Mics for Cheap!!!

[Wayne Stephens]

Just a quick note to let you know that Guitar Center has a bunch of
Oktava Mics on sale.
The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
guitar amps.
And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago)

No........... I don't work there, just thought you all would like to
know. Hell of a deal.
Cya
Wayne

[José Luis Amores]

Do you know that in Europe you cannot find a MC-012 for less of 300 euros =
300 dollars.?
A lot of people in USA talks about this is a good mic for the price, but in
Europe the price is x4?
I should like to buy an Oktava, but not at this money.

Jose.

"Wayne Stephens" > escribió en el mensaje
...
> Just a quick note to let you know that Guitar Center has a bunch of
> Oktava Mics on sale.
> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
> guitar amps.
> And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
> selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago)
>
> No........... I don't work there, just thought you all would like to
> know. Hell of a deal.
> Cya
> Wayne
>

[Wayne Stephens]

Seems odd to me that the distributor is in the UK and it cost more to
get it there. Just doesn't make much sense. Sorry about your luck. It is
a great mic. I know the ribbon (ML-52) has a list price of $799.00 us
dollars, but for $199.00 it's a steal

José Luis Amores wrote:
> Do you know that in Europe you cannot find a MC-012 for less of 300 euros =
> 300 dollars.?
> A lot of people in USA talks about this is a good mic for the price, but in
> Europe the price is x4?
> I should like to buy an Oktava, but not at this money.
>
> Jose.
>
> "Wayne Stephens" > escribió en el mensaje
> ...
>
>>Just a quick note to let you know that Guitar Center has a bunch of
>>Oktava Mics on sale.
>>The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
>>guitar amps.
>>And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
>>selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago)
>>
>>No........... I don't work there, just thought you all would like to
>>know. Hell of a deal.
>>Cya
>>Wayne
>>
>
>
>

[TarBabyTunes]

<< Guitar Center has a bunch of
Oktava Mics on sale.
The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
guitar amps.
And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago) >>

Are these deals available online or just in the store?
If they are available online, do you have a URL?

Thanks,

steveV

[EggHd]

<< Oktava Mics on sale.
The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
guitar amps. >>

I ran into Dave Royer recemtly and he told me the Oktava ribbon is a good mic
for that price. Just FYI.



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[George Gleason]

"Wayne Stephens" > wrote in message
...
> Seems odd to me that the distributor is in the UK and it cost more to
> get it there. Just doesn't make much sense. Sorry about your luck. It is
> a great mic. I know the ribbon (ML-52) has a list price of $799.00 us
> dollars, but for $199.00 it's a steal

am i correct to assume it is a figure 8 mic, as most other ribbons are?
george


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[Wayne Stephens]

Yes, one pattern. Figure 8

George Gleason wrote:
> "Wayne Stephens" > wrote in message
> ...
>
>>Seems odd to me that the distributor is in the UK and it cost more to
>>get it there. Just doesn't make much sense. Sorry about your luck. It is
>>a great mic. I know the ribbon (ML-52) has a list price of $799.00 us
>>dollars, but for $199.00 it's a steal
>
>
> am i correct to assume it is a figure 8 mic, as most other ribbons are?
> george
>
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[Wayne Stephens]

Go to GCPRO.COM. The online store link takes you to Musiciansfriend.com
and they do not have em'.
But I emailed the regional rep and he said you could order thru them.
See the reps links at GCPRO.COM
Or just call one of the stores. Same as mail order if there is not a
store near you.

TarBabyTunes wrote:
> << Guitar Center has a bunch of
> Oktava Mics on sale.
> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
> guitar amps.
> And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
> selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago) >>
>
> Are these deals available online or just in the store?
> If they are available online, do you have a URL?
>
> Thanks,
>
> steveV

[Brian]

I just called Guitar Center in Knoxville, and they told me the ML-52
was 299.99? Which guitar center did you go to?

[Blind Joni]

>
>I just called Guitar Center in Knoxville, and they told me the ML-52
>was 299.99? Which guitar center did you go to?
>

I'll check mine tonight.


John A. Chiara
SOS Recording Studio
Live Sound Inc.
Albany, NY
www.sosrecording.net
518-449-1637

[Rob Adelman]

Blind Joni wrote:
>>I just called Guitar Center in Knoxville, and they told me the ML-52
>>was 299.99? Which guitar center did you go to?


I called the Edina, MN store today and they were 199. Even had him put
one on hold. Then I did a little google research and they didn't fare
very well. I decided to pass.

-Rob

[Johnny Fork]

I saw this and went over to see what was up. All the Oktava's look like
the build quality is super hokey. Even at those discounts I couldn't
bring myself to get the ribbon mic (I'm saving for a Royer). I did
however get a couple of the MK-012's but after hearing them they are going
back tomorrow. Not so hotso.

The trip turned out to be worth it though... I picked up a used AT 4051
for $129.



> Just a quick note to let you know that Guitar Center has a bunch of
> Oktava Mics on sale.
> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
> guitar amps.
> And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
> selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago)
>
> No........... I don't work there, just thought you all would like to
> know. Hell of a deal.
> Cya
> Wayne

[Wayne Stephens]

Columbus, Oh

Blind Joni wrote:
>>I just called Guitar Center in Knoxville, and they told me the ML-52
>>was 299.99? Which guitar center did you go to?
>>
>
>
> I'll check mine tonight.
>
>
> John A. Chiara
> SOS Recording Studio
> Live Sound Inc.
> Albany, NY
> www.sosrecording.net
> 518-449-1637

[Bongolation]

(EggHd) writes:

<< Oktava Mics on sale.
The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
guitar amps. >>

> I ran into Dave Royer recemtly and he told me the Oktava
> ribbon is a good mic for that price. Just FYI.

I believe our own much beloved Scott Dorsey, who usually gives Oktavas more
than a fair shake, has given this particular microphone in stock form the
thumbs down. Otherwise I would have bought one.

And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?

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[EggHd]

<< I believe our own much beloved Scott Dorsey, who usually gives Oktavas more
than a fair shake, has given this particular microphone in stock form the
thumbs down. >>

I wasn't trying to start a contest, just thought it was interesting that the
mic is being talked about when not too long ago I had a discussion about it.





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[Ricky W. Hunt]

"Bongolation" > wrote in message
...
>
> And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?
>

That's about the only thing I ever see recommended for recording amps
nowadays. Granted, it's a Royer, but still a ribbon.

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, Wayne Stephens >
wrote:
>Just a quick note to let you know that Guitar Center has a bunch of
>Oktava Mics on sale.
>The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
>guitar amps.
>And the MC-012 is also great for acoustic guitars. I heard they where
>selling for $49.00 (I paid much more a few years ago)
>
>No........... I don't work there, just thought you all would like to
>know. Hell of a deal.
>Cya
>Wayne
>

The ML-52 may be the bomb, but thanks, I'll let it explode over at your
place. $49 for the MC012? Pretty much get what you pay for there.
Regards,

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[Ty Ford]

In Article <05gtb.202045$Fm2.191046@attbi_s04>, "Ricky W. Hunt"
> wrote:
>"Bongolation" > wrote in message
...
>>
>> And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?
>>
>
>That's about the only thing I ever see recommended for recording amps
>nowadays. Granted, it's a Royer, but still a ribbon.
>
>


Look farther. Dynamics and condensers on guitar amps are quite common.

Regards,

Ty


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[Mike Rivers]

In article > writes:

> And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?

A. Because it sounds good sometimes
B. Because the Beatles did




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[LeBaron & Alrich]

Mike Rivers wrote:

> writes:
>
> > And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?
>
> A. Because it sounds good sometimes
> B. Because the Beatles did

C. Because some folks use what their ears tell them works instead of
using what some magazine suggested in order to support a nifty ad
campaign in the rag.

I'm affordably entertained by the "it's a _such and such_ mic; no good
nor anything else" so-called concept. Stupid, but funny.

--
ha

[Les Cargill]

LeBaron & Alrich wrote:
>
> Mike Rivers wrote:
>
> > writes:
> >
> > > And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?
> >
> > A. Because it sounds good sometimes
> > B. Because the Beatles did
>
> C. Because some folks use what their ears tell them works instead of
> using what some magazine suggested in order to support a nifty ad
> campaign in the rag.
>
> I'm affordably entertained by the "it's a _such and such_ mic; no good
> nor anything else" so-called concept. Stupid, but funny.
>

Especially since (additional) tracks are now (often) cheap. The cost of
experiments is quite low.

> --
> ha


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[MandoBazaaro]

>And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to record amped guitar?
> B. Because the Beatles did

News to me...

[Scott Dorsey]

Bongolation > wrote:
>I only asked because I have been repeatedly told that ribbon microphones
>were too fragile (and usually too valuable) to use in high-SPL applications
>such as recording loud amplifiers.
>
>Not so?

Ribbon mikes generally don't like to see lots of low frequency air movement.
Kick drums will wreck them. Singers that blow into microphones will wreck
them. Dropping them will wreck them.

High frequency stuff, like an overdriven guitar amp, won't hurt them. The
stuff has to be well below the resonant point of the diaphragm to do damage.

The RCA BK-5 has long been a traditional standby on guitar amps. It can be
a little tricky to place if you like miking the back of cabinets, though.
--scott
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[Pat Farrell]

On 16 Nov 2003 00:46:43 +0100,
(Bongolation) wrote:
>I only asked because I have been repeatedly told that ribbon microphones
>were too fragile (and usually too valuable) to use in high-SPL applications
>such as recording loud amplifiers.
>
>Not so?

Read the AEA manual for their new ribbons.
http://www.wesdooley.com/pdf/r84_short_manual_ver1.pdf

Word is, no puffs of air. Loud is OK, puffs are death.
So pull back a couple of feet from your Marshall 4x12 stack.

At $1000 each for AEA R84 or a little more for a Royer,
I'm not sure that they fit "too valuable" compared to lots
of other mics that are used a lot.



Pat http://www.pfarrell.com/prc/

[Bob Smith]

EggHd wrote:
>
> << Oktava Mics on sale.
> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
> guitar amps. >>
>
> I ran into Dave Royer recemtly and he told me the Oktava ribbon is a good mic
> for that price. Just FYI.

Ok, I took the challenge. ML-52 is indeed available from GC for $200.00
US. I picked one up yesterday. It went through a day of usage. Probably
not the typical usage most have in mind. About a dozen bass tracks to
cut for as many songs. We used a Countryman 85 DI into a Great River MP4
preamp. The instrument output of the DI was sent to a Pignose on a stand
about one meter off the floor. The ML-52 was three inches from the front
of the Pignose and fed into an MSS-10. Gain on the Pig was kept down to
keep it quasi-clean. It wasn't very loud in the tracking room. About
right for low practice.

The bassist was pretty skeptical about the Pig + ML-52 combination, but
was inclined to humor me. the DI channel was delayed 1-3 mS from the Pig
channel to taste. Brought up the DI only and had a nice, solid, clean
bass sound. Brought up and mixed in the combo channel and that clean
bass got big, round and fat. Very big and fat. The solid bottom came
from the DI, harmonic fatness from the combo. Now, a good deal of the
sound of an instrument (like 90%) comes from the musician's fingers and
his axe, so the setup described isn't going to cure bad sounding bass
playing. But this treatment with a touch of EQ gave a sound that we
found useful for the day. The bassist decided we shouldn't change
anything and was even more pleased with the sound as the day wore on and
he heard it on the mains in better context instead of the just the cue
mix.

A big thankyou to Scott Dorsey who clued me into the usefulness of the
Pignose. It is recorded regularly and serves me well.

As always, YMMV, void where prohibited by law, yada yada yada. Just our
observations and impressions from a day's tracking.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
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[Ty Ford]

In Article >,
(Bongolation) wrote:
(Mike Rivers) writes:
>
>>> And why would someone use a ribbon microphone to
>>> record amped guitar?
>
>> A. Because it sounds good sometimes
>> B. Because the Beatles did
>
>I only asked because I have been repeatedly told that ribbon microphones
>were too fragile (and usually too valuable) to use in high-SPL applications
>such as recording loud amplifiers.
>
>Not so?

Think about it. You have a very thin piece of metal ribbon in a magnetic
field. Not so good with kick drums where you have a big poof of air with
every hit, but the wind from a guitar amp seldom has that sort of air moving
power unless you drop the guitar.

Regards,

Ty Ford

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[Ty Ford]

In Article >, Bob Smith
> wrote:
>EggHd wrote:
>>
>> << Oktava Mics on sale.
>> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
>> guitar amps. >>
>>
>> I ran into Dave Royer recemtly and he told me the Oktava ribbon is a good mic
>> for that price. Just FYI.
>
>Ok, I took the challenge. ML-52 is indeed available from GC for $200.00
>US. I picked one up yesterday. It went through a day of usage. Probably
>not the typical usage most have in mind. About a dozen bass tracks to
>cut for as many songs. We used a Countryman 85 DI into a Great River MP4
>preamp. The instrument output of the DI was sent to a Pignose on a stand
>about one meter off the floor. The ML-52 was three inches from the front
>of the Pignose and fed into an MSS-10. Gain on the Pig was kept down to
>keep it quasi-clean. It wasn't very loud in the tracking room. About
>right for low practice.
>
>The bassist was pretty skeptical about the Pig + ML-52 combination, but
>was inclined to humor me. the DI channel was delayed 1-3 mS from the Pig
>channel to taste. Brought up the DI only and had a nice, solid, clean
>bass sound. Brought up and mixed in the combo channel and that clean
>bass got big, round and fat. Very big and fat. The solid bottom came
>from the DI, harmonic fatness from the combo. Now, a good deal of the
>sound of an instrument (like 90%) comes from the musician's fingers and
>his axe, so the setup described isn't going to cure bad sounding bass
>playing. But this treatment with a touch of EQ gave a sound that we
>found useful for the day. The bassist decided we shouldn't change
>anything and was even more pleased with the sound as the day wore on and
>he heard it on the mains in better context instead of the just the cue
>mix.
>
>A big thankyou to Scott Dorsey who clued me into the usefulness of the
>Pignose. It is recorded regularly and serves me well.
>
>As always, YMMV, void where prohibited by law, yada yada yada. Just our
>observations and impressions from a day's tracking.
>
>bobs
>
>Bob Smith


Bob,

Thanks for the play by play. Very neat. Syas more about the pignose than it
does the Oktava. Was that an original pig or one of the later models?

Regards,

Ty

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[Bob Smith]

Ty Ford wrote:
>
> In Article >, Bob Smith
> > wrote:
> >EggHd wrote:
> >>
> >> << Oktava Mics on sale.
> >> The ribbon ML-52 I just bought for $199.00 IS THE BOMB for electric
> >> guitar amps. >>
> >>
> >> I ran into Dave Royer recemtly and he told me the Oktava ribbon is a good mic
> >> for that price. Just FYI.
> >
> >Ok, I took the challenge. ML-52 is indeed available from GC for $200.00
> >US. I picked one up yesterday. It went through a day of usage. Probably

> >A big thankyou to Scott Dorsey who clued me into the usefulness of the
> >Pignose. It is recorded regularly and serves me well.

> Bob,
>
> Thanks for the play by play. Very neat. Syas more about the pignose than it
> does the Oktava. Was that an original pig or one of the later models?
>
> Regards,
>
> Ty

Ty,

Late night writing isn't my clearest. The challenge to me was to find
the ML-52 for $200.00 at GC. The jury here is still out about the sound
of the ML-52. It was useful in the application as described. Talking
into it (thanks Harvey & Ty) sounded interesting. It seems to have
pretty good nulls on the sides. I will give it a try in some other
applications. It does reinforce the desire to hear some more ribbons
such as the AEA R84, Royer 121, Beyer M160 etc. Already have an M260dx
and M500, of which the latter is top choice for one vocalist here. The
Pignose is a recent production model. I have no idea how the original
sounds but the one I have is quite useful. Originally acquired as a
practise amp. I'm learning a little AG & EG, much to the dismay of the
household, at least for several years.

bobs

Bob Smith
BS Studios
we organize chaos
http://www.bsstudios.com

[Ty Ford]

In Article >, Bob Smith
> wrote:
>Ty,
>
> Late night writing isn't my clearest. The challenge to me was to find
>the ML-52 for $200.00 at GC. The jury here is still out about the sound
>of the ML-52. It was useful in the application as described. Talking
>into it (thanks Harvey & Ty) sounded interesting. It seems to have
>pretty good nulls on the sides. I will give it a try in some other
>applications. It does reinforce the desire to hear some more ribbons
>such as the AEA R84, Royer 121, Beyer M160 etc. Already have an M260dx
>and M500, of which the latter is top choice for one vocalist here. The
>Pignose is a recent production model. I have no idea how the original
>sounds but the one I have is quite useful. Originally acquired as a
>practise amp. I'm learning a little AG & EG, much to the dismay of the
>household, at least for several years.
>
>bobs

I have a 1972-4 Pig. I remember sticking the neck of my Telly out the car
window and playing during a Washington DC traffic backup back then. It can
get pretty nasty when you turn it up all the way.

Regards,

Ty
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[Buster Mudd]

Bob Smith > wrote in message >...
> Pignose is a recent production model. I have no idea how the original
> sounds but the one I have is quite useful. Originally acquired as a
> practise amp.

Is this the guitar Pignose or the Bass Pignose?

[Bob Smith]

Buster Mudd wrote:
>
> Bob Smith > wrote in message >...
> > Pignose is a recent production model. I have no idea how the original
> > sounds but the one I have is quite useful. Originally acquired as a
> > practise amp.
>
> Is this the guitar Pignose or the Bass Pignose?

The guitar one. I think the other is call a Hog, IIRC.

bobs

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