Best way to market my daughters.

[Ruthven Z. Nocturn]

Greetings,
I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:

1. Clean, teeny bopper sound. This seems to come and go out of style.
Though, it seems like the kids like their singers near nude these
days which brings me to my next option.

2. Near nude. I don't mind them showing what they have off. One of
my daughters would definitely need to lose a little (okay.. a LOT of
weight... god I hope she doesn't read this). She's slightly
embarassed about her body but maybe this could work into a gimmick
with my other daughter being the ultimate physical appearance. Kind
of like Wilson Philips or whatever.

3. Gothic. The kids seem to like darker stuff these days. Black
hair.. maybe an S&M twist. Would have to clear this through my wife
first.

4. Alternative lifestyle. I really don't know about this.. my older
girl might have some interest... okay, she definitely has some
interest. I saw TATU (I think is the name) on some tv show. It's
seems to be more and more popular for the girl singers to kiss same
sex these days. I'd have to avoid marketing my daughters as sisters
if choosing this approach, I think. Again, would have to clear
through wife before signing anything hehe.

5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good... and when I look at
them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
life. Any info in following through with this is appreciated.

-Jon Cortweld

Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.

[John]

Based on your existing suggestions, why limit yourself to the trite themes of
S&M, nudity, or homosexuality? Haven't you ever considered putting your girls
on stage with the family pet? Donkey shows are really buzzworthy these days.
Or if you're going to market to South America, don't forget the appeal of the
llama! You could even have a really hot llama, and a fat ugly llama, just for
parity with your daughters. Don't just take my word for it though... I'm sure
you have lots of plans to scar them for life!

Best of luck.

>Greetings,
> I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
>forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
>age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
>and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
>However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
>could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:
>
>1. Clean, teeny bopper sound. This seems to come and go out of style.
> Though, it seems like the kids like their singers near nude these
>days which brings me to my next option.
>
>2. Near nude. I don't mind them showing what they have off. One of
>my daughters would definitely need to lose a little (okay.. a LOT of
>weight... god I hope she doesn't read this). She's slightly
>embarassed about her body but maybe this could work into a gimmick
>with my other daughter being the ultimate physical appearance. Kind
>of like Wilson Philips or whatever.
>
>3. Gothic. The kids seem to like darker stuff these days. Black
>hair.. maybe an S&M twist. Would have to clear this through my wife
>first.
>
>4. Alternative lifestyle. I really don't know about this.. my older
>girl might have some interest... okay, she definitely has some
>interest. I saw TATU (I think is the name) on some tv show. It's
>seems to be more and more popular for the girl singers to kiss same
>sex these days. I'd have to avoid marketing my daughters as sisters
>if choosing this approach, I think. Again, would have to clear
>through wife before signing anything hehe.
>
>5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good... and when I look at
>them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
>not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
>and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
>life. Any info in following through with this is appreciated.
>
>-Jon Cortweld
>
>Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.
>
>


-John Vice
www.summertimestudios.com

[Luke Kaven]

(Ruthven Z. Nocturn) wrote:

>Greetings,
> I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
>forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
>age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
>and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
>However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent?
[..]

First, don't try to package them into pop fads. More than anything
else, I'd recommend that they embark on a musical journey for it's own
sake, and learn to write/sing/play music straight from the heart.
Don't manufacture an act. If they have their eyes and hearts open,
they will be more likely to be among those who set the trends. If you
try to follow a fad, you are a has-been from the word "go". They
should be prepared to slog it out in NY or LA to pay some dues, and to
find their way into the places where they will be recognized. It
takes a lot to be considered a contender. The few who have it are
very rare. It has to come from them, though, not from you.

Luke

[JLNelson19]

>I'm
>not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
>and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
>life.

I think "father" is quite the overstatement here.

jn

[Peter Larsen]

"Ruthven Z. Nocturn" wrote:

> I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz".

Pray forgive me for being oldfashioned, but they are _not_ old enough to
have that as an opinion of their own. Music is in my opinion an
individuals unavoidable necessity, not a family commodity.

> They have the skills
> and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
> However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent?

Patience and high quality singing lessons, neither they nor their voices
are fully physically grown. Classical music tuition strongly
recommended. They should at least learn to sing in tune and on time.

> I really
> could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:

They are all sick, sick, sick and all repugnant, repugnant, repugnant.
And they are all yours, they are not the girls own, and they are all
based on a commercialistic viewpoint and not on their artistical
abilities.

Ask yourself what the all american guru, this day and age's version of
guru maharishi mahesh yogi - i. e. Dr. Phil - would say if you asked him
on his show. He would in my opinion hint what I also intentionally
implied above: that you need professional counseling.

> 1.

> 2.

> 3.

> 4.

A mindset like yours created Michael Jackson PERIOD.

If it be those girls destiny to do music, then they will do it from
inner necessity when it is time to do music. What you can do and what
you should do is to provide them with the tools, i. e. classical
tuition, but don't force it.

> 5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good...

No, they can at best sing in a promising way and they can totally loose
their voice if they do not learn to sing properly. Slow growth is
sustainable growth.

> and when I look at
> them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
> not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
> and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
> life.

You refer to them as a marketable commodity. Consequently it appears
that you consider them a potential source of income instead of
considering them free human beings.

> Any info in following through with this is appreciated.

They are kids, leave kids be kids. Go talk to a priest about the moral
issues in all this, whatever denomination and creed will do - well
almost,some black cults excluded and do not read race into that wording.
(No, I am not affiliated with any religion, but those guys can come in
handy for general advice because of their experience .... ).

You need better advice in your life than what you have had previously.

Britney should be an excellent example of why _not_ do to what you
propose. If and when they can make music, then it will grow naturally.
If they can not, if music teachers refuse them, then they can not make
music and should not make music. Don't rush things.

> -Jon Cortweld


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
************************************************** ***********

[MarkyMark]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...

> A mindset like yours created Michael Jackson PERIOD.
>

Was this the follow up to Michael Jackson HISTORY? Must have missed that
one!

[Peter Larsen]

MarkyMark wrote:

> "Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
> ...

> > A mindset like yours created Michael Jackson PERIOD.

> Was this the follow up to Michael Jackson HISTORY? Must have missed that
> one!

No, potential - not certain, mind you, nothing is certain - analogy.

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************************************************** ***********
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
************************************************** ***********

[intifada]

"anthony.gosnell" wrote:

> The best thing that you can do for your daughters is offer them the
> opportunity to take singing lessons, piano lessons, guitar lessons, dance
> lessons etc. Encourage them to further their studies in any field, even if
> it is not music.

I'd seriously recommend some basic drum lessons too. Even if they don't wish
to play the drums, getting to grips with the basics of what drummers
actually do and how they do it will really help if they decide to make their
own demo recordings at home with programmed drums, or if they just wanna
thrash out some rough ideas. Getting bogged down in drum programming can be
a real drag. Understanding how drummers work can reduce this drag and assist
the flow of creativity to a significant extent: a lesson I learned far too
late!

[Arny Krueger]

"anthony.gosnell" > wrote in message


> "Ruthven Z. Nocturn" > wrote

>> I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
>> forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
>> age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
>> and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
>> However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
>> could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:

> The best thing that you can do for your daughters is offer them the
> opportunity to take singing lessons, piano lessons, guitar lessons,
> dance lessons etc. Encourage them to further their studies in any
> field, even if it is not music.

> As far as choosing an image, let them do it for themselves. They
> should have an ear to the ground and will know far better than you
> what is hip and trendy. If they make the artistic decisions they
> will be much more motivated to go out and promote themselves.

Agreed.

One other thing. It seems to be really helpful to find a venue where the
kids can perform frequently, and polish their act in front of people. Big
money is not relevant at this point, it's called "Paying dues".

Preferably the venue should be an environment that the girls are comfortable
with. For example it's no coincidence that a lot of performers have a long
history of performing in their church or some other fraternal organization
that their family is a member of. But, a restaurant. coffee house, teen
club, school, or other venue where they can perform for people that they can
easily relate to, can work as well.

IME most really good performers like to perform. Therefore, it's good to NOT
give your kids "aversion therapy" for performing. I suspect that one reason
why we have so many celebrities that behave in self-destructive ways is that
they don't really like to perform, but it's what they have to do to remain
the creatures that they think they are.

[JWelsh3374]

<< I'm
not your typical father. >>


I would've used the word "pimp" instead.

<< Any other opinions? >>


Yes. Have a court remove the children from your custody immediately if not
sooner.



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[Ted Spencer]

Troll alert


Ted Spencer, NYC

"No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
"Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

[Dik LeDoux]

That's just creepy.

dik

[Tommy B]

John a brilliant idea, but not that marketable, I mean really you seen one
llama show, well you know.............
Also limited air play, also those guys from PETA will be up you ass in a
heartbeat. Then again , it does put a different spin in "Love A Llama Week".
(Say that very quickly, fives times, while pretending you're Tom Brokow)
The "Fat One" is an asset, she should be marketed as a "free give away snack
food", with Dad's new book, "How Humans Eat Their Young".
Oh yes, contact the guy that handles the Olsen Twins
One can only pray these children have a mother.

Tom


Tom


"John" > wrote in message
...
> Based on your existing suggestions, why limit yourself to the trite themes
of
> S&M, nudity, or homosexuality? Haven't you ever considered putting your
girls
> on stage with the family pet? Donkey shows are really buzzworthy these
days.
> Or if you're going to market to South America, don't forget the appeal of
the
> llama! You could even have a really hot llama, and a fat ugly llama, just
for
> parity with your daughters. Don't just take my word for it though... I'm
sure
> you have lots of plans to scar them for life!
>
> Best of luck.
>
> >Greetings,
> > I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> >forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> >age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
> >and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
> >However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
> >could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:
> >
> >1. Clean, teeny bopper sound. This seems to come and go out of style.
> > Though, it seems like the kids like their singers near nude these
> >days which brings me to my next option.
> >
> >2. Near nude. I don't mind them showing what they have off. One of
> >my daughters would definitely need to lose a little (okay.. a LOT of
> >weight... god I hope she doesn't read this). She's slightly
> >embarassed about her body but maybe this could work into a gimmick
> >with my other daughter being the ultimate physical appearance. Kind
> >of like Wilson Philips or whatever.
> >
> >3. Gothic. The kids seem to like darker stuff these days. Black
> >hair.. maybe an S&M twist. Would have to clear this through my wife
> >first.
> >
> >4. Alternative lifestyle. I really don't know about this.. my older
> >girl might have some interest... okay, she definitely has some
> >interest. I saw TATU (I think is the name) on some tv show. It's
> >seems to be more and more popular for the girl singers to kiss same
> >sex these days. I'd have to avoid marketing my daughters as sisters
> >if choosing this approach, I think. Again, would have to clear
> >through wife before signing anything hehe.
> >
> >5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good... and when I look at
> >them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
> >not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
> >and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
> >life. Any info in following through with this is appreciated.
> >
> >-Jon Cortweld
> >
> >Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.
> >
> >
>
>
> -John Vice
> www.summertimestudios.com

[Rob Adelman]

Ted Spencer wrote:
> Troll alert

Sure seems that way. Or one screwed up "father".

[BLCKOUT420]

This is downright weird.

[EggHd]

<< Troll alert >>

Right. Too over the top.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[reddred]

"Ruthven Z. Nocturn" > wrote in message
om...

I heard tell that Gypsies are into the marketing of daughters.

Seriously, without seeing a picture and hearing the sound they make, it's
pretty hard to tell. Whats the material like?

jb


> Greetings,
> I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
> and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
> However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
> could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:
>
> 1. Clean, teeny bopper sound. This seems to come and go out of style.
> Though, it seems like the kids like their singers near nude these
> days which brings me to my next option.
>
> 2. Near nude. I don't mind them showing what they have off. One of
> my daughters would definitely need to lose a little (okay.. a LOT of
> weight... god I hope she doesn't read this). She's slightly
> embarassed about her body but maybe this could work into a gimmick
> with my other daughter being the ultimate physical appearance. Kind
> of like Wilson Philips or whatever.
>
> 3. Gothic. The kids seem to like darker stuff these days. Black
> hair.. maybe an S&M twist. Would have to clear this through my wife
> first.
>
> 4. Alternative lifestyle. I really don't know about this.. my older
> girl might have some interest... okay, she definitely has some
> interest. I saw TATU (I think is the name) on some tv show. It's
> seems to be more and more popular for the girl singers to kiss same
> sex these days. I'd have to avoid marketing my daughters as sisters
> if choosing this approach, I think. Again, would have to clear
> through wife before signing anything hehe.
>
> 5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good... and when I look at
> them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
> not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
> and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
> life. Any info in following through with this is appreciated.
>
> -Jon Cortweld
>
> Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.

[reddred]

"Tommy B" > wrote in message
hlink.net...
> John a brilliant idea, but not that marketable, I mean really you seen one
> llama show, well you know.............
> Also limited air play, also those guys from PETA will be up you ass in a
> heartbeat. Then again , it does put a different spin in "Love A Llama
Week".
> (Say that very quickly, fives times, while pretending you're Tom Brokow)
> The "Fat One" is an asset, she should be marketed as a "free give away
snack
> food", with Dad's new book, "How Humans Eat Their Young".
> Oh yes, contact the guy that handles the Olsen Twins
> One can only pray these children have a mother.
>

I don't know man, a avril-esque 'Love me like a La-La-Llama' is sure to be a
hit.

jb

> Tom
>
>
> Tom
>
>
> "John" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Based on your existing suggestions, why limit yourself to the trite
themes
> of
> > S&M, nudity, or homosexuality? Haven't you ever considered putting your
> girls
> > on stage with the family pet? Donkey shows are really buzzworthy these
> days.
> > Or if you're going to market to South America, don't forget the appeal
of
> the
> > llama! You could even have a really hot llama, and a fat ugly llama,
just
> for
> > parity with your daughters. Don't just take my word for it though...
I'm
> sure
> > you have lots of plans to scar them for life!
> >
> > Best of luck.
> >
> > >Greetings,
> > > I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> > >forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> > >age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz". They have the skills
> > >and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
> > >However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent? I really
> > >could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:
> > >
> > >1. Clean, teeny bopper sound. This seems to come and go out of style.
> > > Though, it seems like the kids like their singers near nude these
> > >days which brings me to my next option.
> > >
> > >2. Near nude. I don't mind them showing what they have off. One of
> > >my daughters would definitely need to lose a little (okay.. a LOT of
> > >weight... god I hope she doesn't read this). She's slightly
> > >embarassed about her body but maybe this could work into a gimmick
> > >with my other daughter being the ultimate physical appearance. Kind
> > >of like Wilson Philips or whatever.
> > >
> > >3. Gothic. The kids seem to like darker stuff these days. Black
> > >hair.. maybe an S&M twist. Would have to clear this through my wife
> > >first.
> > >
> > >4. Alternative lifestyle. I really don't know about this.. my older
> > >girl might have some interest... okay, she definitely has some
> > >interest. I saw TATU (I think is the name) on some tv show. It's
> > >seems to be more and more popular for the girl singers to kiss same
> > >sex these days. I'd have to avoid marketing my daughters as sisters
> > >if choosing this approach, I think. Again, would have to clear
> > >through wife before signing anything hehe.
> > >
> > >5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good... and when I look at
> > >them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
> > >not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
> > >and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
> > >life. Any info in following through with this is appreciated.
> > >
> > >-Jon Cortweld
> > >
> > >Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > -John Vice
> > www.summertimestudios.com
>
>

[reddred]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> "Ruthven Z. Nocturn" wrote:
>
> > I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> > forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> > age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz".
>
> Pray forgive me for being oldfashioned, but they are _not_ old enough to
> have that as an opinion of their own. Music is in my opinion an
> individuals unavoidable necessity, not a family commodity.
>

Pete, honestly, when they are 17, it is the ONLY time in thier lives when
they can think about 'making it in the biz' or whatever. If they have a dad
thats into it, they are LUCKY and pretty far ahead in the game right there.
If they have talent, they shouldn't waste time. They should jump in right
now, or else they'll end up waitressing and telling people how stupid it is
to want to be in the music business.

If the guy isn't going to push his kids into college like everybody else, he
should push them into the gym and then onto a stage. It's the only time they
will be 17 and able to experience those things without worrying about having
to pay bills or pleasing the spouse. If they have any talent at all, they
will thank him for it later. If they don't, they'll have a good time and
find out that you do need some talent to entertain people.

As far as fads go, what the hell is Madonna, or Bowie for that matter, but
one fad after another?

jb

> > They have the skills
> > and look and I have the basic skills to cut a decent demo for them.
> > However, what is the best way to market young vocal talent?
>
> Patience and high quality singing lessons, neither they nor their voices
> are fully physically grown. Classical music tuition strongly
> recommended. They should at least learn to sing in tune and on time.
>
> > I really
> > could use suggestions. Here are the three ideas I have:
>
> They are all sick, sick, sick and all repugnant, repugnant, repugnant.
> And they are all yours, they are not the girls own, and they are all
> based on a commercialistic viewpoint and not on their artistical
> abilities.
>
> Ask yourself what the all american guru, this day and age's version of
> guru maharishi mahesh yogi - i. e. Dr. Phil - would say if you asked him
> on his show. He would in my opinion hint what I also intentionally
> implied above: that you need professional counseling.
>
> > 1.
>
> > 2.
>
> > 3.
>
> > 4.
>
> A mindset like yours created Michael Jackson PERIOD.
>
> If it be those girls destiny to do music, then they will do it from
> inner necessity when it is time to do music. What you can do and what
> you should do is to provide them with the tools, i. e. classical
> tuition, but don't force it.
>
> > 5. Any other opinions? They can sing real good...
>
> No, they can at best sing in a promising way and they can totally loose
> their voice if they do not learn to sing properly. Slow growth is
> sustainable growth.
>
> > and when I look at
> > them I just know there's some sort of marketable gimmick for them. I'm
> > not your typical father. I want them out of school and into the clubs
> > and have the financial situation to do this for the first time in my
> > life.
>
> You refer to them as a marketable commodity. Consequently it appears
> that you consider them a potential source of income instead of
> considering them free human beings.
>
> > Any info in following through with this is appreciated.
>
> They are kids, leave kids be kids. Go talk to a priest about the moral
> issues in all this, whatever denomination and creed will do - well
> almost,some black cults excluded and do not read race into that wording.
> (No, I am not affiliated with any religion, but those guys can come in
> handy for general advice because of their experience .... ).
>
> You need better advice in your life than what you have had previously.
>
> Britney should be an excellent example of why _not_ do to what you
> propose. If and when they can make music, then it will grow naturally.
> If they can not, if music teachers refuse them, then they can not make
> music and should not make music. Don't rush things.
>
> > -Jon Cortweld
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Peter Larsen
>
> --
> ************************************************** ***********
> * My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
> ************************************************** ***********

[reddred]

"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...

> IME most really good performers like to perform. Therefore, it's good to
NOT
> give your kids "aversion therapy" for performing. I suspect that one
reason
> why we have so many celebrities that behave in self-destructive ways is
that
> they don't really like to perform, but it's what they have to do to remain
> the creatures that they think they are.
>

I'd have to say the drug abuse is because they don't like doing anything BUT
performing, and are scared ****less in a room full of people if they aren't
'on'. Being 'on' all the time makes an addict out of anyone.

jb

[reddred]

"BLCKOUT420" > wrote in message
...
> This is downright weird.

I suspect it was a joke.

jb

[reddred]

"Rob Adelman" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> Ted Spencer wrote:
> > Troll alert
>
> Sure seems that way. Or one screwed up "father".


Yeah. I should've read the whole thing.

jb

>

[P Stamler]

I was going to chime in that somebody out there has been reading the Onion too
much.

Peace,
Paul

[Paul]

(Ted Spencer) wrote in message >...
> Troll alert
>
>
> Ted Spencer, NYC
>
> "No amount of classical training will ever teach you what's so cool about
> "Tighten Up" by Archie Bell And The Drells" -author unknown

Thank you Ted. I was wondering when someone was going to say something.

Geeeez.

[Peter Larsen]

reddred wrote:

[someone asked]

> > > I have a special situation here and I was hoping this recording
> > > forum could help. You see, I have two very talented singer daughters
> > > age 17 & 18 that want to make it in "the biz".

> > Pray forgive me for being oldfashioned, but they are _not_ old enough to
> > have that as an opinion of their own. Music is in my opinion an
> > individuals unavoidable necessity, not a family commodity.

> Pete, honestly, when they are 17, it is the ONLY time in thier lives when
> they can think about 'making it in the biz' or whatever.

Again: art is an inner necessity, not a commodity. The question asked is
"how to market", it is not "how to help, support and assist". Also it
remains my understanding that IF they are gifted and IF they have
demonstrated being gifted in whatever community the family exists in,
THEN that community will help and things will happen fairly
automatically.

> If they have a dad
> thats into it,

He isn't "into it" when he talks about percentage of uncovered skin
instead of talking of learning to sing and dance. I may of course have
misread it, once occasionally does get things wrong, but with the angle
provided I can but remain convinced that it is too soon.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen


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[Straatocastoer]

This HAS to be a joke, right? You are lampooning the American pop
music machine that seemingly has no morals, true talent, or direction
-- simply young attractive people packaged the way middle-aged,
upper-class business men think they should be packaged. Am I right?
Right? (God, please let me be right).

Stan

[Tommy B]

> This HAS to be a joke, right?


One would think...........but even if it's not, it is.
Tom



"Straatocastoer" > wrote in message
m...
> This HAS to be a joke, right? You are lampooning the American pop
> music machine that seemingly has no morals, true talent, or direction
> -- simply young attractive people packaged the way middle-aged,
> upper-class business men think they should be packaged. Am I right?
> Right? (God, please let me be right).
>
> Stan

[transducr]

(Straatocastoer) wrote in message >...
> This HAS to be a joke, right? You are lampooning the American pop
> music machine that seemingly has no morals, true talent, or direction
> -- simply young attractive people packaged the way middle-aged,
> upper-class business men think they should be packaged. Am I right?
> Right? (God, please let me be right).
>
> Stan

yeah, i sent a link to this thread to a few friends of mine who i knew
would enjoy it (especially the fact that the phrase "donkey show" made
it into the equation astonishingly fast! ...impressive)...i had to
tell them that, in all honesty, i couldn't for the life of me figure
out if the post was tongue-in-cheek or legit. i think that's more
telling of the situation than the post itself (real or not)...

[Ruthven Z. Nocturn]

I just wanted to take a minute to thank all the folks who responded
and helped out. Not so much the group posts, but the private emails I
received. In particular, Joe from Model Designs Group who offered to
design a free website for my girls. I appreciate this so much. I'll
get the photos to you ASAP. I see my daughters on the weekends and
they're very excited about their first shoot.
I promise to keep this group updated about how things progress.
It's such a relief to read your various words - I can tell this won't
be nearly as tough as I thought it'd be.

-Jon Cortweld

Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.

[reddred]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> reddred wrote:
>

> > Pete, honestly, when they are 17, it is the ONLY time in thier lives
when
> > they can think about 'making it in the biz' or whatever.
>
> Again: art is an inner necessity, not a commodity.

You don't hear me arguing, on a philosophical level, but then again, I have
the luxury of still being involved in a different thing altogether that pays
the bills. Do you see my point?

>The question asked is
> "how to market", it is not "how to help, support and assist".

> He isn't "into it" when he talks about percentage of uncovered skin
> instead of talking of learning to sing and dance.

Well, maybe the guys an ass.

I think I'm a little more cynical than you, in that I don't find a question
about how to market music to be offensive. I certainly don't want to think
about it in the same way that people think about ballbearings or pork rinds,
I wouldn't be able to get behind it in a personal sense if I did, but
'marketing' is just a way of getting things out there.

As far as it being too soonfor those kids, well, I'd have to hear them and
see a picture to even see if there was any potential. If anything, it could
be getting late, because maybe they should have had some lessons already.

jb

[reddred]

"Ruthven Z. Nocturn" > wrote in message
om...
> I just wanted to take a minute to thank all the folks who responded
> and helped out. Not so much the group posts, but the private emails I
> received. In particular, Joe from Model Designs Group who offered to
> design a free website for my girls. I appreciate this so much. I'll
> get the photos to you ASAP. I see my daughters on the weekends and
> they're very excited about their first shoot.
> I promise to keep this group updated about how things progress.
> It's such a relief to read your various words - I can tell this won't
> be nearly as tough as I thought it'd be.
>
> -Jon Cortweld
>
> Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.

Your other little usenet joke is kind of hard to take:
http://www.geocities.com/ruthven2002/

jb

[Peter Larsen]

reddred wrote:

> You don't hear me arguing, on a philosophical level, but then again, I have
> the luxury of still being involved in a different thing altogether that pays
> the bills. Do you see my point?

We may not disagree on these matters once we get through comparing
notes.

> Well, maybe the guys an ass.

Maybe or maybe not or maybe a troll or maybe not. But he comes across as
one.

> I think I'm a little more cynical than you, in that I don't find a question
> about how to market music to be offensive.

Age of children is the issue, and they still are. There is a sufficient
amount of off-balance people in the industry to make the proposed
concept as it was described very problematic.

> As far as it being too soonfor those kids, well, I'd have to hear them and
> see a picture to even see if there was any potential. If anything, it could
> be getting late, because maybe they should have had some lessons already.

Now you get to the main problem in this. If qualified training had been
available (I don't want to put labels on, qualified people occur in the
strangest places) then that training had included a "how to move on".
Consequently when the question at all has to be asked, it is like when
you have to ask for the price of a Rolls.

I'm not saying that they shouldn't sing and dance or whatever else they
want to do in whatever dressing they want to be in. What I am saying is
that it is too early and that there is a need of maturing as well as of
proper training to be met first. Actually getting an education is a good
idea too even if it is not to be used and art instead is to be the main
focus. This because it helps them become more complete people and btw.
also better able to read what a proposed contract actually says. If they
were 25, then it would be a different matter.

> jb


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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[Peter Larsen]

reddred wrote:

> > I just wanted to take a minute to thank all the folks who responded
> > and helped out. Not so much the group posts, but the private emails I
> > received. In particular, Joe from Model Designs Group who offered to
> > design a free website for my girls. I appreciate this so much. I'll
> > get the photos to you ASAP. I see my daughters on the weekends and
> > they're very excited about their first shoot.

> > I promise to keep this group updated about how things progress.
> > It's such a relief to read your various words - I can tell this won't
> > be nearly as tough as I thought it'd be.

> > -Jon Cortweld

> > Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.

> Your other little usenet joke is kind of hard to take:
> http://www.geocities.com/ruthven2002/

Well, if it isn't a joke, then this is about what I described as a black
sect, and I thought I was overdoing it .... hmm ... however the text
quoted above rings as if unrelated to any reality.

> jb


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

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* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> I see my daughters on the weekends and
> they're very excited about their first shoot.

Hmmmm . . . this sounds a little suspicious. I'd stay away from this
guy and his project.


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[Sean Conolly]

"Ruthven Z. Nocturn" > wrote in message
om...

I truly hope this is a troll. But if not, I'd encourage you to take a role
of facilitating what your girls want to do, and not telling them what they
should do. There's a difference between being successful and being happy.

Sean

[reddred]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> reddred wrote:
>
> > > I just wanted to take a minute to thank all the folks who responded
> > > and helped out. Not so much the group posts, but the private emails I
> > > received. In particular, Joe from Model Designs Group who offered to
> > > design a free website for my girls. I appreciate this so much. I'll
> > > get the photos to you ASAP. I see my daughters on the weekends and
> > > they're very excited about their first shoot.
>
> > > I promise to keep this group updated about how things progress.
> > > It's such a relief to read your various words - I can tell this won't
> > > be nearly as tough as I thought it'd be.
>
> > > -Jon Cortweld
>
> > > Ruthven Demo Studios/D.F. Inc.
>
> > Your other little usenet joke is kind of hard to take:
> > http://www.geocities.com/ruthven2002/
>
> Well, if it isn't a joke, then this is about what I described as a black
> sect, and I thought I was overdoing it .... hmm ... however the text
> quoted above rings as if unrelated to any reality.
>
> > jb
>

Check out the guys posts on alt.music.industrial in the google archives. I
think this is (whomevers) sense of black humor. This joke, IMO, is much
funnier.

jb