that's on the CD
that you make that contains that song.
> If that's true, how come that when DJ Sammy released his album "Heaven"
> which contains covers like "Heaven" and "Boys of Summer", the album
> credits say "(p) + © 2002 by Super M….. Records a division of Gamba
> Music GmbH".
Apparently that symbol didn't come through here intact so I'm not sure
what it says.
--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo