Tascam MSR16S any oppinions?

[musurgio]

I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.
Thank you
Dimitrios

[Mike Rivers]

In article > @otenet.gr\ writes:

> I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
> know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
> the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.

I don't believe so. "The analog sound" is Ampex.




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[Rob Adelman]

Rick Hollett wrote:

> For me, the dbx is a bit of a turn off.

Hi Rick. The MSR16S has Dolby S, not dbx. It is a great sounding machine
in my opinion, but I am biased as I have a MSR24S.

-Rob

[EggHd]

<< I would like to
know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings. >>

It can give you the semi pro narrow format noise reduction added analog sound.




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[musurgio]

Thanks for the suggestions.
The machine uses Dolby S but without Dolby it sounds fantastic.
There is though the hiss element...
I tried to get rid of it after with Sonic Foundry's Noise reduction, which did
a good job but got myself in a situation where I could just use the dolby S
from the beginning which by the way sounds better than dehissing plugins.
I wonder, if I would record really hot kick, snare , bass and guitars maybe the
hiss would not show much up in digital transfering into daw for further
recording.
Dimitrios

Rick Hollett wrote:

> For me, the dbx is a bit of a turn off. Unusual harmonics a couple of 8ve's
> below the fundamental tone, especially with sustained monophonic sounds.
> Depends on the source material obviously. The better s/n ratio you can get
> without noise reducion, the better IMO. Hence the desireability of wider
> format tape 1" 8 tr, 2" 16 tr etc. We can only hope.
>
> I've come up with this idea. I currently have a 3 head, 1/2" 8 tr machine,
> but do hard disk recording. I plan to track drums through the 8 tr(dbx off)
> and feed the hard disk from the repro head. Since there's no sync issues,
> the drums can then be slipped back and presto, analog drums. If you wanted
> to go further, sync the 8 tr via smpte and do whatever elsa. The only prob
> may be the hiss buidup. The drums and bass are the main issues anyways.
> Still the 16 tr 1/2" is a bit thin, but it still may work
>
> cheers
>
> Rick Hollett
> Record Time Productions
> "musurgio" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
> > know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
> > the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.
> > Thank you
> > Dimitrios
> >

[musurgio]

Thanks for the suggestions.
The machine uses Dolby S but without Dolby it sounds fantastic.
There is though the hiss element...
I tried to get rid of it after with Sonic Foundry's Noise reduction, which did
a good job but got myself in a situation where I could just use the dolby S
from the beginning which by the way sounds better than dehissing plugins.
I wonder, if I would record really hot kick, snare , bass and guitars maybe the
hiss would not show much up in digital transfering into daw for further
recording.
Dimitrios

Rick Hollett wrote:

> For me, the dbx is a bit of a turn off. Unusual harmonics a couple of 8ve's
> below the fundamental tone, especially with sustained monophonic sounds.
> Depends on the source material obviously. The better s/n ratio you can get
> without noise reducion, the better IMO. Hence the desireability of wider
> format tape 1" 8 tr, 2" 16 tr etc. We can only hope.
>
> I've come up with this idea. I currently have a 3 head, 1/2" 8 tr machine,
> but do hard disk recording. I plan to track drums through the 8 tr(dbx off)
> and feed the hard disk from the repro head. Since there's no sync issues,
> the drums can then be slipped back and presto, analog drums. If you wanted
> to go further, sync the 8 tr via smpte and do whatever elsa. The only prob
> may be the hiss buidup. The drums and bass are the main issues anyways.
> Still the 16 tr 1/2" is a bit thin, but it still may work
>
> cheers
>
> Rick Hollett
> Record Time Productions
> "musurgio" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
> > know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
> > the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.
> > Thank you
> > Dimitrios
> >

[musurgio]

Thanks for the suggestions.
The machine uses Dolby S but without Dolby it sounds fantastic.
There is though the hiss element...
I tried to get rid of it after with Sonic Foundry's Noise reduction, which did
a good job but got myself in a situation where I could just use the dolby S
from the beginning which by the way sounds better than dehissing plugins.
I wonder, if I would record really hot kick, snare , bass and guitars maybe the
hiss would not show much up in digital transfering into daw for further
recording.
Dimitrios

Rick Hollett wrote:

> For me, the dbx is a bit of a turn off. Unusual harmonics a couple of 8ve's
> below the fundamental tone, especially with sustained monophonic sounds.
> Depends on the source material obviously. The better s/n ratio you can get
> without noise reducion, the better IMO. Hence the desireability of wider
> format tape 1" 8 tr, 2" 16 tr etc. We can only hope.
>
> I've come up with this idea. I currently have a 3 head, 1/2" 8 tr machine,
> but do hard disk recording. I plan to track drums through the 8 tr(dbx off)
> and feed the hard disk from the repro head. Since there's no sync issues,
> the drums can then be slipped back and presto, analog drums. If you wanted
> to go further, sync the 8 tr via smpte and do whatever elsa. The only prob
> may be the hiss buidup. The drums and bass are the main issues anyways.
> Still the 16 tr 1/2" is a bit thin, but it still may work
>
> cheers
>
> Rick Hollett
> Record Time Productions
> "musurgio" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
> > know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
> > the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.
> > Thank you
> > Dimitrios
> >

[musurgio]

Thanks for the suggestions.
The machine uses Dolby S but without Dolby it sounds fantastic.
There is though the hiss element...
I tried to get rid of it after with Sonic Foundry's Noise reduction, which did
a good job but got myself in a situation where I could just use the dolby S
from the beginning which by the way sounds better than dehissing plugins.
I wonder, if I would record really hot kick, snare , bass and guitars maybe the
hiss would not show much up in digital transfering into daw for further
recording.
Dimitrios

Rick Hollett wrote:

> For me, the dbx is a bit of a turn off. Unusual harmonics a couple of 8ve's
> below the fundamental tone, especially with sustained monophonic sounds.
> Depends on the source material obviously. The better s/n ratio you can get
> without noise reducion, the better IMO. Hence the desireability of wider
> format tape 1" 8 tr, 2" 16 tr etc. We can only hope.
>
> I've come up with this idea. I currently have a 3 head, 1/2" 8 tr machine,
> but do hard disk recording. I plan to track drums through the 8 tr(dbx off)
> and feed the hard disk from the repro head. Since there's no sync issues,
> the drums can then be slipped back and presto, analog drums. If you wanted
> to go further, sync the 8 tr via smpte and do whatever elsa. The only prob
> may be the hiss buidup. The drums and bass are the main issues anyways.
> Still the 16 tr 1/2" is a bit thin, but it still may work
>
> cheers
>
> Rick Hollett
> Record Time Productions
> "musurgio" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am about to obtain a Tascam MSR16S tape machine and I would like to
> > know that although it is small format recording medium if it fulfills
> > the needs for "the analog sound" to compliment digital recordings.
> > Thank you
> > Dimitrios
> >

[Scott Dorsey]

musurgio <"musurgio NoSPaM \" @otenet.gr\""> wrote:
>There is though the hiss element...
>I tried to get rid of it after with Sonic Foundry's Noise reduction, which did
>a good job but got myself in a situation where I could just use the dolby S
>from the beginning which by the way sounds better than dehissing plugins.
>I wonder, if I would record really hot kick, snare , bass and guitars maybe the
>hiss would not show much up in digital transfering into daw for further
>recording.

No, instead the kick will show up on the adjacent vocal tracks because of the
crosstalk.

What levels do you have the machine calibrated to?
--scott

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