you know you're getting old when...

[Kurt Albershardt]

Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."

Wow.

[Randall Hyde]

Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to as a teenager...
Cheers,
Randy Hyde

[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Randall Hyde" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to as a
teenager...
> Cheers,
> Randy Hyde
>

Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at high school
and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh, were people wearing
bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the 80's". I also remember her
saying that NSYNC were like her generations Beatles. I cried.

[Twist Turner]

I would assume I'm even older. I've never heard or Nina Hagen....



Twist Turner
http://tinyurl.com/ul70

[Tommy B]

She's German and from the 80's.
That makes the time line perfect for advertising. ;-)
tom


"Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
...
> Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>
> Wow.
>
>
>
>
>

[Tommy B]

You have every right too!
tom
"Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message
news:hhEub.242413$HS4.2144569@attbi_s01...
> "Randall Hyde" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
> > Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to as a
> teenager...
> > Cheers,
> > Randy Hyde
> >
>
> Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at high
school
> and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh, were people wearing
> bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the 80's". I also remember her
> saying that NSYNC were like her generations Beatles. I cried.
>
>

[Tom Paul]

>
> Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at high school
> and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh, were people wearing
> bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the 80's". I also remember her
> saying that NSYNC were like her generations Beatles. I cried.

My sons ask me what it was like in the 80's. THink about it...we are
as close to the 80's as we were to WWII in the 60's and that seemed
like ancient history. I just thank God that we've learned to use less
reverb since the 80's. I also hope all the members of Lover Boy are
driving buses now.

Tom

[Rob Adelman]

Tom Paul wrote:

> I also hope all the members of Lover Boy are
> driving buses now.


What? You're not working for the weekend? ;)

[msparti]

No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life insurance
commercials.

You know...the one that say: If you were born between 1940 and 1970 or
whatnot.



"Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
...
> Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>
> Wow.
>
>
>
>
>

[Steve Jorgensen]

Ha - I've seen that one, and it didn't even register until you mentioned it.

On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:04:48 -0800, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:

>Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
>never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>
>Wow.
>
>
>
>

[Charles Thomas]

In article >,
Rob Adelman > wrote:

> > I also hope all the members of Lover Boy are
> > driving buses now.
>
>
> What? You're not working for the weekend? ;)

Dude, EVERYBODY'S workin' for the weekend!

CT

[Tom Paterson]

>From: "msparti"

>No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life insurance
>commercials.

That and when you *stop* throwing away the AARP junk mail (cheaper
medications..?). --Tom Paterson

[John]

Kurt Albershardt > wrote in message >...
> Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>
> Wow.

Wasn't "New Toy" by Lene Lovich?

[knud]

> just thank God that we've learned to use less
>reverb since the 80's

Outside of the mainstream, there are a plethora of excellent albums from
the 80's, without a buncha reverb on the snare, even! Sadly most people
remember arena-cock-rock when they think of the 80's.


blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[Kurt Albershardt]

John wrote:
>
> Wasn't "New Toy" by Lene Lovich?

Um, yeah. So now the memory's going, too.

[knud]

>She's German and from the 80's.
>That makes the time line perfect for advertising. ;-)
>tom

Are you thinking of the German band Nina from the 80's, as in 99 red
balloons? If so, I don't believe there was anyone in the band named Nina Hagen.




blahblah
ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

[Ricky W. Hunt]

> wrote in message
...
>
> >80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
> >generations Beatles. I cried.
>
> THat would make you cry!!!
> HOw disgusting!
> THe beatles could play their instruments.

At first I was really upset but then the more I thought about it, I realized
she was right. Weren't the Beatles written off as a talentless pretty-boy
band by a lot of people at first? (Not that I expect them to become another
Beatles or anything).

[R Krizman]

<< John wrote:
>
> Wasn't "New Toy" by Lene Lovich? >>

Indeed.

"I've got a new toy, o-ay-oh
I feel my head expanding
I've got a new toy, o-ay-oh
Nothing too demanding."

Timeless lyric.

Am I on crack or did Thomas Dolby write this song?

-R

[Bob Smith]

Kurt Albershardt wrote:
>
> Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>
> Wow.

You go to the head and can't remember why you're there.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

[squeeziechum]

FYI, It was Lena Lovich performing, Thomas Dolby writing, not Nina Hagen.
So says my record collection.

Phil

"Steve Jorgensen" > wrote in message
...
> Ha - I've seen that one, and it didn't even register until you mentioned
it.
>
> On Tue, 18 Nov 2003 21:04:48 -0800, Kurt Albershardt > wrote:
>
> >Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> >never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
> >
> >Wow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

[Peter Larsen]

knud wrote:
>
> >She's German and from the 80's.
> >That makes the time line perfect for advertising. ;-)
> >tom
>
> Are you thinking of the German band Nina from the 80's, as in 99 red
> balloons? If so, I don't believe there was anyone in the band named Nina Hagen.

Nena ...

> blahblah
> ALL MUSIC IS ORIGINAL...
> EVEN IF ONLY ONE NOTE IS CHANGED!
> EVERYONE CREATES IN A VACUUM!

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> wrote in message
...
>
> On 2003-11-19 said:
> >"Randall Hyde" > wrote
> >> Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to
> >as a teenager...
> I doubt it. YEs I was listening to some Beatles etc. but I was also
> listening to LEd Zep; Emerson Lake & Palmer, JEtrho tUll, YEs et al.
>
> >Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at
> >high school and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh,
> >were people wearing bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the
> >80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
> >generations Beatles. I cried.
>
> THat would make you cry!!!
> HOw disgusting!
> THe beatles could play their instruments.
>
> GUess I'm too old <g>.
>
>
>
> Richard Webb
> Electric Spider Productions
> REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email
>
> --
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

Nah, you're old when you still want to go out and play rock 'n' roll and
can't lift the amplifier and the guitar at the same time but won't admit it.

Or when you know that you can cook better than any chef who's restaurant
you'd go eat at.

Or when grandkids want to help you out of your chair.

Or when your hair starts falling out and you realize that it really doesn't
make any difference.

Or when you won't stand in lines any more because it's a significant portion
of the time you have left.

Or when the OLD cops are younger than you.

Or when OLD congressmen are younger than you.

Or when you give up trying to find new friends because they just keep dying
on you.

Or when you won't buy a cat because it's too much of a long term
committment.

Or when your house is nothing but a series of passageways through stuff you
don't use anymore, if, in fact, you ever used it at all.

Or when you go to the grocery store and buy the same damned things four
times in a row because you used the same grocery list four times in a row (I
call that one grocery Altzheimer's).

--


Roger W. Norman
SirMusic Studio
Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.




"msparti" > wrote in message
...
> No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life
insurance
> commercials.
>
> You know...the one that say: If you were born between 1940 and 1970 or
> whatnot.
>
>
>
> "Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> > never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
> >
> > Wow.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[msparti]

......Damn it!! I'm OLD!!!

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
...
> Nah, you're old when you still want to go out and play rock 'n' roll and
> can't lift the amplifier and the guitar at the same time but won't admit
it.
>
> Or when you know that you can cook better than any chef who's restaurant
> you'd go eat at.
>
> Or when grandkids want to help you out of your chair.
>
> Or when your hair starts falling out and you realize that it really
doesn't
> make any difference.
>
> Or when you won't stand in lines any more because it's a significant
portion
> of the time you have left.
>
> Or when the OLD cops are younger than you.
>
> Or when OLD congressmen are younger than you.
>
> Or when you give up trying to find new friends because they just keep
dying
> on you.
>
> Or when you won't buy a cat because it's too much of a long term
> committment.
>
> Or when your house is nothing but a series of passageways through stuff
you
> don't use anymore, if, in fact, you ever used it at all.
>
> Or when you go to the grocery store and buy the same damned things four
> times in a row because you used the same grocery list four times in a row
(I
> call that one grocery Altzheimer's).
>
> --
>
>
> Roger W. Norman
> SirMusic Studio
> Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
> See how far $20 really goes.
>
>
>
>
> "msparti" > wrote in message
> ...
> > No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life
> insurance
> > commercials.
> >
> > You know...the one that say: If you were born between 1940 and 1970 or
> > whatnot.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I
would
> > > never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
> > >
> > > Wow.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Tommy B]

My maternal grandfather lived to 2 weeks before his
104th birthday. Got a hole in one when he was 89, drove till he was
100....smoked cigars, loved sports, never seemed stressed.

Tom

"msparti" > wrote in message
...
> .....Damn it!! I'm OLD!!!
>
> "Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nah, you're old when you still want to go out and play rock 'n' roll and
> > can't lift the amplifier and the guitar at the same time but won't admit
> it.
> >
> > Or when you know that you can cook better than any chef who's restaurant
> > you'd go eat at.
> >
> > Or when grandkids want to help you out of your chair.
> >
> > Or when your hair starts falling out and you realize that it really
> doesn't
> > make any difference.
> >
> > Or when you won't stand in lines any more because it's a significant
> portion
> > of the time you have left.
> >
> > Or when the OLD cops are younger than you.
> >
> > Or when OLD congressmen are younger than you.
> >
> > Or when you give up trying to find new friends because they just keep
> dying
> > on you.
> >
> > Or when you won't buy a cat because it's too much of a long term
> > committment.
> >
> > Or when your house is nothing but a series of passageways through stuff
> you
> > don't use anymore, if, in fact, you ever used it at all.
> >
> > Or when you go to the grocery store and buy the same damned things four
> > times in a row because you used the same grocery list four times in a
row
> (I
> > call that one grocery Altzheimer's).
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> > Roger W. Norman
> > SirMusic Studio
> > Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
> > See how far $20 really goes.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "msparti" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life
> > insurance
> > > commercials.
> > >
> > > You know...the one that say: If you were born between 1940 and 1970 or
> > > whatnot.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > "Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I
> would
> > > > never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
> > > >
> > > > Wow.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

[Roger W. Norman]

"msparti" > wrote in message
...
> .....Damn it!! I'm OLD!!!
>

Hey, I was the one thinking them up! <g>

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Roger W. Norman
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[Jay Kadis]

You sit around talking about being old.

-Jay
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[Roger W. Norman]

"Jay Kadis" > wrote in message
...
> You sit around talking about being old.
>
> -Jay

Ouch! <g>

But hey, my body wasn't getting up and going somewhere else, so, when you
have the opportunity...! <g>

Kinda like that little segment of Billy Connelly's comedic routine where
he's talking about thoughts and how they jump up and say "talk about me,
talk about me or I'll ****ing go away." Us old folk are amazed that we're
still having thoughts. We don't need the prompting! <g>

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Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
See how far $20 really goes.

[Ben Bradley]

In rec.audio.pro, "Roger W. Norman" > wrote:

>Nah, you're old when you still want to go out and play rock 'n' roll and
>can't lift the amplifier and the guitar at the same time but won't admit it.

> ...

>Or when you won't buy a cat because it's too much of a long term
>committment.

I knew an old(er) gentleman who said "at my age I don't buy green
bananas."

>--
>
>
>Roger W. Norman
>SirMusic Studio
>Purchase your copy of the Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net.
>See how far $20 really goes.
>
>
>
>
>"msparti" > wrote in message
...
>> No man, your OLD when your birthdate is included in those tv Life
>insurance
>> commercials.
>>
>> You know...the one that say: If you were born between 1940 and 1970 or
>> whatnot.
>>
>>
>>
>> "Kurt Albershardt" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
>> > never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."
>> >
>> > Wow.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

[Analogeezer]

"Ricky W. Hunt" > wrote in message news:<zQPub.50954$Dw6.263421@attbi_s02>...
> > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > >80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
> > >generations Beatles. I cried.
> >
> > THat would make you cry!!!
> > HOw disgusting!
> > THe beatles could play their instruments.
>
> At first I was really upset but then the more I thought about it, I realized
> she was right. Weren't the Beatles written off as a talentless pretty-boy
> band by a lot of people at first? (Not that I expect them to become another
> Beatles or anything).

Oh yeah think about it....if you were a late 50's/early 60's jazz
musician, you would have thought the Beatles were incredibly lame
musicians that couldn't play their way out of a paper bag.

I'm sure that all the "serious" musicians of that era greated the
British invasion stuff with all enthusiasm we've greeted boy band pop
with.

Analogeezer

[Analogeezer]

wrote in message >...
> On 2003-11-19 said:
> >"Randall Hyde" > wrote
> >> Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to
> >as a teenager...
> I doubt it. YEs I was listening to some Beatles etc. but I was also
> listening to LEd Zep; Emerson Lake & Palmer, JEtrho tUll, YEs et al.
>
> >Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at
> >high school and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh,
> >were people wearing bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the
> >80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
> >generations Beatles. I cried.
>
> THat would make you cry!!!
> HOw disgusting!
> THe beatles could play their instruments.
>
> GUess I'm too old <g>.
>
>
>
> Richard Webb
> Electric Spider Productions
> REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

Kinda scary but I listened to those bands too, still do....and I have
heard songs from EVERY ONE OF THEM on the Muzak playing in the grocery
store....no **** Emerson, Lake, and Palmer the Muzak version on the
grocery store PA...I almost blew my cookies.

Analogeezer

p.s. The most bizarre thing was hearing Muzak version of ZZ Top (Cheap
Sunglasses) and Yes (I've Seen All Good People) BACK TO BACK
>
> --

[Mike Rivers]

. . . you actually know how to do punch-ins manually and can splice
tape.




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[Chris!]

> . . . you actually know how to do punch-ins manually and can splice
> tape.

.... you actually know what the phrase "splice tape" means.

(not to mention still knowing where your trusty EdiTall is stashed)


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[ScotFraser]

....when you realize you don't need to record tones on your DAW anymore...

Scott Fraser

[EggHd]

<< . . . you actually know how to do punch-ins manually and can splice
tape >>

You can edit on a 350 transport without marking the tape.



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[LeBaron & Alrich]

ScotFraser wrote:

> ...when you realize you don't need to record tones on your DAW anymore...

When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
to be there...

--
ha

[ryanm]

"Roger W. Norman" > wrote in message
...
> You don't think singers play their instruments?
>
Pssst... those aren't their voices, that's Autotune.

ryanm

[WillStG]

(LeBaron & Alrich)

>When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
>to be there.

Funny, the meter's at -20dbFS....


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
> to be there...

No, that's when your DAW is getting old. You're getting old when you
can't remember why you went to the shop to get the oscillator.



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[LeBaron & Alrich]

WillStG wrote:

> > (LeBaron & Alrich)

> >When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
> >to be there.

> Funny, the meter's at -20dbFS....

....but there's not even the remnants of dither exiting the mons...


"We just truncated right at the neck."

--
ha

[LeBaron & Alrich]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> walkinay writes:

> > When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
> > to be there...

> No, that's when your DAW is getting old.

But my _old_ DAW works fine. It's the _new_ DAW that's easily confused.

> You're getting old when you
> can't remember why you went to the shop to get the oscillator.

It's okay. You can't find it anyway.

--
ha

[David Morgan \(MAMS\)]

"WillStG" > wrote in message ...
> (LeBaron & Alrich)
>
> >When you realize the tones you swore you recorded on your DAW don't seem
> >to be there.
>
> Funny, the meter's at -20dbFS....


Must be someone trying to set a level at 25,000hz - you know, that "extended"
high end everyone is raving about that was brought forth by 24/96.

DM

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> > Funny, the meter's at -20dbFS....
>
> Must be someone trying to set a level at 25,000hz - you know, that "extended"
> high end everyone is raving about that was brought forth by 24/96.

Given the topic, he's probalby talking about setting level at 2.5 kHz.




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[WillStG]

<< (Mike Rivers) >>

<< writes:

> > Funny, the meter's at -20dbFS....
>
> Must be someone trying to set a level at 25,000hz - you know, that "extended"
> high end everyone is raving about that was brought forth by 24/96.

Given the topic, he's probalby talking about setting level at 2.5 kHz. >>

When I was a teenager I'd walk into a bank with ultrasonic alarms and hear
it plain as day, very irritating. Now I can't hear it anymore, but I know it's
there when I start to get a headache.

Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> When I was a teenager I'd walk into a bank with ultrasonic alarms and hear
> it plain as day, very irritating. Now I can't hear it anymore, but I know it's
> there when I start to get a headache.

They may have changed the frequency that those things use. I used to
be able to hear the horizontal oscillator of a TV set (actually the
coils of the flyback transformer rattling) at 15.75 kHz, but I don't
hear that from modern TV sets. I don't know if it's because they're
building them differently or if I'm just losing some sensitivity up
there. At 61 years old, it's perfectly normal even without a lifetime
of too-loud music listening. I can put an oscillator into my monitors
and still hear it, but I don't know how that SPL compares with what
came out of my 1952 Emerson black-and-white.


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[Bryson]

When you ask the singer to do another pass, 'cause the last one was a
little out of tune.

[Jay Kadis]

In article <znr1069625727k@trad> (Mike Rivers) writes:
>
>
> They may have changed the frequency that those things use. I used to
> be able to hear the horizontal oscillator of a TV set (actually the
> coils of the flyback transformer rattling) at 15.75 kHz, but I don't
> hear that from modern TV sets. I don't know if it's because they're
> building them differently or if I'm just losing some sensitivity up
> there. At 61 years old, it's perfectly normal even without a lifetime
> of too-loud music listening. I can put an oscillator into my monitors
> and still hear it, but I don't know how that SPL compares with what
> came out of my 1952 Emerson black-and-white.
>
>
> --
> I'm really Mike Rivers )
> However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
> lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
> you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
> and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

I had the Ivie realtime analyzer home last week to measure how loud my wife
sings (110 dB SPL peak, unweighted!) and the TV ('90s Sony) still puts out the
15.75 kHz signal loud and clear, at least that's what the display says. I
didn't hear it.

-Jay
--
x------- Jay Kadis ------- x---- Jay's Attic Studio ----x
x Lecturer, Audio Engineer x Dexter Records x
x CCRMA, Stanford University x http://www.offbeats.com/ x
x-------- http://ccrma-www.stanford.edu/~jay/ ----------x

[WillStG]

(Jay Kadis)
>I had the Ivie realtime analyzer home last week to measure how loud my wife
sings (110 dB SPL peak, unweighted!) and the TV ('90s Sony) still puts out the
15.75 kHz signal loud and clear, at least that's what the display says. I
didn't hear it. >

Maybe it's not even the TV, maybe it's the signal coming off one of those
digital audio mixers or from router. (The Calrec Sigma at work has a couple
of cards in it that intermittently start spitting out 15Khz. Out the monitor
outputs only apparently, supposedly moved to a "non-critical path", but who
knows really... Drives me nuts. )


Will Miho
NY Music & TV Audio Guy
Off the Morning Show! & sleepin' In... / Fox News
"The large print giveth and the small print taketh away..." Tom Waits

[George]

you know your getting old when you have to quit your jam session by 7 so
they can set up the bingo game
George

[Eric Toline]

Re: you know you're getting old when...

Group: rec.audio.pro Date: Thu, Nov 20, 2003, 11:47pm (EST+5) From:
(EggHd)
<< . . . you actually know how to do punch-ins manually and can splice
=A0tape >>
You can edit on a 350 transport without marking the tape.
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Ampex 350, 300, 440, Scully 280. Never had to use a marker.

Eric

[Dave Alvaro]

what's this "tape" thing you're talking about?
;-)

"Chris!" > wrote in message
news:zMbvb.101$Yt4.85@lakeread05...
> > . . . you actually know how to do punch-ins manually and can splice
> > tape.
>
> ... you actually know what the phrase "splice tape" means.
>
> (not to mention still knowing where your trusty EdiTall is stashed)
>
>
> --
> Chris White, Freelance Advertising Writer & Voice Overs*
> Email: Web: www.chriswhite.com
> Phone: 757-621-1348
> *Your opinion may vary
>
>

[Peter Larsen]

Dave Alvaro wrote:

> what's this "tape" thing you're talking about?
> ;-)

Back in the old days one had to buy ones harddisks in kinda a stringy
form and roll ones one. My father actually had a Bang & Olufsen device
that could do that. Later they made them of flat string, at the peak of
the technology some manufacturers even tried selling adhesive tape for
the purpose and it makes excellent flat disks if you leave it in the
"tape vault" for long enough, it was marketed as the best thing to use
if it was worth recording. Somehow that statement really sticks to mind.
This concept of sticks later brought on the development of memory
sticks.

Understanding storage technology is not difficult, it is an ongoing
process whereby larger and large amounts of information can be lost by
smaller and smaller mishaps.


Kind regards

Peter Larsen

--
************************************************** ***********
* My site is at: http://www.muyiovatki.dk *
************************************************** ***********

[Mike Fields]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> Dave Alvaro wrote:
>
> > what's this "tape" thing you're talking about?
> > ;-)
>

Like telling my kids they "sound like a broken record" ... then I have
to take them downstairs and show them what a record is !!

--
Mike "mikey" Fields
http://home.comcast.net/~mike.fields/
outgoing email scanned by Norton Antivirus ... is that good ?

Linux users brag on how long their system stays up,
Window users assume it's a temporary condition ...

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Understanding storage technology is not difficult, it is an ongoing
> process whereby larger and large amounts of information can be lost by
> smaller and smaller mishaps.

That one is going up on a few walls, I'll bet.

--
I'm really Mike Rivers )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Willie K.Yee, M.D.]

. . . your first piece of electronic equipment was a crystal radio -
you wound the coil yourself, and strung your own antenna out the back
window.

Willie K. Yee, M.D. http://users.bestweb.net/~wkyee
Developer of Problem Knowledge Couplers for Psychiatry http://www.pkc.com
Webmaster and Guitarist for the Big Blue Big Band http://www.bigbluebigband.org

[Hal Laurent]

"Willie K.Yee, M.D." > wrote in message
...
> . . . your first piece of electronic equipment was a crystal radio -
> you wound the coil yourself, and strung your own antenna out the back
> window.

But my crystal radio would only get one station. There was an AM broadcast
tower across the valley from my house, and it's signal came in so strong
that
it's all I could receive no matter how much I adjusted the tuning condenser.
:-)

Hal Laurent
Baltimore

[S O'Neill]

Peter Larsen wrote:

> Understanding storage technology is not difficult, it is an ongoing
> process whereby larger and large amounts of information can be lost by
> smaller and smaller mishaps.

Good one. That goes for CPU speed as well.

[Steve O'Neill]

Peter Larsen wrote:

> Understanding storage technology is not difficult, it is an ongoing
> process whereby larger and large amounts of information can be lost by
> smaller and smaller mishaps.

Good one. That goes for CPU clock speed as well.

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> But my crystal radio would only get one station. There was an AM broadcast
> tower across the valley from my house, and it's signal came in so strong
> that
> it's all I could receive no matter how much I adjusted the tuning condenser.
> :-)

You know you're getting old when the radio station that you once
received with your crystal set comes in loud and clear on your tooth
fillings.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[EggHd]

<< You know you're getting old when the radio station that you once
received with your crystal set comes in loud and clear on your tooth
fillings. >>

Funny!



---------------------------------------
"I know enough to know I don't know enough"

[Tony Pearce]

"Peter Larsen" > wrote in message
...
> Understanding storage technology is not difficult, it is an ongoing
> process whereby larger and large amounts of information can be lost by
> smaller and smaller mishaps.

Thankfully the quality of backup is now so high it is identical to the
original, and the cost of backup keeps getting lower and lower.
It is now possible to keep a large number of backup digital multitrack
recordings, for the cost of one Reel of analog tape.

I wish I had a dollar for every master tape that has been lost/destroyed or
gone missing over the years :-)

TonyP.

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> Thankfully the quality of backup is now so high it is identical to the
> original, and the cost of backup keeps getting lower and lower.
> It is now possible to keep a large number of backup digital multitrack
> recordings, for the cost of one Reel of analog tape.

The mishaps are in keeping all of those backups organized. When you
have the equivalent of a reel of 2" tape spread out over 20 CDs (which
of course include all of the outtakes that you would have just erased
and recorded over with the analog tape), if you misplace one of them,
you may have lost essential parts of a song, or a project.

The more backups you make, and the more different media you have, the
greater the responsibility for keeping track of what you have. Not
only do recording engineers need to be computer geeks today, but they
need to be librarians too.

> I wish I had a dollar for every master tape that has been lost/destroyed or
> gone missing over the years :-)

You'd be richer if you had a dollar for every piece of digital media
that was lost, destroyed, misplaced, mislabeled, or can no longer be
interfaced to the available computer.



--
I'm really Mike Rivers - )
However, until the spam goes away or Hell freezes over,
lots of IP addresses are blocked from this system. If
you e-mail me and it bounces, use your secret decoder ring
and reach me here: double-m-eleven-double-zero at yahoo

[Kendall]

Hey all-

I know this is way off topic, but there is such a wealth of knowlege here
that I figured I would ask this question anyway.
Tonight, I checked my e-mail, and found a SPAM message in my inbox. I'm in
the habit that if I don't know who the SPAM is from, and can't tell from the
subject line what they are hawking, I'll glance at the contents to see what
"brand" of SPAM it was. Now, not being entirely trusting, I usually glance
at the source code for the messages instead of just openining it in Outlook
Express, on the off chance that it is a virus or something. Well, I glanced
at this particular one, and noticed it was in HTML, and didn't have the
"signature" of a virus, but my eye was caught by something in the message.
It seems that there is a "message" hidden within the HTML code, that if
loaded into a browser the browser would just ignore, as it isn't valid HTML
Just for the heck of it, I copy-pasted the code into Word, and separated out
the "message", just to see what it had to say. It doesn't quite make sense,
or at least not in complete sentences. I will paste the code in here,
stripped of the HTML header, so that you can see it as I rec'd it, and
follow that with the "message". I still haven't actually "opened" the
e-mail, or even looked at the code in a browser, but it would appear that if
I did, it would look like an average "prescription" SPAM, which amongst the
code tries to get me to go to www dot medsquickusa dot biz
(I purposely altered that so it won't be an actual link for anybody, but
they could reconstruct it should they desire to.) Now this brings up an
interesting question- is "biz" a valid domain suffix? Or is the entire
address fictitious, just so they could send out this hidden "message"?

Here's the original HTML-

<xbody bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
<font face="Tahoma" color="#FFFFFF" size="1">0Q<i>6bt</i> B0I O
Gi<i>pEg</i>1 0g. cP O<i>Wi</i>XJ Sb.</font><br>
<table width="450" border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6"
bordercolor="#000000"><tr bgcolor="#0080ff"><td>
<div align="center"><font face="Impact" size="5"
color="#FFFFFF">Whol<hello>eSa<keep>le Inte<trying>rnet
Ph<larry>arm<the>acy!!!</font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><br>(<u>FD<How>A US<are>A app<we>rov<doing>ed
dr<today>ug<friend>s.</u>)</font></div></td></tr>
<tr bgcolor="#0000CC"><td height="128"><font face="Tahoma" size="3"
color="#FFFFFF"><center><b>Ge<Are>t you<we>r pers<now>onal
Me<having>dic<fun>ati<minor>ons on<are>lin<georgia>e a<peaches>nd
Sa<good>ve!</b><br>No pr<look>ior Pre<at>script<this>ion
requ<mister>ired!</center></font>
<div align="center"><table width="419" border="1" cellspacing="0"
cellpadding="0" bordercolor="#000000">
<tr bgcolor="#0080c0"><td><div align="center"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"
color="#FFFFFF"><b>Vi<be>codin, Xa<not>nax, Val<very>ium,
Pro<liberal>zac,<br>S<west>om<plants>a, Am<cars>bi<high>en,
Fi<knot>ori<picture>cet, Tr<lights>ama<off>dol, etc...</b></font>
<br><font face="Tahoma" size="4" color="#000000"><b><a target="_blank"
href="http://href=www.x01S.comhref=www.LuD.nethref=www.CLnb.org href=www.FreT
?href= www.i39W.comhref=www.lfDOX
..nethref=www.L8NC.orghref=www.JRygxE.biz">Click Here to visit our
Pharmacy!</a></font><br></div></td></tr></table>
<font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#FF0000"><b>Do<green>ct<stereo>or's
Co<florida>nsu<extreme>lta<advice>tion is<optional>
FR<index>EE!!!</b></font></div></td></tr></table></div>
<font face="tahoma" size="2"><br>============================<br>To
u<cargo>nsub<fish>scribe please
visit:<br>http://www.me<carry>dsqui<america>cku<love>sa.biz/a.html<br>======
======================<br></font>
<font face="Tahoma" color="#FFFFFF" size="1">IxNE7 6KZ 10 H <i>R3t</i> 91t7
Sx erU g<i>U0l</i>Y 2mgH t<i>nFt V Q</i>B5 gGWR.</font><br>
</xbody>
</html
lmlGwIh1e

And here is the "message that I got from it (and I don't believe I missed
anything, although I might have)-


<hello> <keep> <trying> <larry> <the> <How> <are> <we> <doing> <today>
<friend>
<Are> <we> <now> <having> <fun> <minor> <are> <georgia> <peaches> <good>
<look> <at> <this> <mister>
<be> <not> <very> <liberal> <west> <plants> <cars> <high> <knot>
<picture> <lights> <off>

<green> <stereo> <florida> <extreme> <advice> <optional>
<cargo> <fish> <carry> <america> <love>

So, I put this to the collective wisdom here; Just *what* have I been sent,
and can anyone surmise *why*? I look forward to your hypotheses. (That is
correct for plural "hypothesis", isn't it?) Thanks a bunch. And, if you
all do well with this one, I may offer another puzzle for you all to solve,
about a "hijacking screensaver".

--

Kendall

[Tracy Wintermute]

On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:40 GMT, "Kendall"
> wrote:


> Now this brings up an
>interesting question- is "biz" a valid domain suffix?

Yes.

====================
Tracy Wintermute

Rushcreek Ranch
====================

[dt king]

"Kendall" > wrote in message
link.net...

> <hello> <keep> <trying> <larry> <the> <How> <are> <we> <doing> <today>
> <friend>
> <Are> <we> <now> <having> <fun> <minor> <are> <georgia> <peaches> <good>
> <look> <at> <this> <mister>
> <be> <not> <very> <liberal> <west> <plants> <cars> <high> <knot>
> <picture> <lights> <off>
>
> <green> <stereo> <florida> <extreme> <advice> <optional>
> <cargo> <fish> <carry> <america> <love>

Spammers are mangling their messages with encoding and nonstandard html in
hopes of getting past spam filters.

I guess the theory is that if they can trick me into clicking on their
message, I'll suddenly feel like my penis is actually too small.

dtk
--
Your penis is too small

[Mikey]

The added words are there to try to throw off anti-spam bots and
technologies - my guess. And, yes, 'biz' is a legit extension (albeit
a new one), as is 'tv' and others.

Mikey
Nova Music Productions


"Kendall" > wrote in message . net>...
> Hey all-
>
> I know this is way off topic, but there is such a wealth of knowlege here
> that I figured I would ask this question anyway.
> Tonight, I checked my e-mail, and found a SPAM message in my inbox. I'm in
> the habit that if I don't know who the SPAM is from, and can't tell from the
> subject line what they are hawking, I'll glance at the contents to see what
> "brand" of SPAM it was. Now, not being entirely trusting, I usually glance
> at the source code for the messages instead of just openining it in Outlook
> Express, on the off chance that it is a virus or something. Well, I glanced
> at this particular one, and noticed it was in HTML, and didn't have the
> "signature" of a virus, but my eye was caught by something in the message.
> It seems that there is a "message" hidden within the HTML code, that if
> loaded into a browser the browser would just ignore, as it isn't valid HTML
> Just for the heck of it, I copy-pasted the code into Word, and separated out
> the "message", just to see what it had to say. It doesn't quite make sense,
> or at least not in complete sentences. I will paste the code in here,
> stripped of the HTML header, so that you can see it as I rec'd it, and
> follow that with the "message". I still haven't actually "opened" the
> e-mail, or even looked at the code in a browser, but it would appear that if
> I did, it would look like an average "prescription" SPAM, which amongst the
> code tries to get me to go to www dot medsquickusa dot biz
> (I purposely altered that so it won't be an actual link for anybody, but
> they could reconstruct it should they desire to.) Now this brings up an
> interesting question- is "biz" a valid domain suffix? Or is the entire
> address fictitious, just so they could send out this hidden "message"?
>
> Here's the original HTML-
>
> <xbody bgcolor="#FFFFFF">
> <font face="Tahoma" color="#FFFFFF" size="1">0Q<i>6bt</i> B0I O
> Gi<i>pEg</i>1 0g. cP O<i>Wi</i>XJ Sb.</font><br>
> <table width="450" border="2" cellspacing="0" cellpadding="6"
> bordercolor="#000000"><tr bgcolor="#0080ff"><td>
> <div align="center"><font face="Impact" size="5"
> color="#FFFFFF">Whol<hello>eSa<keep>le Inte<trying>rnet
> Ph<larry>arm<the>acy!!!</font><font face="Tahoma" size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><br>(<u>FD<How>A US<are>A app<we>rov<doing>ed
> dr<today>ug<friend>s.</u>)</font></div></td></tr>
> <tr bgcolor="#0000CC"><td height="128"><font face="Tahoma" size="3"
> color="#FFFFFF"><center><b>Ge<Are>t you<we>r pers<now>onal
> Me<having>dic<fun>ati<minor>ons on<are>lin<georgia>e a<peaches>nd
> Sa<good>ve!</b><br>No pr<look>ior Pre<at>script<this>ion
> requ<mister>ired!</center></font>
> <div align="center"><table width="419" border="1" cellspacing="0"
> cellpadding="0" bordercolor="#000000">
> <tr bgcolor="#0080c0"><td><div align="center"><font face="Tahoma" size="2"
> color="#FFFFFF"><b>Vi<be>codin, Xa<not>nax, Val<very>ium,
> Pro<liberal>zac,<br>S<west>om<plants>a, Am<cars>bi<high>en,
> Fi<knot>ori<picture>cet, Tr<lights>ama<off>dol, etc...</b></font>
> <br><font face="Tahoma" size="4" color="#000000"><b><a target="_blank"
> href="http://href=www.x01S.comhref=www.LuD.nethref=www.CLnb.org href=www.FreT
> ?href= www.i39W.comhref=www.lfDOX
> .nethref=www.L8NC.orghref=www.JRygxE.biz">Click Here to visit our
> Pharmacy!</a></font><br></div></td></tr></table>
> <font face="Tahoma" size="2" color="#FF0000"><b>Do<green>ct<stereo>or's
> Co<florida>nsu<extreme>lta<advice>tion is<optional>
> FR<index>EE!!!</b></font></div></td></tr></table></div>
> <font face="tahoma" size="2"><br>============================<br>To
> u<cargo>nsub<fish>scribe please
> visit:<br>http://www.me<carry>dsqui<america>cku<love>sa.biz/a.html<br>======
> ======================<br></font>
> <font face="Tahoma" color="#FFFFFF" size="1">IxNE7 6KZ 10 H <i>R3t</i> 91t7
> Sx erU g<i>U0l</i>Y 2mgH t<i>nFt V Q</i>B5 gGWR.</font><br>
> </xbody>
> </html
> lmlGwIh1e
>
> And here is the "message that I got from it (and I don't believe I missed
> anything, although I might have)-
>
>
> <hello> <keep> <trying> <larry> <the> <How> <are> <we> <doing> <today>
> <friend>
> <Are> <we> <now> <having> <fun> <minor> <are> <georgia> <peaches> <good>
> <look> <at> <this> <mister>
> <be> <not> <very> <liberal> <west> <plants> <cars> <high> <knot>
> <picture> <lights> <off>
>
> <green> <stereo> <florida> <extreme> <advice> <optional>
> <cargo> <fish> <carry> <america> <love>
>
> So, I put this to the collective wisdom here; Just *what* have I been sent,
> and can anyone surmise *why*? I look forward to your hypotheses. (That is
> correct for plural "hypothesis", isn't it?) Thanks a bunch. And, if you
> all do well with this one, I may offer another puzzle for you all to solve,
> about a "hijacking screensaver".

[georgeh]

Given that my email rdr is TEXT-ONLY, these spams appear as gibberish
to me, so at least they're wasting their advertising dollars sending them to me !!!


(Mikey) writes:

>The added words are there to try to throw off anti-spam bots and
>technologies - my guess. And, yes, 'biz' is a legit extension (albeit
>a new one), as is 'tv' and others.

>Mikey
>Nova Music Productions

[Ben Bradley]

In rec.audio.pro, Tracy Wintermute > wrote:

>On Mon, 01 Dec 2003 06:41:40 GMT, "Kendall"
> wrote:
>
>
>> Now this brings up an
>>interesting question- is "biz" a valid domain suffix?
>
>Yes.

.biz is one of several "new" ones that came available a few years
ago. It's so spammish that I think only spammers even use it. I forget
what all's available, but here's an example of another:

http://wusb.fm/

>====================
>Tracy Wintermute

>Rushcreek Ranch
>====================

-----
http://mindspring.com/~benbradley

[jt]

In article >, Kurt Albershardt
> wrote:

> Just saw a holiday TV ad for Target Stores--backed by some music I would
> never have associated with middle Amerika, Nina Hagen's "New Toy."

That's Lene Lovich, not Nina.

BTW, the song was written by Thomas Dolby.

[[email protected]]

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On 2003-11-19 said:
>"Randall Hyde" > wrote
>> Casinos in Laughlin, Nv., are playing the music you listened to
>as a teenager...
I doubt it. YEs I was listening to some Beatles etc. but I was also
listening to LEd Zep; Emerson Lake & Palmer, JEtrho tUll, YEs et al.

>Last year my daughter told me they had a themed "Oldies Day" at
>high school and we're listening to old music, etc. I said, "Oh,
>were people wearing bobbysocks and stuff"? and she said, "Dad, the
>80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
>generations Beatles. I cried.

THat would make you cry!!!
HOw disgusting!
THe beatles could play their instruments.

GUess I'm too old <g>.



Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

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On 2003-11-19 said:
>> >80's". I also remember her saying that NSYNC were like her
>> >generations Beatles. I cried.
>> THat would make you cry!!!
>> HOw disgusting!
>> THe beatles could play their instruments.
>At first I was really upset but then the more I thought about it, I
>realized she was right. Weren't the Beatles written off as a
>talentless pretty-boy band by a lot of people at first? (Not that I
>expect them to become another Beatles or anything).
True, but I stand by my statement. AT least they could play their
instruments and paid their dues. fOr anybody choosing to argue this
last point think Hamburg.

I guess I'm old anyway. I fit the profile in the life insurance ads,
I"ll soon be eligible for the "senior" discount and the goofballs with
their subwoofers in their SUVS drive me nuts in the neighborhood where
I live. Yah I'm old I guess.


rEgards,



Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
REplace anything before the @ symbol with elspider for real email

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On 2003-11-20 said:
I wrote:
>> THe beatles could play their instruments.
>> GUess I'm too old <g>.
>You don't think singers play their instruments?
Point!
GUess you're right there, but these young men at least wrote their
own songs, played their own instruments other than voices etc. THey
weren't a manufactured band in the modern sense of the world such as N
sync backstreet etc.
GUess I'm a musical snob. SHows you waht happens when you work with
all these low ball outfits with three so-called vocalists on the
bandstand who do nothing but sing and can't harmonize so the bass
player has to scream the flasetto parts to some of the disco dreck
they're playing and is flat most of the time.
Just ovderdosing on BS since they're already muzakking Xmas some
placeds I go and it was 80 degrees here in the big easy today.

regards,




Richard Webb
Electric Spider Productions
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