Recording Guitar Question (not the usual...)

[Brian]

This isn't the usual "How do I record guitar" question. I am recording
guitar to be later sent somewhere to be mixed. I have no idea where I am
sending it yet but am trying to get a feel for what engineers like to work
with. I know many of you often talk about reamping. Do you generally prefer
to have a direct version for every guitar part, lead and rhythm?

Here is my tentative plan. Do you think this is sufficiant or overboard?

I am mic'ing a 2x12 with a royer r121 and a shure sm57. I am using a stereo
head (Diezel VH4S) and am sending different sounding signals left and right.
Less bright sound to the royer since it is already bright, and a brighter
sound to the shure, since it is dark. I have tried to adhere to the 3-to-1
rule and to my non-engineer ears seems phase isn't too bad (can it be fixed
after the fact?). The Royer is going to a Great River 1NV, and the Shure to
the RNP. I am also using the RNP to get the direct signal. AD is via Lynx2.
For lead parts, I never double up. I simply have the royer, the sm57, and
the direct. For rhythm I was going to double up which would result in 6
files per part.

Would you be comfortable working with this material? I really want to know
what engineers prefer to work with.

regards,

brian

[Garthrr]

In article >, "Brian"
> writes:

>This isn't the usual "How do I record guitar" question. I am recording
>guitar to be later sent somewhere to be mixed. I have no idea where I am
>sending it yet but am trying to get a feel for what engineers like to work
>with. I know many of you often talk about reamping. Do you generally prefer
>to have a direct version for every guitar part, lead and rhythm?

Having options is nice but the main thing is that whatever you give the mixing
engineer sounds good.


>Here is my tentative plan. Do you think this is sufficiant or overboard?
>
>I am mic'ing a 2x12 with a royer r121 and a shure sm57. I am using a stereo
>head (Diezel VH4S) and am sending different sounding signals left and right.
>Less bright sound to the royer since it is already bright, and a brighter
>sound to the shure, since it is dark.

You think a Royer sounds brighter than an SM 57? Wow, I guess you and I have
different ideas of what the term "brightness" means.

I think you'll be fine as long as you print a clean, flat signal. By that I
mean no distortion or EQ in the recording chain. You can do a lot to color the
sound by mic postioning.
Having a DI version coming straight from the guitar could be useful but chances
are the mixer wont need to re-amp IMO.

Garth~





"I think the fact that music can come up a wire is a miracle."
Ed Cherney

[Druhms]

I would swap your mics around. You might have the bright and dark terms
reversed on your mic descriptions. In any circumstance though, both the Royer
and the 57 are classic gtr mics and both will work fine. I think what is
important here is that you get a good signal to tape without distortion. Stay
away from the eq because you have a good amp and are recording with good gear.
If anything, throw a low cut if you are doing heavy stuff. Phase is
important, but like you said, if it is bad, a decent mix guy will notice it
and just use one track or possibly fix the phase.
JJ
www.BoogieTracks.com

[Raymond]

Brian wrote
>This isn't the usual "How do I record guitar" question. I am recording
>guitar to be later sent somewhere to be mixed. I have no idea where I am
>sending it yet but am trying to get a feel for what engineers like to work
>with. I know many of you often talk about reamping. Do you generally prefer
>to have a direct version for every guitar part, lead and rhythm?
>
>Here is my tentative plan. Do you think this is sufficiant or overboard?

Get the sound YOU want, unless they tell you to play something there way.
At the head of your recording print some tones and give info about what
frequencies they are and what VU they are reading.
The standard tones are 100 Hz, 1 kHz and 10 kHz at -7 or -10 dB's.

[hank alrich]

Brian wrote:

> This isn't the usual "How do I record guitar" question. I am recording
> guitar to be later sent somewhere to be mixed. I have no idea where I am
> sending it yet but am trying to get a feel for what engineers like to work
> with.

Is this for your own account, or are these tracks for someone else's
product? Hard to say what any engineer prefers without asking a
particular engineer.

Get the sound you want, but also include a cleanly DI'd track in case
what you like in the context of how you hear it while working at your
place doesn't fit well with what's wanted at the other end.

--
ha

[[email protected]]

> At the head of your recording print some tones and give info about what
> frequencies they are and what VU they are reading.
> The standard tones are 100 Hz, 1 kHz and 10 kHz at -7 or -10 dB's.

The original poster used the term "files" rather than "tracks",
suggesting that he was using a workstation. Even if he was on analog
and didn't know how to align, I don't reckon your abbreviated
description would really help him....

I think he should just azimuth his Protools and everything will sound
great :-)

[Geetar Dave]

(Garthrr) wrote in message >...

>
> You think a Royer sounds brighter than an SM 57? Wow, I guess you and I have
> different ideas of what the term "brightness" means.

The backside of an R-121 is brighter than the front, for reasons I
don't fully understand. But whether that is still brighter than a 57,
I cannot say.

Has anyone A/B'd a '57 with the back of a 121? I'd be interested in
the comparison.

A friend of mine has an R-121. Perhaps this is just the sort of
scientific experiment that would justify me borrowing it from him.

-dave
www.themoodrings.com (green ring = sounds)