Stream but not download

[Bob Dobalina]

How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?

[Kurt Albershardt]

Bob Dobalina wrote:

> How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?

If it can be heard on the PC, it can be downloaded (with a little effort.)

Real, MS, and Quicktime all have options that are not easily downloaded but all can be bypassed with a little effort, software, or both.

[sachin]

> Real, MS, and Quicktime all have options that are not easily downloaded
but all can be bypassed with a little effort, software, or both.


Does that mean I can record content from shoutcast radio stations
using...say...winamp?

[Bob Dobalina]

It would be good to have that option to protect content for artist sites. I
suppose it wouldn't work without licensing.

"Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
...
> Bob Dobalina wrote:
>
> > How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?
>
> If it can be heard on the PC, it can be downloaded (with a little effort.)
>
> Real, MS, and Quicktime all have options that are not easily downloaded
but all can be bypassed with a little effort, software, or both.
>
>
>

[Bob Cain]

sachin wrote:

>>Real, MS, and Quicktime all have options that are not easily downloaded
>
> but all can be bypassed with a little effort, software, or both.
>
>
> Does that mean I can record content from shoutcast radio stations
> using...say...winamp?
>
>

TotalRecorder.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?

I believe that's done in the server. By "downloaded" I assume you mean
"stored directly on the computer." You're really downloading when you
listen to the streaming audio.

There are programs that can capture any stream, and those that are
ahead of the technology can always be captured simply by recording the
audio as it comes along. Of couser there might be some skips and
stutters, and if it's at a low bit rate, it might sound like the
source is playng underwater, but you can capture it just as you hear
it.


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[Charles Robertson, Psy.D.]

Put only the first half of the tune up. This is the only protection I can
think of.
chuck

"Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
news:znr1077154669k@trad...
>
> In article >
writes:
>
> > How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?
>
> I believe that's done in the server. By "downloaded" I assume you mean
> "stored directly on the computer." You're really downloading when you
> listen to the streaming audio.
>
> There are programs that can capture any stream, and those that are
> ahead of the technology can always be captured simply by recording the
> audio as it comes along. Of couser there might be some skips and
> stutters, and if it's at a low bit rate, it might sound like the
> source is playng underwater, but you can capture it just as you hear
> it.
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Dan O'Dea]

>
> > How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?
>


The question still stands. Although these programs are out there,
I'm sure there are still some folks who don't know about them. Is
there any way to at least protect oneself from the uneducated pirates
until they come across this stuff? In other words, step by step, how
do you set up a file for streaming audio, or is it a special type of
file that can only be created with certain programs? Can I do it in
Wavelab, Cubase, or even the garden variety stuff I've got like
winamp, musicmatch, or media player?

I'm a little uneducated too.
Thanks in advance for the info.

Dan

[Codifus]

Charles Robertson, Psy.D. wrote:

> Put only the first half of the tune up. This is the only protection I can
> think of.
> chuck
>
> "Mike Rivers" > wrote in message
> news:znr1077154669k@trad...
>
>>In article >
>
> writes:
>
>>>How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?
>>
>>I believe that's done in the server. By "downloaded" I assume you mean
>>"stored directly on the computer." You're really downloading when you
>>listen to the streaming audio.
>>
>>There are programs that can capture any stream, and those that are
>>ahead of the technology can always be captured simply by recording the
>>audio as it comes along. Of couser there might be some skips and
>>stutters, and if it's at a low bit rate, it might sound like the
>>source is playng underwater, but you can capture it just as you hear
>>it.
>>
>>
>>--
>>I'm really Mike Rivers )
>>However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
>>lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
>>you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
>>and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo
>
>
>
Why not just put the whole tune up there, but limit the quality? Make
it a lo-bit mp3, say 96 kps. If people like it, they'll have no choice
but to buy the high quality uncompressed original audio file.

CD

[Scott Dorsey]

In article >,
Dan O'Dea > wrote:
>>
>> > How does one create streaming content that cannot be downloaded?
>
> The question still stands. Although these programs are out there,
>I'm sure there are still some folks who don't know about them. Is
>there any way to at least protect oneself from the uneducated pirates
>until they come across this stuff? In other words, step by step, how
>do you set up a file for streaming audio, or is it a special type of
>file that can only be created with certain programs? Can I do it in
>Wavelab, Cubase, or even the garden variety stuff I've got like
>winamp, musicmatch, or media player?

There is no way to create streaming content that cannot be downloaded.

The closest you can come is to use realaudio, because the realaudio client
will not allow you to convert the file into another format.

But, no matter what you do, people can run a program on the client that
intercepts the audio at the speaker and saves it as a file.

There's no technological solution. All you can do is use something like
realaudio to make it difficult, you can't make it impossible.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Arjan P]

Scott Dorsey wrote:
> There's no technological solution. All you can do is use something like
> realaudio to make it difficult, you can't make it impossible. --scott

And to create RealAudio files you need RealProducer, which used to come as
a free program some years ago. Don't know what they have for that nowadays,
you'll have to check the RealAudio site. The resulting file will be a
songname.ra file, to which a directing .ram file must be made that contains
the (absolute) hyperlink to this .ra file. You can link to this .ram file
from your webpage, and the RealPlayer will start playing the .ra file. The
option to make the stream available for saving can be set in the
RealProducer program.

I used to put RealAudio files of my band's complete songs on our website
this way, and also offered 1 minute clips of the same songs in MP3 128/44
format. The RA sounded awful and the MP3 is incomplete, so both not very
susceptible for pirating. This assuming people would be willing to pirate
them in the first place ofcourse :-)

Luck, Arjan

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[nmm]

didn't "Liquid Audio" do this?

But who still uses Liquid Audio?

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Although these programs are out there,
> I'm sure there are still some folks who don't know about them. Is
> there any way to at least protect oneself from the uneducated pirates
> until they come across this stuff? In other words, step by step, how
> do you set up a file for streaming audio, or is it a special type of
> file that can only be created with certain programs?

Look on the Microsoft web site for some tutorials on Windows Media 9.
That has lots of security stuff that you can implement. I can't give
you step-by-step instructions, but I'll bet you can find it at
microsoft.com if you dig deeply enough.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Why not just put the whole tune up there, but limit the quality? Make
> it a lo-bit mp3, say 96 kps. If people like it, they'll have no choice
> but to buy the high quality uncompressed original audio file.

You don't have to like it to download it, and you don't have to have
great quality if you're used to listening to downloaded files. Maybe
the original poster just doesn't want copies floating around in any
form for one reason or another.


--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Digidog27]

i've actually run across some stuff that could not be "downloaded" in quicktime
format on a mac.
I'm no html expert, but i was curious enough to "view source" on the page and
couldn't find a file to even try to fish out.

yes you can record as it streams, IF you have the additional software, but i
suppose the original post asked about streaming without the ability to actually
download.

So barring having the program that would record the audio as it streams
<through> your comp, there DOES exist the ability to keep folks from just
saving the "link" or "stream" per se, but i'm not sure how they do it.