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[Eivind Naley]

Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?

Eivind Naley


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[Tommi]

"Eivind Naley" > wrote in message
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> Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
> This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
> Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?
>
> Eivind Naley


Your dealer probably said it wasn't good enough because he wants you to buy
something more expensive! DSP 3000 M-port seems like a good overall package,
with many functions for a reasonable price. I've used the dsp2000 c-port,
and it's quite decent, some of the people have said that it even sounds
better than digi 001.
IME the headphone output's quite noisy(on dsp2000 that is), but the preamps
are surprisingly decent compared to the unit's price. They're not that good,
but do their job. Converters were also okay with the dsp2000, and I think
ST-audio upgraded them for the dsp3000, so they shouldn't be a problem
either. Some people have reported problems using the dsp2000 with AMD
motherboards, so if you want more rock-solid operation then make sure you
have Intel-stuff. Overall, I think it'd be surpsingly good. Try it!

[Mondoslug1]

Tommi wrote:

>"Eivind Naley" > wrote in message
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>> Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
>> This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
>> Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?
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>> Eivind Naley
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>Your dealer probably said it wasn't good enough because he wants you to buy
>something more expensive! DSP 3000 M-port seems like a good overall package,
>with many functions for a reasonable price. I've used the dsp2000 c-port,
>and it's quite decent, some of the people have said that it even sounds
>better than digi 001.

I've had both and for me it's definitely not better sounding than the 001.


>IME the headphone output's quite noisy(on dsp2000 that is),

That is for sure. I found the whole thing noisy bit headphone out for sure.

but the preamps
>are surprisingly decent compared to the unit's price. They're not that good,
>but do their job. Converters were also okay with the dsp2000, and I think
>ST-audio upgraded them for the dsp3000, so they shouldn't be a problem
>either. Some people have reported problems using the dsp2000 with AMD
>motherboards, so if you want more rock-solid operation then make sure you
>have Intel-stuff. Overall, I think it'd be surpsingly good. Try it!

I still thought it was cool piece for the price but noisy.


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[aJax]

Mondoslug1 wrote:

> Tommi wrote:
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>>"Eivind Naley" > wrote in message
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>>>Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
>>>This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
>>>Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?
>>>
>>>Eivind Naley
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>>Your dealer probably said it wasn't good enough because he wants you to buy
>>something more expensive! DSP 3000 M-port seems like a good overall package,
>>with many functions for a reasonable price. I've used the dsp2000 c-port,
>>and it's quite decent, some of the people have said that it even sounds
>>better than digi 001.
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> I've had both and for me it's definitely not better sounding than the 001.
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>>IME the headphone output's quite noisy(on dsp2000 that is),
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> That is for sure. I found the whole thing noisy bit headphone out for sure.
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> but the preamps
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>>are surprisingly decent compared to the unit's price. They're not that good,
>>but do their job. Converters were also okay with the dsp2000, and I think
>>ST-audio upgraded them for the dsp3000, so they shouldn't be a problem
>>either. Some people have reported problems using the dsp2000 with AMD
>>motherboards, so if you want more rock-solid operation then make sure you
>>have Intel-stuff. Overall, I think it'd be surpsingly good. Try it!
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> I still thought it was cool piece for the price but noisy.
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I've also heard that most ST Audio gear is noisy. It pales in
comparrison to MOTU, 001 and Delta 1010. You get what you pay for.

[am]

> Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
> This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
> Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?

Your dealer is spot on.
Attracted by the low price and the many features, I was about to buy an
STAudio system (DSP 2000) until I started reading reviews.
They are cheap for a very good reason - they are noisy pieces of junk.
They prove the adage that you get what you pay for.
And their drivers suck.
Look elsewhere.

-m

[anthony.gosnell]

"am" > wrote in message
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> > Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
> > This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
> > Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?
>
> Your dealer is spot on.
> Attracted by the low price and the many features, I was about to buy an
> STAudio system (DSP 2000) until I started reading reviews.
> They are cheap for a very good reason - they are noisy pieces of junk.
> They prove the adage that you get what you pay for.
> And their drivers suck.
> Look elsewhere.

I have just recently bought a DSP2000.
In Wavelab the recording meters report the following.
Set to 16/44
Peak noise -80.77
Average noise -92.18
This is through the preamps in channel 1/2. In channel 1 there was no cable
but channel 2 was connected via unbalanced cable to my Yamaha GC2020BII
compressor limiter (with the gate closed). The gain setting was left since I
did my last vocal session.

Peak noise -80.77
Average noise -91.98
On channel 3 no cable attached

Peak noise -78.27
Average noise -90.14
On channel 4 connected to my Yamaha compressor.

In 24/44 and 24/96
The figures were
Peak noise -81.99
Average Noise -96.13
with no cable attached and about the same connected to my comp.

If I remember correctly STaudio advertised 94db in 16bit and 100db in 24
bit.

The card sounds good and installed easily. (I first installed in windows
Millenium which went off without a hitch. I then installed it under Win95
which had a minor hitch of a missing file.)
I went onto the website to look for updated drivers. Large sections of the
website were down but I was able to access their online forum. After
posting my problem on the forum someone emailed me a copy of the file I
needed within a few hours. There are a couple of hoontech tech support
people taking part in the forum and it is searchable so most questions
should have been answered already.
The downloads section of the website was up the next day.

In conclusion. The card is perfect for 16/44 production, has good tech
support and was only a couple of db's noisier than advertised. It is very
good value for money and is a lot cheaper than the cards which people
compare it to.

The DSP3000 is balanced, has more mic-pre's and has better advertised specs
if you want to find people who use it you should visit www.staudio.com and
click on Q&A in the service section.

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Anthony Gosnell

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[Tommi]

"am" > wrote in message
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> > Anyone here used ST Audio DSP 3000 M-port ?
> > This is what I need, but my dealer said that it wasn't good enough.
> > Anyone here knows about this product or any similier product ?
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> Your dealer is spot on.
> Attracted by the low price and the many features, I was about to buy an
> STAudio system (DSP 2000) until I started reading reviews.
> They are cheap for a very good reason - they are noisy pieces of junk.
> They prove the adage that you get what you pay for.
> And their drivers suck.
> Look elsewhere.


Oh come on, have you ever even heard them? Sure they're noisier than 001 and
the like, but if your budget is around 500$, tell me where can you find a
better value-for-money unit? The converters are about the same as m-audio
stuff, only a bit more noisier. You can easily get over 95 dB's worth of
dynamic range out of it.
There's only two facts about DSP 2000: the _headphone_ amplifier is very
noisy, and ST-Audio products don't like VIA chipsets as much as Intel.

[John Cafarella]

"anthony.gosnell" > wrote in message

Goodness, quite a few conflicting opinions here.

I agree pretty much with what Anthony has written, and his figures for
noise are similar to what I've measured. I used it solely at
44.1k/16bit.

I had a DSP-2000 C-port for about two years and did a lot of
reasonable quality work on it. I certainly wouldn't call it a noisy
unit at all, even though there are obviously quieter units around. I
can't comment on the headphone output as I rarely used it.

Stability was excellent under win95 on an ASUS PIII CUSLC2 and Nvidia
Athlon N8X mobo. The thing always just worked without me giving it a
second thought.

However... I've recently upgraded to an RME Multiface. I find that
on playback of material recorded on the C-Port, I've lost some
grittiness in the top end, and the low end is tighter; so the D/A on
the multiface is quite a bit better. Not really surprising, as
there's a LARGE difference in $$. I haven't recorded enough to comment
on the differences in A/D yet.

The think the two mic preamps are better than behringer/mackie, but
not as good as Symetrix 202/302, certainly not as good as an RNP.
Sorry this is all I can compare to. As others have mentioned they
don't have much gain at all.

It's a good entry level card, you can do lots of work with it and
learn a lot.

If you want to hear some recordings done with it, I have a track on
the
Fifth of RAP CD set at www.recaudiopro.net. See how far $20 really
goes. ...

John Cafarella
EOR Studio
Melbourne Australia

[Mondoslug1]

Anthony wrote:

>"Tommi" > wrote
>> There's only two facts about DSP 2000: the _headphone_ amplifier is very
>> noisy, and ST-Audio products don't like VIA chipsets as much as Intel.
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>The headphone amp on my DSP2000 is not at all noisy.

Hey Anthony, curious about something. When you turn the headphone level knob
all the way counter-clockwise.........is it totally silent?


The only problem I
>have with it is that my talkback mic isn't routed to it so I still do
>headphones through the desk.
>As far as VIA chipsets go the FAQ seemed to almost be the same as those for
>the Delta 1010's i.e. they don't like Promise RAID controller etc.
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