Re: best software for converting 48kHz to 44.1kHz

[Jukka Andersson]

Adobe Audition is told to be very accurate and user adjustable for speed or
quality.
But its editor/multitrack/etc. and not only converter...

..jukka

"Bob" > wrote in message news:bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost...
> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
> machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most audio
> programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it best.
>
> DAT: Technics sv-da10 (a home version of a Pro Panasonic SV-3700)
>
> Or maybe someone knows of a hardware hack that will allow me to select
> the recording frequency?
>
> real email address: d.b.r.o.w.n. at n.e.t.s.e.l.l dot c.o.m (remove all
> the periods)
>
> Cheers
>

[Arny Krueger]

"Bob" > wrote in message
news:bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost

> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my
> DAT machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most
> audio programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it
> best.

IME Adobe Audition's sample rate conversion is very hard to beat. Very
transparent.

This one does a very good job and the price is *right*.

http://shibatch.sourceforge.net/

[Marc Wielage]

On Sun, 16 Nov 2003 8:35:52 -0800, Bob wrote
(in message <bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost>):

> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
> machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz.
>--------------------------------snip----------------------------------<

Why go to DAT at all? Why not just go directly to the A/D inputs of your
computer's soundcard? Making this a three-step process -- once to get it on
DAT, twice to play it from DAT into your computer, and then to process the
48K file to turn it to 44.1 -- is a real waste of time, IMHO. If the end
result is to wind up on your computer, then I'd say, move your computer close
to your computer and record the music that way, at 44.1.

It drives me crazy that most of the DAT manufacturers of the 1980s and 1990s
refused to allow people to make 44.1 recordings from analog sources.
Eventually, Sony "saw the light" and their last few consumer DAT decks did
provide this capability. As far as I'm concerned, they never provided a good
reason as to why they didn't do this in the first place -- unless it was
simply to protect the pro DAT market. Every pro DAT deck I've ever seen
always offered analog-source recording at either 44.1 or 48K.

--MFW

[N2N Productions]

I use Wavelab for down sampling when needed. Although if my project is
ending up at 44100 I record at 24/44100 and there is no reason to down
sample.

Sam Langley
N2N Productions
www.N2NProductions.com


"Arny Krueger" > wrote in message
...
> "Bob" > wrote in message
> news:bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost
>
> > I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my
> > DAT machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> > software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most
> > audio programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it
> > best.
>
> IME Adobe Audition's sample rate conversion is very hard to beat. Very
> transparent.
>
> This one does a very good job and the price is *right*.
>
> http://shibatch.sourceforge.net/
>
>

[Terry King]

> IME Adobe Audition's sample rate conversion is very hard to beat. Very
> transparent.
Or, for $400 LESS, search on "R8BRAIN". Free. Good.
--
Regards, Terry King ...In The Woods In Vermont

The one who Dies With The Most Parts LOSES!! What do you need?

[Scott Dorsey]

In article <bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost>, Bob > wrote:
>I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
>machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
>software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most audio
>programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it best.
>
>DAT: Technics sv-da10 (a home version of a Pro Panasonic SV-3700)

Buy an external converter. You will be amazed at how much better an
external converter will sound compared with the horrible converters in
the SV-3700 machines.

>Or maybe someone knows of a hardware hack that will allow me to select
>the recording frequency?

There is a hack for the DA10 that lets you run a 44.1 clock, and ten years
ago you could probably find it freely on the net. These days I doubt too
many people remember that stuff, and it's generally a lot of work for much
too little gain. Get some decent converters.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Ric Oliva]

If the ultimate destination is a CD why don't you just get a CD burner that
will burn on the fly from your records? There are some posts here about
that.

> From: Bob >
> Organization: Netsell Communications
> Newsgroups: rec.audio.pro
> Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2003 11:35:52 -0500
> Subject: best software for converting 48kHz to 44.1kHz
>
> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
> machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most audio
> programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it best.
>
> DAT: Technics sv-da10 (a home version of a Pro Panasonic SV-3700)
>
> Or maybe someone knows of a hardware hack that will allow me to select
> the recording frequency?
>
> real email address: d.b.r.o.w.n. at n.e.t.s.e.l.l dot c.o.m (remove all
> the periods)
>
> Cheers
>

[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> It drives me crazy that most of the DAT manufacturers of the 1980s and 1990s
> refused to allow people to make 44.1 recordings from analog sources.

That wasn't the DAT manufacturers, my friend. It was the same people
who are trying to keep you from copying CDs on to your computer today.



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[Scott Dorsey]

In article <dc6ub.13232$f7.678806@localhost>, Bob > wrote:
>I assume that the a/d convertor (and electronic components) are better
>in my $1000 dat than my $200 sound blaster!

Probably not, if that DAT machine is an SV-3700 machine.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

[Samuel Groner]

> IME Adobe Audition's sample rate conversion is very hard to beat. Very
> transparent.

Is there a Mac-software that is nice as well?
Samuel

[Justin Ulysses Morse]

If you sell your DAT machine you will get enough money to buy a
soundcard that sounds a lot better than your DAT machine AND a new CD-R
drive for your computer. I can think of vanishingly few applications
where a DAT offers any kind of advantage over hard-disk recording and
CD burning, so this would be a wise move for you. The DAT format is
deader than dead, and your deck isn't getting any more valuable sitting
there. Get it up on eBay while you can still get something for it.

I see professional grade DAT machines selling for $300 or so, more for
the timecode models. You can probably expect $200 or so for yours I
think. That's enough to get a fairly decent new consumer soundcard
that will blow the pants off even the best standalone converters of
5-10 years ago. You could scrape together a few more dollars and get
something that's competitive with the best of them. I'd be looking at
the Lynx0NE or Lynx22, personally.

ulysses

In article <bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost>, Bob > wrote:

> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
> machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most audio
> programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it best.
>
> DAT: Technics sv-da10 (a home version of a Pro Panasonic SV-3700)
>
> Or maybe someone knows of a hardware hack that will allow me to select
> the recording frequency?
>
> real email address: d.b.r.o.w.n. at n.e.t.s.e.l.l dot c.o.m (remove all
> the periods)
>
> Cheers
>

[Richard Kuschel]

>
>I assume that the a/d convertor (and electronic components) are better
>in my $1000 dat than my $200 sound blaster!

Why make that assumption?

They are both pretty bad and sample rate conversion doesn't make it any better.

Some SRC's are good, but most I have heard aren't. Try them on drums.
Richard H. Kuschel
"I canna change the law of physics."-----Scotty

[Arny Krueger]

"Bob" > wrote in message
news:dc6ub.13232$f7.678806@localhost
> I assume that the a/d converter (and electronic components) are better
> in my $1000 dat than my $200 sound blaster!

I wouldn't bet on it. Depends very much on the age of each. Also, a sound
card is just a couple of converters and an interface chip on a card with
some analog buffers. The DAT is a much more complex thing.

[KikeG]

Bob > wrote in message news:<bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost>...
> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my DAT
> machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most audio
> programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it best.
>

There's a new, free, and very nice Windows audio player that can do
resampling, both "batch" and realtime. The resampling is performed
using SSRC engine, which produces very high quality, having nothing to
envy to Adobe Audition (former CoolEdit Pro) resampling. It also
includes high quality noiseshaping dithering from same SSRC, but
adjusted to reach max. possible quality. Via bundled plugins, it can
do other useful things (both batch and realtime) such as convolution,
encoding to various compressed formats, perceptual loudness
normalization, etc. It even has an ABX plugin for performing
double-blind tests. The internal processing engine works at 64-bit
floating point resolution.

The name is foobar2000, and it's available for free at
http://www.foobar2000.org

To download the most complete version, go to the download section, and
get the special version.

[Arny Krueger]

"KikeG" > wrote in message
om
> Bob > wrote in message
> news:<bJNtb.13082$f7.672804@localhost>...
>> I'm recording old vinyl to cd and the first step is to record to my
>> DAT machine. It only records analog signals at 48kHz. I'll need some
>> software on my pc which can convert it to 44.1KHz for the cd. Most
>> audio programs can do this, but I'm wondering which one might do it
>> best.

> There's a new, free, and very nice Windows audio player that can do
> resampling, both "batch" and realtime. The resampling is performed
> using SSRC engine, which produces very high quality, having nothing to
> envy to Adobe Audition (former CoolEdit Pro) resampling. It also
> includes high quality noiseshaping dithering from same SSRC, but
> adjusted to reach max. possible quality. Via bundled plugins, it can
> do other useful things (both batch and realtime) such as convolution,
> encoding to various compressed formats, perceptual loudness
> normalization, etc. It even has an ABX plugin for performing
> double-blind tests. The internal processing engine works at 64-bit
> floating point resolution.
>
> The name is foobar2000, and it's available for free at
> http://www.foobar2000.org
>
> To download the most complete version, go to the download section, and
> get the special version.

I just ran into this via a discussion in another group. Looks interesting.
It apparently includes an ABX Comparator (!!!) and an automatic
self-leveling feature. I've downloaded it, but I haven't had time to really
look at it.