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Michael Tippach
December 20th 03, 01:57 AM
Freeware project of mine.

http://www.tippach.net/asio4all/

Enjoy!

Bob Cain
December 20th 03, 04:11 AM
Michael Tippach wrote:
>
> Freeware project of mine.
>
> http://www.tippach.net/asio4all/
>
> Enjoy!

Nice bit of work! I do notice that you wish to keep the
source code propriety and would ask you to consider the
similarity of that wish with the wish of those who produce
music to keep the proprietary rights to their work.


Bob
--

"Things should be described as simply as possible, but no
simpler."

A. Einstein

Michael Tippach
December 20th 03, 10:46 AM
Bob Cain wrote:
>
> Michael Tippach wrote:
> >
> > Freeware project of mine.
> >
> > http://www.tippach.net/asio4all/
> >
> > Enjoy!
>
> Nice bit of work! I do notice that you wish to keep the
> source code propriety and would ask you to consider the
> similarity of that wish with the wish of those who produce
> music to keep the proprietary rights to their work.

And where exactly did I say that I would not? If you take some
more of your time reading through my contribution to the RIAA
thread again, it may become clear to you that I was describing
a phenomenon in society (as _I_ perceive it, of course) and
pointing out a way how artists could have an influence on
people's behavior in this regard.

If you refer to my statement regarding the 'stealing' of music
by people who could not have afforded buying the CD and that no
harm is done here i.e. no loss of revenue, well I still stick to
that.

Was it my mistake that a no point my post contained the canonical
form of the "Stealing is wrong" group mantra?

Just wondering...

Michael Tippach
(who is also running an _open_ source project, making and buying
music and writing proprietary software for money... oh well...)

Mikey
December 20th 03, 08:43 PM
Michael Tippach > wrote in message >...
>
> If you refer to my statement regarding the 'stealing' of music
> by people who could not have afforded buying the CD and that no
> harm is done here i.e. no loss of revenue, well I still stick to
> that.
>
> Was it my mistake that a no point my post contained the canonical
> form of the "Stealing is wrong" group mantra?

FYI, It is not correct for you to assume that "Stealing is Wrong" is
either a group mantra or canon. You would be better served to realize
that many *individuals* can see something as wrong without being
canonical or mantra-like, or in any way acting as a group. My
experience with R.A.P. has shown me that the "Stealing is wrong"
opinion has grown steadily, person by person, over time, and has never
been a requirement to post on or be a part of this group. What you see
as canon may simply be an overwhelming chorus of individual voices.

Mikey
Nova Music Productions

PS - stealing is wrong (my opinion) - and it is the ONLY way to
absolutely assure that the artists don't make a dime.

Michael Tippach
December 21st 03, 01:39 AM
Mikey wrote:
>
> Michael Tippach > wrote in message >...
> >
> > If you refer to my statement regarding the 'stealing' of music
> > by people who could not have afforded buying the CD and that no
> > harm is done here i.e. no loss of revenue, well I still stick to
> > that.
> >
> > Was it my mistake that a no point my post contained the canonical
> > form of the "Stealing is wrong" group mantra?
>
> FYI, It is not correct for you to assume that "Stealing is Wrong" is
> either a group mantra or canon. You would be better served to realize
> that many *individuals* can see something as wrong without being
> canonical or mantra-like, or in any way acting as a group. My
> experience with R.A.P. has shown me that the "Stealing is wrong"
> opinion has grown steadily, person by person, over time, and has never
> been a requirement to post on or be a part of this group. What you see
> as canon may simply be an overwhelming chorus of individual voices.

Hi Mikey,

I appreciate your rational and civilized approach at getting your
point across. "Stealing is wrong" being a group mantra is the
impression I got when several poeple who appear to be regulars
where shouting it at me even though at no point in time I made
a statement to the contrary, maybe besides that I take a different
and less judgemental approach. The problem with right and wrong is
always that it requires an higher instance of absolute wisdom,
power and infailability in order to decide once and for all times
what is 'right' and 'wrong'. Otherwise, this moral stuff easily
backfires. How is selling rock music, for instance, not 'stealing',
I mean in the commercial sense, not just petty crime, for anyone who
cannot be considered the 'inventor' of rock music? Isn't a huge
part of making music just looking at how others do their stuff?
That's the problem with moralizing and he who is without sin in this
regard is very well invited to throw the first stone.

The problem rather is that there appears to be no workable solution
to adequately compensate authors (that's meant to be a general term
for people creating something that technically can be duplicated at
virtually no cost) for the valuable service they perform to the
community while at the same time maximizing the benefit the author's
work has for the community.

The service authors perform does not consist of allowing people
access to their works. The service they perform is _creating_
these works. As I said, the latter is a valuable service authors
should be adequately compensated for. Of course I'm moralizing
here (everything with 'should be' in it...)

But instead of collectively thinking of ways how to create a system
of compensation that works for the authors while at the same time
allowing everyone access to their works once published, instead folks
resort to shouting 'Stealing is wrong'. That's not very creative for
people who would like to get paid for being creative, IMHO.

Best regards,

Michael Tippach